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So with November swiftly drawing to a close (sheesh that was fast) I decided to put together a list of the top players of November. Keep in mind, I'm going off of just November so yes there will be lots of good players missing. So without further ado....
1. Leenock I’m sure people will immediately get up in arms about this (especially if he loses tonight against MVP), But I decided to take the risk. Leenock not only fought his way through the open bracket to claim the title of MLG champion, but he did over names like MarineKing, MVP, LosirA, NesTea, MMA, NaNiwa, HuK, and a slew of others. Put that together with the fact he is also one win away from going to a GSL final when he was barely on the radar of contenders a month ago, and even the skeptics must agree, this has been Leenock’s month. Whether he can continue this impressive run remains to be seen.
2. MVP MVP didn’t win anything with a huge trophy this month (yet), however, IM’s ace did pick up some seriously impressive wins in WCG Korea as well as the Arena of Legends. MVP is right now the monster of Starcraft 2, someone who is guaranteed to make deep runs and always bring their A game, no matter the situation. Not to bad for someone with CTS. Yes he isn’t number 1 right now, but only by a close shave.
3. HerO HerO has really been turning it on in November. Not only did he finish the regular season of NASL undefeated (7-0), he also captured Liquid’s second Dreamhack trophy (HuK was still on Liquid when he won Dreamhack summer). HerO has looked calm and poised since transferring to Liquid, and has been able to turn that into real success something that Liquid right now desperately needs due to rather inconsistent result (or just downright slumps) from Jinro, TLO, HayprO, and Tyler. However, HerO luckily has been able to shake off all of that and shine.
4. NaNiwa Naniwa plays to win and it is abundantly clear with his results. 1st place in the MLG World Invitational, 2nd at Providence and a strong showing at Dreamhack have demonstrated that the Swedish Protoss is still as dangerous as he was at the beginning of 2011.
5. DongRaeGu DongRaeGu is a lot like a certain handsome protoss player from brood war. He’s always solid, great in team leagues, but he never seems to be able to turn that into an individual tournament gold. Once again, the Dong showcases what a talented player he is (3rd at Providence, Top 8 in Arena) and certainly proves that he is capable of taking matches off of anyone, but I feel that he has a good chance of slipping if he doesn’t live up to his high expectations.
6. Jjakji Another Player who seemingly came out of nowhere! Jjakji shocked everyone by blanking SlayerS’s Protoss pride Puzzle 3-0, since he really hadn’t been expected to do more than serve as cannon fodder for others during Code S. He’s now up against Oz though so he might not be able to pull the same trick twice. EDIT: Looks like I was wrong, Jjakji continues to destroy everyone's liquibets and beats Oz 3-2
7. Oz These next few are really hard, simply because after the top 5, I either haven’t seen enough of these players or just haven’t seen them hit the podium this month to get a good idea (This is why we need a proleague!!!!!) So I put Oz down as my 6th choice. Why? Because if anyone had asked you what the chances were of Oz of taking out NaDa, Taeja, MMA, to wind up in the semi finals of a GSL, you would have rightly laughed at them. Oz has looked incredibly strong these past few weeks, and has done so after a stint where people wondered if there were any Protoss players at all in Korea. Unfortunately a loss to Jjakji has ended his GSL run, but it was an impressive showing. This is why I put him ahead of……
8. NesTea Yeah, it’s not exactly fair to say that the Professor is doing bad, I mean, he smashed through a rough open bracket to take 12th at Providence (after the whole NaNiwa screen fiasco that I still don’t quite understand) as well as taking 2nd in the World Invitational, but the man who seemed at one point invincible has looMVPked rather mortal. He 0-2ed out of the round of 16 in the GSL and faltered against HayprO (who granted, had the tournament of his life, but is by no means on the level with MVP or others). Maybe he just had a bad couple of weeks, but either way, we can all agree he hasn’t been dominating the way he did back in May.
9. MMA MMA hasn’t won anything this month, but he hasn’t lost to anyone who is bad either. His only losses this month are to DRG, Leenock, and Oz, all of whom are powerful players. Sure he hasn’t won anything, but he has done well enough to secure a Code S spot next season and make Top 10 at Providence. A very strong performance for the “son of boxer”
10. Ret Ret is one of those players who simply is good all the time. He won’t win it all the time, but he will show up and not embarrass himself. November was a good month for Ret, he took home 3rd/4th at Dreamhack and finished a respectable 15th at MLG Providence. It’s a pity we probably won’t see much of Ret until next year, but hopefully he will have the time to tune up his game and make 2012 even more memorable.
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Nice. I like this list, but Marineking plays Terran not Protoss
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ret at #10?
hmm
i guess he's consistent but i'm surprised you picked him over sase/huk/idra all those people who are less consistent but with solid results
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I agree with this list. I feel like MVP should drop down a little bit maybe push him to #4 simply because he lost to some of the lower level players at MLG. But I understand your points. Great article!
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Ret at #10 and not Idra? HuK actually should be on there too.
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On November 28 2011 13:47 xlava wrote:Nice. I like this list, but Marineking plays Terran not Protoss
It puts him down as a protoss player because he played protoss in Brood War . Hopefully that does get changed.
On November 28 2011 13:49 Zooper31 wrote: Ret at #10 and not Idra? HuK actually should be on there too.
I was really tempted to put both of them on there, but neither did as well in November as Ret in overall consistency. Like I said, the last few were really close
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On November 28 2011 13:49 SiCkO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 13:47 xlava wrote:Nice. I like this list, but Marineking plays Terran not Protoss It puts him down as a protoss player because he played protoss in Brood War . Hopefully that does get changed. If you right click the TLPD-ize button, it lets you choose which Database to use.
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yeah decent list for only november performances.
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On November 28 2011 13:49 SiCkO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 13:47 xlava wrote:Nice. I like this list, but Marineking plays Terran not Protoss It puts him down as a protoss player because he played protoss in Brood War . Hopefully that does get changed.
Oh sh-
you got me I never knew that.
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You call DongRaeGu "the Dong"...Really? madness
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I don't understand why you couldn't just wait till November is over?
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As a shortcut you can just change the P to T. As far as power rank I can't figure how Ret is on the list.
but the man who seemed at one point invincible has loo MVPked
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On November 28 2011 13:47 xlava wrote:Nice. I like this list, but Marineking plays Terran not Protoss
And LosirA plays Zerg!
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On November 28 2011 13:52 Probe1 wrote:As a shortcut you can just change the P to T. + Show Spoiler +As far as power rank I can't figure how Ret is on the list.
Ah thanks for that! I think it's fixed now.
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Oz should easily be ahead of DRG.
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Pretty good.
Most power ranks use the results from the past - you seem to be going on a month to month basis up there.
I suppose I can see where you are coming from - sc2 is very quick to change. Tough choices to make!
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methinks huk should be on there not ret, or some other player too that i can't think of atm
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I think you should seperate foreign players and koreans in this.
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It's really hard to make an international list, since the Korean and international scenes do not usually "mix" together and players like Jjakji have not come to any foreign LANs (to my knowledge). There are some players on that list where I disagree with you, but I respect the effort that you put in and will keep my opinions to myself.
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I feel like Puma deserved that number 10 spot this time. He beat DRG in DH and IdrA,he made a great run and gave HerO a run for his money, Puma has been in resurgence lately, bringing back his old brilliance. Seems like the SlayerS house is doing him a lot of good. As much as I love Ret, i still think Puma deserved the spot.
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I think this list is pretty well done.
Just one thing though, Leenock didn't actually beat Nestea at MLG.
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On November 28 2011 13:51 SoulTakerz wrote:You call DongRaeGu "the Dong"...Really? madness
If he hadn't said it, i definitely would have. No BW elitism here, i solely play and follow SC2 nowadays, but there is only ONE "Dong".
And i suppose it's an alright list, though i don't think Jjakji deserves to be there.
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Puma needs to be on the list based upon Dreamhack, but I guess your list is quite a nice representation of whats happening.
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power ranking sc2 is pointless. hope you had fun because the list is absolutely irrelevant.
User was temp banned for this post.
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On November 28 2011 13:48 Traditional Fire wrote: I agree with this list. I feel like MVP should drop down a little bit maybe push him to #4 simply because he lost to some of the lower level players at MLG. But I understand your points. Great article!
He lost to MC and Leenock o.O. Then he smashed MC in extended series.
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On November 28 2011 14:05 TheTrueAmerican wrote: power ranking sc2 is pointless. hope you had fun because the list is absolutely irrelevant.
taking a shit on others work is pointless. I hope you had fun because your post is absolutely irrelevant.
Oh the Irony...
Well I have to agree others with Puma over Ret on this. Also If leenock does lose to MVP I will definately say you should have waiting until after november was over .
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Nice rankings! I think maybe ret is higher than I would put him. Idra and Huk both seem stronger than him. Besides that, I think i agree with everything else!
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On November 28 2011 13:56 Bagration wrote: It's really hard to make an international list, since the Korean and international scenes do not usually "mix" together and players like Jjakji have not come to any foreign LANs (to my knowledge). There are some players on that list where I disagree with you, but I respect the effort that you put in and will keep my opinions to myself. Yeah I'm not sure the international mixed with GSL works. Seeing Naniwa and Hero above players like MMA and Nestea just jars too much.
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On November 28 2011 13:48 Traditional Fire wrote: I agree with this list. I feel like MVP should drop down a little bit maybe push him to #4 simply because he lost to some of the lower level players at MLG. But I understand your points. Great article!
Its like you didn't even watch MLG.
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This is the reason you should leave Power Ranking to the people who analyze games on a professional level.
Ret, for one, does not deserve to be on this list above players like PuMa or Stephano.
MMA's results in November consisted of the Ro16 in GSL, and then quick losses from his seeded position at Providence.
It seems like you completely threw the ASUS ROG tournament as well as the IPL 4 i44 Qualifiers and Battle in Berlin out the window as far as tournament results go. SuperNoVa should also be on this list above a few of the players listed, with his high finishes in both Korean WCG and AoL2.
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poor haypro has been consistently performing alot better than jinro tlo and tyler for a long while why do you keep picking on him? T_T
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Your list could drastically change based off the last three days of November's GSL action. I think the semifinals of the GSL will probably decide the finals. If Leenock beats MVP, he'll probably take it regardless of whether he plays Jjakji or Oz. If MVP beats Leenock and he has to play Oz, he might lose. Otherwise, he'll just use his superior GomTvT skills to swipe up another title.
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On November 28 2011 14:17 VirgilSC2 wrote: This is the reason you should leave Power Ranking to the people who analyze games on a professional level.
Ret, for one, does not deserve to be on this list above players like PuMa or Stephano.
MMA's results in November consisted of the Ro16 in GSL, and then quick losses from his seeded position at Providence.
It seems like you completely threw the ASUS ROG tournament as well as the IPL 4 i44 Qualifiers and Battle in Berlin out the window as far as tournament results go. SuperNoVa should also be on this list above a few of the players listed, with his high finishes in both Korean WCG and AoL2.
This. Sorry, I do like seeing people's personal rankings and everything, but I'd definitely agree with Virgil...sort of.
Spoiler: I don't think Fionn analyzes the games at a professional level, but he knows hype and follows a lot of the competitive scene as far as I know. But his power ranking was pretty on the mark imo, even though a lot of them went down it sort of speaks of SC2's volatile nature currently.
Imo: - MVP not being number 1 isn't right. Leenock's currently in beast mode, no denying that, but what puts him above the consistency of MVP from one tournament win? - DRG's rating appears to be a bit of a stretch and largely based off MLG. In fact, the rating appears to be heavily based on MLG > GSL >>> DH and AOL / NASL is just another reference (ignoring, as said above, IPL qualifiers, ASUS, etc. Of course MLG was big, but there is heavy bias in the rankings thanks to the top 16. GSL is always big, but only at the semi finals stage.
Anyway, still an interesting read. Don't get me wrong. Wouldn't mind seeing this stuff in blogs though since everyone has their own rating it would be good to encourage people to show their own opinions of things en masse...without spamming...
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Nice to see some power ranks for sc2.
Generally they are released when the month is over... Since a very important match is being played tonight ><
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Calling naniwa, ret, and hero top 10 players in the world right now? I absolutely cannot agree with the list. Competitions like NASL, and the recent Dreamhack are not exactly filled with the absolute best players, not even close. Code A is tougher competition.
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On November 28 2011 13:51 SoulTakerz wrote:You call DongRaeGu "the Dong"...Really? madness
I demand a recount!
I mean, Je will always be "the DONG!"
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On November 28 2011 14:17 VirgilSC2 wrote: This is the reason you should leave Power Ranking to the people who analyze games on a professional level.
Ret, for one, does not deserve to be on this list above players like PuMa or Stephano.
MMA's results in November consisted of the Ro16 in GSL, and then quick losses from his seeded position at Providence.
It seems like you completely threw the ASUS ROG tournament as well as the IPL 4 i44 Qualifiers and Battle in Berlin out the window as far as tournament results go. SuperNoVa should also be on this list above a few of the players listed, with his high finishes in both Korean WCG and AoL2.
Supernova, Puma, and Stephano were all considered, as were IdrA and HuK. However, Both IdrA and Stephano failed to really last at the big tournaments this month (IdrA at MLG and Stephano at Dreamhack). HuK never really made a dent, and Supernova's stomping on in GSL code S kinda soured him to me. PuMa however, really was a strong contender, maybe it's that I'm biased a bit, but I really felt Ret put a solid enough month of play to put him above PuMa. I did however miss much of i44, due to watching MLG Providence. I tried to catch up as much as I could but unfortunately, I don't always have enough time.
On November 28 2011 14:38 StorrZerg wrote: Nice to see some power ranks for sc2.
Generally they are released when the month is over... Since a very important match is being played tonight ><
Agreed, I might adjust the rankings based on tonight, but if not, just realize that this is the end of November, so I will be sure to include it in December.
On November 28 2011 13:59 Spacekyod wrote:If he hadn't said it, i definitely would have. No BW elitism here, i solely play and follow SC2 nowadays, but there is only ONE "Dong". And i suppose it's an alright list, though i don't think Jjakji deserves to be there.
I kinda included that as a joke, haha. Yes I would never compare the two but I just couldn't resist.
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I'm not trying to hate on ret here, but who did he beat and what do you mean by solid performance? He made it to the ro4, which wasn't too unexpected considering the competition. He beat nerchio, but is nerchio anywhere close to your top 10 list here? At MLG providence he lost the only 2 series he played against Puma and Hero, difficult sure, but one of them isn't even in the top 10 and he made it further at Dreamhack.
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On November 28 2011 14:38 StorrZerg wrote: Nice to see some power ranks for sc2.
Generally they are released when the month is over... Since a very important match is being played tonight >< Lol, good point. Yeah, I think Leenock is a bit high, and WTF Ret over Idra/Puma/Huk/Stephano lol. MVP is easily my number one as well.
At least it was an entertaining read though, and Power Rankings are meant to be argued over, so thanks for the effort. I think you are weighing the MLG storylines a bit much though. For example, Naniwa's strong showing should get him in at the bottom of the list IMO. Getting slapped down first round GSL by one of FXO's lesser players and still number 4 is a bit iffy.
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Wow nice list, I usually dont agree with ones people make up, but I do with yours. Good job. I hope to see more in the future
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I think Oz deserves to be ahead of DRG, he is in the code s semifinal in his first appearance there, he deserves some love!
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I disagree with the DRG spot text, he's won quite a few golds for the individual leagues hes been in.
He hasn't even been in GSTL for a long time.
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Leenock and MVP good choices for the 1 and 2 slots. Both beasted the open bracket at Prov, with leenock taking out MVP pretty decisively. As much as I hate to see him win, MVP is always solid. I'd put Nani 3rd after he took out MVP and Nestea in the global invitational. Jjakji and Oz both pretty good, jjakji is bringing mech back from the one game i saw. I'd put em 4th and 5th. Never liked the guy but Huk is my 6th. MMA, DRG and Nestea would take 7, 8, and 9 respectively from previous play, but nothing mentionable from this month. I'll give Hero 10 for taking out Puma and winninng Dreamhack, those brackets were stacked.
Stephano is major sick, but he seems to have fallen off recently. Idra is rediculously good, but hes getting tilted again. When his minds right i would put him up in the 6-8 region.
My Powerrank: 1. Leenock 2. MVP 3. Naniwa 4. Jjakji 5. Oz 6. Huk 7. MMA 8. DRG 9. Nestea 10. Hero
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On November 28 2011 14:17 VirgilSC2 wrote: This is the reason you should leave Power Ranking to the people who analyze games on a professional level.
Ret, for one, does not deserve to be on this list above players like PuMa or Stephano.
MMA's results in November consisted of the Ro16 in GSL, and then quick losses from his seeded position at Providence.
It seems like you completely threw the ASUS ROG tournament as well as the IPL 4 i44 Qualifiers and Battle in Berlin out the window as far as tournament results go. SuperNoVa should also be on this list above a few of the players listed, with his high finishes in both Korean WCG and AoL2.
I don't get this, you criticize him for his choice on whos in, and then mention stephano who has done absolutely nothing in november, he lost to goody in battle in berlin, he didn't make it out of his group in dreamhack, and the only difficult person he even had to play in the uk qualifier was sase. Ugh ppl. Yeah he had a great october, but he hasn't really done anything this month in terms of success that would warrant him in top 10.
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Since when is WCG not considered as huge tourney? it is probably more difficult than providence in competition
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Ret Hwaiting! Glad to see his name up there as he is one of my favorite players and people rarely recognise how good he is!
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This rating is so random.
For instance if you only consider november, I really can't see why Nestea would be in top 10. You just gave him a spot because you like him.
But I guess you clearly indicated you weren't serious when you placed Ret in the top 10.
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honestly i feel jjakji doesn't deserve to be there. his success is just not enough to be put on to the power ranks. i'm sure other foreigners winning unknown tournaments would deserve that spot better.
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leenock > naniwa > hero >...
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even though I plays terran, like zergs and consider protoss as skilless, I would like to say that Naniwa's performance is much better than Hero.
smelt some liquid bias.
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I don't understand this ranking at all, is it based on tournament results ? Because many of them did not win anything in november...
Is it based on how good you think they are at the moment ? because some of them did have a terrible month in november.
in both cases, if you take into account the end of october tournament results, and what happend in november you have for example:
1. Stephano who won major tournaments in october, (IPL, ESWC), also won agaisnt Tails in the Finals of IPL uk qualifiers (10 000$), so yes he did not go to MLG, he was to busy winning in the uk. @DH yes, he lost to sheth and Naniwa, who both are currently playing so well.
2. Puma : DH finalists, took out so many good players Genius, DRG, only to narrowly lost in the finals to hero. His mlg run was quite good also : taking out Losira and bomber
rank 6 to 10 : seems totally off, and bit random...
These next few are really hard simply because after the top 5, I either haven’t seen enough of these players or just haven’t seen them hit the podium this month to get a good idea "
we agree on that.
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Leenock can't be doubted anymore.
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On November 28 2011 22:37 KevinIX wrote: Leenock can't be doubted anymore.
Based on a good run? You're right! Stephano must have been #1 in the world for the week between IPL3 and the MLG after.
Don't get me wrong, Leenock fan here, but MVP has not had one bad placing in the last few months. Leenock's just on a hot streak, so if he's "undoubtably" #1, then this isn't power rank november, but power rank November Week 3-4 or something?
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I think Leenock is justified at first. He won MLG, and beat out a lot of great players to make it.
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I like your top 4, but I'm with the others who are puzzled by throwing Ret up there, rather than IdrA or HuK... and Puma should definitely be in front of those three anyway for this month! Puma's run at DH was pretty noteworthy imo.
Also, I would put Nestea below some of the others (just for this month).
Here's mine:
1- Leenock 2- MVP 3- Hero 4- Naniwa 5/6- Oz and Jjakji (or reversed- no spoilers- based on who won last night ^^) 7- DRG (not "the Dong" though... that's Jaedong from BW >.<) 8- Nestea 9- MMA 10- Puma
::shrugs::
I like your write-ups though Nice job overall
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I dont get it, why people criticize OP of making his own opinion thread, even though I do not agree with all of his ranking, however no one seem to get it, you guys say huk stephano and co have to be in the ranking, however what did they do in NOVEMBER, Stephano lose left and right in battle of berlin, dreamhack group. This is a Power rank for 1 month. Huk knocked out of code S ro16, lose MLG where his seed guarantee him a top 12, dream hack....?? maybe idra for his ASUS tournament Puma for the Dream Hack 2nd place Nestea dont make it this month in my opinion, I do not doubt MVP for top 2 he did so well in AoL2 and WCG korea, GSL ro4 and impressive run through open bracket in MLG just to lose to Leenock.
Edit here is my rank,
1. Leenock 2. MVP 3. Hero 4. Naniwa 5.Jjakji 6. Oz 7. DongRaegu 8.Puma 9.MMA 10-15.Idra/ Ret/ Nerchio/ Nestea/ Sc/ MC/ Huk?
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Obviously every power ranking is opinionated, it's just how much more opinionated than other ><. Leenock has never beaten NesTea IIRC...ever. If it's just for November though I can sort of justify Leenock over MVP. I feel that given his performance in MLG and the international championship, NaNiWa should be ranked above HerO despite his DH win. Although if this is for November only NesTea is kinda the odd man out, he got defeated in the GSL, MLG international, and providence so...what's he doing in the power rank >.>
MMA similarly hasn't done all that much, I could see him maybe? at #10, but regardless I really believe PuMa should be in there, he had great run at both Providence and Dreamhack while Ret got a 3rd place finish.
And Oz>DRG, I think this would be tons easier if you separated foreign/korean though
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PuMa:
- Came 2nd in Dreamhack. Beat DRG in Quarters who is in your top 10 (quite convincingly too). - Finished 6-1 in NASL only dropping 4 maps. - Got knocked out of MLG Providence late in the tournament by IdrA, however, the game before he got knocked out he 2-0'd Ret (your 10th place).
Cmon... you must have just forgot him!
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Stefano? I think international and GSL/GSTL/Special Cups results should be separate, but not a bad list overall.
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Just as a suggestion, normally Power Rank articles involve more than just a summary of accomplishments - this is why it's called a POWER rank and why it's not an ELO rank or a GSL rank or any "objective" statistical rank. It's more like a way to express the sort of "gut feeling" ranking of players by taking into account how convincing and impressive their play is and how "feared" they are by their opponents.
This is what you need to express in the article to justify the "misranking" of players that are either higher or lower than their results show for. This is why PR's are fun to both write and read in the first place. This article, on the other hand, really isn't much of a Power Rank at all.
What you've done is pretty much listed their accomplishments and then ranked them based on your evaluation of what they've done. I would also put HerO in top 5 PR, but it's for the skill level he displays during games which is beyond what any other player has shown so far - but based on his accomplishments alone (pretty much DH win and nothing else) he wouldn't even make it to CNBC.
Also it is unforgivable to compare anyone except HerO to Bisu.
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Decent list, but there should be no Ret in that list.
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How it Works:
Player wins big tournament
=>
TL considers player to be best starcraft player until next tournament.
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While I don't really agree with the list, people need to understand this is a PowerRank for November and November only, so players like Stephano, Idra and Huk have absolutely nothing to do in a ranking seeing as none of them have done something top10 worthy the last 30 days.
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On November 28 2011 15:45 Ace.Xile wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 14:17 VirgilSC2 wrote: This is the reason you should leave Power Ranking to the people who analyze games on a professional level.
Ret, for one, does not deserve to be on this list above players like PuMa or Stephano.
MMA's results in November consisted of the Ro16 in GSL, and then quick losses from his seeded position at Providence.
It seems like you completely threw the ASUS ROG tournament as well as the IPL 4 i44 Qualifiers and Battle in Berlin out the window as far as tournament results go. SuperNoVa should also be on this list above a few of the players listed, with his high finishes in both Korean WCG and AoL2. I don't get this, you criticize him for his choice on whos in, and then mention stephano who has done absolutely nothing in november, he lost to goody in battle in berlin, he didn't make it out of his group in dreamhack, and the only difficult person he even had to play in the uk qualifier was sase. Ugh ppl. Yeah he had a great october, but he hasn't really done anything this month in terms of success that would warrant him in top 10.
So you are telling me that he can win a tournament and still do "nothing" while other people on that list have done nothing (by the normal standards of doing nothing) and are still allowed to be there?
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On November 28 2011 23:34 shockaslim wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 15:45 Ace.Xile wrote:On November 28 2011 14:17 VirgilSC2 wrote: This is the reason you should leave Power Ranking to the people who analyze games on a professional level.
Ret, for one, does not deserve to be on this list above players like PuMa or Stephano.
MMA's results in November consisted of the Ro16 in GSL, and then quick losses from his seeded position at Providence.
It seems like you completely threw the ASUS ROG tournament as well as the IPL 4 i44 Qualifiers and Battle in Berlin out the window as far as tournament results go. SuperNoVa should also be on this list above a few of the players listed, with his high finishes in both Korean WCG and AoL2. I don't get this, you criticize him for his choice on whos in, and then mention stephano who has done absolutely nothing in november, he lost to goody in battle in berlin, he didn't make it out of his group in dreamhack, and the only difficult person he even had to play in the uk qualifier was sase. Ugh ppl. Yeah he had a great october, but he hasn't really done anything this month in terms of success that would warrant him in top 10. So you are telling me that he can win a tournament and still do "nothing" while other people on that list have done nothing (by the normal standards of doing nothing) and are still allowed to be there?
What did Stephano do in November? How far did he get in any tournament? I'm pretty sure he got knocked out super-early in DreamHack, and he didn't even go to MLG or play in GSL. Isn't that everything? Errr... what's left, NASL? The players in these top ten spots at least made good (or great) runs in top SC2 tournaments of this month. That's the point of the monthly power ranking >.>
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On November 29 2011 00:00 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 23:34 shockaslim wrote:On November 28 2011 15:45 Ace.Xile wrote:On November 28 2011 14:17 VirgilSC2 wrote: This is the reason you should leave Power Ranking to the people who analyze games on a professional level.
Ret, for one, does not deserve to be on this list above players like PuMa or Stephano.
MMA's results in November consisted of the Ro16 in GSL, and then quick losses from his seeded position at Providence.
It seems like you completely threw the ASUS ROG tournament as well as the IPL 4 i44 Qualifiers and Battle in Berlin out the window as far as tournament results go. SuperNoVa should also be on this list above a few of the players listed, with his high finishes in both Korean WCG and AoL2. I don't get this, you criticize him for his choice on whos in, and then mention stephano who has done absolutely nothing in november, he lost to goody in battle in berlin, he didn't make it out of his group in dreamhack, and the only difficult person he even had to play in the uk qualifier was sase. Ugh ppl. Yeah he had a great october, but he hasn't really done anything this month in terms of success that would warrant him in top 10. So you are telling me that he can win a tournament and still do "nothing" while other people on that list have done nothing (by the normal standards of doing nothing) and are still allowed to be there? What did Stephano do in November? How far did he get in any tournament? I'm pretty sure he got knocked out super-early in DreamHack, and he didn't even go to MLG or play in GSL. Isn't that everything? Errr... what's left, NASL? The players in these top ten spots at least made good (or great) runs in top SC2 tournaments of this month. That's the point of the monthly power ranking >.>
There was that fairly significant UK LAN (also related to IPL in some way) that Stephano won. Ryung, Demuslim, Grubby etc played in it, it ran at the same time as MLG.
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On November 29 2011 00:07 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2011 00:00 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On November 28 2011 23:34 shockaslim wrote:On November 28 2011 15:45 Ace.Xile wrote:On November 28 2011 14:17 VirgilSC2 wrote: This is the reason you should leave Power Ranking to the people who analyze games on a professional level.
Ret, for one, does not deserve to be on this list above players like PuMa or Stephano.
MMA's results in November consisted of the Ro16 in GSL, and then quick losses from his seeded position at Providence.
It seems like you completely threw the ASUS ROG tournament as well as the IPL 4 i44 Qualifiers and Battle in Berlin out the window as far as tournament results go. SuperNoVa should also be on this list above a few of the players listed, with his high finishes in both Korean WCG and AoL2. I don't get this, you criticize him for his choice on whos in, and then mention stephano who has done absolutely nothing in november, he lost to goody in battle in berlin, he didn't make it out of his group in dreamhack, and the only difficult person he even had to play in the uk qualifier was sase. Ugh ppl. Yeah he had a great october, but he hasn't really done anything this month in terms of success that would warrant him in top 10. So you are telling me that he can win a tournament and still do "nothing" while other people on that list have done nothing (by the normal standards of doing nothing) and are still allowed to be there? What did Stephano do in November? How far did he get in any tournament? I'm pretty sure he got knocked out super-early in DreamHack, and he didn't even go to MLG or play in GSL. Isn't that everything? Errr... what's left, NASL? The players in these top ten spots at least made good (or great) runs in top SC2 tournaments of this month. That's the point of the monthly power ranking >.> There was that fairly significant UK LAN (also related to IPL in some way) that Stephano won. Ryung, Demuslim, Grubby etc played in it, it ran at the same time as MLG.
Okay cool! Now, the question is whether or not winning that LAN is more important than doing well in the other tournaments previously mentioned. Personally, I hadn't heard any hype about the UK LAN, and of the three players you mentioned, Ryung is the only one who makes me salivate (especially when you also look at the lists of high-level pro players at MLG, GSL, and DH). It was off my radar, but probably because I was at MLG and I'm not a European. While I can't deny that Stephano is a fantastic player, that single November accomplishment isn't enough (in my opinion) to put him in the top ten. It may be for others.
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So you are telling me that he can win a tournament and still do "nothing" while other people on that list have done nothing (by the normal standards of doing nothing) and are still allowed to be there?
it seems, that if you are a korean living in korea, and doing nothing, you are still having a much better month than a korean abroad doing well, or a foreigner winning some tourny.
And even if you are a korean going to foreign tourny and losing badly, you are still doing greater than those who got deep in such tourny..
While I don't really agree with the list, people need to understand this is a PowerRank for November and November only, so players like Stephano, Idra and Huk have absolutely nothing to do in a ranking seeing as none of them have done something top10 worthy the last 30 days.
Stephano : IPL 4 qualifier winner Idra Top 8 MLG huk Top 5 MLG
what about the ones from the list ? what did you they do, deserving a spot there ?
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3 questions:
Why is Naniwa so high on this list?
Why is Ret there?
Where is HuK ?
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the lack of taeja, coca, curious, huk and stephano is a little scary. Hero is wayyyyy too highly ranked (love him though <3 <3) so is Ret, MMA and (gasp) Nestea
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On November 29 2011 00:15 Zorkmid wrote: 3 questions:
Why is Naniwa so high on this list?
Why is Ret there?
Where is HuK ?
i wanted to question Naniwa too but beating nestea twice and only losing to leenock and DRG is pretty beast mode if you asked me. I would flip flop him and DRG but thats probably my DRG fan bias.
I agree with your other 2 questions
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if u want to make a powerrank for 1 month you should just take top 10 gsl.
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this power rank is terrible gsl is not weighted enough
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Despite that Leenock will be playing in GSL finals, what MVP done today was..... FREAKING EPIC!!!
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Personally, I hadn't heard any hype about the UK LAN, and of the three players you mentioned, Ryung is the only one who makes me salivate (
here was the rosters, of course it was in the shadow of MLG, so they didn't get the spotlight they deserved, it was nevertheless the biggest Esport event organized in the UK
Teamredbyte Italy - Mauritius "Stareagle" Carioti Dignitas - Samayan "BlinG" Kay Dignitas - Jesper "Bishu" Johansson Team Grubby - Manuel “Grubby” Schenkhuizen mousesports - Marcus "ThorZaIN" Eklöf mousesports - Dennis "HasuObs" Schneider Tt Esports - Aleksey “WhiteRa” Krupnyk Quantic Gaming - Kim “SaSe” Hammar Millenium - Ilyes “Stephano” Satouri Millenium - Benoît “Adelscott” Strypsteen Evil Geniuses - Benjamin “DeMusliM” Baker infused - Nathan “Lau” Lau Team Alternate - Jonathan “DarKFoRcE” Belke compLexity - Shijie “DreaM” Zhu (Qualifier 1) SlayerS - Kim Dong Won “Ryung” MvP - Kim Won Hyung “TAiLS”
MLG is a pro american tourny where Europeans cannot fairly compete and to go through the OpenBracket a crazy/exhausting/unfair experience, props to those who got.through. (now mostly koreans... so...)
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Your top 5 is solid. No arguments here.
November has truly been the month of Leenock.
It's also been the worst month of Nestea that ive ever seen.
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On November 29 2011 00:15 Zorkmid wrote: 3 questions:
Why is Naniwa so high on this list?
Why is Ret there?
Where is HuK ?
Can't speak about Ret and Huk but Naniwa deserves to be here, hell I'd say he deserves to be second.
Strong showing at MLG Providence (2nd) and Dreamhack and champion of the MLG Global Invitational all in the same month. He's been on a tear lately.
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I generally agree with the ranking besides ret and naniwa. Hell, ret doesn't belong in the top 30, as much as I hate to say it. He is consistently mediocre compared to other pros. Does that sound like #10 in the world to you? Naniwa is 0-4 in code A and should be 9th or 10th in this list at best (which is generous, but considering how good he looks when he's on the ball is arguably appropriate). Swapping naniwa and nestea and replacing ret with supernova would make this ranking closer to respectable. Leenock at #1 is a stretch but can be justified, as he's on a tear recently.
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On November 28 2011 23:06 Talin wrote:Just as a suggestion, normally Power Rank articles involve more than just a summary of accomplishments - this is why it's called a POWER rank and why it's not an ELO rank or a GSL rank or any "objective" statistical rank. It's more like a way to express the sort of "gut feeling" ranking of players by taking into account how convincing and impressive their play is and how "feared" they are by their opponents. This is what you need to express in the article to justify the "misranking" of players that are either higher or lower than their results show for. This is why PR's are fun to both write and read in the first place. This article, on the other hand, really isn't much of a Power Rank at all. What you've done is pretty much listed their accomplishments and then ranked them based on your evaluation of what they've done. I would also put HerO in top 5 PR, but it's for the skill level he displays during games which is beyond what any other player has shown so far - but based on his accomplishments alone (pretty much DH win and nothing else) he wouldn't even make it to CNBC. Also it is unforgivable to compare anyone except HerO to Bisu.
Please dun compare HerO to Bisu.It's an insult no offense to HerO.He's is a good player whose skill level is increasing at a jaw-dropping rate but his accomplishment is only DH win .HerO still has a long way to go.
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On November 29 2011 00:23 Mackguy wrote:Show nested quote + Personally, I hadn't heard any hype about the UK LAN, and of the three players you mentioned, Ryung is the only one who makes me salivate ( here was the rosters, of course it was in the shadow of MLG, so they didn't get the spotlight they deserved, it was nevertheless the biggest Esport event organized in the UK Teamredbyte Italy - Mauritius "Stareagle" Carioti Dignitas - Samayan "BlinG" Kay Dignitas - Jesper "Bishu" Johansson Team Grubby - Manuel “Grubby” Schenkhuizen mousesports - Marcus "ThorZaIN" Eklöf mousesports - Dennis "HasuObs" Schneider Tt Esports - Aleksey “WhiteRa” Krupnyk Quantic Gaming - Kim “SaSe” Hammar Millenium - Ilyes “Stephano” Satouri Millenium - Benoît “Adelscott” Strypsteen Evil Geniuses - Benjamin “DeMusliM” Baker infused - Nathan “Lau” Lau Team Alternate - Jonathan “DarKFoRcE” Belke compLexity - Shijie “DreaM” Zhu (Qualifier 1) SlayerS - Kim Dong Won “Ryung” MvP - Kim Won Hyung “TAiLS” MLG is a pro american tourny where Europeans cannot fairly compete and to go through the OpenBracket a crazy/exhausting/unfair experience, props to those who got.through. (now mostly koreans... so...) Yep, and he won 10k for that, which is not nothing!
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Jjakji has been solehandedly destroying my liquidbets this month
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Not a bad power rank. Difficult, but not bad.
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I only agree with the placement of the first two players. The rest is bonkers (more or less).
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Naniwa and Ret should not be placed anywhere near any sort of top ten list . . . maybe when they're actually capable of getting through the first round of Code A.
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This is actually the best power ranking I've ever seen, though if Jjakji had been traveling, he'd be higher up
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On November 29 2011 00:14 Mackguy wrote:Show nested quote +So you are telling me that he can win a tournament and still do "nothing" while other people on that list have done nothing (by the normal standards of doing nothing) and are still allowed to be there? it seems, that if you are a korean living in korea, and doing nothing, you are still having a much better month than a korean abroad doing well, or a foreigner winning some tourny. And even if you are a korean going to foreign tourny and losing badly, you are still doing greater than those who got deep in such tourny.. Show nested quote +While I don't really agree with the list, people need to understand this is a PowerRank for November and November only, so players like Stephano, Idra and Huk have absolutely nothing to do in a ranking seeing as none of them have done something top10 worthy the last 30 days. Stephano : IPL 4 qualifier winner Idra Top 8 MLG huk Top 5 MLG what about the ones from the list ? what did you they do, deserving a spot there ?
Idra and huk got a top spotted granted for their overall performance in 2011 so saying they finished top 8 or top 5 doesnt mean anything. Tell me who did they beat in these tournaments and, alongside their results at dreamhack (and battle berlin for stephano), you'll notice they havent done anything top 10 worthy.
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On November 29 2011 00:36 FakeDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 23:06 Talin wrote:Just as a suggestion, normally Power Rank articles involve more than just a summary of accomplishments - this is why it's called a POWER rank and why it's not an ELO rank or a GSL rank or any "objective" statistical rank. It's more like a way to express the sort of "gut feeling" ranking of players by taking into account how convincing and impressive their play is and how "feared" they are by their opponents. This is what you need to express in the article to justify the "misranking" of players that are either higher or lower than their results show for. This is why PR's are fun to both write and read in the first place. This article, on the other hand, really isn't much of a Power Rank at all. What you've done is pretty much listed their accomplishments and then ranked them based on your evaluation of what they've done. I would also put HerO in top 5 PR, but it's for the skill level he displays during games which is beyond what any other player has shown so far - but based on his accomplishments alone (pretty much DH win and nothing else) he wouldn't even make it to CNBC. Also it is unforgivable to compare anyone except HerO to Bisu. Please dun compare HerO to Bisu.It's an insult no offense to HerO.He's is a good player whose skill level is increasing at a jaw-dropping rate but his accomplishment is only DH win .HerO still has a long way to go.
I didn't realise the police of comparisons used number of wins to make their justice 0_o
HerO isn't as good as Bisu, nor as accomplished, but he has a similar style, is similarly ahead of his time and has a similarly fantastic PvZ but slightly worse PvT and PvP (IMO, anyway).
I think that qualifies as allowing a comparison.
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On November 29 2011 00:36 FakeDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 23:06 Talin wrote:Just as a suggestion, normally Power Rank articles involve more than just a summary of accomplishments - this is why it's called a POWER rank and why it's not an ELO rank or a GSL rank or any "objective" statistical rank. It's more like a way to express the sort of "gut feeling" ranking of players by taking into account how convincing and impressive their play is and how "feared" they are by their opponents. This is what you need to express in the article to justify the "misranking" of players that are either higher or lower than their results show for. This is why PR's are fun to both write and read in the first place. This article, on the other hand, really isn't much of a Power Rank at all. What you've done is pretty much listed their accomplishments and then ranked them based on your evaluation of what they've done. I would also put HerO in top 5 PR, but it's for the skill level he displays during games which is beyond what any other player has shown so far - but based on his accomplishments alone (pretty much DH win and nothing else) he wouldn't even make it to CNBC. Also it is unforgivable to compare anyone except HerO to Bisu. Please dun compare HerO to Bisu.It's an insult no offense to HerO.He's is a good player whose skill level is increasing at a jaw-dropping rate but his accomplishment is only DH win .HerO still has a long way to go. His hair maybe ? -_-
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I agree w/ all but Nestea and Ret. Should put in PuMa and Nerchio (who finally stopped sucking badly offline) in there, imo. Just my opinion though, list is kinda nice otherwise but DRG should maybe be lower?
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Decent list, dunno how I feel about ret being there though.
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replace mma with puma and imo it will be 100% accurate
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On November 29 2011 01:17 chenchen wrote: Naniwa and Ret should not be placed anywhere near any sort of top ten list . . . maybe when they're actually capable of getting through the first round of Code A. Well, Naniwa will be Code S next season so, he's obviously pretty good.
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On November 29 2011 00:00 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 23:34 shockaslim wrote:On November 28 2011 15:45 Ace.Xile wrote:On November 28 2011 14:17 VirgilSC2 wrote: This is the reason you should leave Power Ranking to the people who analyze games on a professional level.
Ret, for one, does not deserve to be on this list above players like PuMa or Stephano.
MMA's results in November consisted of the Ro16 in GSL, and then quick losses from his seeded position at Providence.
It seems like you completely threw the ASUS ROG tournament as well as the IPL 4 i44 Qualifiers and Battle in Berlin out the window as far as tournament results go. SuperNoVa should also be on this list above a few of the players listed, with his high finishes in both Korean WCG and AoL2. I don't get this, you criticize him for his choice on whos in, and then mention stephano who has done absolutely nothing in november, he lost to goody in battle in berlin, he didn't make it out of his group in dreamhack, and the only difficult person he even had to play in the uk qualifier was sase. Ugh ppl. Yeah he had a great october, but he hasn't really done anything this month in terms of success that would warrant him in top 10. So you are telling me that he can win a tournament and still do "nothing" while other people on that list have done nothing (by the normal standards of doing nothing) and are still allowed to be there? What did Stephano do in November? How far did he get in any tournament? I'm pretty sure he got knocked out super-early in DreamHack, and he didn't even go to MLG or play in GSL. Isn't that everything? Errr... what's left, NASL? The players in these top ten spots at least made good (or great) runs in top SC2 tournaments of this month. That's the point of the monthly power ranking >.>
On November 28 2011 23:15 Lukeeze[zR] wrote: While I don't really agree with the list, people need to understand this is a PowerRank for November and November only, so players like Stephano, Idra and Huk have absolutely nothing to do in a ranking seeing as none of them have done something top10 worthy the last 30 days.
I always get a good laugh when people who don't actually keep up with the scene try to comment on recent events. Stephano placed what, 4th at Battle in Berlin, with a better showing than Ret, as well as taking home a win for 10K at the IPL4 UK Qual@i44 LAN. IdrA took home the Gold as well as another 1k in showmatch $$ at the ASUS ROG tournament.
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I still think Mvp deserves the number 1 spot
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i would like to see haypro on one of these lists
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People weight weekend long tournaments way too heavily. MLG has just about the worst seeding format imaginable, with some of the best players in the world having to claw their way through the tiring open bracket while some of the worst players and mediocre NA amateurs are seeded very deeply. It's silly when Naniwa, who can't make it in Code A, beats Nestea. You have to consider the situation.
While Koreans fly all around the world winning almost every major foreigner tournament, foreigners who fly to Korea have trouble making it past the first round of the lower league. Koreans with time for preparation still destroy everyone.
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On November 29 2011 02:32 Bd.Snake wrote: I still think Mvp deserves the number 1 spot
its for November only.
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On November 29 2011 02:32 VirgilSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2011 00:00 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On November 28 2011 23:34 shockaslim wrote:On November 28 2011 15:45 Ace.Xile wrote:On November 28 2011 14:17 VirgilSC2 wrote: This is the reason you should leave Power Ranking to the people who analyze games on a professional level.
Ret, for one, does not deserve to be on this list above players like PuMa or Stephano.
MMA's results in November consisted of the Ro16 in GSL, and then quick losses from his seeded position at Providence.
It seems like you completely threw the ASUS ROG tournament as well as the IPL 4 i44 Qualifiers and Battle in Berlin out the window as far as tournament results go. SuperNoVa should also be on this list above a few of the players listed, with his high finishes in both Korean WCG and AoL2. I don't get this, you criticize him for his choice on whos in, and then mention stephano who has done absolutely nothing in november, he lost to goody in battle in berlin, he didn't make it out of his group in dreamhack, and the only difficult person he even had to play in the uk qualifier was sase. Ugh ppl. Yeah he had a great october, but he hasn't really done anything this month in terms of success that would warrant him in top 10. So you are telling me that he can win a tournament and still do "nothing" while other people on that list have done nothing (by the normal standards of doing nothing) and are still allowed to be there? What did Stephano do in November? How far did he get in any tournament? I'm pretty sure he got knocked out super-early in DreamHack, and he didn't even go to MLG or play in GSL. Isn't that everything? Errr... what's left, NASL? The players in these top ten spots at least made good (or great) runs in top SC2 tournaments of this month. That's the point of the monthly power ranking >.> Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 23:15 Lukeeze[zR] wrote: While I don't really agree with the list, people need to understand this is a PowerRank for November and November only, so players like Stephano, Idra and Huk have absolutely nothing to do in a ranking seeing as none of them have done something top10 worthy the last 30 days. I always get a good laugh when people who don't actually keep up with the scene try to comment on recent events. Stephano placed what, 4th at Battle in Berlin, with a better showing than Ret, as well as taking home a win for 10K at the IPL4 UK Qual@i44 LAN. IdrA took home the Gold as well as another 1k in showmatch $$ at the ASUS ROG tournament.
Laugh as much as you want mr-i-know-the-scene-lile-crazy-but-joined-TL-only-5-months-ago, but finishing 4th in a 8 men tournament doesnt say much. Idra won asus yeah - also a 8 men tournament with no top korean in it - but his performances in both mlg and dh were mediocre. Money won is not an indicator of how good you are, when will people get it ? Especially when you're playing a qualifer while every body in in the US trying to win one of, if not the most stacked tournament of the year.
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Updated the rankings to reflect what happened in GSL last night! So all you Jjakji fans can rejoice. :D
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It might be a good idea to include an "Honorable Mention" list of sorts, especially if the last few spots are so close.
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Ret at number ten? Seems... odd.
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I feel like I am missing a crucial information... why won't we see much of Ret in 2012 ?
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I agree with the point that this is too much weighted on MLG. It is only one weekend so mindset has a lot to do with who is winning. And MLG's seeding favors some people a lot over others. This should be more weighted on GSL. Leenock first is justifiable with recent GSL result. MVP is solid as always, even in his games vs Leenock. I don't think Hero should be that high until we see his next GSL result although he definitely deserve top 10. Naniwa should be lower too due to his GSL results and that was only one weekend. DongRaeGu should not be compared to Jaedong. Jaedong will always be the dong. Jjakji and Oz are justified with recent GSL results. NesTea and MMA are okay too due to their past results. Ret does not deserve top 10 despite dreamhack. For me, I'd give it to Supernova because he got in WCG grandfinals and made pretty far in team ace invitational despite his fallen off of Code S round of 32.
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I agree there should be two seperate lists. Why is Nestea even listed if this is JUST Nov? And you forgot players like Huk and Puma who are playing at an exceptionally high lvl and actually showing results.
Also, DRG is not "the dong." He isn't now, he never has and he never will be.
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On November 29 2011 09:49 SpiZe wrote: I feel like I am missing a crucial information... why won't we see much of Ret in 2012 ? Because there's no more big foreign tournaments until next year
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On November 28 2011 13:51 SoulTakerz wrote:You call DongRaeGu "the Dong"...Really? madness
Thin ice eh?
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On November 28 2011 23:06 Talin wrote:Just as a suggestion, normally Power Rank articles involve more than just a summary of accomplishments - this is why it's called a POWER rank and why it's not an ELO rank or a GSL rank or any "objective" statistical rank. It's more like a way to express the sort of "gut feeling" ranking of players by taking into account how convincing and impressive their play is and how "feared" they are by their opponents. This is what you need to express in the article to justify the "misranking" of players that are either higher or lower than their results show for. This is why PR's are fun to both write and read in the first place. This article, on the other hand, really isn't much of a Power Rank at all. What you've done is pretty much listed their accomplishments and then ranked them based on your evaluation of what they've done. I would also put HerO in top 5 PR, but it's for the skill level he displays during games which is beyond what any other player has shown so far - but based on his accomplishments alone (pretty much DH win and nothing else) he wouldn't even make it to CNBC. Also it is unforgivable to compare anyone except HerO to Bisu.
Agreed, this post feels more like a "Placement Ranking" than a true Power Ranking. Who is looking good in a particular matchup? Who made it deep in a tournament despite shaky play at times? I liked reading the BW PRs for the insight that comes from critical observation of *how* the players are playing. I'm a huge Leenock fan but can't help wondering how he would have fared in a ZvZ with Nestea. Taking the extended series off DRG was impressive, as was his performance in the Grand Final at Providence. I still wonder if his ZvZ and ZvP are anywhere near as solid as his ZvT.
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Ret definitively does't deserve #10. More like Huk.
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Wow only 3 terrans in the top 10. OMFG TERRAN OP.
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Puma went further than Ret in every tournament they've both played in this month, including knocking Ret out himself at Providence. Someone give me an explanation of why Ret is there over Puma other than pure fanboyism.
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On November 29 2011 10:39 nanoscorp wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 23:06 Talin wrote:Just as a suggestion, normally Power Rank articles involve more than just a summary of accomplishments - this is why it's called a POWER rank and why it's not an ELO rank or a GSL rank or any "objective" statistical rank. It's more like a way to express the sort of "gut feeling" ranking of players by taking into account how convincing and impressive their play is and how "feared" they are by their opponents. This is what you need to express in the article to justify the "misranking" of players that are either higher or lower than their results show for. This is why PR's are fun to both write and read in the first place. This article, on the other hand, really isn't much of a Power Rank at all. What you've done is pretty much listed their accomplishments and then ranked them based on your evaluation of what they've done. I would also put HerO in top 5 PR, but it's for the skill level he displays during games which is beyond what any other player has shown so far - but based on his accomplishments alone (pretty much DH win and nothing else) he wouldn't even make it to CNBC. Also it is unforgivable to compare anyone except HerO to Bisu. Agreed, this post feels more like a "Placement Ranking" than a true Power Ranking. Who is looking good in a particular matchup? Who made it deep in a tournament despite shaky play at times? I liked reading the BW PRs for the insight that comes from critical observation of *how* the players are playing. I'm a huge Leenock fan but can't help wondering how he would have fared in a ZvZ with Nestea. Taking the extended series off DRG was impressive, as was his performance in the Grand Final at Providence. I still wonder if his ZvZ and ZvP are anywhere near as solid as his ZvT. I'm pretty sure OP doesn't understand what a power ranking is. Fact is, power rankings are compounded from previous months, and I agree, this is just a placements ranking. If people wanted that you could just look up liquipedia and see how well each players did. People need to stop thinking about SC2 players from a week to week basis.
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Hmmm, I'm curios as to why you only look at performance in the month of November? To me, power rankings are to add stability over time to see trends up and down. A power rankings of just November fail to show people the overall trends of a race or a player, rather it just shows that a player did well in 1-2 tournaments instead of all.
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I agree with this, maybe a few exceptions like with HerO/Naniwa and MMA/Ret but overall pretty accurate I think.
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On November 30 2011 02:49 ronpaul012 wrote: Hmmm, I'm curios as to why you only look at performance in the month of November? To me, power rankings are to add stability over time to see trends up and down. A power rankings of just November fail to show people the overall trends of a race or a player, rather it just shows that a player did well in 1-2 tournaments instead of all. thats why it's called powerrank NOVEMBER
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nestea dont even deserve top 20 tbh, let alone 8.
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On Nov 29 2011 13:33 OopsOopsBaby wrote: nestea dont even deserve top 20 tbh, let alone 8.
If a 3 time champion that went through open bracket and made a respectable 12th place at MLG and only to beat in GSL by MMA (previous champion) and Huk. He is still a force to be scared of even though he is in a small "slump"
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there are many other players that should get #10, and none of them are named Ret. not being a dick to ret but he didn't play as the 10th best of all players this month...
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On November 29 2011 10:21 Inertia_EU wrote:Thin ice eh? JaeDongRaeGu fighting!
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This list is so full of shit. It's just a combination of tournament results and OP's fan-favouritism. Anyone with a slightest idea of skill would place HerO on top of true powerranking without a doubt.
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On November 30 2011 06:37 vizir wrote: This list is so full of shit. It's just a combination of tournament results and OP's fan-favouritism. Anyone with a slightest idea of skill would place HerO on top of true powerranking without a doubt. Could I ask why you think that? Because as impressive as his Dreamhack win was, it was not against the stiffest of competition.
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Silly rankings, you might as well have just copied the last GSL results. Also, Ret at #10 is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.
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Agree with everything except IMO Huk>Ret
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On November 30 2011 06:44 `MemoRY wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 06:37 vizir wrote: This list is so full of shit. It's just a combination of tournament results and OP's fan-favouritism. Anyone with a slightest idea of skill would place HerO on top of true powerranking without a doubt. Could I ask why you think that? Because as impressive as his Dreamhack win was, it was not against the stiffest of competition.
.....read his post again
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guys keep in mind this is for november, this is a pretty good list, i like ^^
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On November 30 2011 06:44 `MemoRY wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 06:37 vizir wrote: This list is so full of shit. It's just a combination of tournament results and OP's fan-favouritism. Anyone with a slightest idea of skill would place HerO on top of true powerranking without a doubt. Could I ask why you think that? Because as impressive as his Dreamhack win was, it was not against the stiffest of competition.
Let's just say HerO is far ahead of any protoss player who actively plays in big tournaments. Based on this it's just an assumption with high probability that he is ahead of every other player among other races as well. It's pretty hard to explain with words (in a reasonable timeframe) why this is if you don't play Protoss at high level yourself. I'll just summarize that HerO's ability to actively micro and macro his main army, do effective harassment (with zealots or warp prisms) and run his economy/expand behind this is just beyond anyone. HerO also almost always uses 4-5 control groups for his units while most top Ps use 2-3. I could go more into details about his game sense and flawless decisions but I'm trying to keep this short.
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Ret? No. Stop the TL bias. MVP is still number 1. Leenock has not won the GSL yet. Hero is still in Code A, he is not the 3rd best player in the world. Naniwa had a decent tournament run on the back of 2 base timings, and hasn't done anything in Korea. He is not the 4th best in the world, not even in November. DRG has been slumping considerably, and he only had 1-2 good series at MLG.
Terrible list. Please try to use some reasoning next time, and the Bisu DRG comparison is downright insulting. DRG is nowhere near the level of Bisu.
If this is a list solely for November, than Puma should be on there, same with MC. OZ should be top 5. HuK should probably also be added in. Nestea should not be on it alltogether, etc, etc. This just sounds like it was thrown together in 5 minutes via fanboyism and limited thinking
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On November 30 2011 06:37 vizir wrote: This list is so full of shit. It's just a combination of tournament results and OP's fan-favouritism. Anyone with a slightest idea of skill would place HerO on top of true powerranking without a doubt. Have you watched Leenock recently? He won MLG, beat Mvp in the best Bo5 ever (or at least Jinro thought so), and has a good chance at winning the GSL (though I'll root for Jjakji till the end!). And frankly, what is your ranking based on other than HerO's DreamHack win and--I'm assuming--the fact that you like him. Leenock deserves to be at the top of this list, and Mvp's play against Leenock earns him second up there too. I think it's funny how hypocritical you are when judging what the OP wrote.
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Ridiculous ranking...I can't even fathom the thought process behind putting Ret on a top 10 power rank.
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Nice list, fun to read other peoples opinion of the top 10, I might not agree with all of it but I won't flame you for it like most people in this thread are doing
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people are so fucking dumb, he clearly states this is for november specifically. obviously he doesn't believe naniwa is the 4th best in the world
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On November 30 2011 09:36 darthfoley wrote: people are so fucking dumb, he clearly states this is for november specifically. obviously he doesn't believe naniwa is the 4th best in the world
So, I still think putting Naniwa as the 4th best of November is a terrible spot? Am I not allowed to disagree with that?
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On November 30 2011 09:43 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 09:36 darthfoley wrote: people are so fucking dumb, he clearly states this is for november specifically. obviously he doesn't believe naniwa is the 4th best in the world So, I still think putting Naniwa as the 4th best of November is a terrible spot? Am I not allowed to disagree with that?
you're allowed to dissagree, yet getting mad at the OP for thinking Naniwa is 4th best in the world, when he never actually said that, is pretty dumb.
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I actually agree with the placement of Ret (Though he is the only zerg that I like so take this with a grain of salt), but within international tournaments Ret always places very highly. Him defeating Nerchio in ZvZ was a huge upset, overshadowed by HerO's eventual manhandling of Ret.
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On November 30 2011 10:18 McFeser wrote: I actually agree with the placement of Ret (Though he is the only zerg that I like so take this with a grain of salt), but within international tournaments Ret always places very highly. Him defeating Nerchio in ZvZ was a huge upset, overshadowed by HerO's eventual manhandling of Ret.
So beating a foreigner zerg somehow bumps you ahead of the top tiers of GSL?
Sorry but PR should be left to people that spend time to actually analyze the games and look at the player's play. Not just someone who clicked on the results tab and added the numbers together.
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great choice for leenock first, hope he can win the whole GSL!
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I still like the method of "who is scariest to play against" over the "best record in the past month" method the OP used. I'd say it should look more like: 1. MVP 2. NesTea 3. MMA 4. Leenock
and then Naniwa, Jjakji, HerO, Stephano, and a few others jumbled around.
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Seems like a pretty random list. They're all good players and leenock is probably the golden boy of november, but pretty much all the rest are a tossup.
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On November 30 2011 10:26 jalstar wrote: I still like the method of "who is scariest to play against" over the "best record in the past month" method the OP used. I'd say it should look more like: 1. MVP 2. NesTea 3. MMA 4. Leenock
and then Naniwa, Jjakji, HerO, Stephano, and a few others jumbled around.
That's a lot less interesting because we already know most of those guys are established S-class players. The power ranking should be about who accomplished the most, caused most upsets, gained the most ELO etc, within the past few months. If a player didn't accomplish something recently, he's not a power player! The last 3 should def be other people. Sorry but Nestea is in a serious slump. He lost to Hayder who, no offense to him, has a 30% ZvZ record and hasn't won a ZvZ match in 36 years. Don't forget the group match GSL vs Huk fiasco. Honestly he should be #1 in the UnderpowerRank.
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On November 28 2011 13:51 SoulTakerz wrote:You call DongRaeGu "the Dong"...Really? madness Who doesn't?
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On November 30 2011 10:53 cscarfo1 wrote:Who doesn't?
Jaedong is the Dong. When DongRaeGu wins 5 starleagues he can take that title.
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On November 30 2011 10:53 cscarfo1 wrote:Who doesn't? Just about everyone on the entire fucking planet
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On November 30 2011 10:53 cscarfo1 wrote:Who doesn't? Anyone who has ever watched Lee Jaedong win a Brood War Starleague.
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LOL DRG aint the dong uhh why is ret on there and not huk? and wtf why is nestea still on there. he hasnt done anything this month. and personally i think Oz is completely overrated cuz hes a freaking monster versus Terran, and all the GSL opponents he had were terrible versus toss.
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On November 30 2011 11:14 Grampz wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 10:53 cscarfo1 wrote:On November 28 2011 13:51 SoulTakerz wrote:You call DongRaeGu "the Dong"...Really? madness Who doesn't? Just about everyone on the entire fucking planet Obv you are all Brood War fans. I on the other hand am not, so i will be calling him Dong until Jaedong plays sc2
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Spot on list. All these names have been at the forefront of discussion this past month. What stood out to me these past few weeks was how Nestea and MVP seemed to lose their invincibility, Nestea especially. Any other month and he'd be #1 or 2.
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On December 01 2011 06:11 cscarfo1 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 11:14 Grampz wrote:On November 30 2011 10:53 cscarfo1 wrote:On November 28 2011 13:51 SoulTakerz wrote:You call DongRaeGu "the Dong"...Really? madness Who doesn't? Just about everyone on the entire fucking planet Obv you are all Brood War fans. I on the other hand am not, so i will be calling him Dong until Jaedong plays sc2
I think we should come to an agreement not to refer to anyone as simply 'the dong'.
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On November 30 2011 11:22 SirKibbleX wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 10:53 cscarfo1 wrote:On November 28 2011 13:51 SoulTakerz wrote:You call DongRaeGu "the Dong"...Really? madness Who doesn't? Anyone who has ever watched Lee Jaedong win a Brood War Starleague.
I don't mind him having nicknames, but yeah i cringe when i hear people call him "the dong" cuz that's a title given to someone who is already a legend in bw. You don't just find some new terran and call him the emperor.
I say starting now, we never call him "the Dong" again, and forever remember him as "the final boss" because honestly, in GSTL, that's what he is, no matter how many of his teammates you stomp, he's the one you have to face, and beat to win the game.
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On December 01 2011 09:39 Kazeyonoma wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 11:22 SirKibbleX wrote:On November 30 2011 10:53 cscarfo1 wrote:On November 28 2011 13:51 SoulTakerz wrote:You call DongRaeGu "the Dong"...Really? madness Who doesn't? Anyone who has ever watched Lee Jaedong win a Brood War Starleague. I don't mind him having nicknames, but yeah i cringe when i hear people call him "the dong" cuz that's a title given to someone who is already a legend in bw. You don't just find some new terran and call him the emperor. I say starting now, we never call him "the Dong" again, and forever remember him as "the final boss" because honestly, in GSTL, that's what he is, no matter how many of his teammates you stomp, he's the one you have to face, and beat to win the game.
Absolutely agree. Someone on stream called him the chubbyzerg and I thought that was adorable/halarious/fitting. Hope that takes off instead.
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On December 01 2011 09:39 Kazeyonoma wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 11:22 SirKibbleX wrote:On November 30 2011 10:53 cscarfo1 wrote:On November 28 2011 13:51 SoulTakerz wrote:You call DongRaeGu "the Dong"...Really? madness Who doesn't? Anyone who has ever watched Lee Jaedong win a Brood War Starleague. I don't mind him having nicknames, but yeah i cringe when i hear people call him "the dong" cuz that's a title given to someone who is already a legend in bw. You don't just find some new terran and call him the emperor. I say starting now, we never call him "the Dong" again, and forever remember him as "the final boss" because honestly, in GSTL, that's what he is, no matter how many of his teammates you stomp, he's the one you have to face, and beat to win the game.
I'm pretty sure "final boss" is one of Flash's nicknames.
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On November 30 2011 10:26 jalstar wrote: I still like the method of "who is scariest to play against" over the "best record in the past month" method the OP used. I'd say it should look more like: 1. MVP 2. NesTea 3. MMA 4. Leenock
and then Naniwa, Jjakji, HerO, Stephano, and a few others jumbled around.
Right now, I would say Leenock is the second scariest. Nestea has been playing pretty bad the past month, and MMA still has questional vP. Leenock is scary in all three match-ups currently.
1. MVP 2. Leenock 3. MMA 4. ForGG 5. Nestea
Based solely on who a player would be scared to play at this very second.
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I really am surprised by a lot of peoples comments but one in particular I want to point out is that so many people put MVP ahead of leenock this month.
There is literally no reason to. MVP has no right to be ahead of leenock THIS MONTH. I would love for anyone to explain why they put him ahead of leenock aside from bias towards MVP or not understanding that this ranking is only for november.
Not only is Leenock on the cusp of winning the two biggest titles possible right now but he took out MVP enroute to both of these titles. Also he seems extremely well rounded, having no singularly weak matchup. Not only does leenock deserve the #1 ranking this month in terms of achievement (which is what this pole is showing) but I honestly think that he is "scarier" than MVP at this moment.
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I like it ^^
I think Nani is kinda high there, but nice!
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On December 01 2011 06:11 cscarfo1 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 11:14 Grampz wrote:On November 30 2011 10:53 cscarfo1 wrote:On November 28 2011 13:51 SoulTakerz wrote:You call DongRaeGu "the Dong"...Really? madness Who doesn't? Just about everyone on the entire fucking planet Obv you are all Brood War fans. I on the other hand am not, so i will be calling him Dong until Jaedong plays sc2 You can call him whatever you want, but show some respect please. This is Starcraft site, that includes SC2 and BW, by simply being on here you should know who Jaedong is and how a lot of people here would kill for him.
As for the list - considering it is based on November's results, i guess there isn't too much to argue about. I suppose Ret is the major talking point as well as Oz - i feel Oz has been pretty fortunate with his opponents in the GSL, but that's just my personal opinion.
Nice list though
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nice list i never hear about ret these days but its true, results may not be wins but pretty impressive consistancy
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