As if paid HD isn't enough.
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Trizz
Netherlands1318 Posts
As if paid HD isn't enough. | ||
Zax19
Czech Republic1136 Posts
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zaii
Guam2611 Posts
On September 26 2012 18:19 Cyro wrote: Dota2 is still in beta? Didnt they have a million dollar tournament like last year? yea | ||
Jigsy
21 Posts
On September 26 2012 18:15 britneysbeers wrote: There will be VODS so you can watch whenever its most convienient to you. $10 5 weeks of amazing games- seriously guys some of you should live in the real world. You get world class proffessonal entertainment and complain that its not free. "MLG are being greedy" no unfortunately people can't afford to work for free what with the whole having to buy food, pay rent etc... Sorry you will miss out but some of us will support it and enjoy it. I live in the UK so VODs not a problem, no one complains about watching a movie because its not live. #1 Watching VODS isn't the same viewing experience. #2 In the REAL world I pay for entertainment when I have the time to get entertained. Paying for a pass when I cant watch it would be like if I buy a car but don't have a drivers licence. #3 Im not bashing over MLG because they are greedy. Because for one, greed is good and also I would bash them for their downtime between games, bad streaming player/plugin or annoying ads even If you buy a pass. #4 You can't compare watching a movie that is not live with a MLG because again, starcraft is a esport and just like regular sport: watching live> watching rebroadcast together with everyone else > watching solo forever alone Since i don't have the possibility to participate at the first or second event, I favor spending my time watching a smaller sc2 tournament which I can watch life. Also, watching a movie with friends makes more fun than watching it alone. | ||
Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
Unfortunately, I won't be able to watch because I'm out of money to spend this month, but I think the idea is good and I'll pay for it if something similar comes around a second time. | ||
Mimi :D
Germany148 Posts
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Juggernaut477
United States379 Posts
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stard1n
50 Posts
Unfortunately, I won't be able to watch because I'm out of money to spend this month, but I think the idea is good and I'll pay for it if something similar comes around a second time. Would you like a gun to shoot yourself in the foot as well? | ||
Surgical_Strike
United States72 Posts
On September 26 2012 17:04 blug wrote: Yet all the other sporting foundations are able to fund purely off of commercial revenue. It's MLG being greedy... So, apparently you have never heard of "NFL Sunday ticket", or equivalent for MLB or NBA. Apparently, you have never heard of PPV boxing prize fights. Apparently, you have never heard of the UFC. Apparently, you have never bought tickets to a major sporting event. Apparently, you have not paid for television service to get sports channels. APPARENTLY, you are just an ignorant ass spewing BS. | ||
britneysbeers
United Kingdom22 Posts
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nucLeaRTV
Romania822 Posts
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ArtOfStyLe
Germany51 Posts
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XaCez
Sweden6991 Posts
On September 26 2012 18:39 Zealously wrote: Not to mention also wanting it in 720p/1080p with 60 FPS alongside the most well-known commentators and the best analysing post-game with minimal downtime with no ads; also free VoDs and replays and to be viewed live at an optimal time for both Americans and Europeans. Definitely not greedy.It's hilarious that people are whining about MLG being greedy, but want weeks and weeks of high-level Starcraft II content, for free. How is that not being greedy? I agree that cross-server replays will be annoying at times, but come on, we're talking about over a hundred games with some of the best Starcraft (BW) players ever, as well as a bunch of "MLG" players. I mean come on. | ||
Lorch
Germany3657 Posts
On September 26 2012 18:23 Trizz wrote: Jesus christ fuck PPV, I'm so sick and tired of these money hungry c****. As if paid HD isn't enough. You do realize that mlg didn't even make any profit until a few years back? If these people were money hungry most of them would have quit esports when cgs went down the drain. Don't judge mlg if you have only been following them since star 2, because if thats the case you have no idea about the passion all of these people have for esports. If you don't like how they try to not be poor while working in esports then don't pay, don't give a shit, all you do by stating your opinion is giving the more attention. If thats what you really want at least do it without insulting people who have put more blood and sweat into making esports a legitimate business then you ever will. If I can help the company that has brought me over 5 years of joy by paying 10 dollar to watch white guys get crushed by the most professional gamers on this planet then I'll gladly do it. If you don't then at least be polite about it. | ||
xrapture
United States1644 Posts
On September 26 2012 15:09 TotalBiscuit wrote: They are better, they have better players, a relatively exclusive product and higher production values. So I've worked for all 3 of these tournaments you've listed, each on more than one occasion, the whole "MLG is miles behind thing" is pretty much BS. MLG blows all of those tournaments out of the water in terms of options. Dreamhack has a 720p free stream, ok that's nice, MLG has 4-6 streams, player PoV, instant-replay VoDs and a far superior streaming setup. If possible they need to get up to 60fps from 30, that's a nice experience, but since they do 1080p rather than Dreamhacks 720p they might be hard-pressed to pull that off. I hear all this talk of "better production" from people that don't know what production is. In my experience MLG has better production overall. Dreamhack has better venues and as such provides a superior live experience. It's hard to compare the Raleigh convention centre to the Ericsson Globe. MLG could definitely do with finding some more exciting venues, they're way behind on that, not even first in the US since IPL gets better venues for their gigs. Dreamhack and MLG both suffer from downtime issues, Dreamhack is currently ahead in that respect but it's not perfect, there are still plenty of crowd-shots and lots of music filler. Dreamhack gets to use copyright music, Sweden is wonderful and all that. MLG has analysis in the bag. Analysis desk plus the replay Analysis touch-screen is more professional and provides more information than the Dreamhack Analysis couch. MLG continues to get better players, Dreamhack doesn't get top-tier Koreans as often though makes up for it somewhat with European depth of talent. MLG production value in terms of audio quality tends to be superior and that's mostly because of how they do it. They keep the casters as far away from the PA as possible, minimizing the kind of nasty reverb we got in WCS EU. There tend to be less production fuckups as well, production coming through on the stream, non-functional mics, that stuff is way less common at MLG. Their "portable studio" setup is much more effective, not to mention looks significantly more professional. MLG equipment tends to be better too, I do rather dislike the gear Dreamhack uses, those bloody around the ear mics will slice ya flesh and they don't honestly sound that great either. Much prefer the Sennheiser gear MLG uses, it's more comfortable, more robust and better quality overall. There's a reason that stuff is used for sports-casts. Quite frankly, the gap, assuming there is one and that's a matter of opinion, is way smaller than people make it out to be. MLG needs to get it's act together in terms of filling down-time. More interviews, more action replays, more analysis. Ideally they could get 2 more booths and do the GSL style of setting up while another match is going on, to provide a constant stream of matches. 60fps would be nice but not essential, it's a luxury and one I'll happily give up if it means 1080p and less of the artifacting we see on the Dreamhack stream (which knowing those guys will probably be cleared up by next tournament, they're super smart). Both are great tournaments and yet I see Dreamhack constantly praised and MLG constantly shit on. MLG is trying to run a business entirely on the basis of their tournament content, they have a lot of paid staff, a lot of expensive equipment and many costs to deal with. Dreamhack is not just eSports, has many volunteers and a number of advantages due to their position as a "cultural" event. Both are awesome and I'm sick to death of one being praised (to the point of ignoring some of it's mistakes and faults) and the other being constantly shit on at every turn. The bias exists on both TL and Reddit, it's enormous and obvious and quite frankly needs to stop. It's destructive, it serves no practical purpose and if we were to lose either MLG or Dreamhack it'd be a huge blow to the scene as it stands. Both deserve support. MLG doesn't release replays. That's enough for me to say Dreamhack blows them out of the water. | ||
ReachTheSky
United States3294 Posts
On a side note, its also pretty obvious now why MLG refuses to release replays now. Its not because of some ddos crap like they claimed before, its because they want to limit the amount of free content of their events to urge people to pay. While it might be good for business in one way, I think its a bit over the top. | ||
Kreb
4834 Posts
On September 26 2012 15:09 TotalBiscuit wrote: + Show Spoiler + On September 26 2012 10:54 Mackus wrote: I'm implying that they're too money orientated, they're miles behind ASUS and Dreamhack and think they can charge for this stuff while the other alternatives are better and free. Not to mention the broadcasted games aren't even live, if TSL4 charged to watch there would be an absolute uproar but MLG are arrogant enough to think they're better. They are better, they have better players, a relatively exclusive product and higher production values. So I've worked for all 3 of these tournaments you've listed, each on more than one occasion, the whole "MLG is miles behind thing" is pretty much BS. MLG blows all of those tournaments out of the water in terms of options. Dreamhack has a 720p free stream, ok that's nice, MLG has 4-6 streams, player PoV, instant-replay VoDs and a far superior streaming setup. If possible they need to get up to 60fps from 30, that's a nice experience, but since they do 1080p rather than Dreamhacks 720p they might be hard-pressed to pull that off. I hear all this talk of "better production" from people that don't know what production is. In my experience MLG has better production overall. Dreamhack has better venues and as such provides a superior live experience. It's hard to compare the Raleigh convention centre to the Ericsson Globe. MLG could definitely do with finding some more exciting venues, they're way behind on that, not even first in the US since IPL gets better venues for their gigs. Dreamhack and MLG both suffer from downtime issues, Dreamhack is currently ahead in that respect but it's not perfect, there are still plenty of crowd-shots and lots of music filler. Dreamhack gets to use copyright music, Sweden is wonderful and all that. MLG has analysis in the bag. Analysis desk plus the replay Analysis touch-screen is more professional and provides more information than the Dreamhack Analysis couch. MLG continues to get better players, Dreamhack doesn't get top-tier Koreans as often though makes up for it somewhat with European depth of talent. MLG production value in terms of audio quality tends to be superior and that's mostly because of how they do it. They keep the casters as far away from the PA as possible, minimizing the kind of nasty reverb we got in WCS EU. There tend to be less production fuckups as well, production coming through on the stream, non-functional mics, that stuff is way less common at MLG. Their "portable studio" setup is much more effective, not to mention looks significantly more professional. MLG equipment tends to be better too, I do rather dislike the gear Dreamhack uses, those bloody around the ear mics will slice ya flesh and they don't honestly sound that great either. Much prefer the Sennheiser gear MLG uses, it's more comfortable, more robust and better quality overall. There's a reason that stuff is used for sports-casts. Quite frankly, the gap, assuming there is one and that's a matter of opinion, is way smaller than people make it out to be. MLG needs to get it's act together in terms of filling down-time. More interviews, more action replays, more analysis. Ideally they could get 2 more booths and do the GSL style of setting up while another match is going on, to provide a constant stream of matches. 60fps would be nice but not essential, it's a luxury and one I'll happily give up if it means 1080p and less of the artifacting we see on the Dreamhack stream (which knowing those guys will probably be cleared up by next tournament, they're super smart). Both are great tournaments and yet I see Dreamhack constantly praised and MLG constantly shit on. MLG is trying to run a business entirely on the basis of their tournament content, they have a lot of paid staff, a lot of expensive equipment and many costs to deal with. Dreamhack is not just eSports, has many volunteers and a number of advantages due to their position as a "cultural" event. Both are awesome and I'm sick to death of one being praised (to the point of ignoring some of it's mistakes and faults) and the other being constantly shit on at every turn. The bias exists on both TL and Reddit, it's enormous and obvious and quite frankly needs to stop. It's destructive, it serves no practical purpose and if we were to lose either MLG or Dreamhack it'd be a huge blow to the scene as it stands. Both deserve support. I dont know. You're probably not giving the "feel" of the tournaments enough credit. Take the EG-Curse film being played right after Stephano gets knocked out. That doesnt make the games better. It doesnt make the production better. It doesnt mean theres more high caliber players. The video itself is mediocre downtime-filling. And playing it isnt exaclty a "hard" move to do, doesnt require any flashy technology or anything. Yet that move creates a 100+ comment thread of reddit, makes several SC2-celebrities laugh on twitter and makes the TL LR thread explode. It really adds to the "feeling" of a tournament. Take the average 60yo TV-veteran whos been in the business forever. Is he gonna like MLG or DH more? Likely MLG. The EG-Curse film wont get any bonus points in his book, and DH will likely look less professional. Then take an average 18yo male nerd and have him watch MLG for a weekend and DH the next weekend. Then ask him which tourny he had the most fun watching. My guess is a majority will answer DH. | ||
nicotn
Netherlands186 Posts
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Vorgrim
Korea (North)1601 Posts
Dreamhack has fallen too recently with those retarded couch interviews. | ||
Dotq
Norway235 Posts
Not hating on your product, you have amazing lineup, but you gotta know after your last PPV failure, its not the way to go. | ||
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