Patch 1.5 Patch Notes - Page 12
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Gescom
Canada3233 Posts
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phodacbiet
United States1734 Posts
On July 24 2012 22:11 Irre wrote: I'd like you to try and prove this isn't accurate... The Terrans that were winning back in the pre nerfed terran days consisted of MVP (basically the best sc2 player we have had), MKP (been consistently placing high/winning stuff since beta i believe), and Nada (no explanation necessary), Puma (at foreign events with very few koreans) and a few others. Meanwhile MC and Nestea easily shone through that when they were on top...so exactly how is it that top korean terran players just weren't better? When did you see foreign events non korean terrans dominating? If Terran was just so skillless and dominant they surely would have been able to take some tournaments during that time? Truth is, maybe things were a little wonky in those days, but through all of that zergs and protoss were spoonfed lots of balance changes, giant maps with free 3rds, no gold bases, instant elimination of terran builds when they showed to be strong, and more scouting. Hell, blizzard even went ahead and showed them what metagame to use. I'm all for balancing high levels, but when 90% of the population is suffering ( and this is apparently even true at grandmasters level like 23-25% terran representation) they really should find some way to alleviate this. Very disappointed there wasn't even some small adjustment in this patch, or an announcement that they are working on something. No changes till HoTS is just lazy. Id like you to prove that it isnt accurate that better players arent just playing zerg now. Remember when the gsl had like 20 terrans compared to like 7 zergs and 5 protoss? Sure maybe those terran players were better than the other race players... but i guess not now? Or maybe terran was just imba back then and zerg imba now? We will never know =) | ||
Tsuki.eu
Portugal1049 Posts
Anyway, i tryed a bit of the beta, and the new UI looks great. | ||
graNite
Germany4434 Posts
On July 24 2012 22:26 Gescom wrote: @graNite : If Terran is doing well statistically at top tiers of play, then what do you think needs to be done ? Most important to me seem ghost and raven buffs. I want to see terran spellcasters to be used. The raven costs 200 gas and is a LIGHT unit ?! It gets sniped way too easy because of its armor type and speed, in my opinion it should be psionic. the ghost snipe is change should be reverted and the ghost base attack vs light should be the counter to zealots, that would make sense on so many levels. | ||
Shiori
3815 Posts
On July 24 2012 22:28 phodacbiet wrote: Id like you to prove that it isnt accurate that better players arent just playing zerg now. Remember when the gsl had like 20 terrans compared to like 7 zergs and 5 protoss? Sure maybe those terran players were better than the other race players... but i guess not now? Or maybe terran was just imba back then and zerg imba now? We will never know =) Terran was imba, and it got nerfed. Even though Terran was imba, I'd say that the most top tier players played Terran. Now, I'd say that things are a little more even, but Terran still has the most top tier players. I can think of probably 15-20 truly frightening Terrans, about 10 frightening Protoss, and maybe 7 or 8 frightening Zergs. That's not to say that the people not in this list are bad or anything, but I don't think they're at a level to compete with the best of the best, so to speak. I mean, Fruitdealer won GSL when Zerg was weak as hell and undeniably underpowered. I don't see how Terrans taking the odd win in foreign tournies or in Code A (against other Terrans, no less) means anything. | ||
stonetalon
Netherlands482 Posts
On July 24 2012 17:12 Bensio wrote: I'm so glad there are no balance changes, nice that blizz have slowed down with changing stuff since the game is pretty balanced right now and HotS will knock that shit in the air anyway. i am almost 100% sure you're zerg since you said "the game is pretty balanced".... | ||
Greendotz
United Kingdom2053 Posts
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zidaneshead
245 Posts
On July 24 2012 22:24 graNite wrote: that doesnt mean anything. let me give you an example: zerg is nerfed to hell, queen, hatch and gas geysir cost 10000 in my example. also assume that 6pools are hard to defend and give 50% winrate in all matchups with zerg. that will mean all zergs will 6pool, get a 50% winrate and so there would be some zergs "winning games". but that does not mean the game is balanced. I don't see the correlation. It isn't like there's only 1 build for each race that's coinflipping Zerg. | ||
Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 24 2012 22:41 Greendotz wrote: I don't understand how there's so many people whining about the fact there's no balance changes. We've known 1.5 was going to be a maintenance/cosmetic patch for the longest time (like the last 4 months) everyone seems to be acting as if this is a surprise? Being upset about things is what we do at TL, didn't you know? Regardless of merit, there will be rage about anything Blizzard does, including doing exactly what they said they were going to do 4-5 months ago. | ||
ToD
France222 Posts
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Haarp
United States38 Posts
On July 24 2012 22:41 Greendotz wrote: I don't understand how there's so many people whining about the fact there's no balance changes. We've known 1.5 was going to be a maintenance/cosmetic patch for the longest time (like the last 4 months) everyone seems to be acting as if this is a surprise? I figured they wouldn't do any real balance changes until HotS. I'm sure when they release that game there will be a long list of balance changes :D I'm glad they are still trying to optimize the UI. There are small things that would make playing this game so much easier for hours on end. | ||
Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On July 24 2012 22:30 graNite wrote: Most important to me seem ghost and raven buffs. I want to see terran spellcasters to be used. The raven costs 200 gas and is a LIGHT unit ?! It gets sniped way too easy because of its armor type and speed, in my opinion it should be psionic. the ghost snipe is change should be reverted and the ghost base attack vs light should be the counter to zealots, that would make sense on so many levels. what does its armour class ahve to dow ith anything? having trouble with banelings clearing your ravens? aside from Thors and phoenix ravens arent going to take extra damage and TvT is the only amtch up ravens are actually used and Phoenixs arent used pretty much at all in PvT anyway ghost snipe change should not be reverted its disguisting that the Ghost used to literally hard counter every Zerg unit | ||
uikos
United States132 Posts
ahahaha select ALL the zerglings ^___^; | ||
Erik.TheRed
United States1655 Posts
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Bagi
Germany6799 Posts
On July 24 2012 22:41 Greendotz wrote: I don't understand how there's so many people whining about the fact there's no balance changes. We've known 1.5 was going to be a maintenance/cosmetic patch for the longest time (like the last 4 months) everyone seems to be acting as if this is a surprise? Those statements were when the game was considered to be in a pretty good shape, balance-wise. Currently its not. People expect Blizzard to react accordingly. I don't think reverting the queen buff for example would take a PTR to balance. | ||
Gosi
Sweden9072 Posts
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Shadow_Dog
Canada427 Posts
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On July 24 2012 22:48 Gosi wrote: I hope the "A new in-game pathing display has been added that shows the path a unit will take on the mini-map." is for like Blizzard DotA and other custom shit and not actually 1v1 play. Feels like it would be pretty nuub to have lines on your minimap showing where your army is going tbh. thats definently jsut another thing the editor can add and not for 1v1 | ||
BoneOMG
4 Posts
Players who have enabled the "Only allow friends to send me chat messages" option can now receive responses back from non-friends if they initiate the chat. The ability to chat with non-friended players will end if either player logs out, or if no conversation occurs for five minutes. It was about time Overall everything looks nice, was looking forward this whole revamp. | ||
Naphal
Germany2099 Posts
better late than never, i hope we get a new wave of awesome custom maps with this =) sniff, bnet 0.2 grows up so fast, maybe it will be a fully grown bnet when hots hits. | ||
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