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On January 31 2012 08:24 Zairair wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 08:23 dAPhREAk wrote:On January 31 2012 08:19 Zairair wrote:On January 31 2012 08:17 Roggay wrote:On January 31 2012 08:16 Zairair wrote:On January 31 2012 08:13 iky43210 wrote:On January 31 2012 08:12 Zairair wrote:On January 31 2012 08:09 dAPhREAk wrote:On January 31 2012 08:08 Zairair wrote:On January 31 2012 08:06 Linwelin wrote: [quote]
Yes I know that. Are you saying that Stephano was awake for many days>
I'm saying that if Stephano says he is tired, give him the benefit of the doubt and don't let him play. Let him postpone his match till he is capable of playing. ummmm, no. thats not how tournaments work. you play when it is scheduled, not when you feel like it. sorry GSL, our team is tired, can we play our final GSTL match next week? fuck no. That's not in the GTSL rules... It just says they lose and get 2nd place... They don't have to play... your logic is all over the place. rick perry and now this It's fine if logic goes on tangents, it's like a sub-proof. They eventually point to the say conclusion. I don't even... Am I being trolled? Or is this guy really THIS sad? I don't put a lot of thought in my posts the truth comes out. Discussion happens in the heat of the moment, we aren't all savants. But I haven't been proven invalid yet... just creative.
Creative would not be the word i'd use but go with it
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3 AM ... It was 3 Fucking AM in Europe, Stephano was playing whole day, showed some amazing games on Scan Invitational and ONOG. Imagine if you worked whole day, trying to get a raise, and so you work for 12 hours, and then your boss tells you , no fuck you, you worked till 3 AM, and I cant even give you small raise, and now whole office will know and we will hate you...Golden rule people...
There are real people behind pro-gamer IDs.
E: Would you rather see stephano 6 pool in 4 games and go 0-4. No
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On January 31 2012 05:46 Herculix wrote:actually he sounds like he had an unintended scheduling conflict... he was clearly the favorite to win ONOG, i dont know the line up of the scan invitational so i cant say how obvious it was that he would win. but any tournament he enters, he has a high chance of winning. also, unless he didnt intend to win, then it wasnt unintended
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How would the people react if Naniwa did that?
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The part about this that really bugs me the most was the post made by the tournament official on the reddit post who said stephano gave them basically an ultimatum, saying well I'm too tired and have to sleep and then logging off instantly. That to me says he has a wrong sense of entitlement as well as low maturity. Although it is something small and shouldn't be taken farther than a slap on the wrist, congrats to Kas for beating Illusion in the final,.
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On January 31 2012 05:43 Kluey wrote: If we had a governing body in E-Sports he could be punished for this. At this point, I don't think he really cares about the 5 people that have left following him.
Also @people making racist comments: Stop, it's not funny or effective.
fuck that, we dont need some godlike assholes sitting on some throne making bullshit decisions for everyone else stephano has his priorities straight at least
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drama drama bla, stephano was only honest, he probably was fucking tired at 2h. some other players would have faked illness or internet loss.. give him the earned 2nd place!
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Americans are so pround of thereself that they can't understand that someone couldn't be interest in there tournament..
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On January 31 2012 08:26 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 08:24 Zairair wrote:On January 31 2012 08:23 dAPhREAk wrote:On January 31 2012 08:19 Zairair wrote:On January 31 2012 08:17 Roggay wrote:On January 31 2012 08:16 Zairair wrote:On January 31 2012 08:13 iky43210 wrote:On January 31 2012 08:12 Zairair wrote:On January 31 2012 08:09 dAPhREAk wrote:On January 31 2012 08:08 Zairair wrote: [quote]
I'm saying that if Stephano says he is tired, give him the benefit of the doubt and don't let him play. Let him postpone his match till he is capable of playing. ummmm, no. thats not how tournaments work. you play when it is scheduled, not when you feel like it. sorry GSL, our team is tired, can we play our final GSTL match next week? fuck no. That's not in the GTSL rules... It just says they lose and get 2nd place... They don't have to play... your logic is all over the place. rick perry and now this It's fine if logic goes on tangents, it's like a sub-proof. They eventually point to the say conclusion. I don't even... Am I being trolled? Or is this guy really THIS sad? I don't put a lot of thought in my posts the truth comes out. Discussion happens in the heat of the moment, we aren't all savants. But I haven't been proven invalid yet... just creative. may i suggest you take a breather, think about what you write before you write it and then everyone can have an actual, logical conversation.
I find that the best way to construct logical arguments is the brute force it and fix errors along the way. But we can talk about this elsewhere.
The rules for forfeiting should be pre-determined in future esports to prevent occurances. (I agree with Chill's earlier post)
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On January 31 2012 08:26 Corsica wrote: 3 AM ... It was 3 Fucking AM in Europe, Stephano was playing whole day, showed some amazing games on Scan Invitational and ONOG. Imagine if you worked whole day, trying to get a raise, and so you work for 12 hours, and then your boss tells you , no fuck you, you worked till 3 AM, and I cant even give you small raise, and now whole office will know and we will hate you...Golden rule people...
There are real people behind pro-gamer IDs. And there are real people raising money and going to a barcraft to have a forfeited final match cause one of the players couldn't take responsibility for finishing what he started, without giving a shit about everybody else. This is a major act of disrespect imo.
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On January 31 2012 08:27 HarryKlein wrote:How would the people react if Naniwa did that?
Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling! Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes... The dead rising from the grave! Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!
or maybe
Try to imagine all life as you know it stopping instantaneously and every molecule in your body exploding at the speed of light. Total protonic reversal.
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Nulla poena sine lege stricta. Taking away the 2nd place money is just NOT justified.
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ok let's make an analogy: - Bercy's final 1990 tennis tournament Becker-Edberg ; Becker forfeits at 3-3 in the first cause he couldn't run anymore (ankle or something like that) 15000 looking at it live who paid for the final. Would you expect Becker to play anyway and loose 6-3 6-0 because of his wound ? So Becker forfeited and still received thepoints and prize money he earned. There wasn't another final played with the winner of another match played.
My point is how can you take the prize money and place of Stephano ? He deserved it by winning his semifinal didn't he ?
Because he was so tired he couldn't play anymore; or maybe he could but at his B or C game which wouldn't have been entertaining at all.So this is equivalent to a wound.
That's why i don't understand why people don't argue more on the fact that ONOG disranked Stephano !
The only thing the people should be mad of is the way Stephano handled his forfeit: it was disrepectful to the organisers and the fans and all the people waiting for him
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On January 31 2012 08:29 aTnClouD wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 08:26 Corsica wrote: 3 AM ... It was 3 Fucking AM in Europe, Stephano was playing whole day, showed some amazing games on Scan Invitational and ONOG. Imagine if you worked whole day, trying to get a raise, and so you work for 12 hours, and then your boss tells you , no fuck you, you worked till 3 AM, and I cant even give you small raise, and now whole office will know and we will hate you...Golden rule people...
There are real people behind pro-gamer IDs. And there are real people raising money and going to a barcraft to have a forfeited final match cause one of the players couldn't take responsibility for finishing what he started, without giving a shit on everybody else. This is a major act of disrespect imo.
Should he die near his computer?
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On January 31 2012 08:28 RoranRock wrote: Americans are so pround of thereself that they can't understand that someone couldn't be interest in there tournament.. you are neither representing french people (based on your country id) or stephano very well.... you come off as a serious dick. he was invited to a tournament for money; he should play it, or he should deny the invite.
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Even though tournament organisers should respect the players, and us as audience too, the tournaments have a schedule to run, as well as "crowning a winner". A tournament without a final isnt fun at all, for the spectators, nor the tournament.
Scheduling conflict or not, Stephano made an error in "playing for too long" so that he couldnt stay up to play the finals. Not the fault of ONOG at all for doing what they did; they needed to have a finals and so they had. Next time, tournament should include a clause in the sign up saying: You will forfeit your place/tournament winnings if you cannot show up to your match within reasonable time or are holding up the tournament.
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On January 31 2012 08:30 Corsica wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 08:29 aTnClouD wrote:On January 31 2012 08:26 Corsica wrote: 3 AM ... It was 3 Fucking AM in Europe, Stephano was playing whole day, showed some amazing games on Scan Invitational and ONOG. Imagine if you worked whole day, trying to get a raise, and so you work for 12 hours, and then your boss tells you , no fuck you, you worked till 3 AM, and I cant even give you small raise, and now whole office will know and we will hate you...Golden rule people...
There are real people behind pro-gamer IDs. And there are real people raising money and going to a barcraft to have a forfeited final match cause one of the players couldn't take responsibility for finishing what he started, without giving a shit on everybody else. This is a major act of disrespect imo. Should he die near his computer? He played two tournaments and delayed one of the two to forfeit the finals, the mess is his fault in the first place so he better take responsibility and finish what he started. No need for more spoiled arrogant kids in esports, thanks.
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On January 31 2012 08:21 purecarnagge wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 06:41 Hot_Bid wrote:On January 31 2012 06:30 eYeball wrote: Waiting for another thread regarding Tyler to show up any second now, TeamLiquid Esports. I am not sure whether people are actually serious about this, do you really think that there should be a thread every time someone forfeits in a tournament? Do you truly think that "Tyler forfeits round 1 of tournament" is worth a thread by itself? It is not a notable news worthy event. The situation with Stephano in the finals of a major invitational (3k prize pool) is something that never happened before, and about a player who is one of the best (if not the best) non-Koreans. Think about what would happen in either scenario: 1. We make a thread just about Tyler forfeiting People complain because it clearly isn't news worthy. Tyler dropping out in the first round doesn't really affect the tournament. Tyler isn't winning championships and didn't forfeit in the finals. People will say its just TL "hyping another one of their players who doesn't get results" etc. 2. We don't make a thread about Tyler forfeiting People react like they are in this thread Tyler forfeiting doesn't fit in this thread, and isn't even close to the level of notability / newsworthiness that this situation with Stephano is. It seems a bit unfair and far too easy to just point and yell bias all the time. I still don't understand whether people actually believe there should be a thread about Tyler's forfeit or whether they just like finding things to complain about. If it was any other player forfeiting (not Tyler) in the first round, we still wouldn't make a thread about it. Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 06:45 Hot_Bid wrote: I don't understand how people can say its hypocrisy that there is no thread about Tyler when if it was anyone else who forfeits first round (literally anyone, doesn't have to be Liquid) we wouldn't make a thread about it.
To summarize: 1. Anyone forfeiting first round, no thread, not newsworthy 2. One of the best foreigners forfeiting invitational right before finals, yes thread
#1 doesn't matter if it's Liquid, there wouldn't be a thread about Destiny or Flo or Incontrol or anyone else forfeiting first round, this should be obvious to anyone. There is no special treatment for Tyler. While I understand ONOGs position of wanting to clarify the situation with Stephano especially after such a lengthy delay in there schedule. I just find it completely odd that nobody wants to mention the other withdrawal from the tournament. That being Liquid Tyler. While I would like to think that Tyler understands being a professional more than most in this industry and his career. I find it rather amusing that your so quick to stick up for him, post multiple times, then offer no reason to the community. The same community that he asks to support him, his site, his team, makes $$ off of through advertising and streaming. First, I never "defended" Tyler's decision to forfeit. I only defended our decision not to make a thread about it. Look through my posts, not once have I defended the actual action. It isn't mentioned here because it shouldn't be. That's the bottom line. This is a thread about something that is worth having a news topic. I've stated why. It is interesting that you read so much bias into my posts when I never once talked about whether I approved or disapproved of his decision to withdraw.
Second, I don't know why Tyler forfeited, so I don't have a viewpoint on it. If it was because "he didn't feel like playing" then yes I think it's a bad decision. If it's because his friend is in the hospital, then I think it's justified. Do I believe he should state why? Yeah I do. Again, none of this is relevant to the thread at hand. If it was any other player, Incontrol, Destiny, Sase, anyone in this tournament else I'd still have the same opinion and act the same way. Of course, you wouldn't be accusing me of bias then so I wouldn't have to make this post.
Lastly, the thread doesn't defend or state a viewpoint on who was right. It doesn't villainize Stephano or ONOG, and I think it does a good job of aggregating data and presenting responses and facts. It doesn't push a specific interpretation of who was right in this.
Liquid has always been cleaner than the rest. They were always the guys that people gravitated towards because they did it better than the other guys, even when they weren't performing, and they always had fun. What does leaving in the 1st round have to do with being a professional. The bottom line is it isn't professional. Not offering an explanation to your supporters isn't either.
Does Tyler owe anyone an explanation? No, he doesn't. He doesn't have to do a damn thing. Your posts defending him and saying nothing when 70% of his supporters simply want to know "why?". These are the supporters paying his bills, his teams bills, and making this site one of the best on the internet.
Its just an opinion. It's not the most news worthy event but people would like to know. If people want to know then guess what...Thats NEWS!!!!!!!! OMG LIQUID TYLER IS NEWS ON TEAMLIQUID.NET. Again, I am not Tyler. I do not know why he forfeited. Do I want an explanation just like you? Yes, I would like one.
What is your point? I didn't defend him, I just don't know why he forfeited. Contrary to you, I actually do think he owes fans and organizers some sort of explanation.
I really feel like sometimes people just look really hard for bias when it's not there, I didn't defend Tyler's actions at all in this thread, I just defended our decision not to make a separate thread about him. We'd not make a thread if it was a player of Tyler's stature and caliber even if he was not on Liquid so I don't see the bias.
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On January 31 2012 08:30 Corsica wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 08:29 aTnClouD wrote:On January 31 2012 08:26 Corsica wrote: 3 AM ... It was 3 Fucking AM in Europe, Stephano was playing whole day, showed some amazing games on Scan Invitational and ONOG. Imagine if you worked whole day, trying to get a raise, and so you work for 12 hours, and then your boss tells you , no fuck you, you worked till 3 AM, and I cant even give you small raise, and now whole office will know and we will hate you...Golden rule people...
There are real people behind pro-gamer IDs. And there are real people raising money and going to a barcraft to have a forfeited final match cause one of the players couldn't take responsibility for finishing what he started, without giving a shit on everybody else. This is a major act of disrespect imo. Should he die near his computer?
His point was more along the lines of, don't enter the tournament in the first place if it's going to run at an inconvenient time for you rather than pro gamer = a monkey to dance for our enjoyment until he dies.
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On January 31 2012 08:30 Swiv wrote: Nulla poena sine lege stricta. Taking away the 2nd place money is just NOT justified. what the fuck did you just say
anyway, yeah i kind of agree. like, he coulda just 6pooled 4x. that would've been more "disrespectful"
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