a webshow made of high level analytical analysis of professional gamers! check it out live at 11:00 am KST, Monday - Thursday (when I'm not traveling) at Twitch.TV/Artosis!
♥ artosis! Will probably watch for your amazing game knowledge and analysis. Also would be awesome if you could drag idra into it with you for some episodes while he's in korea :D
On February 14 2012 10:27 hunts wrote: ♥ artosis! Will probably watch for your amazing game knowledge and analysis. Also would be awesome if you could drag idra into it with you for some episodes while he's in korea :D
Please, don't do this. Artosis is awesome, but Idra is not, Although they are friends, this should be Artosis' show, no Idra involved. PLEASE don't do this to me.
Hi Artosis, i love watching you stream, normally i do it in the morning, because i live in EU, CET. And you are often streaming during the afternoon before you go cast i assume.
I really hope that you do not restrict yourself to one hour, because then your broadcast will be from 3am - 4am for me.
Artosis, I love when you show your Penix on ladder. Good style, strong and hard hitting. I do not execute that well though, can't wait to see more Penix play.
On February 14 2012 10:25 arcane1129 wrote: I believe 11 am kst is 8 pm eastern, 5pm pacific. Someone verify plz
Its actually 9pm EST, 6pm PST. TL has a clock in the upper right corner, and the time is in KST always. Even if your computer isn't set for KST, TL has you covered
Please don't be day9daily style, be artosis giving you the knowledge bombs but not catering to people plat and under. I'd like some really in depth analysis that isn't just repeating the basics. Can't wait to check this out <3 Artosis
The only suggestion I can make is to look into the pixelation of the stream video whenever you move the screen quickly. Otherwise amazing stuff Been wanting something like this for a long time
It's exactly why I started watching Day9 but nowadays he has little clue what he's talking about and focuses more on what he's drinking than the game at hand (which is usually some foreigners..). I'm glad some real high level analysis is available now!
Is it just me or is anyone else see this as Artosis just throwing a glove down in front of Day9?
Just think about it: Artosis is starting a daily web show that is about an hour long in which he will do high level analysis of pro matches? Remind you of any other shows out there?
I apologize in advance Sean, but I think I'm going to tune in...
On February 14 2012 11:43 shizaep wrote: Is it just me or is anyone else see this as Artosis just throwing a glove down in front of Day9?
Just think about it: Artosis is starting a daily web show that is about an hour long in which he will do high level analysis of pro matches? Remind you of any other shows out there?
I apologize in advance Sean, but I think I'm going to tune in...
nope, not at all ... Artosis is a busy man he streams when he can.
On February 14 2012 11:45 The KY wrote: The fuck how does this game go on for another 25 minutes??
This is exactly what I'm thinking. Nada has a crucial gap in his defenses, the bottom-center expansion can be broken , and if broken decisively, Tod can go from there straight into the natural and over the Production Facilities of Nada, effectively ending the game.
It's actually amazing how this game has ALL of Starcraft in it. Literally every single thing one can experience in the game, from early game to extreme late game.
On February 14 2012 11:43 shizaep wrote: Is it just me or is anyone else see this as Artosis just throwing a glove down in front of Day9?
Just think about it: Artosis is starting a daily web show that is about an hour long in which he will do high level analysis of pro matches? Remind you of any other shows out there?
I apologize in advance Sean, but I think I'm going to tune in...
Obviously, but it's due time. Day9's show has devolved into being "lol xD" for Bronze-Diamond level players and focusing on Day9 himself (he's extremely narcissistic). Artosis is simply giving us what Day9 no longer offers.
On February 14 2012 11:45 The KY wrote: The fuck how does this game go on for another 25 minutes??
This is exactly what I'm thinking. Nada has a crucial gap in his defenses, the bottom-center expansion can be broken , and if broken decisively, Tod can go from there straight into the natural and over the Production Facilities of Nada, effectively ending the game.
Its also important to note that if Tod uses his upper base as a point of attack there is nothing but chokes between him and Nada's mining bases. He can keep denying that corner base fairly easily as well.
Though because he is zealot heavy its kinda hard. Against Zerg its super easy to take those bases and use them instead of splitting the map since its so much more cost effective to defend and attack through there than to worry about the middle of the map.
On February 14 2012 11:43 shizaep wrote: Is it just me or is anyone else see this as Artosis just throwing a glove down in front of Day9?
Just think about it: Artosis is starting a daily web show that is about an hour long in which he will do high level analysis of pro matches? Remind you of any other shows out there?
I apologize in advance Sean, but I think I'm going to tune in...
Obviously, but it's due time. Day9's show has devolved into being "lol xD" for Bronze-Diamond level players and focusing on Day9 himself (he's extremely narcissistic). Artosis is simply giving us what Day9 no longer offers.
Day 9 is not narcissistic, and while most of his insight is for lower level players im in diamond and I find the approach to positioning and decision much more helpful since thats where I make most of my mistakes.
On February 14 2012 11:43 shizaep wrote: Is it just me or is anyone else see this as Artosis just throwing a glove down in front of Day9?
Just think about it: Artosis is starting a daily web show that is about an hour long in which he will do high level analysis of pro matches? Remind you of any other shows out there?
I apologize in advance Sean, but I think I'm going to tune in...
Obviously, but it's due time. Day9's show has devolved into being "lol xD" for Bronze-Diamond level players and focusing on Day9 himself (he's extremely narcissistic). Artosis is simply giving us what Day9 no longer offers.
Yeah, I have to agree with this. Day9 is more than capable of high level analysis, but he no longer doing so due to the popularity of the show. And thank you artosis for bringing us this awesome show.
On February 14 2012 11:43 shizaep wrote: Is it just me or is anyone else see this as Artosis just throwing a glove down in front of Day9?
Just think about it: Artosis is starting a daily web show that is about an hour long in which he will do high level analysis of pro matches? Remind you of any other shows out there?
I apologize in advance Sean, but I think I'm going to tune in...
Obviously, but it's due time. Day9's show has devolved into being "lol xD" for Bronze-Diamond level players and focusing on Day9 himself (he's extremely narcissistic). Artosis is simply giving us what Day9 no longer offers.
Day 9 is not narcissistic, and while most of his insight is for lower level players im in diamond and I find the approach to positioning and decision much more helpful since thats where I make most of my mistakes.
Day9 focuses a lot on himself (more than the average person would). If you watch the daily looking for signs of narcissism, you will see a lot of them. People who know him in real life also say the same thing from what I hear.
day9 isn't extremely narcissistic, dudes. let's just cool down a sec, lol. he just knows he has a following, and lot of people want to see what he puts on. for other people who want higher level analysis, now there's artosis.
The day9 comparisons are unnecessary and pretty obnoxious. Regardless, loving the show so far. That game was insane. Pumped for Nestea vs Gosijuanmajorkittyterran
On February 14 2012 11:43 shizaep wrote: Is it just me or is anyone else see this as Artosis just throwing a glove down in front of Day9?
Just think about it: Artosis is starting a daily web show that is about an hour long in which he will do high level analysis of pro matches? Remind you of any other shows out there?
I apologize in advance Sean, but I think I'm going to tune in...
It's not daily, it's 'when possible'. He's a busy guy so I doubt it will ever come into contention with the Daily.
Besides, they focus on different things. Artosis is very specific in what he talks about - certain moves or choices. Day9 focuses more on the gameplan of the player or other bigger picture things - the 'broad strokes' as he would say.
Anyway, awesome show Artosis! So cool to hear your thoughts like this since you don't really have time to go this in depth during the GSL.
On February 14 2012 11:43 shizaep wrote: Is it just me or is anyone else see this as Artosis just throwing a glove down in front of Day9?
Just think about it: Artosis is starting a daily web show that is about an hour long in which he will do high level analysis of pro matches? Remind you of any other shows out there?
I apologize in advance Sean, but I think I'm going to tune in...
Obviously, but it's due time. Day9's show has devolved into being "lol xD" for Bronze-Diamond level players and focusing on Day9 himself (he's extremely narcissistic). Artosis is simply giving us what Day9 no longer offers.
Yeah, I have to agree with this. Day9 is more than capable of high level analysis, but he no longer doing so due to the popularity of the show. And thank you artosis for bringing us this awesome show.
Is he really? The problem is that I have never seen him go into such detail as Artosis does right now.
He used to show a lot of knowledge in his BW dailies sure, but he was a pro himself in that game so of course he knew a lot. Nowadays his dailies are much more "general RTS stuff" than actual detailed analysis. You don't really need to know that much about the recent metagame for example to do what Day9 does, but you certainly need to be up to date if you want to do what Artosis does. Day9 just seems to want to be more of a "community guy" instead of an intricate analyst, which is okay and he certainly is still very popular.
I really like Artosis' approach to analyzing games, he tends to focus more on the specific situation he's commenting on and doesn't project it onto similar situations that might happen in other matches, as Day9 tends to do. It's more like "if I was in his shoes I would do this and that" and not "if you are in this situation you might consider this and that". It's more concise and situation-related in contrast to Day9's broader analysis. I think both approaches are very different and I like them equally well.
On February 14 2012 11:43 shizaep wrote: Is it just me or is anyone else see this as Artosis just throwing a glove down in front of Day9?
Just think about it: Artosis is starting a daily web show that is about an hour long in which he will do high level analysis of pro matches? Remind you of any other shows out there?
I apologize in advance Sean, but I think I'm going to tune in...
They do not overlap eachother on time slots, Artosis will be doing analysis of high level play, and Day9 generally tries to actually teach you something (a particular build, style, etc.) I think there is more than enough room for both of them to coexist.
Loving what Artosis is providing for this show. I would like it however if the replays were not only given by foreigners to show off their game against a very well known korean player :D Otherwise great show.
If I could be critical of Artosis, it would have to be the apparent lack of preparation. During the Nonge/Nestea game, it just seemed like he was casting it and arbitrarily pausing to reflect on game decisions.
He uses lots of "ifs" and "maybes" and "probablys" where it begins to feel like he hasn't necessarily watched the replay or anything. I know the unfortunate comparison is Day[9], so I guess it bares mentioning that Day[9] ALWAYS knows what's coming and can explain how these things relate to the late-game (which he has seen).
For instance: Artosis will say things like "If Nestea is considering Broodlords later, this may be a good move." Day[9] will say things like "And this move makes sense, as Nestea moves towards the late game with Brood Lords in mind."
It just makes the analysis feel more solid and less on-the-fly. I know it's just the first episode (and it was really good, I obviously watched) but that's some constructive criticism. Overall, I enjoyed the episode!
On February 14 2012 11:43 shizaep wrote: Is it just me or is anyone else see this as Artosis just throwing a glove down in front of Day9?
Just think about it: Artosis is starting a daily web show that is about an hour long in which he will do high level analysis of pro matches? Remind you of any other shows out there?
I apologize in advance Sean, but I think I'm going to tune in...
They do not overlap eachother on time slots, Artosis will be doing analysis of high level play, and Day9 generally tries to actually teach you something (a particular build, style, etc.) I think there is more than enough room for both of them to coexist.
yea and I totally agree with you, where does this shizaep get off thinking artosis is biting off day9? I wonder if he realizes how many other casters are out there, DOING THE EXACT SAME THING. In this case, less is never better.
On February 14 2012 12:17 ZenithM wrote: Loving what Artosis is providing for this show. I would like it however if the replays were not only given by foreigners to show off their game against a very well known korean player :D Otherwise great show.
I don't think koreans are very forthcoming with their own replays
On February 14 2012 12:17 Durn wrote: If I could be critical of Artosis, it would have to be the apparent lack of preparation. During the Nonge/Nestea game, it just seemed like he was casting it and arbitrarily pausing to reflect on game decisions.
He uses lots of "ifs" and "maybes" and "probablys" where it begins to feel like he hasn't necessarily watched the replay or anything. I know the unfortunate comparison is Day[9], so I guess it bares mentioning that Day[9] ALWAYS knows what's coming and can explain how these things relate to the late-game (which he has seen).
For instance: Artosis will say things like "If Nestea is considering Broodlords later, this may be a good move." Day[9] will say things like "And this move makes sense, as Nestea moves towards the late game with Brood Lords in mind."
It just makes the analysis feel more solid and less on-the-fly. I know it's just the first episode (and it was really good, I obviously watched) but that's some constructive criticism. Overall, I enjoyed the episode!
well Day9 has his own style, I know you aren't hating on artosis but everyone needs to stop comparing and just enjoy
if you want detailed anaylsis where it takes 1 hour to go over 1 game then day9 is for you, but artosis is much more of a theory crafter and is good at it and I don't care if it's on the fly because I play SC2 on the fly and even though I might have something prepared, something always changes.
Loved the show. However, if you could credit how you got the replay 'til AFTER the gg, it would be appreciated. I mean, yeah, I watch this for analysis, but there's also a factor of "who's gonna win this?". But when you start by saying something like "ToD sent me this replay vs NaDa".. well I don't think ToD would send a replay of him losing, even for analytical purposes.
I loved the show Artosis, can't say I have any criticisms, the only being I'm sad that it ended. Both of the games were great, especially the Nada vs Tod one.
On February 14 2012 12:17 Durn wrote: If I could be critical of Artosis, it would have to be the apparent lack of preparation. During the Nonge/Nestea game, it just seemed like he was casting it and arbitrarily pausing to reflect on game decisions.
This is what happens when he doesn't spend 3 hours planning his 1 hour show. The good news is that he's such a good analyst that he can still say the right things about a game that he might be going through in depth for the first time.
@Artosis: You started off really slow then went into warp speed. I know it was b/c of the time situation but it caused you to scroll around the map really fast which was not friendly on the eyes.
Juan forgot combat shields and still beat Nestea...
I really liked commentary, I would have liked to see a bit more first person, rather then a spectator view the whole time, but other then that I will definitely tune in again.
I just wanted to say that your stream was pretty awesome, and in general I just wanted to give you some serious props for being so dedicated to learning the game. Your ability to analyze and spot strategies as they are coming and mistakes and general thought processes of professional gamers has greatly increased lately and it seems to have far surpassed other casters and commentators. Keep up the good work and dedication and thoroughness.
Maybe just do 1 game a day (maybe 1 match up a week or something?) and watch it before hand so you know what the cool bits/important parts are. :D love it though artosis :D
I think the Artosis Hour should have a little pause every once in a while throughout the replay to check and answer questions on the certain situation of the replay/game. Or maybe just after each game/replay. That would definitely make the show more viewer interactive.
Artosis is a sick nerd baller he knows what the heck hes talking about, Ill totally watch his stream. I would like to see more korean players rather than eu, because it would be more interesting because there's no other episode like that.
On February 14 2012 12:17 Durn wrote: If I could be critical of Artosis, it would have to be the apparent lack of preparation. During the Nonge/Nestea game, it just seemed like he was casting it and arbitrarily pausing to reflect on game decisions.
He uses lots of "ifs" and "maybes" and "probablys" where it begins to feel like he hasn't necessarily watched the replay or anything. I know the unfortunate comparison is Day[9], so I guess it bares mentioning that Day[9] ALWAYS knows what's coming and can explain how these things relate to the late-game (which he has seen).
For instance: Artosis will say things like "If Nestea is considering Broodlords later, this may be a good move." Day[9] will say things like "And this move makes sense, as Nestea moves towards the late game with Brood Lords in mind."
It just makes the analysis feel more solid and less on-the-fly. I know it's just the first episode (and it was really good, I obviously watched) but that's some constructive criticism. Overall, I enjoyed the episode!
What Artosis does however is show it from a players mindset. Just like the players playing the game, he doesn't know the outcome so what he does is explain the thought process and options a player might have in each situation, as well as giving explanations why a player does certain decisions.
The point doesn't seem to be to show "this is how a lingfestor player transitions into broodlords" (random example) but rather "this is how a player might think and plan out his game based on what he sees". Its like going into the players heads and I personally find it immensely helpful as it gives me new ideas and intricate defails that I might not have thought of myself.
On February 14 2012 12:22 betaflame wrote: I think the Artosis Hour should have a little pause every once in a while throughout the replay to check and answer questions on the certain situation of the replay/game. Or maybe just after each game/replay. That would definitely make the show more viewer interactive.
Overall, great show, thank you Artosis
yes and then we can get some professional graphics to show during the pauses, and sell t-shirts
no...artosis just wants to talk into a microphone about a replay he's watching and make us all smart. isn't that good enough?
I thought it was super interesting. You said you wanted some feedback so here is what I thought of it all. I must admit I missed the first part so if I say something you did I'll apologise now.
Maybe emphasise a few timings/counters a little more so if your going this new build you need to look out for this and this.
I like the way you showed at x time Nestea had seen this and this so could deduce from x/y/z. I think more commentators need to use the players point of view more.
Again during highly micro intense moments show what the players are trying to achieve with their control groups etc. So maybe view the fight from Tod's point of view show how he prioritised his storms over his forcefields (or whatever it is for this player and fight) and then show it from the other point of view. I think this would help improve veiwers micro and decision making.
Maybe when you miss a drop just go back and check it, just to check drones killed or anything else. Also when a player does drop, maybe you can explain their decisions regarding what to target, tech, drones, expansions or whatever.
Maybe make it have its own vod section (not sure how) so people in Eu can watch it/find it easily. (Maybe a thread on TL that you update with the twitch links)
Although as I said I really enjoyed it, learnt a fair chunk along with helping a student with a ruined sleeping pattern!
Also, I find it quite funny that the Artosis hour is 1 hour and 30 mins long...Would make for a perfect catch phrase like "The Artosis hour - Longer and better than your regular hour!"
On February 14 2012 12:17 Durn wrote: If I could be critical of Artosis, it would have to be the apparent lack of preparation. During the Nonge/Nestea game, it just seemed like he was casting it and arbitrarily pausing to reflect on game decisions.
He uses lots of "ifs" and "maybes" and "probablys" where it begins to feel like he hasn't necessarily watched the replay or anything. I know the unfortunate comparison is Day[9], so I guess it bares mentioning that Day[9] ALWAYS knows what's coming and can explain how these things relate to the late-game (which he has seen).
For instance: Artosis will say things like "If Nestea is considering Broodlords later, this may be a good move." Day[9] will say things like "And this move makes sense, as Nestea moves towards the late game with Brood Lords in mind."
It just makes the analysis feel more solid and less on-the-fly. I know it's just the first episode (and it was really good, I obviously watched) but that's some constructive criticism. Overall, I enjoyed the episode!
Keep in mind that Artosis is doing this when he has time. That should tell you everything you need to know about whether he is going to prepare by watching the replays or not.
Besides, I didn't feel his analysis to be lacking or less 'solid' at all by lack of preparation. I think it's just your personal preference... Which is fine; I just don't think it deserves the criticism.
My opinion is that Artosis will provide the best quality analysis if he ignores everything the viewers suggest and just does what is natural for him. After all, he will be most experienced at what is most natural and therefore give better insight that way. It's like, I dunno... asking Jimi Hendrix to play metal. He'll do it, and he'll do it well, but since it's not what he likes nor what he's experienced at it won't be as good as his blues/rock/fusion kinda stuff. The best quality music will come from him doing exactly what he wants to do.
This was awesome. His level of analysis is very insightful in small ways, with subtle differences. He seems to go so much more in depth on this show than he ever did after casting a game.
I caught a ton of information I had never really dwelled on, until I watched him analyze the games. Small things, That you sometimes think about while playing at a high level, but never really stop and really consider if it's actually good or bad. (like canceling an important unit like the prism from coming out while underneath the scan, or making small changes like switching your 4sentry drop into a 1 zealot drop depending on the other players unit movements)
On the subject of " preparation " by watching replays beforehand:
Personally I believe the analysis is more genuine if you are improvising and thinking about the situations on the fly instead of having a game plan already in mind going into it. That way we get to see how artosis' brain works more than just him explaining what happened during the game.
On February 14 2012 12:17 Durn wrote: If I could be critical of Artosis, it would have to be the apparent lack of preparation. During the Nonge/Nestea game, it just seemed like he was casting it and arbitrarily pausing to reflect on game decisions.
He uses lots of "ifs" and "maybes" and "probablys" where it begins to feel like he hasn't necessarily watched the replay or anything. I know the unfortunate comparison is Day[9], so I guess it bares mentioning that Day[9] ALWAYS knows what's coming and can explain how these things relate to the late-game (which he has seen).
For instance: Artosis will say things like "If Nestea is considering Broodlords later, this may be a good move." Day[9] will say things like "And this move makes sense, as Nestea moves towards the late game with Brood Lords in mind."
It just makes the analysis feel more solid and less on-the-fly. I know it's just the first episode (and it was really good, I obviously watched) but that's some constructive criticism. Overall, I enjoyed the episode!
The way Artosis is doing it is real and actually gives insight to decision making and the possibilities that can result from it.
The way Day9 does it is just so he can trick people into making them think he knows what he's talking about.
I really liked when you pointed out alternatives, highlighting the strengths and weaknesses of certain decisions and what not. You did this in the Nestea game ("should have pulled back and kept his flock alive"), but I felt you could have pointed out what Nada could have done to really take that game. In that game you were highlighting the good things that each player was doing, but not really pointing out how they should ideally play it.
If you can get some tournament replays, that would be gravy too. Analyzing games from some of these weekly tournaments would be real nice, especially the ones with more modern maps.
I have no criticisms the show was awesome, the only thing is that when there's a lot of jerky motion on the screen it constantly changes the quality of the stream which kinda makes me motion sick. If you could just move the screen in a more deliberate controlled manner that'd help. It's probably hard to do that and continue your train of thought though, I know when I watch replays I'm all over the place too.
Really prefered watching you play and critiqueing yourself. It seperated you from all the other casters analyzing replays day9 style and not putting their mouse where their mouth is, but this is better than no artosis, thanks.
Nice man, very nice, I love artosis casting skills and him paired with tasteless is just an unmatched pair of casters! Will def. be looking forward to seeing this as I love you're analysis, gl hf !
I will not miss the show when its on but I think the games you showed were kinda meh. I think if you pick and watch replays before the show will be more awesome ( because in game 2 the T forgot about his shield upgrade whole game i think if you have seen that before you would have not chosen this game and would be not amazed how 3 fungals killed 80supply of marines) and can you pick also only KRs games. Why because KR's are the leading pack and we can might learn new awesome stuff from them. Also there are litttle reps from them and its hard to catch on the new builds and fancy stuff that we see in GSL. Anyway great first show i will love to watch more.
On February 14 2012 12:17 ZenithM wrote: Loving what Artosis is providing for this show. I would like it however if the replays were not only given by foreigners to show off their game against a very well known korean player :D Otherwise great show.
I don't think koreans are very forthcoming with their own replays
Sorry, I guess I meant "showing off their wins against koreans". Not like I disapprove of wanting to only give replays of one's own wins, it's understandable, but it kills it a bit if we know in advance the outcome of the game. Like the Juan vs Nestea game, I guessed Juan wins from the start and I was basically waiting to see why. When Nestea crushed his army with 160 supply vs 120, I knew Nestea was about to make a terrible mistake, it would have been nice not to.
But it's very minor, I mean, we're here to listen to Artosis' analysis, not enjoy the suspense of the game.
Edit: Also, I like only replays from KR. That's just the highest level of play right now.
Very nice show for a first episode; I can't wait to see another! It was rather reminiscent of Day[9]'s BW dailies where he pretty much just analysed the match and I would prefer that over his current style (which is quite good and I still watch sometimes). I will definitely tune in more!
If you can spare the time it would be very nice to have a Q&A time about the game(s) on Twitter or the dreaded stream chat! :D
Artosis, Artosis, Artosis. Buddy I love you, and Tasteless... I love that you know how to play the game.... You are a great caster, and Starcraft 2 is your life... Now with that said.... Could you please just pick 1 idea for a show and do that to full... I enjoy all your shows so i will continue to watch, but i would also love to keep on seing some of your other ideas in the entirety :D....
Great! Thanks for all that you do. I hope you get the regular stream up and running again, I find it very useful to watch a game, thinking through the decisions I would make in the positions you're in, and then to listen to you explain your own decision making process. This also sounds excellent, though; I'll definitely be spending today's lunch break checking it out :D
Awsome show Artosis! Since you asked for feedback I thought I would leave a tidbit.
I REALLY liked the first game, all the litte intricacies you pointed out, such as the obs watching the army movement for the ramp and third, NaDa's 3rd base location based on Tod's composition, the warp prism cancel etc. All of which was uber interesting, and I play Zerg, so I don't particularly care about the TvP MU.
However the second game was kinda lackluster, it seemed the only big thing / lesson to take away from it was that Nestea thought, he could kinda end the game, or at least do crippling damage with the movement into Nonge's territory, which he actually couldn't, and then he lost a bunch of shit and was put stupidly far behind where he should have been.
Idk if you have the time for much prep work and/or where you get replays, but more games with lots of subtleties for you to explain would be really awsome imo.
On February 14 2012 12:17 Durn wrote: If I could be critical of Artosis, it would have to be the apparent lack of preparation. During the Nonge/Nestea game, it just seemed like he was casting it and arbitrarily pausing to reflect on game decisions.
He uses lots of "ifs" and "maybes" and "probablys" where it begins to feel like he hasn't necessarily watched the replay or anything. I know the unfortunate comparison is Day[9], so I guess it bares mentioning that Day[9] ALWAYS knows what's coming and can explain how these things relate to the late-game (which he has seen).
For instance: Artosis will say things like "If Nestea is considering Broodlords later, this may be a good move." Day[9] will say things like "And this move makes sense, as Nestea moves towards the late game with Brood Lords in mind."
It just makes the analysis feel more solid and less on-the-fly. I know it's just the first episode (and it was really good, I obviously watched) but that's some constructive criticism. Overall, I enjoyed the episode!
I'm pretty sure Artosis' "on-the-fly" analysis is as good as it gets. You're forgetting he's used to doing this all the time, since it's you know.... his job as a GSL caster. You're being critical in the wrong areas, Artosis doesn't have the time to prepare like Day9 and is still more than capable of doing this, so you can't draw comparisons between the two.
This was really a great show, thanks so much! I would really enjoy seeing more analysis of games that run into the late game. Every game has an opening, but really long macro games are still the exception to the rule, so there is simply a lot less late-game analysis out there to help us lower-level players learn the ins and outs of the endgame. Thanks!
This reminds me more of the early Brood War Day9 dailies. I know Day9 has changed his style a bit since then, and he focuses more on teaching a broader variety of levels of player - so his dailies sometimes don't get quite as nitpicky as they used to since a lot of his audience isn't going to make good use of very fine grained details. I don't begrudge day9 his changes, but I am glad to see Artosis carrying the torch here.
So basically since Day[9] is your sworn arch nemesis from yall's Brood War days and since you two no longer compete in that way, you are now challenging his community throne via replay analysis and commentary/entertainment. I see what you did there and you're not fooling anybody!!
jk jk <3333
I think its a great idea and I'm really looking forward to it. <3 Day[9] but I'm hoping what you are doing will be more serious business hardcore analysis.
It's so awesome, i used to watch Day9 but over time he slowly switched from deep analysis (which he still does) to more and more "fun" topics. I'm ok with that, that's not a bad choice considering his audience, so i understand him.
I'm just a bit nostalgic from the BW Day9 Daylies, his tone was more serious and he was focused on what he was doing, i mean now, everytime he chokes on water (like every episode) he spend like 3 minutes laughing and explaining what happened in details... and this type of stuff happens for all sorts of things (seat squeaking, pen falling... etc). I have to admit that now i can't bear his somewhat "cheerfulness exagerations". I mean it's cool to see him happy, but i can't stand these clownings/antics anymore '~'.
I just hope Artosis will fulfill my hopes and overhype every player he features ! :D
im glad it's 11 KST... otherwise it would coincide with day9 daily and then split the viewer base (although more might tune in for artosis's grad school lessons)
I specially liked how Artosis explained decisions in amazing detail in the first episode. Like how Tod's army position was specific to prevent this or that, and it's standing here cause over there this or that is going to happen, and he took his time and went back every time something needed further explanation. I also love how he didn't see the replay beforehand.
A++++ Stream! Down and dirty and to the point. I love day9, but sometimes he loves to tell stories and I occasionally drift off. I prefer the 1 hour hardcore analysis with maybe a few jokes and we’re done. Easier for me to maintain my focus.
I like the idea, since day9 started doing monobattles/funday mondays/other games and other casual stuff instead of good analyze, but I don't like to get ads flooded, and artosis is abusing "commercial" button every time I watch his stream, I understand 1-2 ads between games but spaming keeps me away from his stream.
Got a chance to watch The Artosis Hour this morning and I really enjoyed it! The analysis was spot on and very informative. For example, I would have completely missed ToD's scanned WP cancellation. My only criticism would be that it seems rushed, which is understandable considering Artosis' work schedule and family life. To end, I would be completely satisfied with the show as it is as long as it is put out on a regular basis.
Silver/Gold over here but still enjoyed watching the Vod, can't implement much in my own play but I still think it's great. A bit more indepth than day9 it felt like which is nice.
A nice first episode, but a tiny bit more preparation would be nice, like watching through the replays you analyze a few more times to get it really spot on! I will tune in for more either way! Keep it up!
i was actually impressed at how much this man knows and understands about this game. Now i'm 100% sure that he's the most knowledgeable caster. good work Dan
On February 15 2012 08:44 ToD wrote: i was actually impressed at how much this man knows and understands about this game. Now i'm 100% sure that he's the most knowledgeable caster. good work Dan
I rarely think something is op, but i was seriously considering saving the style nada was pulling of on shakuras as op in my head. I was flabergasted about how calm you stayed over the whole match. <3 your style
1 hour felt a little short actually since you analyze the replays pretty well and it takes time to analyze something that is over 1 hour so That's why it felt so short. Otherwise ur awesome Artosis. Keep up the good work <3 ~
Artosis! Do you think maybe in the future you could do seperate interviews with the players that you are analyzing? It doesn't need to be included in the Artosis hour but just as stand alone content. Thanks!
On February 15 2012 11:21 sermokala wrote: this is so amazing. speed warp prism that both Koreans are using. AND some crazy 2 immo vs 4 stalkers to try to snipe the warp prism.
warp prisim is 1 shot away from dieing... barely gets a mention, artosis stay gangster.
Gotta try myself some of that speed prism play looks so awesome.
one piece of feedback and request: your mouse cursor is hidden while streaming (i think its just a simple xsplit toggle). would be nice to have it not hidden.
First time tuning in and I really enjoyed it. I could listen to Artosis explain StarCraft forever. I can't think of any particular feedback other than, I think you do such a good job describing what you are watching that I actually for times had you on in the background while I was doing other things and I could tell almost exactly what was happening based on what you were saying.
I don't want to make crass comparisons to the D9D, but I really think that you offer a unique take on the theme and I think I get value watching both so I'll definitely be watching for future episodes.
Really great show, and great analysis, I like how you comment both sides of the fight.
One suggestion, I noticed during the end of the first one, I think you were trying to highlight things on the screen with the mouse, but your mouse doesn't show. Not sure if it's just me, but I don't see your mouse cursor so it was a bit confusing to figure out what you were trying to point out. Great job nonetheless. Hope to see more!
Dear Artosis, as I will no longer be watching the Day[9] Daily as his content is lacking significantly in terms of quality compared to yours and my innate preference to hearing your commentary, I am left with one request. Make the content available on iTunes or in some form similar, so that if I am awful enough to miss an episode, I can catch back up easily, as the twitch.tv player is horrid.
Artosis, I am loving your hour and I am loving even more that it goes over :D
Excellent show today. I really like how you analyze and predict whats going to happen in the replays -- really shows how much you understand about the game.
Artosis is pretty awesome . One thing a lot of people were saying in chat, can you create an overlay to cover up the Replay Timer at the mid-right of the screen? That spoils the experience for some people.
Hey, Artosis, I really love the show. I think one of my favorite things is that you don't prewatch the replays and try to predict what will happen based on what you see each player doing. That way, it's really cool when it works out like you predict, but then you can illuminate some subtlety if things go a different route. I also really enjoy that you not only point out why something a player does is good, but also why something he doesn't do is bad, like what you said tonight about Observer Speed. I think it teaches more understanding of the game rather than understanding of the current metagame, which I really love
So Artosis just reviewed a replay between Hero and another Protoss. I was wondering where i could download the replay file. Thanks in advanced for the help!
On February 15 2012 12:19 Slardar wrote: Artosis is pretty awesome . One thing a lot of people were saying in chat, can you create an overlay to cover up the Replay Timer at the mid-right of the screen? That spoils the experience for some people.
I like seeing it actually it lets me know how much more there is to learn. If I see an attack coming and I can see the game keeps going I know someone is defending well and can learn a lot
On February 15 2012 12:19 Scrubington wrote: So Artosis just reviewed a replay between Hero and another Protoss. I was wondering where i could download the replay file. Thanks in advanced for the help!
Just in case anybody else enjoyed this PvP as much as I did, I found the replay pack HERE is the link. It was InorifOu versus HerO. The best PvP I've ever seen, period.
On February 15 2012 12:16 Hossinaut wrote: Dear Artosis, as I will no longer be watching the Day[9] Daily as his content is lacking significantly in terms of quality compared to yours and my innate preference to hearing your commentary, I am left with one request. Make the content available on iTunes or in some form similar, so that if I am awful enough to miss an episode, I can catch back up easily, as the twitch.tv player is horrid.
Artosis, I am loving your hour and I am loving even more that it goes over :D
On February 15 2012 12:19 Slardar wrote: Artosis is pretty awesome . One thing a lot of people were saying in chat, can you create an overlay to cover up the Replay Timer at the mid-right of the screen? That spoils the experience for some people.
I like seeing it actually it lets me know how much more there is to learn. If I see an attack coming and I can see the game keeps going I know someone is defending well and can learn a lot
I'm under the notion Artosis is generally aiming to choose lengthy replays to go over, so you know there will be a decent chunk of learning per replay. For the viewers wanting to watch it as a game with analysis it ruins it for them though. Can go both ways, I'm neutral on the matter myself.
People should really stop comparing the Day9 Daily and the Artosis Hour because they're quite different. Although both of them are gameplay analysis, Day9 focuses on a specific topic for an entire daily. Artosis just analyzes a replay or two and explains why a player does something and the reasoning behind certain maneuvers and builds. Also, for the people who say the daily is focused for noobs, SC2 has more casual and noobie players. But, I love both of Day9 and Artosis and I don't see why people think that the shows are competing with one another.
Well, that was actually very good analysis. I watched the whole thing and I don't play terran or protoss or know anything about the interaction between them. The second game analysis was considerably less, but I'm assuming you were just hurrying because you were short on time. Please keep it up. I'm serious. If you just let this die like you did with the imbalance show I would be sorely disappointed.
So nice to have analysis that's not incredibly obvious to anyone that's played more than a dozen games above platinum. Thanks for the show, Artosis, very entertaining stuff. :c
I love the way the games are dissected piece by piece, so cool! This show just fills the void of a critical analysis show that is needed so much. After you graduate from the Day[9] school of starcraft, you enter the artosis college of starcraft :D
Always great analysis and commentary coming from Artosis... it's a work of Art :D
Love the new show, haven't been able to watch the GSL so anything with you or Tasteless is quite amazing. Definitely a unique brand of analysis, it's extremely thorough and unbiased. Need more of it!
On February 15 2012 12:16 phanto wrote: man don't worry about going over the hour. just call it "the artosis show" and do 2x replays and let it take the time it does.
great show tonight by the way.
i echo this.
if you're serious about this show and enjoy doing it then don't restrict yourself to the hour and keep it anywhere between 1 and 2 hours imo.
On February 15 2012 13:54 Arcanne wrote: Pretty high quality analysis. Much higher level than Day9.
Don't know if that is really necessary...
What? It is higher level than Day9. Day was regarded as the highest level of analysis in a show, and now Artosis's show trumps that, so it is necessary and relevant to the premise of this show. Even though the comparison of the shows is stupid to begin with, it should be obvious that Day's show has shifted gears from its bw/beta days.
I downloaded that Hero replay pack when it came out to learn from it. Hero is amazing! I really tried to analyze what he was doing myself but I didn't really learn much since he is so fast and does so much at once, all I could do is watch the games. But watching tonight's show helped a ton. So informative and now I know what to look at when I am watching replays. I enjoy this show and hope it keeps up! Thank you!
This show is fantastic, nice work Artosis! I agree with the "Day[9] school graduating to Artosis college." I suppose that makes the first day Professor Artosis analyzing "The Professor" Nestea.
I like the attention to detail in the Nada ToD game and your analysis of it, but you should know that Protoss is super ahead late game so long games where Protoss wins are kinda lame. How can you not notice that ToD got outplayed but still won due to the imbalance of Protoss late game? I would suggest you to find a way to beat Protoos late game rather than show overpowered strategies and claim them to be skill. I think we are witnessing another Artosis bias, this time he plays the EZ race so it's all fine, when he played Terran in BW he was a really funny guy.
On February 15 2012 18:33 50bani wrote: I like the attention to detail in the Nada ToD game and your analysis of it, but you should know that Protoss is super ahead late game so long games where Protoss wins are kinda lame. How can you not notice that ToD got outplayed but still won due to the imbalance of Protoss late game? I would suggest you to find a way to beat Protoos late game rather than show overpowered strategies and claim them to be skill. I think we are witnessing another Artosis bias, this time he plays the EZ race so it's all fine, when he played Terran in BW he was a really funny guy.
The focus for this show is strategy, not imbalance. He already has the 'Imbalanced' show (that he may or may not continue). Get your balance whining out of the thread.
I love this show. It's like Day9's Daily but at a higher level. While I'm a noob player I've been around long enough that I can easily understand the concepts that Artosis talks about. It's quite a fun thing to pair up with Day9's stuff. Here's hoping he can get it up on Youtube, but until then, Twitch archives ftw!
EDIT: lol, just read the entry post again. I am dumb.
Hey Artosis Do you plan to upload your shows to Youtube? Would be much more easy to access them! Or update your entry post with the direct links to the episodes?
Oh damn it, I missed on this! I was on my ER shift yesterday, just got out of it... I'm one of your admins and I didn't even know this, I feel so bad for not being there yesterday! I hate being on shift, I lose track of everything going on in the real world because of the workload when I'm on the ER
It's so cool that you decided to do this, Dan. I'm glad someone is finally doing some high-level analysis again, and that of all people, it's you who's doing it. :D I'll be there whenever I can to mod the stream's chat... When I'm not trapped at the hospital treating patients at the ER like yesterday, of course. Much love, dude.
P.S: If you have any questions or trouble regarding VODs upload to Youtube, don't hesitate on PMing me. I also upload VODS and analysis for my own daily show, so if you have any doubts, I'll do my best to help.
On February 16 2012 00:09 Jeffkeuh wrote: Its on at 3am where I live
As is it in 90% of Europe
TwitchTV has VODs clearly marked. It's not like it's live game that loses it's spark. It's to help you improve. Not sure when it's live really affects this in any significant way?
On February 15 2012 18:33 50bani wrote: I like the attention to detail in the Nada ToD game and your analysis of it, but you should know that Protoss is super ahead late game so long games where Protoss wins are kinda lame. How can you not notice that ToD got outplayed but still won due to the imbalance of Protoss late game? I would suggest you to find a way to beat Protoos late game rather than show overpowered strategies and claim them to be skill. I think we are witnessing another Artosis bias, this time he plays the EZ race so it's all fine, when he played Terran in BW he was a really funny guy.
User was warned for this post
Artosis didn't confirm my own ideas about balance so I called him biased.
Anyone know when this is back on? Is it weekly or..
On February 15 2012 18:33 50bani wrote: I like the attention to detail in the Nada ToD game and your analysis of it, but you should know that Protoss is super ahead late game so long games where Protoss wins are kinda lame. How can you not notice that ToD got outplayed but still won due to the imbalance of Protoss late game? I would suggest you to find a way to beat Protoos late game rather than show overpowered strategies and claim them to be skill. I think we are witnessing another Artosis bias, this time he plays the EZ race so it's all fine, when he played Terran in BW he was a really funny guy.
User was warned for this post
Artosis didn't confirm my own ideas about balance so I called him biased.
Anyone know when this is back on? Is it weekly or..
So far its slated as daily now whether this means M-F or 4 days or what I am not sure. I could care less how often it is as long as he doesn't stop it like he did his other shows. That would make me pretty sad actually.
On February 16 2012 00:09 Jeffkeuh wrote: Its on at 3am where I live
As is it in 90% of Europe
TwitchTV has VODs clearly marked. It's not like it's live game that loses it's spark. It's to help you improve. Not sure when it's live really affects this in any significant way?
It's always more fun to watch things live. There's a sense of urgency to it, it's easier to sit down and watch something live than it is to sit through a vod at a later date...
This is a really cool idea, kudos to you for providing us with such quality content. Uploading the VODs to Youtube and adding a link to each episode in the OP would help a ton since TwitchTV's VOD system is kinda iffy.
I just hope you stick with the idea because your analysis is always top-notch.
This is great, my favorite day9 episodes are always the ones that cut out the funday stuff and just do pure high level analysis, will definitely be watching the Artosis Hour as much as possible. Yesterday watched a Her0 pvp that was very informative just gotta love how this guy analyzes stuff.
Would be great to analyze replays of the new maps in ladder pool and how they play out in the zerg matchups, how you have to adapt, what are the dangers, stuff like that.
On February 15 2012 18:33 50bani wrote: I like the attention to detail in the Nada ToD game and your analysis of it, but you should know that Protoss is super ahead late game so long games where Protoss wins are kinda lame. How can you not notice that ToD got outplayed but still won due to the imbalance of Protoss late game? I would suggest you to find a way to beat Protoos late game rather than show overpowered strategies and claim them to be skill. I think we are witnessing another Artosis bias, this time he plays the EZ race so it's all fine, when he played Terran in BW he was a really funny guy.
User was warned for this post
Artosis didn't confirm my own ideas about balance so I called him biased.
Anyone know when this is back on? Is it weekly or..
So far its slated as daily now whether this means M-F or 4 days or what I am not sure. I could care less how often it is as long as he doesn't stop it like he did his other shows. That would make me pretty sad actually.
He's going to cancel the show in a couple of months when the Ascension final comes around.
Some really good episodes so far, it would be nice if you would put links in your post to the episodes like Day[9] did before he got his webpage plus matchups / player names in the title of the video.
This is freaking awesome. That was possibly the deepest analysis I've ever seen, not even Day9 way back when he wasn't this popular, where there wasn't things like funday mondays etc. wasn't doing this kind of analysis. It was really exciting to watch that, I loved the serious tone of Artosis compared to the half-cheerful and half-serious tone of Day9.
The two shows are different and are both great in their own ways, and we don't even know if AH will continue, but from what I can see, that was impressive. Great work and quality analysis, Artosis ftw!
On February 16 2012 06:36 Bleak wrote: This is freaking awesome. That was possibly the deepest analysis I've ever seen, not even Day9 way back when he wasn't this popular, where there wasn't things like funday mondays etc. wasn't doing this kind of analysis. It was really exciting to watch that, I loved the serious tone of Artosis compared to the half-cheerful and half-serious tone of Day9.
The two shows are different and are both great in their own ways, and we don't even know if AH will continue, but from what I can see, that was impressive. Great work and quality analysis, Artosis ftw!
I don't think I agree. Day[9] does go into extremely deep analysis at times (too much for some people). I'd agree they are just different. I think Artosis's PoV is slightly more of a players perspective while I think Day[9] tries to cover more of a big picture of how to get better.
Its so awesome when Artosis pauses the replays and explains 1 or 2 things that are going to happen next and why (especially during battles when decisions are made with reactions in game, often though those decisions are thought out and discussed with peers before hand so that making that reaction is instinctive). Nobody does this as well as Artosis, frankly he gives me Nerd Chills. Almost everytime he pauses the game to explain whats gonna happen next I know he is right or the players are playing incorrectly. <As funny as that sounds (his analysis is of the best players in the world but he still has to criticize), I think its true.
The title makes it sound like this show should be Artosis in a robe, smoking a pipe in front of a fire about to narrate some SC2 fiction in a British accent. Cool stuff anyway ^_^
I caught the episode last night. The entire second half of that PvT my jaw was pretty much dropped. I still don't know how hero pulled that off. I really like the more in-depth nature of the analysis that Artosis does. I think it's nice to see the difference between Day9 and Artosis. Even though they kinda fill different niches I still like listening to both just because they're both good and it's pretty nice to get different perspectives on analysis. At least as someone who is still learning to analyze the game it's nice to get a taste o different methods of doing the same thing.
Does anyone know if Artosis posts or says anywhere what the topic of each daily is? I don't really have time to watch them all so it'd be nice to know ahead of time whether to make time for a daily or not.
On February 16 2012 07:08 Darthsanta13 wrote: I caught the episode last night. The entire second half of that PvT my jaw was pretty much dropped. I still don't know how hero pulled that off. I really like the more in-depth nature of the analysis that Artosis does. I think it's nice to see the difference between Day9 and Artosis. Even though they kinda fill different niches I still like listening to both just because they're both good and it's pretty nice to get different perspectives on analysis. At least as someone who is still learning to analyze the game it's nice to get a taste o different methods of doing the same thing.
Does anyone know if Artosis posts or says anywhere what the topic of each daily is? I don't really have time to watch them all so it'd be nice to know ahead of time whether to make time for a daily or not.
No he doesnt post it but we will figure out as a community I'm sure When he learns to put it on youtube he will probably title them
My favourite part is always when you say "this game is making me so happy", haha.
General feedback: - You tend to spend a lot of time on the first replay, and not so much on the second. This might just be due to the length of games + time restraints but I've noticed this in both shows. - You do still move the camera around loads - I don't personally mind but some other people might - Try not to go into play-by-play mode!
I'm hard pressed to find anything other than those, which are mainly nit picking... I LOVE THIS SHOW. Hope this continues!
Please dont feel the need to 'slow' things down camera wise. Do what is comfortable and natural for yourself. If you're going too fast for people to realize, perhaps they will have to rewind a few times but thats what video is for.
Checking how long the replays you're going to do are before the show, without actually watching the match, will help in making sure you have enough time and don't rush the second replay, I think.
Amazing show. But if some feedback is needed: 1) 3 protoss in a row? Race imbalance. 2) The little Q&A you did in the beginning of ep 01 was great, so maybe you could dedicate some time at the end or the start to answer stream questions.
On February 16 2012 09:30 phfantunes wrote: Amazing show. But if some feedback is needed: 1) 3 protoss in a row? Race imbalance. 2) The little Q&A you did in the beginning of ep 01 was great, so maybe you could dedicate some time at the end or the start to answer stream questions.
Oh shut up you.
Obviously he's going to go really, really in depth with Protoss. It's the very beginning of this thing, he'll do Zerg and Terran just as much. It does have a bit of a home team Protoss feel, but what do you expect? And who cares? Keep your friends close and your enemy races closer.
Watched bit of both episodes and was impressed with the level of analysis. Keep it up.
As to people comparing this to the Day9 Daily: I feel that the Daily wants to combine analysis with entertainment (except on mondays) whereas this is only aimed at analysis.
On February 16 2012 09:30 phfantunes wrote: Amazing show. But if some feedback is needed: 1) 3 protoss in a row? Race imbalance. 2) The little Q&A you did in the beginning of ep 01 was great, so maybe you could dedicate some time at the end or the start to answer stream questions.
I think the reason it is protoss replays is because Artosis plays protoss himself so its kind of like sharing what he does for himself with us ya know?
On February 16 2012 09:35 Shingebiss wrote: This is just an unentertaining and less refined rip-off of the Day9 Daily.
This is the Day9 Daily before he tried to turn himself into a celebrity.
nothing wrong with what day9 is doing, just look at the amount of viewers he has! I liked his earlier shows better too, but its obvious that the majority prefers the type of show he has now..
I like it.Simple straight up analysis.With very nice game selection.Keep it up.What you do in artosis hour seems very simple but very few people have the knowledge and love of the game you have.I still would like to see you ladder some more.
On February 16 2012 09:35 Shingebiss wrote: This is just an unentertaining and less refined rip-off of the Day9 Daily.
This is the Day9 Daily before he tried to turn himself into a celebrity.
nothing wrong with what day9 is doing, just look at the amount of viewers he has! I liked his earlier shows better too, but its obvious that the majority prefers the type of show he has now..
Why do you even have to compare these 2.Both offer a quality product and are very well-spoken people who have great understanding of the game.Maybe they are the most knowledgable people besides the current pro-gamers(if you hear lastshadow talking in his vlog about tvp your mind will be blown with the immense depth).
ITT fanboys who want to continue to live vicariously through Artosis' perceived successful image, but in reality understand how generic and worthless his commentary really is. There are thousands upon thousands of other people in master's league throughout all the servers that have an equal or greater understanding and insight into Starcraft. If Artosis actually took his own advice then maybe he'd be less of a failure when he plays. Open your eyes and see your idols on the toilet.
On February 16 2012 10:46 Shingebiss wrote: ITT fanboys who want to continue to live vicariously through Artosis' perceived successful image, but in reality understand how generic and worthless his commentary really is. There are thousands upon thousands of other people in master's league throughout all the servers that have an equal or greater understanding and insight into Starcraft. If Artosis actually took his own advice then maybe he'd be less of a failure when he plays. Open your eyes and see your idols on the toilet.
Uhhhh....
And what is your opinion towards Day[9]?
Personally, I like both, and chances are, if they're in masters, it's because they're better than ~98% of the community.
Get your sour grapes away from my beautiful idols. </3
This reminds me alot of the older BW day9 dailys, highly enjoyable and artosis really knows his starcraft, watched first episode on vod and 2nd one live even if it was rather late! Looking forward to the third one :p
I love Day9 but its difficult to watch his dailies because he tailors much of it to lower level players, but with the artosis show we need tasteless to make his own so we can have a 3 step program to becoming a pro.
Step 1: Day9 dailies for those who are becoming interested in SC2
Step 2: Tasteless commentary on everything SC2 related
Artosis' understanding of the metagame is really impressive. He just described the exact situation I keep losing PvP on ladder games, where my blink/obs opening doesn't do enough damage against a fast expand and I die to the immortal counter attack.
On February 16 2012 10:46 Shingebiss wrote: ITT fanboys who want to continue to live vicariously through Artosis' perceived successful image, but in reality understand how generic and worthless his commentary really is. There are thousands upon thousands of other people in master's league throughout all the servers that have an equal or greater understanding and insight into Starcraft. If Artosis actually took his own advice then maybe he'd be less of a failure when he plays. Open your eyes and see your idols on the toilet.
Artosis' abilities as a gamer and his analysis are not equal. Artosis has good level knowledge, is highly articulate and is able to express himself clearly and concisely.
Trying to take a shit on one of the best casters the game has and a good player is just sad.
EDIT: Just reread your totally lame comment. Thousands in Masters league who have equal to or greaterunderstanding and insight? Masters no, equal no, greater definitely not, and thousands of others who have understanding and insight? Maybe but the overwhelming majority can't express themselves like Artosis does and almost all don't. Your comment is really useless.
Are you going to be putting the majority of your effort into breaking down Protoss play? or will you mix in the other races? Not knocking the show or anything just a question.
On February 16 2012 11:28 RmoteCntrld wrote: Are you going to be putting the majority of your effort into breaking down Protoss play? or will you mix in the other races? Not knocking the show or anything just a question.
he said he didnt have time to plan tonight so he threw on another Hero one
Is the intention of the timing to take viewers away from Day[9]? I don't understand.. Why wouldn't he schedule it for an hour earlier or just after the most popular daily show..
On February 16 2012 11:53 teacash wrote: Is the intention of the timing to take viewers away from Day[9]? I don't understand.. Why wouldn't he schedule it for an hour earlier or just after the most popular daily show..
He's probably just doing the show at the time that is most convenient for him.
Should always have his old content after it's broadcast.
He may also be doing it at the time of the Day9 Daily because he knows people are active on TL at that time. Both Artosis and Day9 have VoD's, so you can still watch both. VoD is better IMO, no ads :D
On February 16 2012 11:53 teacash wrote: Is the intention of the timing to take viewers away from Day[9]? I don't understand.. Why wouldn't he schedule it for an hour earlier or just after the most popular daily show..
He does start an hour earlier than day9 doesn't he? Day9 is at 7 pm and Artosis does this at 6 pm. Is that right or have I misunderstood these us timethingys? :p But I suppose the Artosishour is a bit longer than an hour and therefore it will overlap a bit.
On February 16 2012 11:53 teacash wrote: Is the intention of the timing to take viewers away from Day[9]? I don't understand.. Why wouldn't he schedule it for an hour earlier or just after the most popular daily show..
He does start an hour earlier than day9 doesn't he? Day9 is at 7 pm and Artosis does this at 6 pm. Is that right or have I misunderstood these us timethingys? :p But I suppose the Artosishour is a bit longer than an hour and therefore it will overlap a bit.
oh does he? my bad.
Changes in DST here but not in korea always throw me off
On February 16 2012 10:46 Shingebiss wrote: ITT fanboys who want to continue to live vicariously through Artosis' perceived successful image, but in reality understand how generic and worthless his commentary really is. There are thousands upon thousands of other people in master's league throughout all the servers that have an equal or greater understanding and insight into Starcraft. If Artosis actually took his own advice then maybe he'd be less of a failure when he plays. Open your eyes and see your idols on the toilet.
Artosis' abilities as a gamer and his analysis are not equal. Artosis has good level knowledge, is highly articulate and is able to express himself clearly and concisely.
Trying to take a shit on one of the best casters the game has and a good player is just sad.
EDIT: Just reread your totally lame comment. Thousands in Masters league who have equal to or greaterunderstanding and insight? Masters no, equal no, greater definitely not, and thousands of others who have understanding and insight? Maybe but the overwhelming majority can't express themselves like Artosis does and almost all don't. Your comment is really useless.
Don't get so booty wounded when I knock your nerd deity down a peg you scrub-a-dub-dub.
On February 16 2012 10:46 Shingebiss wrote: ITT fanboys who want to continue to live vicariously through Artosis' perceived successful image, but in reality understand how generic and worthless his commentary really is. There are thousands upon thousands of other people in master's league throughout all the servers that have an equal or greater understanding and insight into Starcraft. If Artosis actually took his own advice then maybe he'd be less of a failure when he plays. Open your eyes and see your idols on the toilet.
Artosis' abilities as a gamer and his analysis are not equal. Artosis has good level knowledge, is highly articulate and is able to express himself clearly and concisely.
Trying to take a shit on one of the best casters the game has and a good player is just sad.
EDIT: Just reread your totally lame comment. Thousands in Masters league who have equal to or greaterunderstanding and insight? Masters no, equal no, greater definitely not, and thousands of others who have understanding and insight? Maybe but the overwhelming majority can't express themselves like Artosis does and almost all don't. Your comment is really useless.
Don't get so booty wounded when I knock your nerd deity down a peg you scrub-a-dub-dub.
trololol, banhammer inc. Loving the new show artosis, keep it up!
On February 16 2012 10:46 Shingebiss wrote: ITT fanboys who want to continue to live vicariously through Artosis' perceived successful image, but in reality understand how generic and worthless his commentary really is. There are thousands upon thousands of other people in master's league throughout all the servers that have an equal or greater understanding and insight into Starcraft. If Artosis actually took his own advice then maybe he'd be less of a failure when he plays. Open your eyes and see your idols on the toilet.
Artosis' abilities as a gamer and his analysis are not equal. Artosis has good level knowledge, is highly articulate and is able to express himself clearly and concisely.
Trying to take a shit on one of the best casters the game has and a good player is just sad.
EDIT: Just reread your totally lame comment. Thousands in Masters league who have equal to or greaterunderstanding and insight? Masters no, equal no, greater definitely not, and thousands of others who have understanding and insight? Maybe but the overwhelming majority can't express themselves like Artosis does and almost all don't. Your comment is really useless.
Don't get so booty wounded when I knock your nerd deity down a peg you scrub-a-dub-dub.
Artosis has been a part of the competitive SC scene since the dinosaurs, and he has probably watched and played more Starcraft in general then most foreigners. You may disagree with him and that is fine, but your troll post for attention is so off base it is mind boggling.
The new show is awesome, sorta like Day[9] daily, but a little "higher level" if that makes sense, like just more to the point, which is nice, rather than explaining the things that seem sort of apparent to people who understand it already. Basically it's a simple "analysis" show, which is nice... I don't know why I put quotes there, but it was natural so I'll leave em... anyways keep it up, and look forward to seeing more ^_^
thanks for answering my question (I'm xDai) and for the great show, always a pleasure to have you commentate.
i just noticed my numbers where wrong (forgot about the 2x(+5) bonus against light), so 4 (including the lifting one) would be enough to one-shot, probably the 5th is just gotten to have more energy, like you said.
on the other hand the argument with 1 or two is still viable, ofc one would reduce it's viability to just scouting, but with the second one would need to kill at least 2 mules to make it worthwhile. 5 is probably to much if it doesnt kill at least one or two medivacs, as seen in the second game, where hero just played from behind from the start and as a result neither could play aggressive, nor expand early.
i think he went not for colossus in the 2nd game because what robos in the beginning kinda do is get observers out, which is not necessary if hero still has the phoenixes for scouting. also colossus+phoenixes just gets hard-countered by early medivac-stim-pushes, since robo->robo-bay->colossus just takes way more time after stargate than starport.
do you think that some kind of storm+warp-prism (including more gateways) would have been more helpful than the colossus-tech? on the one hand asd had many emps, on the other hand asd expanded pretty fast and had his army most of the time on hero's side of the map, so some kind of zealot-drop could have been helpful. it's not like colossus was bad by any means, but it wasnt enough and colossus are expensive overall, while temps could have freed the minerals necessary for a fourth base which was necessary for getting back in the game.
Artosis, I was only able to watch half an hour of the first broadcast, but it was amazing. Day[9]'s show is focused on teaching, but you're analysis is on a different chart. I will add you to my "Watch Avidly" list.
Great job! We're all excited for more fantastic content!
Artosis mentioned speed warp prism immortal is becoming popular. It reminded me of HuK doing it vs Pinder on Metalopolis, in a series that's a year and a half old (before Raleigh MLG 2010 some time, I think). I'm sure it's much more refined now though ^^
I love the Artosis hour. Him laying down the knowledge and discussing decision making and the importance of things like observers in PvP is sweet.
Thank you so much Artosis for your analysis! I really appreciate all your work in helping us lower level players improve. I tried your 5-pheonix build versus terran today on a diamond level and I really felt like I was in control of what the terran player was doing. It felt like I knew what he was going to do before he even did anything. I proceeded to crush him. ^^
I wonder why so many people think this is some kind of competition between Day9 and Artosis. I think it could very well be, that Day9 pushed him to doing that, as this is pretty much the same format that Day9 had before SC2 came out and I could even imagine that they have the same motives behind that - that is being obligated to spend an hour or 2 per day dealing with Starcraft and doing something for the community. Seeing that Artosis just had a baby and has a pretty wild personal life at the moment I could imagine that he had way too little time and nerves to spend a lot of time on SC2, so he forces himself doing that with his Artosis hour. If thats the case or not, it is awesome in any case and I think the D9D and the Artosis hour complement one another really well.
I hope this stays around for a long time, I hope it gets less Protoss heavy once he got through the Hero Replaypack.
More artosis in my life is always a good thing :D Love the Artosis hour, although i hope he starts uploading them to his youtube channel..twitch.tv vods are kinda buggy :x
Just on the second game (Hero vs Nuclear/Asd), you didn't really mention what hero could have done differently to win. Was it just the phoenix opening that got shut down or nuclear's micro in the battle? Thanks so much for making these though, so much depth :D
Man I never seem to be on at the right time to catch Artosis doing the cast. I read about this when he first posted it but haven't gotten my schedule lined up >.< Awaiting the VoDs!!!
On February 18 2012 03:16 peekn wrote: Man I never seem to be on at the right time to catch Artosis doing the cast. I read about this when he first posted it but haven't gotten my schedule lined up >.< Awaiting the VoDs!!!
Off the Record was last night though, was it not? Artosis, if you read this, could you please give us some sort of schedule of when you think you will be doing this? I enjoy watching them, helped my PvP a lot.
On February 18 2012 03:16 peekn wrote: Man I never seem to be on at the right time to catch Artosis doing the cast. I read about this when he first posted it but haven't gotten my schedule lined up >.< Awaiting the VoDs!!!
You can watch the vod's on twitch
Ahh thanks I didn't think of that... going to check em out now.
On February 18 2012 10:08 1nMack1 wrote: Artosis reviews a game Nada vs Tod. There's a ton of focus on tod but nada's gasless 2rax expand was pretty amazing.
Seeing how Artosis is a Protoss player it doesn't surprise me that the focus of the replay is the Protoss player.
On February 18 2012 10:08 1nMack1 wrote: Artosis reviews a game Nada vs Tod. There's a ton of focus on tod but nada's gasless 2rax expand was pretty amazing.
Seeing how Artosis is a Protoss player it doesn't surprise me that the focus of the replay is the Protoss player.
I didn't feel this at all - I thought he gave Nada's opening plenty of attention early on, always pointing out how he gained various small advantages, etc.
I love Artosis. Ok guys, here is a Terran replay pack here, going to focus more on the T side of things... focus on the Protoss play in the first game. I SEE HOW IT IS.
I've always liked theses Artosis shows. I wonder why he stopped the scforall.com weekly format. He could of made it big. This is basically what sc2 needs now, a weekly recap of everything sc2.
Good analysis from Artosis but I really wasn't impressed with the quality of games from LastShadow. Considering his Vlogs about TvP I didn't see anything exciting or revolutionary for Artosis to talk about Seemed like pretty average masters level play.
When discussing mechanics today, Artosis mentioned a program that times how fast you can hit hot keys? The idea being to set up an elaborate sequence, and practice over and over to get faster. Does anyone know the program? I can't find it.
On February 21 2012 11:24 scDeluX wrote: I've always liked theses Artosis shows. I wonder why he stopped the scforall.com weekly format. He could of made it big. This is basically what sc2 needs now, a weekly recap of everything sc2.
On February 21 2012 12:15 Underated wrote: When discussing mechanics today, Artosis mentioned a program that times how fast you can hit hot keys? The idea being to set up an elaborate sequence, and practice over and over to get faster. Does anyone know the program? I can't find it.
i'm also quite interested in this program...it's a somewhat useless program but it should be interesting....could it be part of one of sc2gears' numerous updates that i don't pay enough attention to?
On February 21 2012 12:13 Savern101 wrote: Good analysis from Artosis but I really wasn't impressed with the quality of games from LastShadow. Considering his Vlogs about TvP I didn't see anything exciting or revolutionary for Artosis to talk about Seemed like pretty average masters level play.
wat
I play average masters level in europe and average masters level is baaaad.
With average I mean 750-1100 Masters at the end of the season. Lastshadow played really well imo, but ofc there are obvious mistakes, thats why you don't see any of these players win tournaments right now, but the overall game quality is definitely higher than what you see in an average masters level game, much fewer obvious blunders. (Ofc I don't know if he specifically picked replays that were a higher quality than his usual matches)
edit: The second TvP was really strange though lol That 4-gate, wtf was this. Seeing that he was about 900 points master in korea last season (if Im watching the correct Yosh) that seems about right, the overall quality in Korea seems a little bit better, the first game was not bad imo.
It would be great if you did a whole hour on mech in TvT or TvP, considering how vocal you are about it Maybe for TvT reps from various top Terrans discussing its strengths and common mistakes with it.
I watched it a little bit and I got bored cause you explained one thing like 3 times, we got it, he should have made a viking. But I don't know is this show dedicated to bronze + players, or at least a decent level and understanding of the game?
Can you get IdrA on and have you both discuss an important game, from the view of both players? For us loyal fans that have been waiting a year for the next Imbalanced show
On February 22 2012 06:08 Legio wrote: Can you get IdrA on and have you both discuss an important game, from the view of both players? For us loyal fans that have been waiting a year for the next Imbalanced show
ya or just spend 15 minutes or more talking about imbalance and shitting on terran and protoss in general. not picky here.
Very nice episode of the Ret v State game, was a bit funny since I just before that watched Day9's episode analysing the same game however.
Anyway, something I'd like to see added in more in the analysis is something that Day9 did in said episode: point out common mistakes that people will do in certain situations/timings, even if they might not happen it's interesting to see and compare to how you'd play it out yourself in that situation and thus learn not to.
Really enjoying the show so far Artosis. I feel like it is a very good contrast to Day9's show where you dig deeper into high level games.
I would suggest to get some of the pro players on the show (if they are willing) so you can talk about the games with them and know exactly what their thought process was.
Really liking the show so far. I like the free-flowing aspect of your show vs Day's and feel like I'm actually learning more on average than from his show, although certain episodes of his have been god-sends for me as a low level Terran. Stick with your current style and presentation, I think it works well for you.
I would love to hear more about the mind-set of winning. What is the difference between the Nestea's and DRGs and the IdrA's, if you know what I mean. We get gameplay analysis everywhere, but I want to know how these guys feel. Tell their stories, that type of stuff is inspiring and would actually be MUCH more helpful to the average ladder-anxiety suffering player. Teach us how to be mentally prepared to crush nerds.
*edit* also if you gave yourself a shot of adrenaline before every show that would be awesome. We are used to seeing you amped up. Lets say if the Artosis amp goes to eleven and you're at a 5... bump that to a 7.
Artosis, please wait a few seconds after you stop talking before cutting to commercials. The commercials cut off the last few words of your comments because the stream has not caught up with the delay. Thanks
I am not sure if it does that to others, but when Artosis runs an add it will cut off a bit early on what he was saying (not sure if I am the only one experiencing this). A little suggestion, have a brief pause between talking and starting an add.
I really enjoy Artosis's commentary, so thanks alot !!
On February 22 2012 12:03 Vond wrote: Very nice episode of the Ret v State game, was a bit funny since I just before that watched Day9's episode analysing the same game however.
Anyway, something I'd like to see added in more in the analysis is something that Day9 did in said episode: point out common mistakes that people will do in certain situations/timings, even if they might not happen it's interesting to see and compare to how you'd play it out yourself in that situation and thus learn not to.
Ye was nice to have a game vs game comparison between you guys And although I enjoy your show, Day9 had a bit more tips/tricks. Like timings you have to watch for. Your state vs Ret game was a bit more commentary 'i like how he burrows here' etc. Still good tho! And you won't hear me complaining of having another analysis show..
Love it artosis. Good stuff. I'd really like some tips on practicing. Like any sort of mechanics/build order drills you may know. How to go about analyzing reps in between games, how you think it's best to practice as a lower level player looking to get better, like watching reps in between games or after. Just anything related to ways of thinking while you play, mindset etc etc.
one easy no hassle no editing click on twitch will upload the artosis hr to your youtube page, like jp its a great easy way to add already made content to your youtube. only feedback i have love it all, if there is a reason why you dont want it up there then just ignore me XD
I watched the show for the second time now and you asked for some thoughts on how to improve and/or give feedback to it.
As I see it the show starts out great. There is not much to be said about that. However, almost all new shows are considered to be good and will have a decent viewer pool, in the early stages, especially considering your fame in the community. So rather than focusing on the current state, I will talk a little bit about the further development of the show.
Lets take for reference some other shows and compare your show with them. SOTG and Day9Daily.
SOTG is an entertainment show. It has famous figures from the sc2 scene and talks, as is stated in the title, about the current developments in the game. People tune in to SOTG, because there are interested in the little stories and drama of the scene. They want to hear the opinion of long time pro-gamers. And they like the overall atmosphere of the show. (a bunch of people talking like proper nerds). Sometimes there will be also educational value in the show. For example if SOTG talks about the patches or strategies, but that is not the main focus of it. Its pure entertainment. The people in SOTG are what draws the viewers.
Day9Daily is an educational show. Gamers should learn about sc2, by watching the show. At least that is how it started. Later it became and is more about the persona of day9. Here we have two separate focuses and target groups. One target group is watching the daily, because they like day9 as a person. He is funny, smart and nerdy. Whats not to like? The other want to be educated about the game. Those two are fundamental different types of viewers. Education and entertainment is most of the times not combinable. One can make the statement, that it needs to be entertaining, because it is solely the viewer who decides to watched it, our not. Its not like school, where you need to be and learn. That is of course not wrong, but to which degree should the entertainment aspect be applied? As there is always a intersection set between target groups, there will be some viewers who will not mind the entertainment value or on the other side the education value of the show. But all others will lose interest in it. If the daily focuses to much on entertainment, one target group will lose interest, the same is true for the other case.
Conclusion: I assume, for all further arguments, that you want to do an educational show. That means you need to focus on that group alone. The first days of the daily(broodwar dailys), where totally educational. A guy sitting in front of his computer and talking about the game. Explaining it to others. More and more the "transitions" made there way into the show and currently half of the time is being spend by day9 talking about some funny story that he ones had. If you want to help people understand sc2 better, do not start with such things. There is really no need for stopping the game, transition into your close up and talking about an interesting point in the game, while making a joke. Compare it to the prof., who writes on the board in the lecture hall and wants to make something extremely clear. He usually stops writing, turns around and says something like: "I want to make that perfectly clear. This is important". That behavior is equivalent to stopping the game, saying "This is important" and than showing/saying what is important, without transitioning out of the game. Otherwise you would remove the board out of the lecture hall and then start talking about something on the board. That may seem like a small point, but if you can stay as focuses on the game, as you are right now, you will have an educational show. Do not make the show about yourself, rather make it about the games. Be very clear about the way the show should work and what it should never be. Who should watch it and who you can never reach. Specialization will always produce better products than broadness will.
(Kind Regards and sorry for any of the many language mistakes I did make)
I watched the show for the second time now and you asked for some thoughts on how to improve and/or give feedback to it.
As I see it the show starts out great. There is not much to be said about that. However, almost all new shows are considered to be good and will have a decent viewer pool, in the early stages, especially considering your fame in the community. So rather than focusing on the current state, I will talk a little bit about the further development of the show.
Lets take for reference some other shows and compare your show with them. SOTG and Day9Daily.
SOTG is an entertainment show. It has famous figures from the sc2 scene and talks, as is stated in the title, about the current developments in the game. People tune in to SOTG, because there are interested in the little stories and drama of the scene. They want to hear the opinion of long time pro-gamers. And they like the overall atmosphere of the show. (a bunch of people talking like proper nerds). Sometimes there will be also educational value in the show. For example if SOTG talks about the patches or strategies, but that is not the main focus of it. Its pure entertainment. The people in SOTG are what draws the viewers.
Day9Daily is an educational show. Gamers should learn about sc2, by watching the show. At least that is how it started. Later it became and is more about the persona of day9. Here we have two separate focuses and target groups. One target group is watching the daily, because they like day9 as a person. He is funny, smart and nerdy. Whats not to like? The other want to be educated about the game. Those two are fundamental different types of viewers. Education and entertainment is most of the times not combinable. One can make the statement, that it needs to be entertaining, because it is solely the viewer who decides to watched it, our not. Its not like school, where you need to be and learn. That is of course not wrong, but to which degree should the entertainment aspect be applied? As there is always a intersection set between target groups, there will be some viewers who will not mind the entertainment value or on the other side the education value of the show. But all others will lose interest in it. If the daily focuses to much on entertainment, one target group will lose interest, the same is true for the other case.
Conclusion: I assume, for all further arguments, that you want to do an educational show. That means you need to focus on that group alone. The first days of the daily(broodwar dailys), where totally educational. A guy sitting in front of his computer and talking about the game. Explaining it to others. More and more the "transitions" made there way into the show and currently half of the time is being spend by day9 talking about some funny story that he ones had. If you want to help people understand sc2 better, do not start with such things. There is really no need for stopping the game, transition into your close up and talking about an interesting point in the game, while making a joke. Compare it to the prof., who writes on the board in the lecture hall and wants to make something extremely clear. He usually stops writing, turns around and says something like: "I want to make that perfectly clear. This is important". That behavior is equivalent to stopping the game, saying "This is important" and than showing/saying what is important, without transitioning out of the game. Otherwise you would remove the board out of the lecture hall and then start talking about something on the board. That may seem like a small point, but if you can stay as focuses on the game, as you are right now, you will have an educational show. Do not make the show about yourself, rather make it about the games. Be very clear about the way the show should work and what it should never be. Who should watch it and who you can never reach. Specialization will always produce better products than broadness will.
(Kind Regards and sorry for any of the many language mistakes I did make)
I'm completely with this guy. while the day9daily is good I stopped watching it for learning purposes along time ago. I wish the Artosis hour is all about learning. I love the high level of deep analysis.
@edit BTW good first post and welcome to Team Liquid forums =D (if I'm allowed to say that)
On February 22 2012 13:21 Haeuffchen wrote: I watched the show for the second time now and you asked for some thoughts on how to improve and/or give feedback to it.
As I see it the show starts out great. There is not much to be said about that. However, almost all new shows are considered to be good and will have a decent viewer pool, in the early stages, especially considering your fame in the community. So rather than focusing on the current state, I will talk a little bit about the further development of the show.
Lets take for reference some other shows and compare your show with them. SOTG and Day9Daily.
SOTG is an entertainment show. It has famous figures from the sc2 scene and talks, as is stated in the title, about the current developments in the game. People tune in to SOTG, because there are interested in the little stories and drama of the scene. They want to hear the opinion of long time pro-gamers. And they like the overall atmosphere of the show. (a bunch of people talking like proper nerds). Sometimes there will be also educational value in the show. For example if SOTG talks about the patches or strategies, but that is not the main focus of it. Its pure entertainment. The people in SOTG are what draws the viewers.
Day9Daily is an educational show. Gamers should learn about sc2, by watching the show. At least that is how it started. Later it became and is more about the persona of day9. Here we have two separate focuses and target groups. One target group is watching the daily, because they like day9 as a person. He is funny, smart and nerdy. Whats not to like? The other want to be educated about the game. Those two are fundamental different types of viewers. Education and entertainment is most of the times not combinable. One can make the statement, that it needs to be entertaining, because it is solely the viewer who decides to watched it, our not. Its not like school, where you need to be and learn. That is of course not wrong, but to which degree should the entertainment aspect be applied? As there is always a intersection set between target groups, there will be some viewers who will not mind the entertainment value or on the other side the education value of the show. But all others will lose interest in it. If the daily focuses to much on entertainment, one target group will lose interest, the same is true for the other case.
Conclusion: I assume, for all further arguments, that you want to do an educational show. That means you need to focus on that group alone. The first days of the daily(broodwar dailys), where totally educational. A guy sitting in front of his computer and talking about the game. Explaining it to others. More and more the "transitions" made there way into the show and currently half of the time is being spend by day9 talking about some funny story that he ones had. If you want to help people understand sc2 better, do not start with such things. There is really no need for stopping the game, transition into your close up and talking about an interesting point in the game, while making a joke. Compare it to the prof., who writes on the board in the lecture hall and wants to make something extremely clear. He usually stops writing, turns around and says something like: "I want to make that perfectly clear. This is important". That behavior is equivalent to stopping the game, saying "This is important" and than showing/saying what is important, without transitioning out of the game. Otherwise you would remove the board out of the lecture hall and then start talking about something on the board. That may seem like a small point, but if you can stay as focuses on the game, as you are right now, you will have an educational show. Do not make the show about yourself, rather make it about the games. Be very clear about the way the show should work and what it should never be. Who should watch it and who you can never reach. Specialization will always produce better products than broadness will.
(Kind Regards and sorry for any of the many language mistakes I did make)
Agree 100%. Artosis, I think this guy says it best so far. Keep it about the game, even though we fucking love you, and this show will be freaking amazing for learning.
First Liquid Red Analysis. Rly good . Day 9 had a daily about the exact replay and now artosis as well. To me it was more interesting because i already knew what was going to happen. So i was able to focus on the analysis.
For future episodes. You could first show the entire game and then restart and go through the game. I feel like that would be useful sometimes.
I can never catch the show live, but watching the vods it would be nice if you could cut the dead space at the beginning of each. Most of em its around 10 minutes of just watching your beautiful face before any talking starts.
On February 22 2012 13:21 Haeuffchen wrote: I watched the show for the second time now and you asked for some thoughts on how to improve and/or give feedback to it.
As I see it the show starts out great. There is not much to be said about that. However, almost all new shows are considered to be good and will have a decent viewer pool, in the early stages, especially considering your fame in the community. So rather than focusing on the current state, I will talk a little bit about the further development of the show.
Lets take for reference some other shows and compare your show with them. SOTG and Day9Daily.
SOTG is an entertainment show. It has famous figures from the sc2 scene and talks, as is stated in the title, about the current developments in the game. People tune in to SOTG, because there are interested in the little stories and drama of the scene. They want to hear the opinion of long time pro-gamers. And they like the overall atmosphere of the show. (a bunch of people talking like proper nerds). Sometimes there will be also educational value in the show. For example if SOTG talks about the patches or strategies, but that is not the main focus of it. Its pure entertainment. The people in SOTG are what draws the viewers.
Day9Daily is an educational show. Gamers should learn about sc2, by watching the show. At least that is how it started. Later it became and is more about the persona of day9. Here we have two separate focuses and target groups. One target group is watching the daily, because they like day9 as a person. He is funny, smart and nerdy. Whats not to like? The other want to be educated about the game. Those two are fundamental different types of viewers. Education and entertainment is most of the times not combinable. One can make the statement, that it needs to be entertaining, because it is solely the viewer who decides to watched it, our not. Its not like school, where you need to be and learn. That is of course not wrong, but to which degree should the entertainment aspect be applied? As there is always a intersection set between target groups, there will be some viewers who will not mind the entertainment value or on the other side the education value of the show. But all others will lose interest in it. If the daily focuses to much on entertainment, one target group will lose interest, the same is true for the other case.
Conclusion: I assume, for all further arguments, that you want to do an educational show. That means you need to focus on that group alone. The first days of the daily(broodwar dailys), where totally educational. A guy sitting in front of his computer and talking about the game. Explaining it to others. More and more the "transitions" made there way into the show and currently half of the time is being spend by day9 talking about some funny story that he ones had. If you want to help people understand sc2 better, do not start with such things. There is really no need for stopping the game, transition into your close up and talking about an interesting point in the game, while making a joke. Compare it to the prof., who writes on the board in the lecture hall and wants to make something extremely clear. He usually stops writing, turns around and says something like: "I want to make that perfectly clear. This is important". That behavior is equivalent to stopping the game, saying "This is important" and than showing/saying what is important, without transitioning out of the game. Otherwise you would remove the board out of the lecture hall and then start talking about something on the board. That may seem like a small point, but if you can stay as focuses on the game, as you are right now, you will have an educational show. Do not make the show about yourself, rather make it about the games. Be very clear about the way the show should work and what it should never be. Who should watch it and who you can never reach. Specialization will always produce better products than broadness will.
(Kind Regards and sorry for any of the many language mistakes I did make)
Agree 100%. Artosis, I think this guy says it best so far. Keep it about the game, even though we fucking love you, and this show will be freaking amazing for learning.
I third this! Try to keep it essentially as it is, it's excellent so far. The high level analytical almost scientific approach is for me, much better than the seemingly ego centric 'how do I feel about this'/cut to response shot approach of day9. You can of course improve the production if you feel so inclined but its not necessary to make it more of a show.
I particularly like that you analyse the game, looking at both sides rather than focusing on one/the star player. Stating why something's good or how/what could be better is very refreshing compared to the usual non-constructive 'this is just bad <forced laugh>' that's common in the community. I think 2-rax bunker openers the world over are going to be a whole lot scarier tomorrow, and I'm sure it's not the end of it.
I watched the show for the second time now and you asked for some thoughts on how to improve and/or give feedback to it.
As I see it the show starts out great. There is not much to be said about that. However, almost all new shows are considered to be good and will have a decent viewer pool, in the early stages, especially considering your fame in the community. So rather than focusing on the current state, I will talk a little bit about the further development of the show.
Lets take for reference some other shows and compare your show with them. SOTG and Day9Daily.
SOTG is an entertainment show. It has famous figures from the sc2 scene and talks, as is stated in the title, about the current developments in the game. People tune in to SOTG, because there are interested in the little stories and drama of the scene. They want to hear the opinion of long time pro-gamers. And they like the overall atmosphere of the show. (a bunch of people talking like proper nerds). Sometimes there will be also educational value in the show. For example if SOTG talks about the patches or strategies, but that is not the main focus of it. Its pure entertainment. The people in SOTG are what draws the viewers.
Day9Daily is an educational show. Gamers should learn about sc2, by watching the show. At least that is how it started. Later it became and is more about the persona of day9. Here we have two separate focuses and target groups. One target group is watching the daily, because they like day9 as a person. He is funny, smart and nerdy. Whats not to like? The other want to be educated about the game. Those two are fundamental different types of viewers. Education and entertainment is most of the times not combinable. One can make the statement, that it needs to be entertaining, because it is solely the viewer who decides to watched it, our not. Its not like school, where you need to be and learn. That is of course not wrong, but to which degree should the entertainment aspect be applied? As there is always a intersection set between target groups, there will be some viewers who will not mind the entertainment value or on the other side the education value of the show. But all others will lose interest in it. If the daily focuses to much on entertainment, one target group will lose interest, the same is true for the other case.
Conclusion: I assume, for all further arguments, that you want to do an educational show. That means you need to focus on that group alone. The first days of the daily(broodwar dailys), where totally educational. A guy sitting in front of his computer and talking about the game. Explaining it to others. More and more the "transitions" made there way into the show and currently half of the time is being spend by day9 talking about some funny story that he ones had. If you want to help people understand sc2 better, do not start with such things. There is really no need for stopping the game, transition into your close up and talking about an interesting point in the game, while making a joke. Compare it to the prof., who writes on the board in the lecture hall and wants to make something extremely clear. He usually stops writing, turns around and says something like: "I want to make that perfectly clear. This is important". That behavior is equivalent to stopping the game, saying "This is important" and than showing/saying what is important, without transitioning out of the game. Otherwise you would remove the board out of the lecture hall and then start talking about something on the board. That may seem like a small point, but if you can stay as focuses on the game, as you are right now, you will have an educational show. Do not make the show about yourself, rather make it about the games. Be very clear about the way the show should work and what it should never be. Who should watch it and who you can never reach. Specialization will always produce better products than broadness will.
(Kind Regards and sorry for any of the many language mistakes I did make)
That's an objective approach of the matter, but I think what drives the show is a more subjective approach.
I mean, Day[9] didn't chose to be a bit less analytical and more comical / self-centered, I think he is just being himself. He seems a great guy, his show became a business which works well, so what we get now is a confident and happy dude making what he truly likes, aka speaking of SC and himself.
I don't think Artosis works the same way, though. Artosis has always been more focused on how great X player is. I mean, back to Ascension (WHERE ARE THE FINALS, ARTOSIS), he was already both quite analytical and focused on how good/famous/genius players were. I mean I can still remember how awesome and great Yosh (or something) is, as a Terran player, a guy I never heard about before / after.
So my advice would be : stick to your guns. Sure you can try to aim for the educational niche as developed above, but first and foremost, analyze the strategies and praise the players. Especially since you are now in the best position to get so much intimate infos/gossips/whatever about the best players in the world, use it! It's the perfect opportunity and it fits your style.
As someone who truly loves SC2 and plays it every day, I have to say that your commentary on these excellent games brings back that initial excitement I had when I first saw SC2 VODs for the first time in beta. 2 years later and after grinding thousands of games in NA Masters I just get a giddy feeling watching your analysis that there is so much more out there for me to learn about this game.
In other words, this stuff makes me wiggle.
Keep up the good work man, your show is really something special!
First off, thanks for creating this very dense treasure of content. I like your style, it is straight to the point without any fluff or nonsense antics that makes me cringe/get bored.
Realistically speaking, nothing about the content should change. You're a great starcraft mind and that's not going to change for better or worse.
Something minor things that would improve the experience for me--
The beginning of the video is the beginning of the show. This may be an artifact of the twitch vod system, but it is very frustrating for people with slow internet connections that have to load the video before figuring out where it actually starts, and then the buffered portion unbuffers if you try to skip ahead . . . you get the picture.
This is nitpicky, but, since you have such a cerebral, non-stop, hit the points style when answering questions at the end, it requires a high level of focus to . . . focus. If you could arrange the room behind your seat to be a little more balanced and organized, i think it would help with immersion.
Other than that, please please just keep doing what you're doing, you're doing it right.
Really love the show. Here some short feedback that maybe not been said yet: I love that you don't mention and do this commercial from other places (GSL) to your show. I know day9 do that all the time from tournaments, I really enjoy that you don't really spamming around your show. And it's a great show!
Would be so boring to hear after each GSL (or other tourament) like "Please go watch the X, where we are trying to be a better gamer".. so sick of that shit some other people do. Keep it up, your amazing!
I´am a low Master league Terran player and want to get better mechanics.
I realy love your show! Pls could you also explain in your show how to execute things:
For example:
How do you Hotkey the fastest. To be clear I want to know what your hands do and not "you have to make three control groups Marines in 1...".
I have found differnet options but I am not sure if I do it right.
Let´s say I have an army of marines marauders, medivacs + Vikings + Ghosts against P.
1) a) Box the whole army and press SHIFT + Click on the ghosts and than CTRL + 1 to have my main army without ghosts b) Now it´s very specific but I think also important. Do you double Click on the ghosts and than hotkey them or do you press CTRL + Click on one ghost? (also do you do this on the main screen or where the units are below?)...and than hotkey them
Also do you use your pinky to press CTRL or do you use the palm of your hand and press 1 with your ring finger??
2) a) Double Click marines (or CTRL on one marine) -> hotkey wherever b) Marauders.... c)Medivacs .... d)....
Maybe I do it competly wrong... Could you please make a daily explaining such things
If possible, in the future at some point it would be cool if the show is a consistent thing you keep doing, to have some sort of theme in advance for people to look at.
like, "tomorrow we're going to be looking at a lot of drop play", or "dealing with early harass", or "looking at protoss gas timings", or whatever.
the current "we're looking at this player today" is okay, but it's just an idea for the future if you have more time to dedicate to preparation at any point.
On February 28 2012 15:30 Angel_ wrote: If possible, in the future at some point it would be cool if the show is a consistent thing you keep doing, to have some sort of theme in advance for people to look at.
like, "tomorrow we're going to be looking at a lot of drop play", or "dealing with early harass", or "looking at protoss gas timings", or whatever.
the current "we're looking at this player today" is okay, but it's just an idea for the future if you have more time to dedicate to preparation at any point.
I like the fact that he basically has no idea what is going to happen in a game. It makes his 'predictions' very legit (like expecting X play from a player that is behind/or ahead) and it feels great when I agree with him and to see the player in question actually make that decision as well. The analysis on Ret's game of shattered temple was a perfect example of this I think. ("He 'should' be doing this" vs "he 'is going to ' do this is very different I think " )
A basic 'tomorrow we'll be looking at X player's replay is enough I think. (would be better if he updated the thread as often as he could so people would be aware >.< this show deserves much attention just for the level of analysis that artosis makes..)
Edit: Of course, with this format there is always the danger of 'poor' games, but I think we can learn from pro's mistakes as well.
getting all the episodes on youtube tonight if possible! links on the front page. not certain if there will be an episode tomorrow due to jet lag from MLG, will announce later on!
You are a God gift to man, thank you so much for Artosis-hour and please keep on adding content to the community, me and many many many others do appretiate it highly. Yesterday I raged cuzz I lost to an annoying raven 1-1-1, and then at Artosis hour you go through how to defend 1-1-1 with HerO replay, really helps!
If you cannot upload more content soon it's okay, rest a little aswell, travelling back and forth the globe cannot be all too easy.
I'd love to see you streaming aswell as you did at Christmas. Damn you taught me a lot of Protoss!
Hey Artosis! First thing to say: your passion of sc2, your on flight analysis, your terrible jokes, I LIKE THAT !!! omg, I like that, I like that , I like that , I like that , I like that !!!! So, keep going on!
I have two ideas that may improve your (already) great new show! It is great to take some random replays of a given progamer and just comment it, focussing on important facts of the games.
But, what do you think about taking a strat and explain (with some replays) why sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't, the following up to the strat and so on...? A very simple exemple: at MLG, and recently, we can see a lot of 6-pools comming from correen zergs in the PvZ matchup. So, you may just take the Nestea/Naniwa and the DRG/Naniwa replays and explain why the first one didn't succeed and why DRG's one seal the deal. OK in this small exemple the answer is relatively straight forward, but I'm sure you could find so much strats to work around.
My second idea now. In your live casting at GSL, you often say "it is an upcomming strat on the correan ladder", "we saw it recently", etc.... So, Why aren't you show us those new ,crazy strats? Why are they created, what may be the counter, etc...?
I know that it can be hard and require a lot of time to do this, but it should be really great.
Hey I just wanted to voice my support for the show! The only other analysis type SC2 show I have watched has been day9 and I was really curious to see your take on game analysis. I have watched your stream a few times and have seen you go over your games, but I'm not really a fan of watching pro streams.
Iv'e only watched 2 episodes,(I'm a bit late XD) but I think your show is awesome. You are right to the point and you are not afraid to say something is stupid. You talk about popular strats and what you have been seeing at GSL, which is a very interesting view point.
Could you please at some point do an analysis of the Thorzain TvP from EG Master's Cup Mouz vs. Slayers? The super late game situations in game 3 vs. Alicia and game 2 vs. Crank were really cool.
Not sure if you take requests or not, but at some point can you break down MMA/Violet Game 2 from IEM Masters? MMA was every where at once and I am curious to see your thoughts on it. Thanks!
On March 07 2012 10:49 Pachwa wrote: Not sure if you take requests or not, but at some point can you break down MMA/Violet Game 2 from IEM Masters? MMA was every where at once and I am curious to see your thoughts on it. Thanks!
Would like to see an analysis of a high level TvZ, specifically MMA or Gumiho. Unless you think they are just purely out multitasking their opponents rather than doing a lot of subtle smart things.
Please keep up the great work! Love the stream, very educational and informative. Looking forward to more episodes! I think paraphrased builds can be updated on SCDojo.
I think the Shin Megami Tensei series, as a whole, would be vastly improved if the concept of The Artosis Hour were to be introduced. I'm loving the series so far, though unfortunately, much like The Day[9] Daily, It's live at a rather unfortunate hour for me, so I can only catch the youtube VoDs as they are uploaded.
As much as I like this show and analysis of pro-games in general, is there any chance you'll do a scheduled analysis of your own games? I think when you announced this, you said you'd be analysing your own games as well. When you're analysing your own games, viewers really get a very deep insight into your thoughts and that was an amazing learning experience for me.
On April 08 2012 13:54 Chriscras wrote: Let's be honest. It's probably not coming back T-T
and this makes me very sad, the artosis hour is what the day9 daily used to be and what it should be now...the d9d has really lost all of its value to higher level players as he really only covers the basics again and again rather than what he used to do which was cover tons of different in depth strategies the decision making behind them and even the minor details of the builds that most people wouldn't notice...seriously we need more of that again, a truly indepth educational starcraft show
the artosis hour was this but now it has sadly met the fate of anything artosis starts (other than his casting career...so far....nah he's a great caster )
artosis always plans stuff, does 2-3 episodes of it and doesnt keep up the stuff without any comment. sad cuz i really enjoyed it, would have liked to see some more of it even if its just once a week.
Well it doesn't have to be a daily thing to be awesome. If we got an artosis hour a week on a game or someone he thinks is interesting that would be pretty sweet.
On April 10 2012 12:13 Sabu113 wrote: Well it doesn't have to be a daily thing to be awesome. If we got an artosis hour a week on a game or someone he thinks is interesting that would be pretty sweet.
He has been traveling a lot and then, baby, you know.
I'm missing the show such a lot. I miss the chat moderating. I miss dat sick analysis. Hope to see you soon, Dan. Looking forward to the next Artosis Hour.
somebody with a twitter should ask him if this show is canceled or if there will be more episodes in the future. If he says no, maybe just spam artosis untill he makes another episode? jk
It can't be cancelled when Artosis has never made a schedule for it. He stated at the beginning that this would be done on free time only. He probably figured since he watches a lot of replays he might as well analyze them for viewers netting him more exposure and some pocket change.
On April 10 2012 20:50 idonthinksobro wrote: somebody with a twitter should ask him if this show is canceled or if there will be more episodes in the future. If he says no, maybe just spam artosis untill he makes another episode? jk
Well this is kind of a good idea. I think it's worth it letting him know we really like the show and wants him to continue making episodes. It might give him some motivation, for the off chance that's what's lacking.
This show was actually the only "tutorial show" I followed and took seriously as a gamer. I hope you settle in well in your new apartement, artosis, and I hope your back stronger than ever when you have the time for the Artosis hour! : D
On April 11 2012 11:56 Liquid`NonY wrote: artosis plz tell me what to think
LOL Tyler trolling artosis fanboys XD
we need the imbalanced show back!! I have no idea what's currently imbalanced anymore. Actually the game seems pretty balanced...but only with Artosis' help will I know for sure. :O
On April 11 2012 11:56 Liquid`NonY wrote: artosis plz tell me what to think
The sad part is you could likely benefit from that at this point.
Great attitude.
This is an insult to Artosis more than it is to me. Artosis knows how to improve upon the best players in the world. You are implying that there's someone who couldn't benefit from Artosis's thoughts and that's just not the case. Even when I win an MLG I'll still be chatting with Artosis about the games at the afterparty.
Artosis! I just wanted to say thank you for providing another medium through which you can offer your insight into the current strategies being employed by top players of SC2. Out of all the casters I've watched, I find your method of casting the most enjoyable by far. You explain yourself incredibly well and you don't rush through your explanations. You treat the game from an intellectual standpoint. I feel that by remaining composed and focused throughout your casting you allow the viewer to be the play-by-play caster in their own head. Because if they understand the situation, they'll realize when a battle or a game changing moment will potentially happen. Then they'll be able to be more excited as the game unfolds because they don't need someone else to tell them when to be excited. For lack of a better phrase, you are just fucking awesome.
I wish more casters would focus on discussing and understanding strategy as opposed to just explaining what's on the screen in front of them. It's like people get trapped in the Microsoft PowerPoint frame of thinking: show a slide, read exactly what's on it, and bore your audience to death.
On April 11 2012 11:56 Liquid`NonY wrote: artosis plz tell me what to think
The sad part is you could likely benefit from that at this point.
Great attitude.
This is an insult to Artosis more than it is to me. Artosis knows how to improve upon the best players in the world. You are implying that there's someone who couldn't benefit from Artosis's thoughts and that's just not the case. Even when I win an MLG I'll still be chatting with Artosis about the games at the afterparty.
I could be wrong but I thought he interpreted your post as being sarcastic and insulting to Artosis. This might be because of the way you phrased and spelled it. So when he said that you might be able to benefit from it, I don't think he was insulting you, I think he was actually praising Artosis in saying his advice is good for pro's as well.
I'll admit I could just be having too much faith but life is a lot more fun when you live assuming people are being nicer rather than ruder. =]
Nony fighting!
P.S. Definitely want Artosis hour back! It was an incredibly insightful show and really changed the way I've done a lot of my play.
Hey artosis just a little suggestion for a artosis hour. You should do one on Partings PvT style with 1gate expo -> 3gate + robo -> double forge+immortal -> third/ 2/2 / collosi
On April 11 2012 14:07 StrinterN wrote: You should do one on Partings PvT style with 1gate expo -> 3gate + robo -> double forge+immortal -> third/ 2/2 / collosi
You misunderstood NonY for insulting Artosis..... these guys have been friends for years (5-6 probably more?). That is how you can tell you've never watched the Artosis Hour, once you hear him speaking his thoughts you won't doubt his analytical magic.
On May 09 2012 03:59 Awoodcol wrote: A pale comparison to the dependability of Day[9]
90% of Narcissism[9]'s show is him putting the camera on himself and making stupid faces and lauging at his own jokes and stories
The other 10% is "analysis" silver leaguers might find helpful
Someone's angry.
he's taking it a little far but yes day9's daily is rather useless to anyone who is looking for genuinely high level analysis these days
go back and watch some of the bw dailies and compare them to now so you can get an idea of what they should be but day hasn't played sc2 competitively so he doesn't know sc2 like he knows bw, as a result that sadly makes sense for the lack of quality analysis
On May 09 2012 03:59 Awoodcol wrote: A pale comparison to the dependability of Day[9]
90% of Narcissism[9]'s show is him putting the camera on himself and making stupid faces and lauging at his own jokes and stories
The other 10% is "analysis" silver leaguers might find helpful
Someone's angry.
he's taking it a little far but yes day9's daily is rather useless to anyone who is looking for genuinely high level analysis these days
go back and watch some of the bw dailies and compare them to now so you can get an idea of what they should be but day hasn't played sc2 competitively so he doesn't know sc2 like he knows bw, as a result that sadly makes sense for the lack of quality analysis
*BluUuuAaRGHhhhhhh* Vomit.... People are seriously so fucking clueless.
On May 09 2012 03:59 Awoodcol wrote: A pale comparison to the dependability of Day[9]
90% of Narcissism[9]'s show is him putting the camera on himself and making stupid faces and lauging at his own jokes and stories
The other 10% is "analysis" silver leaguers might find helpful
User was warned for this post
EXACTLY!! or wait who and or what have you done for the community.....dont like it dont watch it easy as that .day9 been in the community for like forever and lets see when you have oh wait noone gives a shit who you are.
On May 09 2012 03:59 Awoodcol wrote: A pale comparison to the dependability of Day[9]
90% of Narcissism[9]'s show is him putting the camera on himself and making stupid faces and lauging at his own jokes and stories
The other 10% is "analysis" silver leaguers might find helpful
Someone's angry.
he's taking it a little far but yes day9's daily is rather useless to anyone who is looking for genuinely high level analysis these days
go back and watch some of the bw dailies and compare them to now so you can get an idea of what they should be but day hasn't played sc2 competitively so he doesn't know sc2 like he knows bw, as a result that sadly makes sense for the lack of quality analysis
Well the big thing to point out is that the majority of this community are not high level and not looking for high level analysis and instead learning ways to improve while laughing at day[9]...
On May 09 2012 03:59 Awoodcol wrote: A pale comparison to the dependability of Day[9]
90% of Narcissism[9]'s show is him putting the camera on himself and making stupid faces and lauging at his own jokes and stories
The other 10% is "analysis" silver leaguers might find helpful
User was warned for this post
EXACTLY!! or wait who and or what have you done for the community.....dont like it dont watch it easy as that .day9 been in the community for like forever and lets see when you have oh wait noone gives a shit who you are.
Being very active for the community does not make something wrong right, and doing nothing for the community does not make something right wrong. (not that I am actually agreeing with him)
On May 09 2012 03:59 Awoodcol wrote: A pale comparison to the dependability of Day[9]
90% of Narcissism[9]'s show is him putting the camera on himself and making stupid faces and lauging at his own jokes and stories
The other 10% is "analysis" silver leaguers might find helpful
User was warned for this post
EXACTLY!! or wait who and or what have you done for the community.....dont like it dont watch it easy as that .day9 been in the community for like forever and lets see when you have oh wait noone gives a shit who you are.
That's a ridiculous statement, just because he's been in the community and done stuff doesn't mean people have to bow down to the guy, each to their own.
Day9 is easily capable of analysis of the quality of the Artosis Hour but choose not to because he likes to appeal to the casuals as well, nothing wrong with that but equally nothing wrong with people complaining about him doing it.
I hate the divergence in this community, between certain people being fair game to get flamed, and others being sacred cows who nobody can criticise. Grow up and accept a divergence of opinions.
On May 09 2012 03:59 Awoodcol wrote: A pale comparison to the dependability of Day[9]
90% of Narcissism[9]'s show is him putting the camera on himself and making stupid faces and lauging at his own jokes and stories
The other 10% is "analysis" silver leaguers might find helpful
User was warned for this post
EXACTLY!! or wait who and or what have you done for the community.....dont like it dont watch it easy as that .day9 been in the community for like forever and lets see when you have oh wait noone gives a shit who you are.
That's a ridiculous statement, just because he's been in the community and done stuff doesn't mean people have to bow down to the guy, each to their own.
Day9 is easily capable of analysis of the quality of the Artosis Hour but choose not to because he likes to appeal to the casuals as well, nothing wrong with that but equally nothing wrong with people complaining about him doing it.
I hate the divergence in this community, between certain people being fair game to get flamed, and others being sacred cows who nobody can criticise. Grow up and accept a divergence of opinions.
why bitch about? if you hate his style or what he is doing dont watch it? its easy as fucking that. Im not saying its not bad to criticize people but atleast give some "good" feedback or comments saying he is narcissistic and his show pretty much sucks doesnt do fuck all either...
On May 09 2012 03:59 Awoodcol wrote: A pale comparison to the dependability of Day[9]
90% of Narcissism[9]'s show is him putting the camera on himself and making stupid faces and lauging at his own jokes and stories
The other 10% is "analysis" silver leaguers might find helpful
User was warned for this post
EXACTLY!! or wait who and or what have you done for the community.....dont like it dont watch it easy as that .day9 been in the community for like forever and lets see when you have oh wait noone gives a shit who you are.
That's a ridiculous statement, just because he's been in the community and done stuff doesn't mean people have to bow down to the guy, each to their own.
Day9 is easily capable of analysis of the quality of the Artosis Hour but choose not to because he likes to appeal to the casuals as well, nothing wrong with that but equally nothing wrong with people complaining about him doing it.
I hate the divergence in this community, between certain people being fair game to get flamed, and others being sacred cows who nobody can criticise. Grow up and accept a divergence of opinions.
why bitch about? if you hate his style or what he is doing dont watch it? its easy as fucking that. Im not saying its not bad to criticize people but atleast give some "good" feedback or comments saying he is narcissistic and his show pretty much sucks doesnt do fuck all either...
I don't mind Day9, I was defending somebody else's right to say they dislike his style. You mean 'good' feedback like 'oh wait noone gives a shit who you are.' right?
On May 09 2012 03:59 Awoodcol wrote: A pale comparison to the dependability of Day[9]
90% of Narcissism[9]'s show is him putting the camera on himself and making stupid faces and lauging at his own jokes and stories
The other 10% is "analysis" silver leaguers might find helpful
User was warned for this post
EXACTLY!! or wait who and or what have you done for the community.....dont like it dont watch it easy as that .day9 been in the community for like forever and lets see when you have oh wait noone gives a shit who you are.
That's a ridiculous statement, just because he's been in the community and done stuff doesn't mean people have to bow down to the guy, each to their own.
Day9 is easily capable of analysis of the quality of the Artosis Hour but choose not to because he likes to appeal to the casuals as well, nothing wrong with that but equally nothing wrong with people complaining about him doing it.
I hate the divergence in this community, between certain people being fair game to get flamed, and others being sacred cows who nobody can criticise. Grow up and accept a divergence of opinions.
why bitch about? if you hate his style or what he is doing dont watch it? its easy as fucking that. Im not saying its not bad to criticize people but atleast give some "good" feedback or comments saying he is narcissistic and his show pretty much sucks doesnt do fuck all either...
I don't mind Day9, I was defending somebody else's right to say they dislike his style. You mean 'good' feedback like 'oh wait noone gives a shit who you are.' right?
On May 09 2012 03:59 Awoodcol wrote: A pale comparison to the dependability of Day[9]
90% of Narcissism[9]'s show is him putting the camera on himself and making stupid faces and lauging at his own jokes and stories
The other 10% is "analysis" silver leaguers might find helpful
User was warned for this post
EXACTLY!! or wait who and or what have you done for the community.....dont like it dont watch it easy as that .day9 been in the community for like forever and lets see when you have oh wait noone gives a shit who you are.
That's a ridiculous statement, just because he's been in the community and done stuff doesn't mean people have to bow down to the guy, each to their own.
Day9 is easily capable of analysis of the quality of the Artosis Hour but choose not to because he likes to appeal to the casuals as well, nothing wrong with that but equally nothing wrong with people complaining about him doing it.
I hate the divergence in this community, between certain people being fair game to get flamed, and others being sacred cows who nobody can criticise. Grow up and accept a divergence of opinions.
why bitch about? if you hate his style or what he is doing dont watch it? its easy as fucking that. Im not saying its not bad to criticize people but atleast give some "good" feedback or comments saying he is narcissistic and his show pretty much sucks doesnt do fuck all either...
I don't mind Day9, I was defending somebody else's right to say they dislike his style. You mean 'good' feedback like 'oh wait noone gives a shit who you are.' right?
My comment was only regarding the dependability of Day9. Say what you will about his style, but I can't remember the last time he missed his daily timing. Personally, I'd take the Artosis hour on a semi-regular basis over any other commentary show, period. But just like his streaming, it seems as if the Artosis hour has seen it's last. TT
On May 19 2012 11:11 Awoodcol wrote: My comment was only regarding the dependability of Day9. Say what you will about his style, but I can't remember the last time he missed his daily timing. Personally, I'd take the Artosis hour on a semi-regular basis over any other commentary show, period. But just like his streaming, it seems as if the Artosis hour has seen it's last. TT
Sad, I think Artosis is the only guy I can sit and watch stream for hours on end as a casual player.
On May 09 2012 03:59 Awoodcol wrote: A pale comparison to the dependability of Day[9]
90% of Narcissism[9]'s show is him putting the camera on himself and making stupid faces and lauging at his own jokes and stories
The other 10% is "analysis" silver leaguers might find helpful
User was warned for this post
EXACTLY!! or wait who and or what have you done for the community.....dont like it dont watch it easy as that .day9 been in the community for like forever and lets see when you have oh wait noone gives a shit who you are.
That's a ridiculous statement, just because he's been in the community and done stuff doesn't mean people have to bow down to the guy, each to their own.
Day9 is easily capable of analysis of the quality of the Artosis Hour but choose not to because he likes to appeal to the casuals as well, nothing wrong with that but equally nothing wrong with people complaining about him doing it.
I hate the divergence in this community, between certain people being fair game to get flamed, and others being sacred cows who nobody can criticise. Grow up and accept a divergence of opinions.
I actually follow the Day9 Daily quite a bit, and I've found that he splits it quite evenly between advice that applies towards being a better competitive player (yes, Master's level included) and then advice for people who just like to play (and watch) for fun.
If I want to learn a new build in TvZ or ZvP or PvX or anything, I'll sometimes turn to his show and look through the archives for something interesting, and then I can learn a build while having someone at GM level explain to me how and why it works.
Likewise, if I just want some laughs, nothing's better than watching the Funday Monday and then trying out the challenge on the ladder to try and get a win with something crazy.
And to be frank, no one has ever done a better job at explaining the basics of mechanics. Day9 shows techniques for how to practice them and implement them into your gameplay.
That's just my 2 cents, but I definitely disagree that his show is only for casuals. He got me from Silver league to Masters, and that's after I'd played BW for nearly 10 years prior to touching Sc2. And now that I'm in Masters, I still use his daily's to help me improve, slowly but surely.
However, I'm also a huge fan of Artosis, and I'm sad that I haven't seen his show or streams on in a while. Commentary + Gameplay is a better tool for my learning than just watching a stream, and very few people actually provide that. Artosis is a boss, and I hope he puts up more content in the future
I would really like to see another episod and Im sure many people feel the same.. any latest statements about Artosis Hour? Or its just another great Artosis show which will die after few episodes?
Just checked some of the zerg ones out, and they're really good. If Artosis really sticks to this, "The Hour" could be a companion to "The Daily." I just really wish Artosis would have a consistent schedule for this, like 3 times a week or something. If you're reading this, Dan, we want moar "Artosis Hours."
People complaining about the dependability of the show need to wake up. the reason the daily is so regular is because that is days bread and butter....gsl is artosis' so that will always come first. add in the fact that artosis now has a child and you can see why this isnt happening atm....he promised it would be back so just wait.
Absolutely loved this show. The only reason I couldn't watch it before was because I was way too busy before my summer break. Hope Artosis brings it back.
guys relax, this guy is having a child and travels alot. if u like to see some more analysis/casts of his check out his youtube channel ArtosisTV, hes uploading some nice matches from time to time, pretty much what artosis hour was about.
Artosis seems to be really busy lately, but I remember watching the very first episode live, really good stuff! I also love watching him stream his games (playing) with commentary. :D
Very good insights by Artosis on the Artosis Hour. He may not be playing at the top level anymore, but his analytical abilities are second-to-none. Hopefully we can have more of these in the near future!
ArtosisTV on youtube sates my hunger for high level analysis somewhat, but the Artosis Hour was the best show ever for that. Really hope he can bring it back if he ever has the time.
On July 30 2012 05:40 ddrddrddrddr wrote: Stop bumping the bloody thread please. Every time I see this I get excited and think there's a new episode out at last.
Just happened to me too. My dreams have been crushed yet again.