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GoodGameFil
Russian Federation23 Posts
News on Millenium website Discuss. | ||
Kaitokid
Germany1327 Posts
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Bagi
Germany6799 Posts
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PixelNite
France1008 Posts
So, here is the french post, and here is an English translation (spoilered cause wall of text) + Show Spoiler + AltTab Gaming's journey ends here. First of all, this decision is purely financial: we could simply no longer cover the costs of the team. Some of the investors -including the most important one- didn't give us the money he promised and the encouraging results didn't provide enough response from potential sponsors. Some of them still wanted to help us, and I would like to thank them. Now I should explain why Team Eclypsia's name appears in rumors and posts since yesterday. One month ago, when we understood that we will no longer be able to ensure future deadlines, and that we should announce the end of our team, staff and players (who all worked really hard) OR find a solution that will allow our association to continue its development. That's when we start to study a proposition -even though it was an unofficial one, from Eclypsia. In order to make sure everybody understood, I will inform you of the biggest terms in this proposition : -Eclypsia representatives, aware of their several fails in the Starcraft 2 scene, wanted to take the lead of AltTab with a "white card" in order to restore Eclypsia's prestige in France, and in the world. Eclypsia proposed a comfortable enough budget to form a good competitive lineups, from their roster, our roster, and recruitments we were working on. (Some players would have been released from their contract, but everything was done following rules, and we were negociating with them) -After that, we meet the representatives during Paris Games Week (our french players CENSURE and SonG were there, and part of our staff) . We agreed for a common future, and the contract should have been signed three days later. During those days, we decide not to close the team, so we can still support players and try an as smoothy transition as possible. When everything seems to be fine (we were already in contact with Eclypsia players) , Eclypsia asked us to wait ten more days (until November, 14th) , a time they needed to get the approval of their financial service. Indeed, the proposition was done without warranty, and what had to happen happened : yesterday, the contract was cancelled. This is the end of AltTab Gaming. Of course, Eclypsia is not responsible of Alt Tab Gaming's financial problems and I can perfectly understand why some projects could be cancelled. This is not an attack against Eclypsia, just an explanation since transparency must be present in Esports Unfortunately, the unscrupulous methods put the players and the association in an akward spot, since the deadlines and fees generated by the additional month are on AltTab Gaming charge. Since the association cannot provide those fees, I personnaly commited to the persons concerned, as the owner, to support important and urgents fees, like Sage's return to Korea. Jeremy Lopès, AltTab Gaming owner | ||
danl9rm
United States3111 Posts
tl;dr | ||
ACrow
Germany6583 Posts
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Shellshock
United States97248 Posts
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Quakie
Norway725 Posts
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Willba
United Kingdom209 Posts
On November 17 2012 02:16 ACrow wrote: Hm, poor Sage, as far as I know he's still in the MoW house, right? I hope he finds a new team soon, though that will be pretty hard considering the many Korean free agents we have right now. Don't know about the other players to be honest. He left to go back to Korea yesterday I think. | ||
Xoronius
Germany6362 Posts
On November 17 2012 02:18 Willba wrote: Show nested quote + On November 17 2012 02:16 ACrow wrote: Hm, poor Sage, as far as I know he's still in the MoW house, right? I hope he finds a new team soon, though that will be pretty hard considering the many Korean free agents we have right now. Don't know about the other players to be honest. He left to go back to Korea yesterday I think. I think he leaves tomorrow, he plays a LAN in Berlin right now, so he can´t have left already. | ||
Bagi
Germany6799 Posts
On November 17 2012 02:18 Willba wrote: Show nested quote + On November 17 2012 02:16 ACrow wrote: Hm, poor Sage, as far as I know he's still in the MoW house, right? I hope he finds a new team soon, though that will be pretty hard considering the many Korean free agents we have right now. Don't know about the other players to be honest. He left to go back to Korea yesterday I think. Uhm nope, he's in Germany playing in the Acer StarCraft Challenge, already qualified for the grand finals. TakeTV if you wanna watch the games. | ||
MegaFonzie
Australia1084 Posts
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Otolia
France5805 Posts
On November 17 2012 02:17 Quakie wrote: Has said it before, but what is it about these french unstable teams(with the exception of Millenium)? Millenium is HUGE in France. EG in the USA is a joke compared to Millenium in France (Yesterday they got 4K viewers during 3 hours for a multi-esports event with good players and some viewers) This fact makes in very difficult for upcoming teams to get money. | ||
shid0x
Korea (South)5014 Posts
Mill is like the big shot,they have money,a stable structure,Sponsors,a gaming house,a nice webtv (as the other guy said it has like 4k viewers for even small french events),they organize cup and everything (MSI procup,Mill house cup...) The other teams just cannot live under that,they are just too poor and lack spotlight. (i'm talking in a pro context,if you are semi-pro then they are fine) | ||
Rescawen
Finland1028 Posts
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Kaitokid
Germany1327 Posts
On November 17 2012 02:34 shid0x wrote: You can forget any other pro team than millenium in France (yes even you aAa you are dead now) Mill is like the big shot,they have money,a stable structure,Sponsors,a gaming house,a nice webtv (as the other guy said it has like 4k viewers for even small french events),they organize cup and everything (MSI procup,Mill house cup...) The other teams just cannot live under that,they are just too poor and lack spotlight. (i'm talking in a pro context,if you are semi-pro then they are fine) Didn't know Millenium was THAT big. Cool stuff | ||
.Wraath
United States262 Posts
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On November 17 2012 02:38 Kaitokid wrote: Show nested quote + On November 17 2012 02:34 shid0x wrote: You can forget any other pro team than millenium in France (yes even you aAa you are dead now) Mill is like the big shot,they have money,a stable structure,Sponsors,a gaming house,a nice webtv (as the other guy said it has like 4k viewers for even small french events),they organize cup and everything (MSI procup,Mill house cup...) The other teams just cannot live under that,they are just too poor and lack spotlight. (i'm talking in a pro context,if you are semi-pro then they are fine) Didn't know Millenium was THAT big. Cool stuff From what I've also heard most teams in France except for millenium and the now unfortunately dead aAa were pretty shady as well. | ||
Quakie
Norway725 Posts
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Megabuster123
Canada1837 Posts
On November 17 2012 02:23 Otolia wrote: Show nested quote + On November 17 2012 02:17 Quakie wrote: Has said it before, but what is it about these french unstable teams(with the exception of Millenium)? Millenium is HUGE in France. EG in the USA is a joke compared to Millenium in France (Yesterday they got 4K viewers during 3 hours for a multi-esports event with good players and some viewers) This fact makes in very difficult for upcoming teams to get money. 4k isn't enough to call EG a joke in comparison...>_> EG gets way more than that during the masters cup. | ||
Aveng3r
United States2411 Posts
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Insoleet
France1806 Posts
On November 17 2012 02:42 Megabuster123 wrote: Show nested quote + On November 17 2012 02:23 Otolia wrote: On November 17 2012 02:17 Quakie wrote: Has said it before, but what is it about these french unstable teams(with the exception of Millenium)? Millenium is HUGE in France. EG in the USA is a joke compared to Millenium in France (Yesterday they got 4K viewers during 3 hours for a multi-esports event with good players and some viewers) This fact makes in very difficult for upcoming teams to get money. 4k isn't enough to call EG a joke in comparison...>_> EG gets way more than that during the masters cup. He said huge IN FRANCE. Millenium is a famous structure, known by every gamers who likes esport in France. EG is probably bigger, but proportionnaly to the US population... dunno, i think Mill got the point there. | ||
Glioburd
France1900 Posts
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kafkaesque
Germany2006 Posts
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ROOTheognis
United States4482 Posts
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tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
On November 17 2012 02:42 Megabuster123 wrote: Show nested quote + On November 17 2012 02:23 Otolia wrote: On November 17 2012 02:17 Quakie wrote: Has said it before, but what is it about these french unstable teams(with the exception of Millenium)? Millenium is HUGE in France. EG in the USA is a joke compared to Millenium in France (Yesterday they got 4K viewers during 3 hours for a multi-esports event with good players and some viewers) This fact makes in very difficult for upcoming teams to get money. 4k isn't enough to call EG a joke in comparison...>_> EG gets way more than that during the masters cup. Eh, I've only seen it at 3k... Maybe I'm missing it. | ||
Eee
Sweden2712 Posts
On November 17 2012 02:42 Megabuster123 wrote: Show nested quote + On November 17 2012 02:23 Otolia wrote: On November 17 2012 02:17 Quakie wrote: Has said it before, but what is it about these french unstable teams(with the exception of Millenium)? Millenium is HUGE in France. EG in the USA is a joke compared to Millenium in France (Yesterday they got 4K viewers during 3 hours for a multi-esports event with good players and some viewers) This fact makes in very difficult for upcoming teams to get money. 4k isn't enough to call EG a joke in comparison...>_> EG gets way more than that during the masters cup. I rarely see it have more than 4K. However Mill has been in the sports scene for years and is the premier esport org in France, the same way EG is for US. | ||
MetalPanda
Canada1152 Posts
On November 17 2012 03:07 Eee wrote: Show nested quote + On November 17 2012 02:42 Megabuster123 wrote: On November 17 2012 02:23 Otolia wrote: On November 17 2012 02:17 Quakie wrote: Has said it before, but what is it about these french unstable teams(with the exception of Millenium)? Millenium is HUGE in France. EG in the USA is a joke compared to Millenium in France (Yesterday they got 4K viewers during 3 hours for a multi-esports event with good players and some viewers) This fact makes in very difficult for upcoming teams to get money. 4k isn't enough to call EG a joke in comparison...>_> EG gets way more than that during the masters cup. I rarely see it have more than 4K. However Mill has been in the sports scene for years and is the premier esport org in France, the same way EG is for US. Uh.. TL is the premier esport organisation in US. TL's players' streams are a bit less watched compared to EG, especially with both Stephano and Idra on the same team, but TL's tournaments are much more watched, and the website in general waaaaaaay more visited. | ||
krutopatkin
Germany2612 Posts
On November 17 2012 05:22 MetalPanda wrote: Show nested quote + On November 17 2012 03:07 Eee wrote: On November 17 2012 02:42 Megabuster123 wrote: On November 17 2012 02:23 Otolia wrote: On November 17 2012 02:17 Quakie wrote: Has said it before, but what is it about these french unstable teams(with the exception of Millenium)? Millenium is HUGE in France. EG in the USA is a joke compared to Millenium in France (Yesterday they got 4K viewers during 3 hours for a multi-esports event with good players and some viewers) This fact makes in very difficult for upcoming teams to get money. 4k isn't enough to call EG a joke in comparison...>_> EG gets way more than that during the masters cup. I rarely see it have more than 4K. However Mill has been in the sports scene for years and is the premier esport org in France, the same way EG is for US. Uh.. TL is the premier esport organisation in US. TL's players' streams are a bit less watched compared to EG, especially with both Stephano and Idra on the same team, but TL's tournaments are much more watched, and the website in general waaaaaaay more visited. Following this logic, actually TSM is the premier esport organisation in the US. Kinda shows how there are several big esports organisations in the US, unlike in France. | ||
Acronysis
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Qwyn
United States2778 Posts
On November 17 2012 02:23 Otolia wrote: Show nested quote + On November 17 2012 02:17 Quakie wrote: Has said it before, but what is it about these french unstable teams(with the exception of Millenium)? Millenium is HUGE in France. EG in the USA is a joke compared to Millenium in France (Yesterday they got 4K viewers during 3 hours for a multi-esports event with good players and some viewers) This fact makes in very difficult for upcoming teams to get money. I highly doubt that. Equivalent, maybe. But EG is most definitely not a "joke." They set a very high standard. I wonder why Stephano went to EG? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...... | ||
Jaaaaasper
United States10225 Posts
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Caliber
United States598 Posts
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Glurkenspurk
United States1915 Posts
On November 17 2012 05:38 Jaaaaasper wrote: That sucks, hope sage gets picked up by someone. Liquid could use some toss depth. Yeah, they need a 2nd toss behind HerO. + Show Spoiler + plshuk | ||
swtchrt
France9 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Sparte Legion is next ? | ||
shid0x
Korea (South)5014 Posts
On November 17 2012 05:51 swtchrt wrote: We have seen it already countless times, a French team trying to get big and failing. + Show Spoiler + Sparte Legion is next ? SL is too small,also they pay their players with coconuts. | ||
Phobbers
773 Posts
On November 17 2012 05:22 MetalPanda wrote: Show nested quote + On November 17 2012 03:07 Eee wrote: On November 17 2012 02:42 Megabuster123 wrote: On November 17 2012 02:23 Otolia wrote: On November 17 2012 02:17 Quakie wrote: Has said it before, but what is it about these french unstable teams(with the exception of Millenium)? Millenium is HUGE in France. EG in the USA is a joke compared to Millenium in France (Yesterday they got 4K viewers during 3 hours for a multi-esports event with good players and some viewers) This fact makes in very difficult for upcoming teams to get money. 4k isn't enough to call EG a joke in comparison...>_> EG gets way more than that during the masters cup. I rarely see it have more than 4K. However Mill has been in the sports scene for years and is the premier esport org in France, the same way EG is for US. Uh.. TL is the premier esport organisation in US. TL's players' streams are a bit less watched compared to EG, especially with both Stephano and Idra on the same team, but TL's tournaments are much more watched, and the website in general waaaaaaay more visited. "Team Liquid is a StarCraft 2 professional team, founded in the Netherlands in 2000." First sentence about TL on liquidpedia. Knowing is half the battle. | ||
Ruscour
5233 Posts
Hopefully he finds a home, though. | ||
-TGO-
United States156 Posts
Especially for Sage. Goodluck to him. | ||
SHOOG
United States1639 Posts
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Vapaach
Finland994 Posts
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AgentChaos
United Kingdom4569 Posts
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NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
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VPVanek
Canada238 Posts
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playLoud
United States114 Posts
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DSP
Sweden81 Posts
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Tatari
United States1179 Posts
On November 17 2012 05:22 MetalPanda wrote: Show nested quote + On November 17 2012 03:07 Eee wrote: On November 17 2012 02:42 Megabuster123 wrote: On November 17 2012 02:23 Otolia wrote: On November 17 2012 02:17 Quakie wrote: Has said it before, but what is it about these french unstable teams(with the exception of Millenium)? Millenium is HUGE in France. EG in the USA is a joke compared to Millenium in France (Yesterday they got 4K viewers during 3 hours for a multi-esports event with good players and some viewers) This fact makes in very difficult for upcoming teams to get money. 4k isn't enough to call EG a joke in comparison...>_> EG gets way more than that during the masters cup. I rarely see it have more than 4K. However Mill has been in the sports scene for years and is the premier esport org in France, the same way EG is for US. Uh.. TL is the premier esport organisation in US. TL's players' streams are a bit less watched compared to EG, especially with both Stephano and Idra on the same team, but TL's tournaments are much more watched, and the website in general waaaaaaay more visited. I really, truly, genuinly lol'd so hard at that. Try reading up on your facts next time. | ||
achan1058
1091 Posts
On November 17 2012 05:22 MetalPanda wrote: Show nested quote + On November 17 2012 03:07 Eee wrote: On November 17 2012 02:42 Megabuster123 wrote: On November 17 2012 02:23 Otolia wrote: On November 17 2012 02:17 Quakie wrote: Has said it before, but what is it about these french unstable teams(with the exception of Millenium)? Millenium is HUGE in France. EG in the USA is a joke compared to Millenium in France (Yesterday they got 4K viewers during 3 hours for a multi-esports event with good players and some viewers) This fact makes in very difficult for upcoming teams to get money. 4k isn't enough to call EG a joke in comparison...>_> EG gets way more than that during the masters cup. I rarely see it have more than 4K. However Mill has been in the sports scene for years and is the premier esport org in France, the same way EG is for US. Uh.. TL is the premier esport organisation in US. TL's players' streams are a bit less watched compared to EG, especially with both Stephano and Idra on the same team, but TL's tournaments are much more watched, and the website in general waaaaaaay more visited. No it is not. TL might be the premier SC/SC2 organization in US (even that I am not sure), but it is definitely not the premier eSports organization. TL needs to pick up like 1/2 dozen more games for it to be considered as such. | ||
JackaSC2
Sweden9 Posts
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LeLfe
France3160 Posts
On topic, sorry for AT's player, I kinda have the same opinion as tree.hugger | ||
StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
On November 17 2012 06:23 Vapaach wrote: Sage is going to Western Wolves. Calling it out now. Their new pickup is a Korean Terran, so probably not right now. Please, someone pick up Sage quickly, I want to see him at more EU tournaments! He looked so happy on stage at DH Bucharest and just now at the Acer SC2 Challenge event. | ||
Corsica
Ukraine1854 Posts
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PET
Romania430 Posts
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AyaaLa
Spain629 Posts
On November 17 2012 08:38 StarVe wrote: Show nested quote + On November 17 2012 06:23 Vapaach wrote: Sage is going to Western Wolves. Calling it out now. Their new pickup is a Korean Terran, so probably not right now. Please, someone pick up Sage quickly, I want to see him at more EU tournaments! He looked so happy on stage at DH Bucharest and just now at the Acer SC2 Challenge event. STING:3????? | ||
Otolia
France5805 Posts
On November 17 2012 02:42 Megabuster123 wrote: 4k isn't enough to call EG a joke in comparison...>_> EG gets way more than that during the masters cup. On November 17 2012 05:32 Qwyn wrote: I highly doubt that. Equivalent, maybe. But EG is most definitely not a "joke." They set a very high standard. I wonder why Stephano went to EG? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...... EG is nothing compared to Millenium in term of market penetration. The hold they have on the french market is higher than the hold that EG has on the USA. They have an minimum of 2K viewers every single day from 20:00 to 00:00. To compare numbers : onemoregame.TV has 25M total viewers whereas MilleniumTV1 has 40M. And the first one has a multinational audience while Millenium has only a francophone audience (mostly european) EG is a vastly richer team than Millenium but they have the biggest market in the world, still they don't have the same kind of penetration. And Millenium isn't even doing a good job at marketing themselves at the french public ... | ||
AnomalySC2
United States2073 Posts
Esports needs a fresh injection of players and sponsors. | ||
glzElectromaster
Japan2474 Posts
On November 17 2012 09:02 AnomalySC2 wrote: Sucks (((( Esports needs a fresh injection of players and sponsors. That was supposed to be KeSPA. Sponsors correlate with popularity. A pro scene doesn't come before a game's popularity. | ||
SpikeStarcraft
Germany2095 Posts
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LOLingBuddha
Netherlands697 Posts
On November 17 2012 06:32 NovemberstOrm wrote: Poor Sage agreed. i really liked seeing more of him while he was at MoW | ||
ES.Genie
Germany1370 Posts
On November 17 2012 09:02 AnomalySC2 wrote: Sucks (((( Esports needs a fresh injection of players and sponsors. Hell no, there are already way too many players. | ||
Gyro_SC2
Canada540 Posts
On November 17 2012 02:23 Otolia wrote: Show nested quote + On November 17 2012 02:17 Quakie wrote: Has said it before, but what is it about these french unstable teams(with the exception of Millenium)? Millenium is HUGE in France. EG in the USA is a joke compared to Millenium in France (Yesterday they got 4K viewers during 3 hours for a multi-esports event with good players and some viewers) This fact makes in very difficult for upcoming teams to get money. LOL wingsofdeathx is 16K easy by himself. Sc2 is really dying :D User was warned for this post | ||
F-Decoy
France245 Posts
That being said, I really hope one day we'll have another "M-like" teams in France, since alone it's really hard to promote eSport. @Topic: sad for players. | ||
ECHOZs
United States499 Posts
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Demicore
France503 Posts
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
On November 17 2012 02:23 Otolia wrote: Show nested quote + On November 17 2012 02:17 Quakie wrote: Has said it before, but what is it about these french unstable teams(with the exception of Millenium)? Millenium is HUGE in France. EG in the USA is a joke compared to Millenium in France (Yesterday they got 4K viewers during 3 hours for a multi-esports event with good players and some viewers) This fact makes in very difficult for upcoming teams to get money. Millenium can't be that huge otherwise they would have been able to afford stephano, the pride of france. They may be huge relative to france, but small potatoes compared to EG. | ||
Darkhorse
United States23454 Posts
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Sylfyre
Australia222 Posts
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rd
United States2586 Posts
On November 17 2012 08:59 Otolia wrote: Show nested quote + On November 17 2012 02:42 Megabuster123 wrote: 4k isn't enough to call EG a joke in comparison...>_> EG gets way more than that during the masters cup. Show nested quote + On November 17 2012 05:32 Qwyn wrote: I highly doubt that. Equivalent, maybe. But EG is most definitely not a "joke." They set a very high standard. I wonder why Stephano went to EG? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...... EG is nothing compared to Millenium in term of market penetration. The hold they have on the french market is higher than the hold that EG has on the USA. They have an minimum of 2K viewers every single day from 20:00 to 00:00. To compare numbers : onemoregame.TV has 25M total viewers whereas MilleniumTV1 has 40M. And the first one has a multinational audience while Millenium has only a francophone audience (mostly european) EG is a vastly richer team than Millenium but they have the biggest market in the world, still they don't have the same kind of penetration. And Millenium isn't even doing a good job at marketing themselves at the french public ... The USA market is way, way bigger than the French market. It's not really fair to try and compare to a much smaller base. Head to head, EG is just way bigger than millenium. edit: and it's a pretty good point too that the USA market is well saturated with other competing brands. | ||
mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On November 17 2012 10:21 rd wrote: Show nested quote + On November 17 2012 08:59 Otolia wrote: On November 17 2012 02:42 Megabuster123 wrote: 4k isn't enough to call EG a joke in comparison...>_> EG gets way more than that during the masters cup. On November 17 2012 05:32 Qwyn wrote: I highly doubt that. Equivalent, maybe. But EG is most definitely not a "joke." They set a very high standard. I wonder why Stephano went to EG? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...... EG is nothing compared to Millenium in term of market penetration. The hold they have on the french market is higher than the hold that EG has on the USA. They have an minimum of 2K viewers every single day from 20:00 to 00:00. To compare numbers : onemoregame.TV has 25M total viewers whereas MilleniumTV1 has 40M. And the first one has a multinational audience while Millenium has only a francophone audience (mostly european) EG is a vastly richer team than Millenium but they have the biggest market in the world, still they don't have the same kind of penetration. And Millenium isn't even doing a good job at marketing themselves at the french public ... The USA market is way, way bigger than the French market. It's not really fair to try and compare to a much smaller base. Head to head, EG is just way bigger than millenium. edit: and it's a pretty good point too that the USA market is well saturated with other competing brands. But the point from the beginning was relative hold on their respective markets. The discussion was never about absolute wealth or size. It is as fair as comparing any other relative values. You just need to know what is being compared and not suffer from knee-jerk reactions because someone said EG is smaller. | ||
rd
United States2586 Posts
On November 17 2012 10:43 mcc wrote: Show nested quote + On November 17 2012 10:21 rd wrote: On November 17 2012 08:59 Otolia wrote: On November 17 2012 02:42 Megabuster123 wrote: 4k isn't enough to call EG a joke in comparison...>_> EG gets way more than that during the masters cup. On November 17 2012 05:32 Qwyn wrote: I highly doubt that. Equivalent, maybe. But EG is most definitely not a "joke." They set a very high standard. I wonder why Stephano went to EG? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...... EG is nothing compared to Millenium in term of market penetration. The hold they have on the french market is higher than the hold that EG has on the USA. They have an minimum of 2K viewers every single day from 20:00 to 00:00. To compare numbers : onemoregame.TV has 25M total viewers whereas MilleniumTV1 has 40M. And the first one has a multinational audience while Millenium has only a francophone audience (mostly european) EG is a vastly richer team than Millenium but they have the biggest market in the world, still they don't have the same kind of penetration. And Millenium isn't even doing a good job at marketing themselves at the french public ... The USA market is way, way bigger than the French market. It's not really fair to try and compare to a much smaller base. Head to head, EG is just way bigger than millenium. edit: and it's a pretty good point too that the USA market is well saturated with other competing brands. But the point from the beginning was relative hold on their respective markets. The discussion was never about absolute wealth or size. It is as fair as comparing any other relative values. You just need to know what is being compared and not suffer from knee-jerk reactions because someone said EG is smaller. You just need to read posts thoroughly instead of posting knee-jerk responses full of assumptions. I'll figure out what's being compared as soon as you stop inserting my motives for doing so. | ||
PiQLiQ
Sweden702 Posts
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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On November 17 2012 11:07 rd wrote: Show nested quote + On November 17 2012 10:43 mcc wrote: On November 17 2012 10:21 rd wrote: On November 17 2012 08:59 Otolia wrote: On November 17 2012 02:42 Megabuster123 wrote: 4k isn't enough to call EG a joke in comparison...>_> EG gets way more than that during the masters cup. On November 17 2012 05:32 Qwyn wrote: I highly doubt that. Equivalent, maybe. But EG is most definitely not a "joke." They set a very high standard. I wonder why Stephano went to EG? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...... EG is nothing compared to Millenium in term of market penetration. The hold they have on the french market is higher than the hold that EG has on the USA. They have an minimum of 2K viewers every single day from 20:00 to 00:00. To compare numbers : onemoregame.TV has 25M total viewers whereas MilleniumTV1 has 40M. And the first one has a multinational audience while Millenium has only a francophone audience (mostly european) EG is a vastly richer team than Millenium but they have the biggest market in the world, still they don't have the same kind of penetration. And Millenium isn't even doing a good job at marketing themselves at the french public ... The USA market is way, way bigger than the French market. It's not really fair to try and compare to a much smaller base. Head to head, EG is just way bigger than millenium. edit: and it's a pretty good point too that the USA market is well saturated with other competing brands. But the point from the beginning was relative hold on their respective markets. The discussion was never about absolute wealth or size. It is as fair as comparing any other relative values. You just need to know what is being compared and not suffer from knee-jerk reactions because someone said EG is smaller. You just need to read posts thoroughly instead of posting knee-jerk responses full of assumptions. I'll figure out what's being compared as soon as you stop inserting my motives for doing so. I read your post and I see no assumptions that I made, I react only to your exact words in that post. Last sentence was not really directed at you personally, it was more reaction to other posts of similar content, should have used different phrasing. | ||
Otolia
France5805 Posts
On November 17 2012 10:21 rd wrote: Show nested quote + On November 17 2012 08:59 Otolia wrote: On November 17 2012 02:42 Megabuster123 wrote: 4k isn't enough to call EG a joke in comparison...>_> EG gets way more than that during the masters cup. On November 17 2012 05:32 Qwyn wrote: I highly doubt that. Equivalent, maybe. But EG is most definitely not a "joke." They set a very high standard. I wonder why Stephano went to EG? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...... EG is nothing compared to Millenium in term of market penetration. The hold they have on the french market is higher than the hold that EG has on the USA. They have an minimum of 2K viewers every single day from 20:00 to 00:00. To compare numbers : onemoregame.TV has 25M total viewers whereas MilleniumTV1 has 40M. And the first one has a multinational audience while Millenium has only a francophone audience (mostly european) EG is a vastly richer team than Millenium but they have the biggest market in the world, still they don't have the same kind of penetration. And Millenium isn't even doing a good job at marketing themselves at the french public ... The USA market is way, way bigger than the French market. It's not really fair to try and compare to a much smaller base. Head to head, EG is just way bigger than millenium. edit: and it's a pretty good point too that the USA market is well saturated with other competing brands. *sigh* I'm not saying EG isn't bigger, this isn't an e-peen contest. I am just trying to present a reason why french teams struggle to sustain themselves. Millenium isn't the reason the teams are failing, but it's the reason why they feel pressure to succeed and end up disbanding because they can't meet their objectives. The reasons of Millenium's hold onto the french scene are numerous and I am not trying to establish a fair comparison with EG, I'm just providing metrics, a measurement stick if you will. Because EG is the biggest team out there. | ||
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On November 27 2012 18:44 IceBergZ wrote: any english version so I can read ? Translation in the first comments of the post | ||
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On November 27 2012 18:46 PixelNite wrote: Translation in the first comments of the post thanks | ||
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