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[MLG] Fall Season Broadcast Schedule - Page 6
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walklightwhat
Australia752 Posts
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Toyman69
Canada100 Posts
"MLG will feature the best MOBA games and players. League of Legends" - LMAO Edit: and its gonna just be joke games cuz of latency | ||
ContrailNZ
New Zealand306 Posts
I presume there will be VODs for all the games for those like me that can't watch live. I think the format of everything is a little complicated and it hasn't really been communicated that well. I think more countdowns on the MLG website which shows the hours till X competition starting would be good. Especially if the link shows the games that will be played that night and that by paying you can watch them live or on vods. It all gets a little complicated unless you are quite a dedicated fan like myself and are willing to figure everything out / know that MLG will put on a good show at the end of the day. | ||
ContrailNZ
New Zealand306 Posts
I would say to people just to pay and enjoy great vods in your free time like I will be :D | ||
grungust
United States325 Posts
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mrRoflpwn
United States2618 Posts
On September 26 2012 08:07 Hrrrrm wrote: PPV for cross server qualifier replay content. Wonderful. Really scraping the bottom of the barrel here. Not "premium" content sorry. My thoughts exactly | ||
stard1n
50 Posts
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yoshi245
United States2967 Posts
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AgentChaos
United Kingdom4569 Posts
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A-p-p-l-e-s
Canada314 Posts
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rename
Estonia329 Posts
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Shinespark
Chile843 Posts
On September 26 2012 13:05 walklightwhat wrote: The quantity of content is obviously worth the price, but I'm not really interested in paying to watch cross server bo1s cast from replays. Especially when a lot of the games are likely to be absurdly onesided. Pass. This is how I feel. | ||
TERRANLOL
United States626 Posts
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cletas
139 Posts
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On September 26 2012 10:54 Mackus wrote: I'm implying that they're too money orientated, they're miles behind ASUS and Dreamhack and think they can charge for this stuff while the other alternatives are better and free. Not to mention the broadcasted games aren't even live, if TSL4 charged to watch there would be an absolute uproar but MLG are arrogant enough to think they're better. They are better, they have better players, a relatively exclusive product and higher production values. So I've worked for all 3 of these tournaments you've listed, each on more than one occasion, the whole "MLG is miles behind thing" is pretty much BS. MLG blows all of those tournaments out of the water in terms of options. Dreamhack has a 720p free stream, ok that's nice, MLG has 4-6 streams, player PoV, instant-replay VoDs and a far superior streaming setup. If possible they need to get up to 60fps from 30, that's a nice experience, but since they do 1080p rather than Dreamhacks 720p they might be hard-pressed to pull that off. I hear all this talk of "better production" from people that don't know what production is. In my experience MLG has better production overall. Dreamhack has better venues and as such provides a superior live experience. It's hard to compare the Raleigh convention centre to the Ericsson Globe. MLG could definitely do with finding some more exciting venues, they're way behind on that, not even first in the US since IPL gets better venues for their gigs. Dreamhack and MLG both suffer from downtime issues, Dreamhack is currently ahead in that respect but it's not perfect, there are still plenty of crowd-shots and lots of music filler. Dreamhack gets to use copyright music, Sweden is wonderful and all that. MLG has analysis in the bag. Analysis desk plus the replay Analysis touch-screen is more professional and provides more information than the Dreamhack Analysis couch. MLG continues to get better players, Dreamhack doesn't get top-tier Koreans as often though makes up for it somewhat with European depth of talent. MLG production value in terms of audio quality tends to be superior and that's mostly because of how they do it. They keep the casters as far away from the PA as possible, minimizing the kind of nasty reverb we got in WCS EU. There tend to be less production fuckups as well, production coming through on the stream, non-functional mics, that stuff is way less common at MLG. Their "portable studio" setup is much more effective, not to mention looks significantly more professional. MLG equipment tends to be better too, I do rather dislike the gear Dreamhack uses, those bloody around the ear mics will slice ya flesh and they don't honestly sound that great either. Much prefer the Sennheiser gear MLG uses, it's more comfortable, more robust and better quality overall. There's a reason that stuff is used for sports-casts. Quite frankly, the gap, assuming there is one and that's a matter of opinion, is way smaller than people make it out to be. MLG needs to get it's act together in terms of filling down-time. More interviews, more action replays, more analysis. Ideally they could get 2 more booths and do the GSL style of setting up while another match is going on, to provide a constant stream of matches. 60fps would be nice but not essential, it's a luxury and one I'll happily give up if it means 1080p and less of the artifacting we see on the Dreamhack stream (which knowing those guys will probably be cleared up by next tournament, they're super smart). Both are great tournaments and yet I see Dreamhack constantly praised and MLG constantly shit on. MLG is trying to run a business entirely on the basis of their tournament content, they have a lot of paid staff, a lot of expensive equipment and many costs to deal with. Dreamhack is not just eSports, has many volunteers and a number of advantages due to their position as a "cultural" event. Both are awesome and I'm sick to death of one being praised (to the point of ignoring some of it's mistakes and faults) and the other being constantly shit on at every turn. The bias exists on both TL and Reddit, it's enormous and obvious and quite frankly needs to stop. It's destructive, it serves no practical purpose and if we were to lose either MLG or Dreamhack it'd be a huge blow to the scene as it stands. Both deserve support. | ||
KapsyL
Sweden704 Posts
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XilDarkz
United States563 Posts
On September 26 2012 15:09 TotalBiscuit wrote: [snipped rather large post] I'm glad that someone that has been extensively behind the scenes is shutting down that ignorance; MLG and Dreamhack are functionally different, and people should stop comparing them. Both of them can borrow ideas from each other and what do the viewers get? Even better content. Sadly the format of this tournament (bo1s, not live) is what would make or break a pass sale for me. Everything else is great, but... yea. I understand that the content I'd like is probably not feasible if possible, so there is that. | ||
OptimusTom
United States154 Posts
On September 26 2012 07:37 Chronald wrote: Best MOBA games/players? Well the best MOBA game, agreed upon by the pro-gaming community, is DotA2. The best players, also play DotA2. Get your marketing right. Say 'MLG will feature the most popular MOBA game' since that is actually what it is. Much hate in this one I sense. The dark side, succumb to he surely will | ||
Toyman69
Canada100 Posts
On September 26 2012 15:09 TotalBiscuit wrote: + Show Spoiler + On September 26 2012 10:54 Mackus wrote: I'm implying that they're too money orientated, they're miles behind ASUS and Dreamhack and think they can charge for this stuff while the other alternatives are better and free. Not to mention the broadcasted games aren't even live, if TSL4 charged to watch there would be an absolute uproar but MLG are arrogant enough to think they're better. They are better, they have better players, a relatively exclusive product and higher production values. So I've worked for all 3 of these tournaments you've listed, each on more than one occasion, the whole "MLG is miles behind thing" is pretty much BS. MLG blows all of those tournaments out of the water in terms of options. Dreamhack has a 720p free stream, ok that's nice, MLG has 4-6 streams, player PoV, instant-replay VoDs and a far superior streaming setup. If possible they need to get up to 60fps from 30, that's a nice experience, but since they do 1080p rather than Dreamhacks 720p they might be hard-pressed to pull that off. I hear all this talk of "better production" from people that don't know what production is. In my experience MLG has better production overall. Dreamhack has better venues and as such provides a superior live experience. It's hard to compare the Raleigh convention centre to the Ericsson Globe. MLG could definitely do with finding some more exciting venues, they're way behind on that, not even first in the US since IPL gets better venues for their gigs. Dreamhack and MLG both suffer from downtime issues, Dreamhack is currently ahead in that respect but it's not perfect, there are still plenty of crowd-shots and lots of music filler. Dreamhack gets to use copyright music, Sweden is wonderful and all that. MLG has analysis in the bag. Analysis desk plus the replay Analysis touch-screen is more professional and provides more information than the Dreamhack Analysis couch. MLG continues to get better players, Dreamhack doesn't get top-tier Koreans as often though makes up for it somewhat with European depth of talent. MLG production value in terms of audio quality tends to be superior and that's mostly because of how they do it. They keep the casters as far away from the PA as possible, minimizing the kind of nasty reverb we got in WCS EU. There tend to be less production fuckups as well, production coming through on the stream, non-functional mics, that stuff is way less common at MLG. Their "portable studio" setup is much more effective, not to mention looks significantly more professional. MLG equipment tends to be better too, I do rather dislike the gear Dreamhack uses, those bloody around the ear mics will slice ya flesh and they don't honestly sound that great either. Much prefer the Sennheiser gear MLG uses, it's more comfortable, more robust and better quality overall. There's a reason that stuff is used for sports-casts. Quite frankly, the gap, assuming there is one and that's a matter of opinion, is way smaller than people make it out to be. MLG needs to get it's act together in terms of filling down-time. More interviews, more action replays, more analysis. Ideally they could get 2 more booths and do the GSL style of setting up while another match is going on, to provide a constant stream of matches. 60fps would be nice but not essential, it's a luxury and one I'll happily give up if it means 1080p and less of the artifacting we see on the Dreamhack stream (which knowing those guys will probably be cleared up by next tournament, they're super smart). Both are great tournaments and yet I see Dreamhack constantly praised and MLG constantly shit on. MLG is trying to run a business entirely on the basis of their tournament content, they have a lot of paid staff, a lot of expensive equipment and many costs to deal with. Dreamhack is not just eSports, has many volunteers and a number of advantages due to their position as a "cultural" event. Both are awesome and I'm sick to death of one being praised (to the point of ignoring some of it's mistakes and faults) and the other being constantly shit on at every turn. The bias exists on both TL and Reddit, it's enormous and obvious and quite frankly needs to stop. It's destructive, it serves no practical purpose and if we were to lose either MLG or Dreamhack it'd be a huge blow to the scene as it stands. Both deserve support. As much as u defend their live tournaments it doesn't change the fact that this 1 is not live, its casted from replays played mostly cross server, b01s. Why would people pay to watch this besides kespa name value? there isnt any cuz there is tons of free sc2 content out there that will be better just based on format alone, not even considering that no esf player r in this | ||
Hiea
Denmark1538 Posts
Now combine the fact that there is premium subs for everything else then yeah.. They really should have a free stream at 480, HD in premium and make some VOD restriction like GSL. If you compare this tournament to that of an arena.. They spend nothing on player transport. The price pool is 16.000$ lower than a normal arena. They take less well known commentaters. They have a bunch of NA guys that most people outside of NA don't really care about. They have a bunch of unknown KeSPA guys that not a whole lot of people care about. And they want 10$ for this? The only reason I can think of this being more expensive is if they had to pay KeSPA to get their players involved. | ||
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