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The whole situation is a mess for the players because none of them are at fault. PartinG was at an overall advantage, but not for that particular fight. To top it all off, MKP showed that he was well capable of taking games that were not in his favor at all in the Bomber and Squirtle matches. If the replay is made public, I definitely won't hesitate to look further into it, but ultimately, the refs made a call, and thats the way it is.
Overall, MKP played impressively once again, as did PartinG and Maru. Too bad nobody will remember the individual matches...
Edit: I think the best way GOM could have handled it yesterday would be to extend the series between PartinG and MKP into a BO3, with PartinG up by one.
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At the end of the day, it will go down as one of those tainted sporting victories... it happens in every sport, very disappointing... if I was Parting, I'd be depressed... you can argue about what-ifs but the numbers tell a story... I found it very disheartening that the Gom Judges couldn't take a decision on that evidence...
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Yeah don't say something and then don't expect it to happen. I remember writing a post and then said, " I didn't care ban me if you want" and sure enough I got banned. so watch what you say.
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On April 09 2012 01:29 canikizu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2012 01:22 ooozer wrote: Wether or not Parting would have won that game, nobody can deny the impact this game had on the outcome of the final. With Parting beating MKP he would've all killed the best players of Prime while still playing as the ace of his own team, aswell as having squirtle, Bomber and Curious waiting for the potential killing blow. Being in an advantageous position, such as Parting, and getting dropped of the game has a greater negative influence on one's momentum than it would have when you're on the backfoot. Basically, MKP got a second chance ("I lost that game, so I'm not gonna let him do that again) in an extremly volatile match while Parting must have been like "I won that game, I can't lose now!", thus pressuring himself much harder. Parting clearly lost the game of nerves. MKP all-killing the rest of ST (though the bobmer game was close) wasn't much of a suprise at all http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319285Didn't that happen a while ago? Prime won.
Once again: I'm not saying ST would've won after beating MKP with Parting, but the outcome wouldn't remind you of a clean sweep (5:2 is clearly one sided). You know, just because Byun beat Parting back then, doesn't mean it's gonna happen again. The outcome of ByunvsParting wouldn't been in favor of byun just because he beat him back then. You also have to consider that parting would've had great momentum after beating Maru, BBoongBBoong and MKP back to back
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On April 09 2012 01:31 Ferr3t wrote: I think the best way GOM could have handled it yesterday would be to extend the series between PartinG and MKP into a BO3, with PartinG up by one. That would be pretty brilliant, albeit a bit iffy.
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On April 09 2012 01:20 TheRealNanMan wrote: Awesome interviews!
I like that Prime's Coach stepped up about the disconnect "I ask GomTV to release the replay so that there is no misunderstanding. If Startale or the fans think that Parting deserved a win, I will resign as team Prime’s coach."
I'm not sure how this is 'stepping up'. There's nothing actually on the line even though he says he'll 'resign' because absolutely no one and nothing that can hold him to account. There's no point where he actually has to resign. It was just pointless bravado.
Glad we might get a replay for it.
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On April 09 2012 01:39 infey wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2012 01:20 TheRealNanMan wrote: Awesome interviews!
I like that Prime's Coach stepped up about the disconnect "I ask GomTV to release the replay so that there is no misunderstanding. If Startale or the fans think that Parting deserved a win, I will resign as team Prime’s coach." I'm not sure how this is 'stepping up'. There's nothing actually on the line even though he says he'll 'resign' because absolutely no one and nothing that can hold him to account. There's no point where he actually has to resign. It was just pointless bravado. Glad we might get a replay for it.
It's actually a great way of silencing the critics. By placing his on career on the line, critizist think twice before they say what they think, because they could destroy his career because of a single tournament(which a kind hearted person wouldn't do).
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Would be cool if MC joined Prime since they need protoss and MC seems to be dropping off without a team. Him and MKP are like best freinds from way back at MBC anyway when they were teamates and it was obvious they have good chemistry in HSC. I'm calling it MC goes to prime within next 6 months.
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On April 09 2012 01:58 tdt wrote: Would be cool if MC joined Prime since they need protoss and MC seems to be dropping off without a team. Him and MKP are like best freinds from way back at MBC anyway when they were teamates and it was obvious they have good chemistry in HSC. I'm calling it MC goes to prime within next 6 months. BOY MC SURE IS DROPPING OFF! He's only Code S and won a large tournament in March, but that's falling off right?
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On April 09 2012 01:32 sjperera wrote: At the end of the day, it will go down as one of those tainted sporting victories... it happens in every sport, very disappointing... if I was Parting, I'd be depressed... you can argue about what-ifs but the numbers tell a story... I found it very disheartening that the Gom Judges couldn't take a decision on that evidence... Tainted victory my ass... It's not like the coaches decided it. It was the ref., just like in any other sport/competition, you accept the decision and move on.
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On April 09 2012 02:02 ptrpb wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2012 01:58 tdt wrote: Would be cool if MC joined Prime since they need protoss and MC seems to be dropping off without a team. Him and MKP are like best freinds from way back at MBC anyway when they were teamates and it was obvious they have good chemistry in HSC. I'm calling it MC goes to prime within next 6 months. BOY MC SURE IS DROPPING OFF! He's only Code S and won a large tournament in March, but that's falling off right? It sure is! Nestea and MVP have dropped off too. RIP their career as a progamer.
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Congrats on the insane win Prime & MKP
Now go take IPL4 :D
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If I beat Nestea and Polt, I will win no matter what Huh, he doesn't even think about his first match vs MMA. Looks like he might get some deserved spanking for that. (or maybe he didn't know the bracket at the time, because the mentions sound kinda random)
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On April 08 2012 20:48 how2TL wrote: EVERYONE
Can we keep the true enemy in sight? Blizzard. LAN. Or some feature to allow a game to be continued from the drop time.
Guys its NOT MKP or GARRADS FAULT.
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On April 09 2012 00:25 Belisarius wrote: Is it bad that I'm incredibly excited they're going to release that replay, just to watch the game?
Dat storm/anti-storm micro... I'm fine with the ref's decision, I just want to absorb Parting's build and watch his play.
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On April 08 2012 22:43 Doublemint wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 21:47 ma70 wrote: Awesome job Prime! Good job winning.
PS: For all of the people that are complaining about the re-game thing, MKP beat every other player pretty soundly. Then there's Byun/Creator, which are two very good players known for being the aces of Prime as well. I don't see how this re-game translates to Prime actually losing. This community is very strange.....everyone just wants everyone else to fail. Sort of sad. Which is remarkable, and anybody denying he is an outstanding player is plain wrong - but he should not have played further games to begin with. And lol @ your skewed perception of everybody wants successful people to fail... Also I think it as a dickish move of Gerrard to be honest ( in a western context - maybe in a korean it´s different and he really means it- however irrational it is either way)
You bring up a good point. He wouldn't have beat them if he wasn't there to begin with, but Prime still had two other good players. We have no idea which way it would have went if he got knocked out. Oh well.
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Good for Gerrard for really making a point of how much he really does believe that the right decision was made. Personally, in a totally selfish way, I'm glad there was a regame; the first game was really good and I wanted to see another between the two of them. I really feel like the refs probably made the right call, they spent 20 minutes deciding which way to go and they knew that whatever they chose half the fans would blame them for how the whole event went. If they had awarded the game to PartinG I would bet that the arguments would be at least as vehement. Anyways: congratulations to Prime and MKP those games were really well played and hard fought. Well played by Startale as well, it is a shame that seven (or eight) incredible games are being ignored by the community, instead we are just arguing over referee decisions.
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I don't understand how some people are trying to argue that Prime's GSTL win isn't tainted by the regame. Sorry, but it is. Your (presumably) favorite team already won, so you should just be happy with that. The circumstances objectively weren't ideal, and MKP incontrovertibly had luck on his side. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
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On April 09 2012 04:27 HolyArrow wrote: I don't understand how some people are trying to argue that Prime's GSTL win isn't tainted by the regame. Sorry, but it is. Your (presumably) favorite team already won, so you should just be happy with that. The circumstances objectively weren't ideal, and MKP incontrovertibly had luck on his side. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
It's not tainted by the regame because the regame was the only good decision to make. Now that we, the fans, have had time to think about it, there is a general concensus that the best option would have been to do a Bo3 between MKP and Parting with Parting up 1-0, but that was something we came up with, not them, and not until after it was over. If they had just given Parting the win for that game there would be almost as much rage from Prime/MKP fans and the results would be just as "tainted." - So really there is no salvaging the series in the minds of everyone.
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On April 09 2012 04:27 HolyArrow wrote: I don't understand how some people are trying to argue that Prime's GSTL win isn't tainted by the regame. Sorry, but it is. Your (presumably) favorite team already won, so you should just be happy with that. The circumstances objectively weren't ideal, and MKP incontrovertibly had luck on his side. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
Trust MKP, he is just such an amazing human being with insane micro which can turn the tide of any battle no matter what disadvantage he is in, nothing is impossible for him no comeback from, nothing, parting would have been totally obliterated if the game did not dc, guess startale got lucky that they got an excuse for the defeat.
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