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On April 15 2012 00:18 Big J wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2012 00:13 Derez wrote: The GSL format is perfect as it is. Extended series lead to garbage, uninteresting games and round robin is not a viable alternative because playing 6 bo3's for every day of pool play would simply be too long. Tournaments need to be watchable from an entertainment perspective without having to sit in front of your TV for 8 hours. round robin are 6 bo3's. The system right now is 5 bo3's, I don't think this is the big problem. I don't think they would want round robin anymore, it can create meaningless matches for some players if they are already 0-2 in group. They did this in blizzard cup, and it backfired terribly.
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What are you effing high?? Extended series is the stupidest thing to ever hit competitive play. This has to be a troll? You can't possibly think people think this is a good idea?? :p
If you lost a game previously, it's completely ridiculous that you get a huge disadvantage if you face that particular player again instead of facing any other player in the tournament. You always deserve to be where you are cause you have beaten the players nessecary to get there.
So you have to pray that that player gets knocked out otherwise you are screwed.
Besides, in competitive sc2 you might be better against a particular race / style / player, but that doesn't nessecarily mean that this player is better because he could be lacking against an other race / style / player.
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I'm sorry, but have you ever seen ONE interview with ANY player after ANY MLG? Have you seen ANY LR thread after ANY MLG? The extended series rule is BAD, lets NOT make it spoil MORE then it already does. I do not approve this message. Sorry.
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Extended series is the most retarded thing ever invented in tournament play. Im sorry but i cant see how anyone thinks its fair, granted youve won against someone already, but you have already gotten the benefits from that win by getting farther ahead in the tournament tree. If you look at the odds of how series go after one player leads by a game or even 2, they become so strongly onesided in favor of the player leading its ridiculous.
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Extended series is ridiculous. Starcraft has allways been played in BOX series. Not playing for every single game means that players will prepare riskier builds for longer BOX series. If 2-1 is worse than 2-0 then players will play more conservatively and we will see less varied play which makes the game LESS FUN to watch.
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Its double elimination. Its the best system.
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My reaction to this could only properly be explained through a Futurama Fry meme, but let's just say that Extended Series has never, ever done anything good for esports; adding it to the highest level tournament in the world would be an embarrasment.
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This is a bad idea. You are completely ignoring the other results of the guys in the group. If they are facing eachother again in the last game that means both of them have 1 win and 1 loss, so they are even. Thus a single, new Bo3 is the best way to decide who should advance.
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Why does winning the first time mean you are the better player, who would needs more advantages later? Also if you actually are the definite better player you should be able to win a bo3 again, shouldn't you? With the logic of extended series you should be able to then ask for a best of X, it being infinity until you win more games, it is ridiculous..
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GSL is fine the way it is.
Extended series is just another way to punish the loser when the two players meet again when they. I honestly don't see how this is really fair. It also just adds in more unnecessary games and time.
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For me a traditional group stage would be better but this is also okay. But please no extendend series. It's the most stupid format in esport and there is a reason only MLG uses it.
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No more extended series again, ever. Please.
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They should make the GSL a round robin of 32 players - that will define the best player!
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The most important thing that you're forgetting here is the hype, which extended series kills outright.
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On April 14 2012 23:08 Lobo2me wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2012 22:56 sjperera wrote: At the end of the day... both players come into the 5th set.. 1-1 in the group... so it' fair despite their previous record... don't really like the idea of extended series... one thing i hate about MLG and... the recent IPL too... What happened in the recent IPL that was extended series? .... the finals?
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I really hate extended series. I don't even like double elimination. I don't like anything where a match between two players has rules more complicated than, "win this BoX from a score of 0-0 and win the series".
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On April 15 2012 01:10 sc14s wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2012 23:08 Lobo2me wrote:On April 14 2012 22:56 sjperera wrote: At the end of the day... both players come into the 5th set.. 1-1 in the group... so it' fair despite their previous record... don't really like the idea of extended series... one thing i hate about MLG and... the recent IPL too... What happened in the recent IPL that was extended series? .... the finals? Double Elimination (2x BO5 Finals) =/= Extended Series
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On April 15 2012 01:10 sc14s wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2012 23:08 Lobo2me wrote:On April 14 2012 22:56 sjperera wrote: At the end of the day... both players come into the 5th set.. 1-1 in the group... so it' fair despite their previous record... don't really like the idea of extended series... one thing i hate about MLG and... the recent IPL too... What happened in the recent IPL that was extended series? .... the finals? It wasn't extended series. It was just the winner's advantage that comes with double elimination. You have to lose 2 series to be eliminated. The team coming from the winners bracket hasn't lost one to that point. If they lose the first series, each team has lost once, and they have to play a second series.
Extended series only happen when two teams have played earlier in the tournament.
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On April 15 2012 01:10 sc14s wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2012 23:08 Lobo2me wrote:On April 14 2012 22:56 sjperera wrote: At the end of the day... both players come into the 5th set.. 1-1 in the group... so it' fair despite their previous record... don't really like the idea of extended series... one thing i hate about MLG and... the recent IPL too... What happened in the recent IPL that was extended series? .... the finals? There was no extended series in the IPL final. IPL used a standard double elimination format, which means you have to lose 2 BoX to be knocked out. Extended series is something completely different.
Also, why would you want to ruin GSL's group format (which is by far the best one currently used in professional gaming) with extended series? :S
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