31,500 Replays - A look at balance in Starcraft II - Page 12
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LilTip
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OnYourWifi
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jimminy_kriket
Canada5466 Posts
Hotkeys confirm. | ||
Nazeron
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DTK920
Canada46 Posts
On February 05 2012 03:57 LilTip wrote: The average game lengths seem rather short to me. Is that due to a majority of these being EU where there are a lot more hard timings or are my games just longer than average? REAL TIME not game time | ||
ThatGuy89
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wangstra
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SoraLimit
Canada747 Posts
On February 05 2012 01:45 Acritter wrote: Well, even more support for Tal'Darim Altar being my favorite map. Hell, I even like it PvP. Very balanced PvP map, it is. Never strays from 50%. I don't think these statistics mean TOO much, though. They're over five months, and there were some pretty significant balance changes and metagame shifts in the past five months. I just want to let you know that PvP winrate is always 100%. | ||
Drowsy
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
Still i definitively agree in that map pools should phase out the older maps | ||
LastDance
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HackBenjamin
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Najda
United States3765 Posts
On February 04 2012 15:46 ProBot wrote: Define "playing the game right." Not to be a dick just want to understand your point of view a bit better. I suck so i'm not going to get into anything with you but i would assume Most masters players and above have a decent idea of how to play the game hence why they're in said league. Generally speaking. But i'm silver so what do i know. A lot of master league players just have a build or a playstyle that they use regardless of the map or the situation. I obviously can't speak for all master players, but beyond certain tactics on a few maps, most maps play almost the exact same. Only when you start getting into grandmaster/pro level do people really start fine tuning their builds to fit the map. | ||
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Drowsy
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Fealthas
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ProBot
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On February 04 2012 16:13 -orb- wrote: Sorry, it's just something I rarely see. Even if MC did it one time, it happens almost never. I just did an analysis in sc2gears of every single korean replay I have (and I don't remember deleting any, though maybe some really old ones aren't in there), and of the 72 replays that start with "Pylon, Gateway, Assimilator, Pylon, Cybernetics Core, Assimilator," only 1 of them has the next building as a nexus (which lost). Only 7 have a nexus after another pylon, and the record there is 3-4. So okay, perhaps ~10% of the time people will expand immediately after going double gas, but it's not common, and it is a build that doesn't win very much. Depends on many, many factors. First off you have to take into account matchup: PvP - could mean anything. Double gas on 1base is very standard. For the most part you can rule out 4gate, though sometimes people will fake you with 2nd gas and still 4gate. In PvP specifically you can probably also rule out 1gate nexus for the mast part as you'd do that build with 1 gas. Could be standard robo build into immortals or colossi, could be stargate build, could be blink+obs, could be blink, could be dt, could be 3gate expand. The list goes on, because double gas is pretty much required for toss especially in that matchup. PvT - could be 3gate voidray, could be blink+obs, could be 4gate blink, could be 3gate sentry expand, could be 1 gate robo sentry+obs expand, could be a phoenix build, could be DT, could be a wacky templar rush, could be double gas 4gate. I'm sure there are some I am missing PvZ - well you know they're not forge FEing. The most common occurrence is probably 3gate sentry expand, but of course it could still be 1gate sentry expand, some 1-base blink build, DT expand, 1gate voidray expand, some weird robo warp prism + sentry build, and of course there are plenty of other alternatives that are less common like 1-base colossus or something silly like that. There are so many more factors that go into what build your opponent is doing than just if they get double gas or not, but it certainly helps narrow it down. Keep tabs not only of gas but other indicative elements such as the amount of chrono saved, where the chrono is being used, and how many sentries are made early game. If your opponent gets double gas and you scout a low number of sentries, you better prepare for the possibility of DT or stargate (or blink if u see a high number of stalkers). helped alot actually, i appreciate you taking the time to answer rather thoroughly. I like your casts dude, some of the more informative casts outs there to be honest and you got the whole news / sportcaster head movement thing going on :D. At first i kinda thought it might be a little too much movement ( then i watched a few sports and news streams because i don't have cable ) and your pretty spot on. Actually trying to think of some negative criticism or something you could work on. I'd probably say maybe practice the play by play a bit of your casting more more, not that your weak at it but your in game and post game analysis is without a doubt your strong points so if you worked if your strong at doing both you really shouldn't have any problem finding work casting for any tournament or league. I'd actually really like to see you cast with wheat, dan, husky or either of the plot brothers. Maybe not as a permanent thing but i think it's something both the community and yourself could benefit from. Your clearly passionate about about what you do so i think you'd benefit and learn so much from it and the community would get some epic casts at the same time. Definately very comfortable and natural in front of a camera. You took the time to answer my questions and help me out so i can at least do the same. Take it or leave it, it's my 2 sense. Appreciate it The Bot | ||
LeapofFaith
United States446 Posts
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happyness
United States2400 Posts
Nice post. I really liked the build order statistics too. :D | ||
AfricanPsycho
South Africa158 Posts
Looks like there are no PvT favoured maps, only vice versa. Its tuff to be a toss these days seriously! | ||
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