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On February 24 2012 14:53 gladsheim wrote: so how long until this event starts?, im lost without the calender
Try, you know, MLG's website. They only have a giant countdown clock telling you when.
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On February 24 2012 14:56 L3gendary wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 14:53 gladsheim wrote: so how long until this event starts?, im lost without the calender Try, you know, MLG's website. They only have a giant countdown clock telling you when.
I hope that was sarcasception.
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On February 24 2012 14:56 L3gendary wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 14:53 gladsheim wrote: so how long until this event starts?, im lost without the calender Try, you know, MLG's website. They only have a giant countdown clock telling you when. that clock is only correct if you live in EST btw
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On February 24 2012 14:53 gladsheim wrote: so how long until this event starts?, im lost without the calender
It starts 22:30 GMT (+00:00). There's usually a LR thread by now for something like this but I guess the normal people for it either hasn't paid for the Arena or are occupied with the ROG thread.
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On February 24 2012 14:56 L3gendary wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 14:53 gladsheim wrote: so how long until this event starts?, im lost without the calender Try, you know, MLG's website. They only have a giant countdown clock telling you when.
Strongly suspect their countdown clock doesn't take into consideration timezones. It's telling me 2.5 hrs which would give a start time of 5:30pm on the dot like they say. Too bad I live half a world away.
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On February 24 2012 15:02 BoxingKangaroo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 14:56 L3gendary wrote:On February 24 2012 14:53 gladsheim wrote: so how long until this event starts?, im lost without the calender Try, you know, MLG's website. They only have a giant countdown clock telling you when. Strongly suspect their countdown clock doesn't take into consideration timezones. It's telling me 2.5 hrs which would give a start time of 5:30pm on the dot like they say. Too bad I live half a world away.
lol what. How do they fuck up a countdown clock. You don't need to know someone's timezone lol wow.
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On February 24 2012 15:02 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 14:56 L3gendary wrote:On February 24 2012 14:53 gladsheim wrote: so how long until this event starts?, im lost without the calender Try, you know, MLG's website. They only have a giant countdown clock telling you when. that clock is only correct if you live in EST btw
Well, we do go by KST and the event is in NYC. Why the heck wouldn't they go by the timezone they're in. ._.
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On February 24 2012 15:07 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 15:02 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 24 2012 14:56 L3gendary wrote:On February 24 2012 14:53 gladsheim wrote: so how long until this event starts?, im lost without the calender Try, you know, MLG's website. They only have a giant countdown clock telling you when. that clock is only correct if you live in EST btw Well, we do go by KST and the event is in NYC. Why the heck wouldn't they go by the timezone they're in. ._.
I think you misunderstand. It's not a clock as in 'This event starts at 5:30pm', its a countdown clock, as in 'This event starts in 10 hours'.
They screwed it up though. It looks like now it displays: EventStartTime - UsersLocalTime (not taking into account timezones). This will therefore be different depending on where you live. For me its about 2.5 hrs. That would have the event starting at about 3:30am in NYC.
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On February 23 2012 15:15 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 14:50 Xyl wrote: So much unnecessary drama! Between GSL 2012 Season 1 Solo and Team matches, MLG 2012 Season 1 matches, MLG Winter Arena matches, GSL's King of Kongs Tournament and December's AOL, I have watched so much Starcraft 2 these past 3 months and still have 1.5 months before both organizations have their 2012 season 2 events. With way more than enough games from only 2 organizations, I can go to the source to watch the events and don't require some calendar for easier access. I feel it's comparable to folks who pirate movies - they want to watch as many movies as possible but don't want to pay for it and find a way to complain that each release in theaters or DVD/Bluray is too expensive. Meanwhile, those of us who care about quality chose what we watch and support our hobbies/passions with our income. We also understand that there's insufficient time to enjoy all the high quality releases even if we could afford 'em.
To summarize: MLG will do just fine, Hot Bid. The publicity of the main events will pull in new players much like it always has. And just like any PPV event, the hardcore/interested fans will support them and get an extra dose of awesome matches.
An aside: GOM's 2012 pricing (where even a Premium+ yearly ticket doesn't get you ever 2012 show) should be evidence that this tournament broadcasting is a business, and the best tournament organizers have to find more effective ways to monetize the business. MLG's pricing for 2012 ($20 PPV season tickets x 4 + $20 Gold membership = $100) is still much cheaper than GOM's. So I did some computations to see if this is true. According to my math: GSL will have ~3,350 games this year (counted number of sets per season, multipled by 3 games for simplicity which I will hold consistent for MLG as well, and 5 seasons). A yearly monthly ticket for GSL/GSTL will cost $239.88. That's ~14 games per dollar, without including Off the Record, AoL, and other special tournaments which are included in Monthly Premium +. MLG Arenas will have ~732 games (61 sets per tournament, 3 games per set like above, 4 seasons). The ticket for the whole year is $100 as you said. So that's 7.32 games per $1. Based on number of games, GSL has almost twice as many games per dollar (without counting special events) than MLG. Was bored at work so I was just curious about it :p Umm, you are forgetting actual MLG events - you know, the LAN events we've had for 9 years now. The 3-day event with even more games than the Arena matches. And you're not restricted to only watching SC 2 matches. The amount of matches per event easily triples 1 Arena weekend. And there are 4 events this year much like there are 4 Arena events. Why did you think I included a $20 Gold membership when the season tickets were already accounted for?
This kind of math has a striking similarity with the way insurance companies advertize - proving a limited subset of the whole picture to suit their purpose.
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On February 24 2012 11:11 Dinosaur wrote: I'd hardly call it advertising to provide a calendar slot for MLG . I'd see it as information. And as such I'd consider it as a disservice to the community not to list PPV events. In my oppinion the OP by Hotbid seems like a somewhat forced rationalization. If a PPV event wants real advertising they can buy a banner at the frontpage...right?
Assembly beat them to it... I don't think you can have 2 clocks running at a time (no i don't mean its technically impossible) especially when they have almost the same date.
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Here's my opinion with this entire situation:
Let's first start with an example. Lets say I owned a jewelry manufacturing company, the only one in the world. I was a very successful company due to various reasons. In my company I produced three different types of jewelry: bronze, silver, and gold. In the whole world there was also only three mines that gathered/mined these minerals. The mines were named as follows, Bronzonian (mined the bronze minerals), Silverado (mined the silver minerals), and Goldtopia (mined the gold minerals). These were the only mines in the entire world and I was the only jewelry manufacturer in the whole world. The only reason they were in business was because I bought minerals from them and the only reason I was in business was because I had a supplier of these minerals. Our companies could only be prosperous if both of us were in business, without either the jewelry manufacturer or the mines the other companies would fail. With that being said, during our lifetime of business we would want to make sure that both the mines and the jewelry manufacturer were prosperous, because without each other cannot exist.
Now lets say the gold mine has a series natural disasters causing them to have more expenses than expected. Because of these expenses they will now probably have to charge more per carrot of gold. Now there's a fine line between what is acceptable and what isn't acceptable. As long as it's reasonably close to acceptable the jewelry manufacturer shouldn't have any problem with paying the extra cost to buy the gold. Because remember, if the gold mine goes out of business there is no other gold mines in the whole world and we would not be able to make gold jewelry ever again. So we can take the risk and not pay the gold miner more money, but if they go out of business because we were stingy and stupid then in turn we hurt our own business.
In business there are other businesses that play a key role in why you are in business. There are some businesses that are only around because other businesses are there and if one business were to fail then a whole series of businesses would then suffer. So in the business world it is important to plan for the future and to always remember that there are other businesses that you are counting on and there are businesses that are counting on you.
Now to my main point. Yes, I know that teamliquid has been around for a long time, but at the start of Starcraft 2 teamliquid changed itself from a hobby to a business. They now have headquarters and have actual paid employees. I feel like there are a few major factors that have put Team Liquid on the next level and made them a sustainable business including GomTV (GSL), Major League Gaming (MLG), Dreamhack, NASL, IPL, and of course the most important Blizzard, because without blizzard there wouldn't even be Starcraft 2. Now I feel like Team Liquid is hurting (not intentionally) MLG by not putting up the MLG Winter Arena event on the calendar and on the countdown timer. Now you might say who cares, we don't agree with MLG charging $20 per person to watch their event, but by hurting MLG Team Liquid is in turn hurting itself. Without MLG the North American Starcraft 2 scene is way different and many people would lose a tremendous amount of interest in the game (yes i know IPL is also in NA). MLG is like one of the mines in my example and Team Liquid is like the jewelry manufacturer. By not putting the MLG Winter Arena on the calendar and countdown Team Liquid is hurting MLG and is also indirectly hurting itself.
**I apologize for any grammar or spelling mistakes, I wrote this very fast and it's 2 am. I didn't reread this because I'm too tired so hopefully I made sense.
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On February 24 2012 15:16 BoxingKangaroo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 15:07 StarStruck wrote:On February 24 2012 15:02 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 24 2012 14:56 L3gendary wrote:On February 24 2012 14:53 gladsheim wrote: so how long until this event starts?, im lost without the calender Try, you know, MLG's website. They only have a giant countdown clock telling you when. that clock is only correct if you live in EST btw Well, we do go by KST and the event is in NYC. Why the heck wouldn't they go by the timezone they're in. ._. I think you misunderstand. It's not a clock as in 'This event starts at 5:30pm', its a countdown clock, as in 'This event starts in 10 hours'. They screwed it up though. It looks like now it displays: EventStartTime - UsersLocalTime (not taking into account timezones). This will therefore be different depending on where you live. For me its about 2.5 hrs. That would have the event starting at about 3:30am in NYC.
I cannot see that because I'm EST as well. :/
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On February 24 2012 15:53 Secret05 wrote: Here's my opinion with this entire situation:
Let's first start with an example. Lets say I owned a jewelry manufacturing company, the only one in the world. I was a very successful company due to various reasons. In my company I produced three different types of jewelry: bronze, silver, and gold. In the whole world there was also only three mines that gathered/mined these minerals. The mines were named as follows, Bronzonian (mined the bronze minerals), Silverado (mined the silver minerals), and Goldtopia (mined the gold minerals). These were the only mines in the entire world and I was the only jewelry manufacturer in the whole world. The only reason they were in business was because I bought minerals from them and the only reason I was in business was because I had a supplier of these minerals. Our companies could only be prosperous if both of us were in business, without either the jewelry manufacturer or the mines the other companies would fail. With that being said, during our lifetime of business we would want to make sure that both the mines and the jewelry manufacturer were prosperous, because without each other cannot exist.
Now lets say the gold mine has a series natural disasters causing them to have more expenses than expected. Because of these expenses they will now probably have to charge more per carrot of gold. Now there's a fine line between what is acceptable and what isn't acceptable. As long as it's reasonably close to acceptable the jewelry manufacturer shouldn't have any problem with paying the extra cost to buy the gold. Because remember, if the gold mine goes out of business there is no other gold mines in the whole world and we would not be able to make gold jewelry ever again. So we can take the risk and not pay the gold miner more money, but if they go out of business because we were stingy and stupid then in turn we hurt our own business.
In business there are other businesses that play a key role in why you are in business. There are some businesses that are only around because other businesses are there and if one business were to fail then a whole series of businesses would then suffer. So in the business world it is important to plan for the future and to always remember that there are other businesses that you are counting on and there are businesses that are counting on you.
Now to my main point. Yes, I know that teamliquid has been around for a long time, but at the start of Starcraft 2 teamliquid changed itself from a hobby to a business. They now have headquarters and have actual paid employees. I feel like there are a few major factors that have put Team Liquid on the next level and made them a sustainable business including GomTV (GSL), Major League Gaming (MLG), Dreamhack, NASL, IPL, and of course the most important Blizzard, because without blizzard there wouldn't even be Starcraft 2. Now I feel like Team Liquid is hurting (not intentionally) MLG by not putting up the MLG Winter Arena event on the calendar and on the countdown timer. Now you might say who cares, we don't agree with MLG charging $20 per person to watch their event, but by hurting MLG Team Liquid is in turn hurting itself. Without MLG the North American Starcraft 2 scene is way different and many people would lose a tremendous amount of interest in the game (yes i know IPL is also in NA). MLG is like one of the mines in my example and Team Liquid is like the jewelry manufacturer. By not putting the MLG Winter Arena on the calendar and countdown Team Liquid is hurting MLG and is also indirectly hurting itself.
**I apologize for any grammar or spelling mistakes, I wrote this very fast and it's 2 am. I didn't reread this because I'm too tired so hopefully I made sense.
If the gold mine goes out of buisness someone else will take over...
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On February 24 2012 16:01 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 15:16 BoxingKangaroo wrote:On February 24 2012 15:07 StarStruck wrote:On February 24 2012 15:02 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 24 2012 14:56 L3gendary wrote:On February 24 2012 14:53 gladsheim wrote: so how long until this event starts?, im lost without the calender Try, you know, MLG's website. They only have a giant countdown clock telling you when. that clock is only correct if you live in EST btw Well, we do go by KST and the event is in NYC. Why the heck wouldn't they go by the timezone they're in. ._. I think you misunderstand. It's not a clock as in 'This event starts at 5:30pm', its a countdown clock, as in 'This event starts in 10 hours'. They screwed it up though. It looks like now it displays: EventStartTime - UsersLocalTime (not taking into account timezones). This will therefore be different depending on where you live. For me its about 2.5 hrs. That would have the event starting at about 3:30am in NYC. I cannot see that because I'm EST as well. :/
I don't even see the countdown. I go to the MLG site and a red banner at the top says "The MLG Winter Arena starts Feb 24 at 5:30pm ET! Watch the demo and get a pass"
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On February 24 2012 16:11 y0su wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 15:53 Secret05 wrote: Here's my opinion with this entire situation:
Let's first start with an example. Lets say I owned a jewelry manufacturing company, the only one in the world. I was a very successful company due to various reasons. In my company I produced three different types of jewelry: bronze, silver, and gold. In the whole world there was also only three mines that gathered/mined these minerals. The mines were named as follows, Bronzonian (mined the bronze minerals), Silverado (mined the silver minerals), and Goldtopia (mined the gold minerals). These were the only mines in the entire world and I was the only jewelry manufacturer in the whole world. The only reason they were in business was because I bought minerals from them and the only reason I was in business was because I had a supplier of these minerals. Our companies could only be prosperous if both of us were in business, without either the jewelry manufacturer or the mines the other companies would fail. With that being said, during our lifetime of business we would want to make sure that both the mines and the jewelry manufacturer were prosperous, because without each other cannot exist.
Now lets say the gold mine has a series natural disasters causing them to have more expenses than expected. Because of these expenses they will now probably have to charge more per carrot of gold. Now there's a fine line between what is acceptable and what isn't acceptable. As long as it's reasonably close to acceptable the jewelry manufacturer shouldn't have any problem with paying the extra cost to buy the gold. Because remember, if the gold mine goes out of business there is no other gold mines in the whole world and we would not be able to make gold jewelry ever again. So we can take the risk and not pay the gold miner more money, but if they go out of business because we were stingy and stupid then in turn we hurt our own business.
In business there are other businesses that play a key role in why you are in business. There are some businesses that are only around because other businesses are there and if one business were to fail then a whole series of businesses would then suffer. So in the business world it is important to plan for the future and to always remember that there are other businesses that you are counting on and there are businesses that are counting on you.
Now to my main point. Yes, I know that teamliquid has been around for a long time, but at the start of Starcraft 2 teamliquid changed itself from a hobby to a business. They now have headquarters and have actual paid employees. I feel like there are a few major factors that have put Team Liquid on the next level and made them a sustainable business including GomTV (GSL), Major League Gaming (MLG), Dreamhack, NASL, IPL, and of course the most important Blizzard, because without blizzard there wouldn't even be Starcraft 2. Now I feel like Team Liquid is hurting (not intentionally) MLG by not putting up the MLG Winter Arena event on the calendar and on the countdown timer. Now you might say who cares, we don't agree with MLG charging $20 per person to watch their event, but by hurting MLG Team Liquid is in turn hurting itself. Without MLG the North American Starcraft 2 scene is way different and many people would lose a tremendous amount of interest in the game (yes i know IPL is also in NA). MLG is like one of the mines in my example and Team Liquid is like the jewelry manufacturer. By not putting the MLG Winter Arena on the calendar and countdown Team Liquid is hurting MLG and is also indirectly hurting itself.
**I apologize for any grammar or spelling mistakes, I wrote this very fast and it's 2 am. I didn't reread this because I'm too tired so hopefully I made sense. If the gold mine goes out of buisness someone else will take over...
Well your jewelry manufacturing company is going to hurt for a long time and maybe go bankrupt until someone else takes over and someone else might never take over... Esports right now is a very fragile market, if a company as large as MLG fails then that will worry other potential investors and they will probably never invest in the market. I think if the gold mine goes out of business in our scenario then there will not be someone that takes its place.
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On February 24 2012 16:17 aNDRoM wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 16:01 StarStruck wrote:On February 24 2012 15:16 BoxingKangaroo wrote:On February 24 2012 15:07 StarStruck wrote:On February 24 2012 15:02 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 24 2012 14:56 L3gendary wrote:On February 24 2012 14:53 gladsheim wrote: so how long until this event starts?, im lost without the calender Try, you know, MLG's website. They only have a giant countdown clock telling you when. that clock is only correct if you live in EST btw Well, we do go by KST and the event is in NYC. Why the heck wouldn't they go by the timezone they're in. ._. I think you misunderstand. It's not a clock as in 'This event starts at 5:30pm', its a countdown clock, as in 'This event starts in 10 hours'. They screwed it up though. It looks like now it displays: EventStartTime - UsersLocalTime (not taking into account timezones). This will therefore be different depending on where you live. For me its about 2.5 hrs. That would have the event starting at about 3:30am in NYC. I cannot see that because I'm EST as well. :/ I don't even see the countdown. I go to the MLG site and a red banner at the top says "The MLG Winter Arena starts Feb 24 at 5:30pm ET! Watch the demo and get a pass"
They may have taken it down. It used to be on the right side of the page, but now I can't even see it.
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I think its sad that MLG won't pay for a sponsored thread or calendar spot or w/e
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So MLG didn't get free advertisement from TL. Big deal.
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On February 24 2012 16:21 BoxingKangaroo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 16:17 aNDRoM wrote:On February 24 2012 16:01 StarStruck wrote:On February 24 2012 15:16 BoxingKangaroo wrote:On February 24 2012 15:07 StarStruck wrote:On February 24 2012 15:02 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 24 2012 14:56 L3gendary wrote:On February 24 2012 14:53 gladsheim wrote: so how long until this event starts?, im lost without the calender Try, you know, MLG's website. They only have a giant countdown clock telling you when. that clock is only correct if you live in EST btw Well, we do go by KST and the event is in NYC. Why the heck wouldn't they go by the timezone they're in. ._. I think you misunderstand. It's not a clock as in 'This event starts at 5:30pm', its a countdown clock, as in 'This event starts in 10 hours'. They screwed it up though. It looks like now it displays: EventStartTime - UsersLocalTime (not taking into account timezones). This will therefore be different depending on where you live. For me its about 2.5 hrs. That would have the event starting at about 3:30am in NYC. I cannot see that because I'm EST as well. :/ I don't even see the countdown. I go to the MLG site and a red banner at the top says "The MLG Winter Arena starts Feb 24 at 5:30pm ET! Watch the demo and get a pass" They may have taken it down. It used to be on the right side of the page, but now I can't even see it.
That's weird because I never saw it even when there was active conversation about it showing the wrong time. Maybe it's because I'm logged into the MLG site and I just see a red button to buy the PPV pass on the right side of the page.
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Well, this event got so much hype that not being on the calender won't hurt MLG at all. Maybe the next events will be a little less popular.
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