I use to think like that, few months ago. but honestly if u keep improving and say by chance u pass that one booster player that has like 5 account ur gonna jump 5 ranks ahead, instead of one. so just keep getting better i guess
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ElmOaid
Sudan41 Posts
I use to think like that, few months ago. but honestly if u keep improving and say by chance u pass that one booster player that has like 5 account ur gonna jump 5 ranks ahead, instead of one. so just keep getting better i guess | ||
JerKy
Korea (South)3013 Posts
On July 17 2012 04:42 GoSh4rks wrote: Because the SATs are actually tied to you. As in you need ID from a government or your school to verify your identity. Starcraft does not require this. I disagree. It's actually very easy to cheat on SAT's, almost too easy in fact I've personally been offered to take someone's SAT multiple times for money with the promise of a fake ID; its not very difficult Also, the point isnt about HOW you cheat; its the fact that its still a form of cheating, and the same idea of "I want someone to do this for me so that I can get something I normally wouldnt be able to get". That's the parallel he's trying to make | ||
Wegandi
United States2455 Posts
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iAmJeffReY
United States4262 Posts
I level names all the time for anyone that asks me to do it. I find it amazingly fun to just troll and try out new strats. There's no harm it in, what so ever. The real question is why are you so butthurt that you made this thread? What happened to make you so angry to type out that thesis paper? I don't understand the witch hunt over people leveling names. Nothing is really based off ladder, at all. So what, you didn't get GM this season because of people having leveled names. I think there are a bit too many white knights that care way too much about a video game ladder. It's a game, it's for fun. If someone wants to pay to have an icon, let them do it. It's probably really fun to the pros to actually have FUN and fuck around and troll people, and not be a try hard 24/7. Hacking? That's a real issue. Account sharing, or leveling, I don't see a problem with it. Since ladder doesn't mean anything, and rank 1, and rank 99 are all the same -- no name nobodies nine times out of ten. | ||
TyrionSC2
United States411 Posts
Really good research by OP. I think it definitely needs stopped. inafter elmo flames me | ||
Specialist
United States803 Posts
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Toadvine
Poland2234 Posts
On July 17 2012 04:56 Excalibur_Z wrote: I'd definitely push for such a ban, and I say this as someone who watched his stream more frequently than any other featured stream on TL. Rainbow is one of my favorite players. Lots of people have issue with the ladder because it's so obfuscated, and lots of people (high-level players in particular) hate GM because it's essentially a snapshot rather than a constantly-updated definitive list of the top 200 players in a region. That doesn't mean that GM has no merit to most players, because the non-GM players look to GM as their next progression point or as a list of players to track. Players in GM league commonly wear that as a badge of honor. GM is not intended to be the same as an up-to-date "200 best" list, instead it's designed to showcase notable players for a season (and the seasons are pretty short anyway). It seems to fit that role with how often players are chatting about who's new in GM. GM does mean something in that regard, as it should. Players who are not only boosting other people's accounts but profiting off them ruin the integrity of the most prominent league in the game. The "free market" argument doesn't apply here because there is actual system manipulation practiced. It's one thing to offer training or coaching, quite another to actively cheat via account sharing (which is also prohibited by the way). There's another issue with GM related to the limited number of slots, and that's using multiple accounts. I've seen quite a few examples of players looking to get all 2/3/4/5 (or however many they have) of their accounts in GM. That can't really be policed effectively (every enforcement method has a workaround), but is also not as detrimental because those accounts aren't getting in under false pretenses. When this happens, instead of 200 unique players it's more like 100 unique players, which just means the people who would be #101-200 need to play that much better to break into GM the next time. That's not as big a deal. I challenge you to look at Korean GM and then keep talking about "the integrity of the most prominent league in the game" with a straight face. I mean, come on. Also, the ban on account sharing is nonsensical in the first place - pointless and impossible to enforce. | ||
OFCORPSE
Sweden355 Posts
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habeck
1120 Posts
On July 17 2012 05:36 OFCORPSE wrote: It's probably been said a lot already, but... Who cares. If your MMR is high enough, does it matter what league you're in? no, exactly, if you have top MMR, you can be in bronze during ladder lockdown and still play vs GM. I dont actually understand your point, and i bet you dont understand either. | ||
branflakes14
2082 Posts
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Dosey
United States4505 Posts
The only thing being hurt here are the wallets of the ones paying for the leveling. Aspiring pros are hurt because they can't make it into GM? Are you serious? GM is flawed in itself as has been brought up MANY times, even by the pros. Everyone (good) also knows that once you make it into masters, rank means absolute shit. The only true deciding factor of skill once you make it there, is who you beat and how well you play. THAT is how you will get noticed. THAT is how you will get on a fucking team. Not by being in GM. Yes, teams do have cutoffs for applications, but they are usually set at masters. As for the claims that it supports the hacking community... no, you're wrong. Hackers and potential hackers who frequent the websites and purchase the actual hack, they support the hacking community. The traffic alone probably pays for the website and everything else is profit. Something like this would go directly in their pocket (if the hackers are the ones even facilitating this) and have no real effects on the actual hacking community. | ||
rfoster
United States1005 Posts
On July 17 2012 05:46 Dosey wrote: This is a non-issue imo. The only thing being hurt here are the wallets of the ones paying for the leveling. Aspiring pros are hurt because they can't make it into GM? Are you serious? GM is flawed in itself as has been brought up MANY times, even by the pros. Everyone (good) also knows that once you make it into masters, rank means absolute shit. The only true deciding factor of skill once you make it there, is who you beat and how well you play. THAT is how you will get noticed. THAT is how you will get on a fucking team. Not by being in GM. Yes, teams do have cutoffs for applications, but they are usually set at masters. As for the claims that it supports the hacking community... no, you're wrong. Hackers and potential hackers who frequent the websites and purchase the actual hack, they support the hacking community. The traffic alone probably pays for the website and everything else is profit. Something like this would go directly in their pocket (if the hackers are the ones even facilitating this) and have no real effects on the actual hacking community. I agree with most of your post except that I would change it to once you get to top 3 master. Rank isnt that important, but there is a huge huge difference between a low/mid master and a top master/gm player. | ||
dudesrslywtf
11 Posts
On July 17 2012 05:46 Dosey wrote: As for the claims that it supports the hacking community... no, you're wrong. Hackers and potential hackers who frequent the websites and purchase the actual hack, they support the hacking community. The traffic alone probably pays for the website and everything else is profit. Something like this would go directly in their pocket (if the hackers are the ones even facilitating this) and have no real effects on the actual hacking community. On July 17 2012 05:46 Dosey wrote:have no real effects on the actual hacking community. On July 17 2012 05:46 Dosey wrote:The traffic alone probably pays for the website Trust me, I considered that the revenue isn't much, but if it helps keep the site online then any revenue at all is too much. Besides, the very fact that pro-gamers are associating (even anonymously) with this hacking site tells all the hackers on there that these pro-gamers are totally cool with hackers and I'm sure it makes the hackers feel better and more comfortable with what they're doing. It's basically like an endorsement. | ||
GoSh4rks
United States11 Posts
On July 17 2012 05:16 JerKy wrote: I disagree. It's actually very easy to cheat on SAT's, almost too easy in fact I've personally been offered to take someone's SAT multiple times for money with the promise of a fake ID; its not very difficult Also, the point isnt about HOW you cheat; its the fact that its still a form of cheating, and the same idea of "I want someone to do this for me so that I can get something I normally wouldnt be able to get". That's the parallel he's trying to make If that is what you want to define it as, then everybody is cheating when they purchase/acquire SC2. Think about that. Your personal experience has nothing to do with this conversation, however the point is that you need a FAKE ID to even begin. Thats the difference between the SATs and SC2: there are regulations and preventative measures in place to ensure the integrity of the SAT. Nobody of importance actually gives a shit about this SC2/GM "cheating." | ||
Whatson
United States5353 Posts
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Dosey
United States4505 Posts
On July 17 2012 05:55 dudesrslywtf wrote: Trust me, I considered that the revenue isn't much, but if it helps keep the site online then any revenue at all is too much. Besides, the very fact that pro-gamers are associating (even anonymously) with this hacking site tells all the hackers on there that these pro-gamers are totally cool with hackers and I'm sure it makes the hackers feel better and more comfortable with what they're doing. It's basically like an endorsement. Hackers really don't care who "endorses" them or even if people are "cool" with them. It's an ego thing. Hackers hack because they can, they couldn't give two fucks what you think about them. Even if they weren't making insane profits, they'd still do it even if just for themselves. It doesn't "help" pay for the website. It's ALL profit if you factor in their potential revenue from traffic alone. Hell, even if you remove the traffic revenue, TWO hack purchases pays for an entire year of hosting... just two... | ||
Flonomenalz
Nigeria3519 Posts
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Linwelin
Ireland7554 Posts
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mango_destroyer
Canada3914 Posts
Yes it may be against the rules but at the same time I can`t see why anyone could really complain about this. Being GM isn`t really recognition these days IMO. | ||
dudesrslywtf
11 Posts
On July 17 2012 06:05 Dosey wrote:Hackers really don't care who "endorses" them or even if people are "cool" with them. It's an ego thing. Hackers hack because they can, they couldn't give two fucks what you think about them. Even if they weren't making insane profits, they'd still do it even if just for themselves. By "hackers" I meant the people downloading and using the hacks, not the people making them. I apologize, my wording was unclear. I'm sure the people making the hacks don't give a crap about what they're doing (I read the forum's TOS which states that they believe they are making game "enhancements"), but the people who download the hacks (who make up probably the vast majority of that community) are the ones I think are going to be influenced by this. On July 17 2012 06:05 Dosey wrote:It doesn't "help" pay for the website. It's ALL profit if you factor in their potential revenue from traffic alone. Hell, even if you remove the traffic revenue, TWO hack purchases pays for an entire year of hosting... just two... I considered that any post on that site generates them revenue. I would be equally appalled if say HuK registered an account there and started spamming up those forums with a bunch of posts of just him making chit-chat, because even those seemingly-harmless posts are still generating money that keeps that site going and supports their community. I don't know about you, but I would prefer for these hack-makers to pay to keep their stupid website online out of their own pocket rather than relying on ad-revenue that is generated by, among other things, pro-gamers advertising their services on those forums. Edit: Some further consideration that supports the point I'm making- From what I've seen on that website, I couldn't find anything but anonymous pro-gamers offering their level-boosting service, but yet numerous pro-gamers seem to be very comfortable advertising their name along with their boosting services at basically any other venue. Why do you suppose this is? This tells me that they don't want to risk losing their spot on their team by being exposed as having a connection to the hacking community. | ||
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