Are GOMs arbitrary rules becoming a problem? - Page 4
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Zrana
United Kingdom698 Posts
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Toadvine
Poland2234 Posts
Still, insulting Naniwa by calling him a money-grubbing amateur was totally uncalled for. That, they did not need to do, and it looks way more unprofessional than what Naniwa himself did. Next thing you know Code S qualification is going to be based on a popularity contest, with the casters doing stand-up comedy during the breaks. | ||
bubblegumbo
Taiwan1296 Posts
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Torpedo.Vegas
United States1890 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:00 iky43210 wrote: since when is honor and pride a medieval mentality. where do you live? Having to play a consolation match is also standard practice in most tournaments. If it isn't televised and there is other stuff going on like at MLG, perhaps this sort of stuff is okay, but if they are depending on you with cameras on and there is hype still going into the match, you really ought to try and give a good show, even if it is not the most competitive play in the world. GOM pays the bills with broadcasting, if they cant broadcast good games, stuff gets cut. Its in the interest of the gamer to support the industry who you are expecting to get a check from, and not be just a leech. | ||
iky43210
United States2099 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:05 gregnog wrote: A fake game with the illusion of real competition is what the Koreans want. But then they pretend its about fans/pride/honor. Where was Nesteas honor when he purposefully gave MVP the win at Blizzcon finals? That game had a 25k difference in 1st and 2nd place. (Most likely split the difference...) Naniwas was literally meaningless. Please do not make the naive assumption that skipping meaningless games detract from your pride and honor. That is what I am getting at. every sports in the world is exactly the same, and they all receives heavy punishment as well if you pull any stunts like that. I guess all sports are all fake honor and pride then right? and seriously your accusation without proofs is not something a logical person would do. Where is your proof that Nestea purposely throw away the game? I'm not sure why I am even wasting my time responding to a conspiracist. | ||
Velr
Switzerland10416 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:52 gregnog wrote: Koreans need to get rid of that medieval mentality with all that bull shit "honor and pride". Its all fake. All of it. Next season GOM is going to introduce interviews with the game loser I bet, and if you dip out on the interview you will be banned. Which would be perfectly fine. Have you seen a Grand Slam final? There is an immediate loser interview (before the Winner interview)... Why? Because people are interested in this. If you want to become a professional athlete you better stop being a fucking crybaby when you lose or feel like the game yo have to play now is pointless. YOUR JOB SOMETIMES SUCKS, no matter what job, DEAL WITH IT. Actually you can be a crybaby, but you have to man up and do what your paid to do, which is aside from playing also giving interviews and represent your team. | ||
Soma.bokforlag
Sweden448 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:03 Orcasgt24 wrote: Are you sure they just randomly "invented" this rule? How do you know that it hasn't been in place since GOM's BW days? interpreted is maybe a better word, invented in the sense that noone knew that you could play a game in a fashion that was unsatisfactory in the eyes of gom. if korean netizens would have gone ballistic and raged about dancing or manner mules gom would surely have interpreted the rules in this way earlier. | ||
zeru
8156 Posts
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Orcasgt24
Canada3238 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:07 zeru wrote: It's more about that Kespa has the rules written down and don't keep making things up for everything, which this thread is about. If there had been rules which naniwa broke i dont think anyone would actually be on naniwas side of what he did. GOM's rules are written down. I would really like it if the whole book was posted online in english but the rules are readily availible to players. Its not like they enter these events assuming rules will be made up. | ||
m0ck
4194 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:55 mind_control wrote: It's kinda of weird to me, Noone pushed to the Nestea, " Hey drop the birthday Party, U practice for blizzcup there will be 4 matches". Naniwa had vacation and flew long distance even changing twice airplanes and even had interviews with TL/and Gom etc. And he changed team no matter what it was his want or Not. This is really Korean typical issue, when they get together, they can do Anything, pushing someone else Out, Because they just don't like it. I saw all their twitters last night, it just was common letters, Korean must be very disppointed, but as a person/individual, I also regard that also just their own individual common dialogue, it just was happening. It's not easy to play 5-6 matches/ a day it was even evening. Naniwa just getting adjust himself new country, Do you think, he must hang out here new place? He just came here to new career, I don't think he just wants only money <- this must be only Gom's opinion. He just social awkward like you guys saying. maybe sick. Buy this is only he wants. Only he dumped up his 4th match, Code-S seed is revoked? This is total revenge from nestea and Dong-Hoon, Kang all the his team then. I thought he getting stick together each other well then. I don't know what was the reason of Couch Kang refused him to be there though. from my eyes they seem all every each one kool, but there must be something unwelcome naniwa inside there, and even though there are so many people surrounded there naniwa, there must be something making naniwa so lonely and cold. I know's naniwas's problem. but you think, this will be the reason that he should be code-S seed revoked alternative making to Sen?? Grew up guys, open eyes, we cant make it because we got hurt, and he just dumped us up, unlike our hopening & expectation. Read that - 경기중에 과격한 행동으로 상대 게이머나 관중들에게 위협을 가할 때 I think, you guys prefer wants money, I don't find any aggresive or threaten from his action with the match with nestea game # 9 yesterday evening. I think, you guys prefer want Respect & Fame than Naniwa. I hope this can be assured for naniwa, as long as I know this is all his hope and aim to Korea. Thanks for the post, it's interesting to know that there are differing views of the situation in Korea as well! | ||
NHY
1013 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:07 zeru wrote: It's more about that Kespa has the rules written down and don't keep making things up for everything, which this thread is about. If there had been rules which naniwa broke i dont think anyone would actually be on naniwas side of what he did. There is a rule. Basically, you are supposed to be professional. | ||
Soma.bokforlag
Sweden448 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:05 Toadvine wrote: GOM's running a business, they need to please their viewers, and they'll do whatever it takes. They can't afford to have the integrity to go against the wishes of the masses. Maybe in a few years their position will be strong enough to do such a thing, but it's way too early right now. In essence, yes, they're handing out punishment based on fan reactions, rather than the rules themselves, and since the fans are idiots with a herd-mentality, it comes out the way it does. Still, insulting Naniwa by calling him a money-grubbing amateur was totally uncalled for. That, they did not need to do, and it looks way more unprofessional than what Naniwa himself did. Next thing you know Code S qualification is going to be based on a popularity contest, with the casters doing stand-up comedy during the breaks. i think this is very short sightened. maybe it is better to invite mediocre foreigners now, but people will get tired and find it is less entertaining. i can only go to myself, i get excited when i hear fenix, moonglade, haypro, sase and the rest getting invites, i wish for the best and then get really dissapointed. if gom instead had tried to go for quality instead of quantity it would have been for the better in the long run. | ||
Luppy1
Singapore177 Posts
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gregnog
United States289 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:06 bubblegumbo wrote: You are stupid if you think that a professional gamer, being required to be professional is considered arbitrary. One day when you get a job that means shit and puts you in the scrutiny of others perhaps you'll understand. Act like a kid and you'll be treated like a kid, especially when it's a job. That would be like your boss telling you to take out the trash. After you are finished taking out the garbage, he then tells you to rip up some paper and throw it on the ground just to pick it up again. He is still paying you, but it is meaningless and you both know it. I know you can say that the entertainment industry is a bit different than a real job. But a real fan should not get any enjoyment out of a fake game where neither opponent is putting in 100%. | ||
zeru
8156 Posts
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Velr
Switzerland10416 Posts
He does not want to play? Well do some all-in cannon rush / Proxigate whatever (you might even end up winning ^^). No one would care, but probe rushng is just not acceptable... Or just start the game and then leave his PC... | ||
gregnog
United States289 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:06 iky43210 wrote: every sports in the world is exactly the same, and they all receives heavy punishment as well if you pull any stunts like that. I guess all sports are all fake honor and pride then right? and seriously your accusation without proofs is not something a logical person would do. Where is your proof that Nestea purposely throw away the game? I'm not sure why I am even wasting my time responding to a conspiracist. No? I have heard that there is some soccer rule that has only been enforced 1 or 2 times. In the US there is no such rule, for any sport. It is actually standard strategy to not put in full effort for meaningless games. Conspiracy? I guess you weren't around when the Blizzcon Finals happened. It is pretty well known. Them being on the same team and all... | ||
Soma.bokforlag
Sweden448 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:10 NHY wrote: There is a rule. Basically, you are supposed to be professional. do you really buy that? "you are supposed to be professional"? what does that entail? if players do sloppy plays and miss micro because the game doesnt matter, isnt that unprofessional? this is such a fine line, you might as well have a rule "players have to be 100% motivated for every game, otherwise you may at any point be banned from the league for being considered unprofessional" | ||
aussiesanga
Australia32 Posts
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skyrunner
371 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:12 Velr wrote: And whats up with the people acting up for punishing a player that is willingly dropping a televised game, he is paid for to play in, in a very obvious way. He does not want to play? Well do some all-in cannon rush / Proxigate whatever (you might even end up winning ^^). No one would care, but prope rushng is just not acceptable... Or just start the game and then leave his PC... What is the difference? | ||
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