Hey guys and gals. over the last couple of years ive spent most of my time working and playing SC2 every day and managed to get GM on oceania, Masters on NA and korean server. I have been saving every bit of cash I could with the idea of moving from Australia to either america or korea to play starcraft 2 full time with people who have the same appreciation for the game I do.
I figure with the amount of cash Ive saved(alot) ill be able to live comfortably without a job for a fair few years. The problem comes from not having the chance to talk with anybody important to make it happen. Im preety much willing to pay a team house to let me live with them and play everyday until im worthy of actually being part of a team.
I know this is a really wierd post cause I read TL everyday and have never seen a post asking this sought of thing. But if anyone has any ideas of how I can make this happen or giving me something to work towards it would be great.
Cheers in advance!
Edit: I had multiple PM's of people asking me to put the information I replied in the thread so I did.
Im 28. Im not putting anything on the line by doing this. I already own 2 properties out-right in australia so all the extra cash ive had is straight in my bank. Ive worked since I was 12 and am looking to do something I enjoy in life while Im still young.
800 us a month is nothing was expecting it to be much more. Thanks for more advice looking into the ministry of win now.
I have entered a heap of online australian and american tournaments. I stoped the aussie ones cause there is only a couple of good players so I stuck with all the american ones. Not here trying to show me e-peen off just trying to see what sort of options are out there.
Thanks for all the replys im gonna keep reading up on the suggestions.
I have managed to reach GM on hots which I didnt mention and am playing it at a 50/50 rate to wol. Im not really caring where the market ends up for sc2. Im not in it for the money. I just love smashing terran and zerg under the might of the zealot
Thanks for the constant advice. looking into all the different teams mentioned
Started working as a linesman after all my smaller jobs in school. Ended up qualified to work up to 330000v alive and started investing at the age of 18 in stocks and housing. Ive killed all my sperm off so it came with a price
"dont do it" ? I dont want to work anymore should I just sit around and do nothing... or should I travel to all the countrys ive already been to and experienced.. Gotta do what you enjoy To those juding if I have enough to survive. I didnt go into details because its not anyones bussiness. But here you go if it means I can get more information. I own a property in parramatta which was recently valued at 640000. I own a property in st clair which was also valued at 490000. I have had a salary over 200k pa for a fair few years. Ive saved plenty. Thankfully there is only about 10000 people around the world qualified to do my job. I can get a work visa in any country in the world and a job at at anytime I like around the world. If it does not work out going back to my job will take about 15-20minutes to organise.
Quite an ambition. I imagine for a team to take a chance on you, you need to be marketable or talented enough. So you need to make a little splash in some tournament, or, start streaming regularly and get enough consistent viewers to the point where someone of importance will notice this attention, as viewers equals ad moniez
Ministry of WiN in Poland. As far as I know they've cleaned up all their issues. It's a team house none the less and something you should look into. It was 800$ US a month to stay at the house, but that covers everything. You pretty much pay 800$ to live completely.
Honestly, I think that the day of "picking up money and going to join a team/academy" is still a few years of stability off, but if you're really committed, like others said, go for col academy or the like. Or ministry of win would probably work. Good luck!
Im 28. Im not putting anything on the line by doing this. I already own 2 properties out-right in australia so all the extra cash ive had is straight in my bank. Ive worked since I was 12 and am looking to do something I enjoy in life while Im still young.
800 us a month is nothing was expecting it to be much more. Thanks for more advice looking into the ministry of win now.
You should research MoW really, really well. There were a few threads with complaints, which sounded very serious. I don't know if things are ok now, but the fact that there were problems once should not be overlooked.
America does not have alot of team houses. EG is only that i can think of. In europe i think there is the millenium house and MoW. Korea ofcourse has tons of houses, but people there dont speak so good english. Anyway korean houses seem to be so low on money that they would probably welcome a paying stayer the easiest.
Do you have a resume or something like notable wins in online tournaments? If its justGM league in australia server and master league in NA for few years of work, then its pretty lol.
800$ a month is not much, but MoW is not a team. So if it will be filled with same people like you... I doubt you will get any useful experience from that. Maybe if MoW will get a new round of pros in the house and they will be nice enough to coach you a bit, then it could be worth it. But still in my opinion MoW sounds like a waste of time and money.
Ministry of Win is not what you are looking for and Complexity Academy will not help you grow as a player whatsoever (you will receive and mousepad, a headset, and maybe get to play against coL.Sasquatch once or twice, which wouldn't help you anyway because you aren't at his skill level yet).
If you really want to do this, BY FAR the best way to go about doing it is in cooperation with an existing North American team to form a teamhouse where you can practice with players that are better than you (don't settle for anything less than 3+ top 100 GM players). In order to get the best opportunities, you will have to present yourself as a subsidy to the team in one way or another (probably paying a considerable, though practical, portion of teamhouse expenses). If you don't throw the cash in, then you will end up with players that are as bad as you and you may as well stay at home laddering all day.
Finally, I have to warn you that your method of going about doing this is very dubious. You will surely improve quickly in an environment with better players, but in consideration of your life as a whole, it is a far better option to just continue with a standard career while playing on the side. ANYBODY who really puts in the effort can easily achieve grandmaster in north america (very, very big difference from grandmaster in SEA) on their own, and there is NO justification for throwing so much money and time out of the window until you reach this point.
Chasing complexity will not get you anywhere unless you are communicating directly with the main team. The academy is not actually an academy, don't let the name fool you.
I have entered a heap of online australian and american tournaments. I stoped the aussie ones cause there is only a couple of good players so I stuck with all the american ones. Not here trying to show me e-peen off just trying to see what sort of options are out there.
Thanks for all the replys im gonna keep reading up on the suggestions.
Please guys not here looking for life advice. My life is sorted I get to do what I like from here on out due to working 100+ hours every week for many years. I've earned more money then most will in there entire life.
hopefully this could turn out to be like EternalEnvy v2 :O Honestly, though, you're probably better off private messaging people who run houses, than asking out in the middle liek this
On December 20 2012 15:22 CCalms wrote: Ministry of Win is not what you are looking for and Complexity Academy will not help you grow as a player whatsoever (you will receive and mousepad, a headset, and maybe get to play against coL.Sasquatch once or twice, which wouldn't help you anyway because you aren't at his skill level yet).
If you really want to do this, BY FAR the best way to go about doing it is in cooperation with an existing North American team to form a teamhouse where you can practice with players that are better than you (don't settle for anything less than 3+ top 100 GM players). In order to get the best opportunities, you will have to present yourself as a subsidy to the team in one way or another (probably paying a considerable, though practical, portion of teamhouse expenses). If you don't throw the cash in, then you will end up with players that are as bad as you and you may as well stay at home laddering all day.
Finally, I have to warn you that your method of going about doing this is very dubious. You will surely improve quickly in an environment with better players, but in consideration of your life as a whole, it is a far better option to just continue with a standard career while playing on the side. ANYBODY who really puts in the effort can easily achieve grandmaster in north america (very, very big difference from grandmaster in SEA) on their own, and there is NO justification for throwing so much money and time out of the window until you reach this point.
Chasing complexity will not get you anywhere unless you are communicating directly with the main team. The academy is not actually an academy, don't let the name fool you.
Dunno at least for me the motivation of being the best in the academy, competing for MLG flights, and trying to get on the main team was enough motivation to practice a lot O_O
Here in Utah (USA) we have quite a few high masters/GM players. You can always move in with some of them and train up We are centrally located for MLG Anaheim/Dallas as well as NASL (in cali) and IPLs and a lot of players from utah go to these events. Cost of living here is quite cheap. So come on out!
Oh yea we have a few local teams, and players who are on smaller teams here too. And we are really active as a community so you always have people to practice with Plus local LANs with decent prize money and that jazz haha.
Maybe one of the best options is the new Millenium team house. If the information on Liquipedia is correct, right now the following players are there: Goswser, Feast, ForGG, Adelscott, Dayshi. This is a pretty good group of players compared to only Destiny and Morrow in MoW (again, if the information on Liquipedia is correct).
Try to contact Llewellys, the manager of Millenium. Here is their twitter page, where you can ask for contact information: https://twitter.com/M_Millenium
gooodluck man! At least you thought this through (in terms of continuous cash flow) and if you want to pursue that kind of game play and lifestyle then by all means go for it! Usually read up on people who just drop everything and later regret it, but as you are 28 and have saved up (some amt) + back up I wouldnt falter your decision.
Yeah. no more life advice he said he has enough money to live comfortably for several years and owns two properties completely. He just wants to have some fun now. In fact really he should be giving the rest of us life advice.
If you really have time and enough money to do whatever you want, then I recommend you keep playing the game and getting some coaching for 6 months (hopefully get GM NA and high master KR) while learning Korean. Once you know enough Korean to get by everyday, move to a Korean team house that will let you stay and practice with them for financial contributions. You get to live in an entirely different culture (yay new experience), be in the best SC2 country in the world (yay GSL and Proleague), and get to stay in a team house with more structured practice routines (yay improvement). This is what I would do in your position.
I know someone who did this for the Prime team house. He stayed there and contributed towards expenses.
I suggest that you contact an established team (e.g. EG) and see if you can do a similar arrangement. If you're willing to pay more, you can get guidance, coaching from them.
Probably make 1 year or 6 month contracts with them or something like that.
I have managed to reach GM on hots which I didnt mention and am playing it at a 50/50 rate to wol. Im not really caring where the market ends up for sc2. Im not in it for the money. I just love smashing terran and zerg under the might of the zealot
Thanks for the constant advice. looking into all the different teams mentioned
On December 20 2012 15:50 lifeangelus wrote: I have managed to reach GM on hots which I didnt mention and am playing it at a 50/50 rate to wol. Im not really caring where the market ends up for sc2. Im not in it for the money. I just love smashing terran and zerg under the might of the zealot
Thanks for the constant advice. looking into all the different teams mentioned
starcraft 2 is an old boys club. Unless ur friends with anyone "famous" in the community or post huge results on a consistent basis in major events your not going to make a dime at all. Sc2 is not worth trying to be pro. 1.5 years ago sure. Now, not at all. Infact if you don't already have a name for yourself, chances are you won't make one.
I'd suggest an amateur team with likeminded competitive people, and just duking it out at open tournaments. You can also get coached online. For me personally, it was enough to see that progaming isn't my thing... :p
Started working as a linesman after all my smaller jobs in school. Ended up qualified to work up to 330000v alive and started investing at the age of 18 in stocks and housing. Ive killed all my sperm off so it came with a price
"dont do it" ? I dont want to work anymore should I just sit around and do nothing... or should I travel to all the countrys ive already been to and experienced.. Gotta do what you enjoy
It's a matter or whether you want to be a programmer or are willing to put that aside for another job in esports.
If you want to go full pro I suggest getting in touch with the personalities of the community such as Tasteless, Artosis for Korea and Mr Bitter or Total Biscuit for the rest of the world. Let them know you want to do it win or fail and just want to know how you can do it.
On December 20 2012 16:00 lifeangelus wrote: Started working as a linesman after all my smaller jobs in school. Ended up qualified to work up to 330000v alive and started investing at the age of 18 in stocks and housing. Ive killed all my sperm off so it came with a price
"dont do it" ? I dont want to work anymore should I just sit around and do nothing... or should I travel to all the countrys ive already been to and experienced.. Gotta do what you enjoy
After reading this I really believe you have the money you talk about. I'm just an electrician myself and have a ton of money sitting around waiting for me to do something with it. Do it man. Life is more about experiences, not how good of a job you can hold down.
Don't do it. Unless you already winning online tournaments and cups you won't make it very far. The player crowd is already super-saturated. If you've been playing every day for the past few years and are only in Masters NA, then you definitely need to reconsider this.
Don't bother. I don't mean this as a slight against you but you will be wasting your time.
You don't list a specific amount of money that you saved, to a 17 year old fresh out of high school 10,000 might seem like a lot of money but it won't get you far. Maybe you have over 30,000 who knows. Moving to a foreign country isn't a smart idea unless you're bringing over seven figures with you, you're getting a job, or your going to school there; you're putting yourself at a huge risk. Going to Korea or America won't give you the the safety net that you have in Australia, there are many factors to consider than trying to be the best at a game where the competition is already stiff and even the professionals who've been at it since beta still struggle for fame and money.
You don't list much in the OP about your age, education, and where you currently stand in life.
Chances are you're young. If you aren't going to Uni reconsider it, maybe attend a transitory school like a Community College. You need to have a back up plan, because the odds are against you and you will most likely fail. If you're life only consisted of a dead end job and Starcraft you need to replan your life. This doesn't mean you have to abandon starcraft or esports as a whole, there are many things you can do where you live to further esports where you live.
You could use the money to start a tournament in your town. You said you live in Australia right? If you offer a decent prize pool you might get people like mOOnGLaDe and his team interested. Hell you can even start a lan event every year. You think events like QuakeCon and Dreamhack started out with attendance in the tens of thousands? Fuck no, they started out small but they grew. They found a group of people who were willing to come together and game under one roof. Now these events cost and make millions of dollars. Set up small goals, first year you try to get 50 people to attend and put together a small tournament for one game. Maybe try to get a local caterer for food and contact a few local computer stores seeing if they want to put up banners in exchange for some equipment. Maybe the second year you get a little traction, 150 people show up and you have several tournaments for several games running simultaneously. You found a local sponsor to dish out some money to you in exchange for advertisement. Maybe the local news does a TV spot about it.
The experience you'd gain from trying to run a tournament series or lan event would put your life further ahead than being a try harder at a game. The logistics and networking that is required to do such a thing is quite a burden, but you'd be surprised what you can accomplish when you call some people and put forth an effort. Your odds at doing this IS better than being a pro-gamer. You need to weigh the risks, there are many ways to make a name for yourself in the scene. Some are more advantageous than others.
To all the hate about my rank. You should try maintain gm on two servers and masters on 2. It takes alot of playtime and fitting that around work is tough but I still love it!
On December 20 2012 15:50 lifeangelus wrote: I have managed to reach GM on hots which I didnt mention and am playing it at a 50/50 rate to wol. Im not really caring where the market ends up for sc2. Im not in it for the money. I just love smashing terran and zerg under the might of the zealot
Thanks for the constant advice. looking into all the different teams mentioned
What's your ID?
Yeah i'm curious as to your ID too, despite not playing on SEA i still know most GM level players and your name doesn't ring a bell so far.
Good job attaining financial independence, clearly a foreign concept to the majority of Starcrafters.
On December 20 2012 16:09 TeslasPigeon wrote: Don't bother. I don't mean this as a slight against you but you will be wasting your time.
You don't list a specific amount of money that you saved, to a 17 year old fresh out of high school 10,000 might seem like a lot of money but it won't get you far. Maybe you have over 30,000 who knows. Moving to a foreign country isn't a smart idea unless you're bringing over seven figures with you, you're getting a job, or your going to school there; you're putting yourself at a huge risk. Going to Korea or America won't give you the the safety net that you have in Australia, there are many factors to consider than trying to be the best at a game where the competition is already stiff and even the professionals who've been at it since beta still struggle for fame and money.
You don't list much in the OP about your age, education, and where you currently stand in life.
Chances are you're young. If you aren't going to Uni reconsider it, maybe attend a transitory school like a Community College. You need to have a back up plan, because the odds are against you and you will most likely fail. If you're life only consisted of a dead end job and Starcraft you need to replan your life. This doesn't mean you have to abandon starcraft or esports as a whole, there are many things you can do where you live to further esports where you live.
You could use the money to start a tournament in your town. You said you live in Australia right? If you offer a decent prize pool you might get people like mOOnGLaDe and his team interested. Hell you can even start a lan event every year. You think events like QuakeCon and Dreamhack started out with attendance in the tens of thousands? Fuck no, they started out small but they grew. They found a group of people who were willing to come together and game under one roof. Now these events cost and make millions of dollars. Set up small goals, first year you try to get 50 people to attend and put together a small tournament for one game. Maybe try to get a local caterer for food and contact a few local computer stores seeing if they want to put up banners in exchange for some equipment. Maybe the second year you get a little traction, 150 people show up and you have several tournaments for several games running simultaneously. You found a local sponsor to dish out some money to you in exchange for advertisement. Maybe the local news does a TV spot about it.
The experience you'd gain from trying to run a tournament series or lan event would put your life further ahead than being a try harder at a game. The logistics and networking that is required to do such a thing is quite a burden, but you'd be surprised what you can accomplish when you call some people and put forth an effort. Your odds at doing this IS better than being a pro-gamer. You need to weigh the risks, there are many ways to make a name for yourself in the scene. Some are more advantageous than others.
On the topic of wasting time: it pays to read threads XD
Hey TeslasPigeon - might want to read the thread. Dude doesn't need life advice. He's got tons of cash, and this is what he wants to do with his money. Seriously - he's said it like five times so far.
To those juding if I have enough to survive. I didnt go into details because its not anyones bussiness. But here you go if it means I can get more information. I own a property in parramatta which was recently valued at 640000. I own a property in st clair which was also valued at 490000. I have had a salary over 200k pa for a fair few years. Ive saved plenty. Thankfully there is only about 10000 people around the world qualified to do my job. I can get a work visa in any country in the world and a job at at anytime I like around the world. If it does not work out going back to my job will take about 15-20minutes to organise.
On December 20 2012 16:13 Ace03x wrote: Hey TeslasPigeon - might want to read the thread. Dude doesn't need life advice. He's got tons of cash, and this is what he wants to do with his money. Seriously - he's said it like five times so far.
Well fuck me right? I still stand by my suggestion of growing his local scene than wasting time traveling under the guise of "playing full time."
by all means, spend a few months in a place like MoW.... $800usd/month is really not bad.
just throwing it out there, but if you end up having a lot more than you need, take some of the money and put it somewhere where it'll benefit other people. donate it and then spend some time wherever you give to see how your giving pans out. sounds corny, but you can do things with money to help generations.
Although I would love australia to be a place for professional gamers to live its just not happening in my life time. There isnt enough money in the world to throw at australia to make it work. Ive been playing in australia since the original WCG in australia. I think it was 2002? Could be wrong.
Im not looking to pour money into a scene I cant change Im looking to enjoy myself playing sc2 in another country.
If you want a chance in America, I would suggest contacting MrBitter about the Razer Academy in California. He has housed well-known guys and obscure guys to give them all a chance. He's had lots of international guys stay for just a few months.
On December 20 2012 15:58 ReachTheSky wrote: starcraft 2 is an old boys club. Unless ur friends with anyone "famous" in the community or post huge results on a consistent basis in major events your not going to make a dime at all. Sc2 is not worth trying to be pro. 1.5 years ago sure. Now, not at all. Infact if you don't already have a name for yourself, chances are you won't make one.
I feel like this is the opposite mindset you should have. OP you can be there to prove everyone else wrong, and there's definitely easy ways to get around not knowing anyone in the SC community, especially where you are in your life.
If you've got loads of money and 2 houses, it should be relatively simple to go to events and meet people there. As a poor college student I've managed to meet a lot of the people out there and I think if you want to move somewhere for better practice, being near places that hold events is a great way to network and get your name out there. You might not be the best player out there, but if you show how much you want something, there's gonna be someone that will bite.
On December 20 2012 15:22 CCalms wrote: Ministry of Win is not what you are looking for and Complexity Academy will not help you grow as a player whatsoever (you will receive and mousepad, a headset, and maybe get to play against coL.Sasquatch once or twice, which wouldn't help you anyway because you aren't at his skill level yet).
If you really want to do this, BY FAR the best way to go about doing it is in cooperation with an existing North American team to form a teamhouse where you can practice with players that are better than you (don't settle for anything less than 3+ top 100 GM players). In order to get the best opportunities, you will have to present yourself as a subsidy to the team in one way or another (probably paying a considerable, though practical, portion of teamhouse expenses). If you don't throw the cash in, then you will end up with players that are as bad as you and you may as well stay at home laddering all day.
Finally, I have to warn you that your method of going about doing this is very dubious. You will surely improve quickly in an environment with better players, but in consideration of your life as a whole, it is a far better option to just continue with a standard career while playing on the side. ANYBODY who really puts in the effort can easily achieve grandmaster in north america (very, very big difference from grandmaster in SEA) on their own, and there is NO justification for throwing so much money and time out of the window until you reach this point.
Chasing complexity will not get you anywhere unless you are communicating directly with the main team. The academy is not actually an academy, don't let the name fool you.
Not sure where you get this sort of idea. I can say for sure that Fuzzy has helped me practice my PvZ again and again when I was in need of it. That aside, being able to actually practice with the main team if you're on when they're looking for players is something quite advantageous to all academy members. Let alone the fact of slots in the team house for academy members and the various other things sasquatch mentioned... If you want to get good and make full use of what assets are around Complexity there is no doubt that players like Gosuuser, Sas, or anyone else for that matter, can rise up and be the next main team member IF they put enough effort into it. Not sure how that doesn't motivate you to become a better player if you're serious about it.
Looking forward to playing you on ladder again! glhf
In response to the OP: Save your money until you're at least around mid/high GM and then start thinking about looking into paying for a spot in a place like ministry of win or something of the sort. The truth of the matter is, if you can't obtain a certain level of skill on your own it doesn't really matter where you're training. It's really all about how hard you can do it and if you yourself have the ability to continue in growth as a player.
probably want to be looking at least top 50 GM for it to be worth your time... there are a lot of players in that area who are in school and barely play but still maintain a high rank. You'll need to be able to do this at least if you'd like to really get your worth out of any money you spend.
Prime house is not open to foreigners, it allowed MasterBreti as a test, the following foreigners got in due to being affiliated with TTeSports.
If you want to know everything there is to know about Korea for SC2 (Seoul vs Busan living) or whatever then you can message me.
Don't go to MoW as it will take away your ability to play on Korea, you'd learn faster here. America is just as bad unless you could get into some house out there (are there any even left? Quantic is gone.. Razer house had 1 person left in it?) EG obviously won't allow strangers 99% likely.
I lived in a one-bedroom apartment in Korea, as well as various team houses/other places, and I played from pcbangs often, etc, I'd be willing to answer all your questions you have regarding the move or whatever (if you were to choose Korea)
There's a lot of people in this thread doing exactly what the OP asked not to do. He's asking for sc2 info, he shouldn't have to prove to anyone he's got cash in the bank.
GL to you though, I don't know a whole lot about what you're looking for, but as people have said, MoW is probably a good suggestion
edit - Lastshadow would be a good source, I'm sure he can offer answers to most of your questions
On December 20 2012 15:10 lifeangelus wrote: Im 28. Im not putting anything on the line by doing this. I already own 2 properties out-right in australia so all the extra cash ive had is straight in my bank. Ive worked since I was 12 and am looking to do something I enjoy in life while Im still young.
800 us a month is nothing was expecting it to be much more. Thanks for more advice looking into the ministry of win now.
I'd progress a bit further than this before making such an investment.. with your whole life, really. Especially if you play Protoss (because it's easier for toss to make it to the ranks you gave, and the skill ceiling hits like a train when all the gimmicky stuff stops working.) Aus has pretty good scene that needs more support? The only place I can think of that you can just.. move to and be a part of is the ministry of win, which doesn't sound that great lately, and which I think you're still not 'high enough' or whatever to be a part of.
Man, I don't want to discourage you from making yourself happy, I just don't know if the extremes you're plotting are necessary for it, or for your progression as a player :o There are lots of people who are GM with school or a job, and no team environments etc. People who are as serious about the game as you're looking to land yourself with (by the looks of it) are all already way higher and got there on their own. It's hard to find people in sub-gm leagues who are actually ever going to leave them. When people are serious, they move up. Solo!
So, I guess, regardless of my cautioning - the one bottom line I can actually give to you is that you need to take your game up a few levels still before you'll be fitting into any group of serious, f orward moving players. And, by the time you've done that.. it's going to be excruciatingly hard for you to get even further yet xD We'd be talking about going from low gm to high gm.. still a fine goal, but it starts to contradict your disclaimer of not looking to be a pro or anything.
Anyway, I love your passion for the game and can relate. Glad to know you're a part of our scene, and that you're just pursuing what makes you happy. That's what I'm talking about maaaan!
Once against guys not looking for life advice. Just looking for stuff on sc2. Please dont call me a gimmick player. I love macro. always have always will. Only use an all in at the start of a set to keep people honest.
Thanks for the massive amount of PM's also. Lots of great inforamtion and advice.
On December 20 2012 16:36 lifeangelus wrote: Once against guys not looking for life advice. Just looking for stuff on sc2. Please dont call me a gimmick player. I love macro. always have always will. Only use an all in at the start of a set to keep people honest.
Thanks for the massive amount of PM's also. Lots of great inforamtion and advice.
I didn't call you a gimmick player, if you're referring to my post just above. I was trying to account for real possibilities and concerns that you might wish to be privy to, were they valid. How could I know what kind of player you are ;o? Seems like you addressed all the wrong things I said, without responding to some of the cold hard concerns about what I believe to be the inexistence of what you are seeking for yourself \= Have fun doing whatever it is you will be, though.
Sounds great man go to MoW or check out Mr bitters house first then consider renting a place in Korea to play in code a qualifiers and such. If you really wanna experience it all try to do them all. Then go to tournies and lans and glhf maybe get on a cool team one day since money isn't an issue prob would be ez! You can pm me if u need a na practice partner.
Sorry I didnt mean to be a tool. I know my skill sets and am a very confident player. Just looking for the next stepping stone that laddering in australia cannot provide. I just wanna play more sc2 in the right enviroment. and your luck to get 100ms i have 200+ all the time. I really should have mentioned that
On December 20 2012 16:40 lifeangelus wrote: Sorry I didnt mean to be a tool. I know my skill sets and am a very confident player. Just looking for the next stepping stone that laddering in australia cannot provide. I just wanna play more sc2 in the right enviroment. and your luck to get 100ms i have 200+ all the time. I really should have mentioned that
I meant PLUS 100ms on everyone else I play with 230ms so I can understand your reluctance to stick around.
The most important questions when trying to become a pro are: Do you have "personality"? Do you know how to make jokes? Do you know how to bm? Do you not play terran (not whining here, just honest thing that you should consider because the chance of you succeeding as a terran is pretty slim)?
These will determine whether you could hang around as a pro or not.
Well even if I did it for 5 years and didnt sell any of my possesions just relying on cash I would have close to 100k a year. Which isnt including the rental income I get from property either.
Haha "I suggest you take your game up a few levels" that's the whole fucking point of him doing this. He literally can't get any better by playing in Australia, he can't play in any major tournaments from Australia. Therefor if he moves to Korea he can practice with teh best and even try for GSL. If he moves to USA he can play in all the NA LAN Tournaments. You guys are basically saying "You need to win a big tournament before you should do this type of thing" when in reality it's physically impossible to do anything more to get noticed without being somewhere that has higher levels of play and higher levels of play at LANs. You know how scarlett made a name for herself? She managed to get into IPL4 and beat some good players. If this guy wants to do that and get his name out there, he needs to have the ability to play in IPL/MLG/NASL and actually go to their LAN events and do well and get noticed.
Renting a room with other like minded gamers, you can get away with a few hundred bucks a month. Food is cheap, utilities are cheap, paying for flights/hotels to events is fairly cheap. I mean you only need to make like $20000/yr to be able to afford to do it. Not even that really...
On December 20 2012 16:22 FrodaN wrote: If you want a chance in America, I would suggest contacting MrBitter about the Razer Academy in California. He has housed well-known guys and obscure guys to give them all a chance. He's had lots of international guys stay for just a few months.
Alien Invasion has a house in Germany, I believe, and are willing to let outside players stay there. They opened it just a month or so ago. I read a short article and an interview, so I can't say too much about it. Might just be one more option to look into if it wasn't mentioned in the PM's you received. (It wasn't mentioned in the thread, was it?)
Its 300 Euros for monthly rent (no food included), its in Duisburg, Germany, AiReal (Korean) and AiHanfy (German) are living there long term and a few others were supposed to join them.
If you are looking to become the one of the best, chances are you are very unlikely to achieve it. For example st.life has won the gsl code s that most of us including many pros dream of. He is half your age. If are really reaching your potential in sea you should be high GM by never cheesing and playing supet safe everygame.
However i can understand if you want to do this at least as an experience that you never want to regret. In the case of you just wanting to play the game to your potentials, then just go for it! Remember you should not be having fun playing this game. The game itself is very suffocating when you grind it out, it will make you happy and satisfied for sure if you reach your goals.
I wish you all the luck, however I have heard a lot of bad things about mow, so maybe try contacting col, millenium etc
Edit: the ALien invasion house seems like the best choice atm
If living in Korea even remotely interests you, I wonder if you can get a lot of development out of your game just by living there and playing on the Korean ladder (with low ping). Or perhaps anywhere geographically close to Korea with a low latency to the KR server may serve that purpose.
However, if living in a place where you can get by comfortably in English is more important, that may not be the best option. Maybe you could even consider travelling around a bit before you pick a final place to settle down. If only just for the sake of having a better Internet connection than Australia and getting the chance to enter some online qualifiers and having an "even playing field". Your best bet is probably to develop some contacts with pro's that you meet online or on the ladder and try to get some recognition and legitimacy that way, AND/OR start making a splash by beating some decent players in an online tourney or cup. Just some thoughts.
What countries/regions would you prefer to live in, btw? I'm curious
I would say do it, better do it and regret than regret not doing it, and you dont get much to lose anyway
worst case scenario, you just had a long holiday doing things you love
I would say either go korea or europe
Korea - try your luck @ code a qualifier, try to talk to team managers to see if you can play with them for a few hours per week something, you got money to support you
Europe - MoW - and lots of online /offline tourney to prove yourself
well, what i'd do in your spot is just buy a flat in seoul, as money shouldn't be a problem, and move there to train sc2 and get together with some other guys in korea. I've heard korean foreigner policies can be very strict but everyone else got in as well, didnt' they, even if it was just for a set amount of time.
I´d suggest to go for any NA team/house to start getting used to a training schedule, to get on top of your game a little bit more all while living in a country where the people speak the same language and where you are living quite an "western/australian like" live (i think you know what i mean). EU might have a higher skill level but most people are spread all over europe and some barely speak english.
After being in NA for like 2-4 month you should definately move over to KR as only in KR you have the real deal of playing starcraft 2 at the highes level. As far as i know the GSL Code A qualifiers are open for anyone willing to try.
While being still at home or being in NA you should start to learn at least a few words of korean as well and maybe some NA people from a team or a house can help you arranging your trip to korea.
Whatever you do, gl hf and if you are in germany let me know ;-)
Sigh, some of you have learned absolutely nothing from the EternalEnvy thread. The chances of making it to pro level may be small but if it's his dream and he can support himself why on Earth are people trying to shit on it? Nothing's irrevocable- it's not like he couldn't stop after a year and go back to his old job and no matter how far he gets I'm sure it would be an interesting experience.
I dont mind where I live as long as its around good people with similair interests. Also to playloud . haha I get what your saying I ran a counter strike team for years in australian scene and know how quick fun can go out the winder
It all depends on what your goals are. Are you trying to accomplish something? Maybe see yourself become a pro gamer in the right environment? (By "pro gamer, I mean actually making money playing SC2) Or are you just looking to follow the MLG circuit around as you travel the US having fun before you're over the hill?
If it's the first one, I'd stay far away from the US. There really is nothing here that you couldn't get over there (aside from better internet). I'd also stay even further away from MoW. If I were you, I'd look into an extended stay in Korea. Maybe reach out to someone like Khaldor or Wolf to see if they could help you land on your feet. You have money, so it's not like you're some broke ass progamer looking to squat somewhere for free.
That sounds great, working and playing, and perhaps doing that again, not the same old working for the rest of your life.
What is PA btw? 200k pa? (what currency) Sounds like a lot for your young age ;O also curious if killing off your sperm was a direct requirement to your job, but i guess that might be too personal (can't think of any jobs that would need that ;O)
My goals? To become the best sc2 player I can be. Im a competitor I like to win just like everyone else. But im not silly and realistic and realise time invested is very important. Which im willing to put in
On December 20 2012 16:52 lifeangelus wrote: Well even if I did it for 5 years and didnt sell any of my possesions just relying on cash I would have close to 100k a year. Which isnt including the rental income I get from property either.
Also no im no terran. en taro adun!
So you are a 28 year old who has around $500,000 in cash lying around in addition to two properties....
200k per year australian dollars. I worked on high voltage electricity and the EMF( electro magnetic field) is said to kill sperm. Hey if it can light an unplugged fluro tube with someone standing on the ground who knows what its doing. Either way I wasnt entirly serious. I have not been checked its just a common thing in my line of work.
Edit: to the post above I have mates in the same field who have accomplished much more then I do. People just need to get themselves out there and look for real work.
On December 20 2012 17:17 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: That sounds great, working and playing, and perhaps doing that again, not the same old working for the rest of your life.
What is PA btw? 200k pa? (what currency) Sounds like a lot for your young age ;O also curious if killing off your sperm was a direct requirement to your job, but i guess that might be too personal (can't think of any jobs that would need that ;O)
Good luck though!
Per annum or per year
I wholeheartedly agree with the buying NSHs suggestion
First of all, it's his decision what to do. But what you should do, is whatever you think makes you happy and makes your life worthwhile.
As you are only laddering mostly on SEA, i would advise you to search for a flat in Europe (preferably in a country where no language barrier exists), train some time, get accustomed with everything and then try to reach out to various teamhouses for 1 week or 2 week stays. As you have the money, it is no problem that you travel occasionally to different team houses. After some time, you can decide, which one was the best and if it is worth pursuing to stay with them.
Also making a 1 or 2 month stay in South Korea (after some time) might be worth it. But i would not recommend to start with it. It is like flying to Mars instead of flying to the moon first.
Another thing is, which most players don't think of, is what learning type they are. Are they learning more by just playing 1000's of games (improving mechanics) or can it be more helpful to have other people to talk to, who can share and (more important are willing to share) their valuable experience/knowledge.
Travelling to important tournament events inside Europe (Dreamhack, IEM) might be possible too then.
Well nonetheless, i wish you good luck for your future!
On December 20 2012 17:17 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: That sounds great, working and playing, and perhaps doing that again, not the same old working for the rest of your life.
What is PA btw? 200k pa? (what currency) Sounds like a lot for your young age ;O also curious if killing off your sperm was a direct requirement to your job, but i guess that might be too personal (can't think of any jobs that would need that ;O)
Good luck though!
Eunuch to the emperor/king comes to mind. You can't (be trusted to) serve in the royal court if your male sex drive is intact. Or so I hear, about the ancient times.
On December 20 2012 17:21 lifeangelus wrote: 200k per year australian dollars. I worked on high voltage electricity and the EMF( electro magnetic field) is said to kill sperm. Hey if it can light an unplugged fluro tube with someone standing on the ground who knows what its doing. Either way I wasnt entirly serious. I have not been checked its just a common thing in my line of work.
Are you serious?! Can't some biomedical engineer design like a Faraday cage jock to protect people's testes in that line of work?
Good luck to you~ If you intend to live in Korea, I will surely try to give you a Hand. I can't let you live with me but i can help with some other stuffs I am sure ^^.
On December 20 2012 16:52 lifeangelus wrote: Well even if I did it for 5 years and didnt sell any of my possesions just relying on cash I would have close to 100k a year. Which isnt including the rental income I get from property either.
Also no im no terran. en taro adun!
So you are a 28 year old who has around $500,000 in cash lying around in addition to two properties....
Ummm... ok.
I was about to say that the Australian dollar is substantially lower than the USD but apparently it's almost on par now. WOW :O
On December 20 2012 16:52 lifeangelus wrote: Well even if I did it for 5 years and didnt sell any of my possesions just relying on cash I would have close to 100k a year. Which isnt including the rental income I get from property either.
Also no im no terran. en taro adun!
So you are a 28 year old who has around $500,000 in cash lying around in addition to two properties....
Ummm... ok.
I was about to say that the Australian dollar is substantially lower than the USD but apparently it's almost on par now. WOW :O
You have it inverted my friend, we've been over par for a while now People love to pay for our dirty rocks.
Wherever you end up landing, you may be able to build some connections and get your foot in the pro SC2 players scene by employing the services of a SC2 pro (or 3, so you can practice all your matchups) in your region to spend a few hours a week coaching you. This way, you can develop your skills AND if you're amazingly good, you can build some "street cred" (i.e. legitimacy) because your coach will be like, "what the heck? this 'student' is actually ridiculously good".
If you are that determined to go pro, all you want is become super gosu and nothing else interest you, Just move to korea and practice your ass off, and qualify for code A? Very unlikely though, but who know? There's a reason why some foreigners are there, despite there being more tournaments outside of korea. You would probably feel very lonely though, being around a totally foreign environment and not able to speak their language.
Whatever float your boat. Tastosis or hwanni should be able to help you out with those thing.
On December 20 2012 16:52 lifeangelus wrote: Well even if I did it for 5 years and didnt sell any of my possesions just relying on cash I would have close to 100k a year. Which isnt including the rental income I get from property either.
Also no im no terran. en taro adun!
So you are a 28 year old who has around $500,000 in cash lying around in addition to two properties....
Ummm... ok.
I was about to say that the Australian dollar is substantially lower than the USD but apparently it's almost on par now. WOW :O
You have it inverted my friend, we've been over par for a while now People love to pay for our dirty rocks.
Dirty rocks?... Hmm? And sorry, yah, didn't mean to give the impression that the AUD was below the USD. Turns out the AUD and CAD are in a similar boat - just slightly above the USD, at the moment.
Alright TC, here's a few things I want to point out for you:
1. What you're doing sounds like a similar situation to what I would love to do, minus the fact that you have megabank sitting around and i definitely do not (working a low-end job, gotta love post-grad life). If you have hundreds of k sitting around, you can absolutely go out and just play sc2 full-time for a year, two years, hell as long as you want. Do NOT let anyone in this thread tell you otherwise.
2. If this is what makes you happy, then go for it. Like you said, let's say this whole thing falls flat on its face and you don't accomplish any goals, you can still fall back and have a BACK UP PLAN, something a lot of people aren't considering here, and sadly don't even think about when going after these kinds of lives.
3. I probably would not recommend moving to korea. With the closing of the GOM house, there are very few places for non-koreans to stay and train at, not to mention the language barrier will make it very difficult. You'll be surrounded by some of the best starcraft players on earth, but unable to really talk to many of them or likely play a lot vs them. If and when you get to the point where you are a top level player, then by all means find a korean house to stay at, but for now I would recommend finding a place in NA or EU (Razer Academy, col Academy is doing some recruiting but if you pay them to stay there they might look into that? idk, MoW). I don't know about many other open houses
4. If you can't find a team place to stay at, rent out a place in america or europe, hook up some nice internet, and just play a lot. Try to compete in a lot of online tournies. If you can start posting some results, you could very likely end up at one of the forementioned training houses
5. GL!!!! would love to try and do what you're doing if I ever get the opportunity
Why do you need to move to become a progamer? Just sit in a dark room for 12 hours a day and grind endlessly on ladder, just like the pros. Besides if you're a wealthy 28 year old, I'd doubt you'd want to live with a bunch of nerdy teenagers in a small house.
On December 20 2012 17:34 iamho wrote: Why do you need to move to become a progamer? Just sit in a dark room for 12 hours a day and grind endlessly on ladder, just like the pros. Besides if you're a wealthy 28 year old, I'd doubt you'd want to live with a bunch of nerdy teenagers in a small house.
Ever wondered why there are so few pro-gamers from Australia? It's not because of the low population...
Seems like a troll to me. Totally avoided the question of his B. Net profiles, he gave a name that doesn't even exist on the server in GM no link. No credibility...
I think this should be closed, and anyone can write something like this, and therefore its receiving unwarranted attention.
Wow walked away from the computer and come back to alot of great advice. Thanks alot guys. also to iamoho I do sit in a room playing massive amount of hours of sc2. The problem is 200-300ms is not stable and hard to push through certain skill ceilings because of it. Not that im going to stop trying.
I think this thread is an example of why you might need to live alone. Success and conviction is threatening to those without. There aren't many people in the e-sports scene who are on your level financially speaking, especially players.
On December 20 2012 17:34 iamho wrote: Why do you need to move to become a progamer? Just sit in a dark room for 12 hours a day and grind endlessly on ladder, just like the pros. Besides if you're a wealthy 28 year old, I'd doubt you'd want to live with a bunch of nerdy teenagers in a small house.
KeSPA believes strongly in testing matchups against people you know, and it has worked for them for a decade. For example, I want to be really good at Lost Temple PvZ, so I get my Zerg bitch friend to play me 20 times on it. Can't do that with ladder.
I have rossi but it was for CS and I did it for many years. From "bong" lan parties in st marys to playing in nationals(wcg) for a couple of years in it. I have not had the same community feeling in starcraft that CS have so have not included myself in it much. It seems I was wrong to do this and am currently looking at some SEA websites now to enter in there tournaments. Played under a different handle at the time though.
On December 20 2012 17:34 iamho wrote: Why do you need to move to become a progamer? Just sit in a dark room for 12 hours a day and grind endlessly on ladder, just like the pros. Besides if you're a wealthy 28 year old, I'd doubt you'd want to live with a bunch of nerdy teenagers in a small house.
KeSPA believes strongly in testing matchups against people you know, and it has worked for them for a decade. For example, I want to be really good at Lost Temple PvZ, so I get my Zerg bitch friend to play me 20 times on it. Can't do that with ladder.
Except if you're just starting out, it's probably you that would be someone's Protoss bitch friend.
Have you ever thought of owning your own pro gaming team and becoming a part of it? I'm sure you can make a business out of it with the money you have.
On December 20 2012 18:08 uberism wrote: Have you ever thought of owning your own pro gaming team and becoming a part of it? I'm sure you can make a business out of it with the money you have.
Or even just sponsor a player with the condition they coach you, or something like that. It doesn't have to be a top-tier player, get some semi-known Euro protoss.
I just went through the archives of every SC2 tournament I've run and the ID "Hammer" doesn't come up in any of them. Furthermore, why haven't you competed in any events like ACLPro or WCS Australia?
And what CS team did you manage / compete with? I ran ~8 of the WCG events and I don't recognise the name. Did you use a different ID in CS? Why haven't you approached any Australian teams like iM, Fray, Nv, etc?
I honestly don't mean any harm when I say this, but SEA on GM doesn't count for much. The GM ladder hasn't even filled up in over 10 months now. It's a ghost town. Got any replays or anything we can take a look at?
so you've made no effort in interacting or communicating with your local community and look to take your game to the limit. Sounds like a farce to me but in the spirit of giving some advice... attend a local tournament and see how you fair up against some of Australia's top players.
Assuming you live in Sydney there is an upcoming tournament at Cityhunter which you can attend on the 6th January 2013 with details here http://www.sc2sea.com/showthread.php?t=6568
Maybe it will be an eye opener
Edit: replaced progamer with "take your game to the limit"
I saw in the OP someone already told you about it, but MoW can be a good solution, at least to get into the EU scene and do tourneys and all that stuff. Also, Polish people are really cool and I heard Warsaw was really nice Thats probably where I would go for starters especially because i would probably get pretty bored of playing all day (been there, done that) and I d go out partying every 2 nights :D... All other team houses are for pro teams I think...
On December 20 2012 18:12 Dox wrote: I just went through the archives of every SC2 tournament I've run and the ID "Hammer" doesn't come up in any of them. Furthermore, why haven't you competed in any events like ACLPro or WCS Australia?
And what CS team did you manage / compete with? I ran ~8 of the WCG events and I don't recognise the name. Did you use a different ID in CS? Why haven't you approached any Australian teams like iM, Fray, Nv, etc?
I honestly don't mean any harm when I say this, but SEA on GM doesn't count for much. The GM ladder hasn't even filled up in over 10 months now. It's a ghost town. Got any replays or anything we can take a look at?
Althought not the nicest post rossi. Thanks heaps man I was already signed up to that site and am waiting for my e-mail reset to be sent to my e-mail and wilI will be signing up. You know of any others mate?
On December 20 2012 18:08 uberism wrote: Have you ever thought of owning your own pro gaming team and becoming a part of it? I'm sure you can make a business out of it with the money you have.
Or even just sponsor a player with the condition they coach you, or something like that. It doesn't have to be a top-tier player, get some semi-known Euro protoss.
Sase would probably make a good tutor/coach partner, once he's done his 2-3 week stint in Taiwan. Perhaps even NaNiwa :O imo the best foreigner Protoss and one of the best foreigners, period.
But it doesn't even have to be someone as high profile as those two. It'll probably come down more to how well do your personalities jive and what sort of relationships/connections you can make. But your Australian Internet/ping may be the first hurdle that you'll have to overcome.
Btw, what level is Rotterdam at? High Masters NA/EU or GM? Perhaps he could be a good coach/tutor/practice partner. And assuming MrBitter's Razer academy house thing is close to where he and Rotti (and NASL) live, that could be a good combination...
The question really is what you actually want. Do you want to have a fun time playing the game you love and get in touch with some well-known foreign pros or do you want to become the best player you possibly can.
If it's the latter don't bother moving to some crappy team house in poland and play with medicore foreigners. As read in threads before nothing there helps you to be a better gamer aside from sitting next to semi-good players.
If you want to become excellent YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE DRIVE and a comfortable practice environment. Check earlier threads about the MoV team house. Some player weren't able to sleep because of parties, do you really like sitting next to other peole hacking on their keyboards etc. etc.
If you are serious about gaming and have 500 k do this:
1) Start learning korean so you can barely understand stuff and express yourself.
2) Get information about moving to korea as fast as possible.
3) Try to be there at least when HOTS comes out.
3) Rent a flat there and make it comfortable. You shouldn't really need much. Having your own flat has so many advantages over a sweaty team house where you sleep in a room with 2 to 3 other people.
4) Make a Barcode account on HOTS.
5) Practice 13 to 15 hours a day on a korean ladder. You should have the best possible ping there is.
The fifth step is really all you need. It's as simple as that and by far the hardest of all at the same time.
Doing this will show you the hard way whether you are motivated to become the best or not. You will have no excuse if you fail. Look at stuff like Desrow arguing about food at the MoW house or flying to MaximusBlack for a week to coach him. Somebody like him will never become remotely good.
HOTS will open up attention for many new players and if you are that serious you have a chance to become known. You can participate in Code A qualifiers etc. You don't need coaching. You need top notch mechanics and these are achieved by grinding. Grinding beyond any other foreigner. Do you think top korean players got there by being coached? Coaching and MoW teamhouses are for players who do not actually have the drive to play on their own. Once you have extremely good mechanics, like top 5 foreigner mechanics, you can do whatever you want and live wherever you want but half-arsed coaching by progamers who do not have the drive to play even 10 hours a day on their own and dubious team houses in poland are not what you want. How come most foreigners are so much worse than koreans and most foreigners are not even able to beat people like Stephano/Nerchio/Scarlett who play 2 hours a day. Having your own flat in Korea is more than you need to become the best player possible environmentwise. The rest is up to you.
On December 20 2012 19:11 NeutralDepot wrote: The question really is what you actually want. Do you want to have a fun time playing the game you love and get in touch with some well-known foreign pros or do you want to become the best player you possibly can.
I think this is the most important question! Together with, "what sort of results are you hoping for? will you still be happy with the experience even if you aren't able to make it as a successful/tournament-winning competitive SC2 player?"
On December 20 2012 19:11 NeutralDepot wrote: How come most foreigners are so much worse than koreans and most foreigners are not even able to beat people like Stephano/Nerchio/Scarlett who play 2 hours a day.
Except that quite a lot of top-tier Korean pros aren't able to beat Stephano/Nerchio (and depending on the player, Scarlett), either. Although, I'm sure they do play for more than 2 hours a day.
I think MoW is your answer. First of all, its EU ladder which is better than NA, a lot of EU pros are now in Europe so its a good practice. MoW costs you around 600€/month, its a lot but i think the best part is that you can practice with a lot of good people there. I dont know who is currently there but there are people better than you which is most important . Also in Europe we have a lot of online cups, thats how you get famous, while making some money on the side Overall i'd suggest go to Europe, i think for newborn progamer KR is too far off to grab, so you gotta start somewhere
On December 20 2012 19:11 NeutralDepot wrote: How come most foreigners are so much worse than koreans and most foreigners are not even able to beat people like Stephano/Nerchio/Scarlett who play 2 hours a day.
Except that quite a lot of top-tier Korean pros aren't able to beat Stephano/Nerchio (and depending on the player, Scarlett), either. Although, I'm sure they do play for more than 2 hours a day.
Nerchio and Stephano have fallen off skillwise for quite some time. Scarlett is a rather shaky player in performance.
Nerchio has said to normally practice about 2 hours. 10 before tournaments. He also plays part time going to university at the same time. Stephano has said a million times that he doesn't pratice at all. So 2 hours is a rather generous statement. Scarlett has said that she practiced a lot for some time and a lot for her is 20 games a day. she said. This is nothing by korean standards.
Take it as an example and let's not have huge discussion about something like that because this derails the thread.
On December 20 2012 19:19 ilbh wrote: come on guys this is obviously a troll...
Even if he might be a troll which sounds not that likely this thread is still interesting and provides tons of information for people with similar goals. So there is really no reason to stop talking here.
On December 20 2012 19:19 ilbh wrote: come on guys this is obviously a troll...
Seems like it. He says he has a job that only 10k people are qualified for and that he makes 200k a year. Sounds fishy. Unless he is a petroleum engineer who works for a GENEROUS company, I can't imagine what he could possibly do to make that kind of money salaried.
On December 20 2012 19:19 ilbh wrote: come on guys this is obviously a troll...
It's frustrating isn't it S:
Next time I will say I won the lottery and tell everyone I want to host a giant tourney, bet it'll get me a lot of attention. Some credibility should be had before topics such as these as started. Especially after reading his responses to questions you can see how unlikely this all is.
On December 20 2012 19:19 ilbh wrote: come on guys this is obviously a troll...
Seems like it. He says he has a job that only 10k people are qualified for and that he makes 200k a year. Sounds fishy. Unless he is a petroleum engineer who works for a GENEROUS company, I can't imagine what he could possibly do to make that kind of money salaried.
I met an australian guy a while back who told me the exact same thing. Works on high voltage power lines and since it's so dangerous you make A LOT of money. He was maybe 25 and already had a huge ass house with 3 big cars in the garage. If the OP did this since he was like 16 he can easily have bought property worth 1mil + and still lived quite comfortably.
My advise would be to try and buy your way into a team house like EG's or just get your own place somewhere and hire someone or several people as personal trainers. With that much money available to you it shouldn't be a problem to get some of the best players to invest a couple hours a day into training you.
Congrats on having it all and now you will play a video game taking a break from having it all. I am uber jelaous with all the developed world - feel like a god damn bum.
If he is a miner in Perth his income is completely plausible, i have a friend who earns about 4k a week doing 6 days 12hours a day, and he is just a laborer.... only Goes up to the mines like one week every 2 or 3 months just for a bit of cash to get by....
Well if you have that cash, i would just travel to korea go to a GSL event! Try and talk to any caster or korean with english skills and try and setup a few months stay in a korean pro team! Many of those would accept money your stay there!
On December 20 2012 19:19 ilbh wrote: come on guys this is obviously a troll...
Seems like it. He says he has a job that only 10k people are qualified for and that he makes 200k a year. Sounds fishy. Unless he is a petroleum engineer who works for a GENEROUS company, I can't imagine what he could possibly do to make that kind of money salaried.
Just a side note to the sceptic: 200k translated USD might seem a lot in the US but some industries in some parts of the world pay more than that easily without being 1 of 10000 people. I know people who wash floors on oil rigs with no qualifications other than high school that literally make 100k USD! Outrageous yes, but that is besides the point.
Anyways i guess your best bet is ministry of win and col. Or maybe move to korea and practice a bit on your own though you want to play with people you might be able to communicate with properlY
My number 1 advise be careful who you advertise your wealth too because eSports has a lot of shady characters in it. Its very easy to setup a team and promise the world to someone, we've heard stories of broken dreams before so please don't put yourself in a vulnerable situation.
eSports is overly glamorous like the X factor, its not all glitter and girls why not just continue to watch the games, sponsor your own player with your cash and spend your free time travelling the world and experiencing life rather than being locked in some kids basement grinding out the games for 12 hours a day only to have your heart crushed by a Korean at the open bracket of an MLG 6 months down the line....
Btw GM in Hots is not an achievement 2 of my noobie friends managed to get rank 1 on GM Hots.
On December 20 2012 17:34 iamho wrote: Why do you need to move to become a progamer? Just sit in a dark room for 12 hours a day and grind endlessly on ladder, just like the pros. Besides if you're a wealthy 28 year old, I'd doubt you'd want to live with a bunch of nerdy teenagers in a small house.
Ever wondered why there are so few pro-gamers from Australia? It's not because of the low population...
Because their internet infrastructure uses yarn in place of cables, which makes out-of-country online tournaments extremely hard?
On December 20 2012 20:24 aka_star wrote: My number 1 advise be careful who you advertise your wealth too because eSports has a lot of shady characters in it. Its very easy to setup a team and promise the world to someone, we've heard stories of broken dreams before so please don't put yourself in a vulnerable situation.
eSports is overly glamorous like the X factor, its not all glitter and girls why not just continue to watch the games, sponsor your own player with your cash and spend your free time travelling the world and experiencing life rather than being locked in some kids basement grinding out the games for 12 hours a day only to have your heart crushed by a Korean at the open bracket of an MLG 6 months down the line....
Btw GM in Hots is not an achievement 2 of my noobie friends managed to get rank 1 on GM Hots.
You are very right about the first advice. The SC2 scene is drooling for money as more and more tournaments and teams get should down. Playhem, tons fo korean teams etc. and this is exactly why he should not join MoW or pay a team to let him live with them. Being serious about progaming means being serious about pursuing one's dream without letting unimportant stuff get in your way. The most important feat is endurance and motivation. Someone in this thread was right who said "what do you need besides sitting in a dark basement for 12 hours and grinding games". A good ping and a comfortable chair but that's really all and with his money an own flat in Korea is more than possible and the best option actually.
With the second part you are very wrong though. Who are you to choose what he has to like?. Judging from his motivation it sure as hell doesn't sound like he is after glitter and girls.
Hey i know you said it's non of our business, but i can't help but ask, what is your job? I'm just looking to get into uni so I'd like to know. PM me if you don't want everyone to see. Thanks
GM on SEA is nothing, I was top 100 for a while and wouldn't even consider doing something like this. It's strange that you're completely unknown in the scene/community too. As long as you treat it as a gaming vacation I guess you won't be too disappointed.
On December 20 2012 18:12 Dox wrote: I just went through the archives of every SC2 tournament I've run and the ID "Hammer" doesn't come up in any of them. Furthermore, why haven't you competed in any events like ACLPro or WCS Australia?
And what CS team did you manage / compete with? I ran ~8 of the WCG events and I don't recognise the name. Did you use a different ID in CS? Why haven't you approached any Australian teams like iM, Fray, Nv, etc?
I honestly don't mean any harm when I say this, but SEA on GM doesn't count for much. The GM ladder hasn't even filled up in over 10 months now. It's a ghost town. Got any replays or anything we can take a look at?
On December 20 2012 18:12 Dox wrote: I just went through the archives of every SC2 tournament I've run and the ID "Hammer" doesn't come up in any of them. Furthermore, why haven't you competed in any events like ACLPro or WCS Australia?
And what CS team did you manage / compete with? I ran ~8 of the WCG events and I don't recognise the name. Did you use a different ID in CS? Why haven't you approached any Australian teams like iM, Fray, Nv, etc?
I honestly don't mean any harm when I say this, but SEA on GM doesn't count for much. The GM ladder hasn't even filled up in over 10 months now. It's a ghost town. Got any replays or anything we can take a look at?
Please answer this.
Agreed, we have never heard of you, yet you say you have been to many tournaments at least in SEA
i'd say you should definately go to korea if you going to do this fulltime. Thats where you will be playing against the best in a concentrated environment. You will also have code A qualifies to try for to mark your progress.
Some of the korean teams are starving for money. Im pretty sure if you get into contact with them they would be gladdddddddddddddd to have you.
Hey guys sorry I havnt been replying have had so much help from so many in the community been chating with alot of people on skype. Really didnt know the game had such a good community.
Im no troll ive been flown around in helicopters working out of helicopters and been droped onto power lines for years. I do the same job that person in the clip does. Wear a faraday suit put the arching rod to main and climb onto them. Climb along the whole main to inspect for any breaks in the lines etc.
Anyways thanks again for the support guys. In contact with alot of people now to make this happen!
On December 20 2012 21:47 Leru wrote: So what is this thread about , except for bragging ? We get it , you're loaded, you don't have to worry about money or put anything on the line .
I don't see any bragging. It is all your perception, not reality.
Good luck, it will be really tough but remember to always do what makes you happy and it will be fine. Being a progamer is really hard and challenging but hard work always pays off.
On December 20 2012 21:41 Naniwa wrote: 28 yo is too old to start
hardly, i think you sort of have the wrong perception.. he didnt say he wanted to suddenly become super gosu.. all hes looking for is to enjoy himself before he gets old. Its not as if he wants to jump in and be flash or some shit.
On December 20 2012 18:12 Dox wrote: I just went through the archives of every SC2 tournament I've run and the ID "Hammer" doesn't come up in any of them. Furthermore, why haven't you competed in any events like ACLPro or WCS Australia?
And what CS team did you manage / compete with? I ran ~8 of the WCG events and I don't recognise the name. Did you use a different ID in CS? Why haven't you approached any Australian teams like iM, Fray, Nv, etc?
I honestly don't mean any harm when I say this, but SEA on GM doesn't count for much. The GM ladder hasn't even filled up in over 10 months now. It's a ghost town. Got any replays or anything we can take a look at?
On December 20 2012 18:12 Dox wrote: I just went through the archives of every SC2 tournament I've run and the ID "Hammer" doesn't come up in any of them. Furthermore, why haven't you competed in any events like ACLPro or WCS Australia?
And what CS team did you manage / compete with? I ran ~8 of the WCG events and I don't recognise the name. Did you use a different ID in CS? Why haven't you approached any Australian teams like iM, Fray, Nv, etc?
I honestly don't mean any harm when I say this, but SEA on GM doesn't count for much. The GM ladder hasn't even filled up in over 10 months now. It's a ghost town. Got any replays or anything we can take a look at?
Please answer this.
Agreed, we have never heard of you, yet you say you have been to many tournaments at least in SEA
Why would he? Why is there is any need for him to prove his statements to you? Are you going to offer him a job if he does? Hell no. You are probably just jealous about his situation or want to start some other kind of derail on this thread. Even if he is a bronze player who just picked up the game yesterday and is just lying about his skill level so he is not shitted on by everybody on teamliquid the advises would be the same. Go to Korea, practice like crazy.
On December 20 2012 21:41 Naniwa wrote: 28 yo is too old to start
Cool to see someone like Naniwa answer this thread. I'm sure you can provide tons of information for the OP but please check the thread out and look at the information provided and his financial situation to make a sensible answer.
On December 20 2012 21:41 Naniwa wrote: 28 yo is too old to start
28 is not when he's starting. He's already GM. He just needs the GM --> pro jump.
There's a reason why legendary players like Boxer / Yellow / Reach eventually retire when they hit their late 20s, you just can't stay competitive at one point with younger people, the peak of people's careers usually occur between 18 and 22 and it goes downhill from there on :/
On December 20 2012 21:49 lifeangelus wrote: Hey guys sorry I havnt been replying have had so much help from so many in the community been chating with alot of people on skype. Really didnt know the game had such a good community.
Im no troll ive been flown around in helicopters working out of helicopters and been droped onto power lines for years. I do the same job that person in the clip does. Wear a faraday suit put the arching rod to main and climb onto them. Climb along the whole main to inspect for any breaks in the lines etc.
Anyways thanks again for the support guys. In contact with alot of people now to make this happen!
If something comes along/something significant happens would you please update the thread so there is an actual result?
and please consider my advice before you get into some contract with a random team house manager who provides a bed and food in a house with 10 other people. Being around progamers will probably not make you a better player. Practing will. Most korean pros practice mainly on ladder. Several have said this many times. Squirtle, Bomber, etc.
On December 20 2012 19:11 NeutralDepot wrote: The question really is what you actually want. Do you want to have a fun time playing the game you love and get in touch with some well-known foreign pros or do you want to become the best player you possibly can.
If it's the latter don't bother moving to some crappy team house in poland and play with medicore foreigners. As read in threads before nothing there helps you to be a better gamer aside from sitting next to semi-good players.
If you want to become excellent YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE DRIVE and a comfortable practice environment. Check earlier threads about the MoV team house. Some player weren't able to sleep because of parties, do you really like sitting next to other peole hacking on their keyboards etc. etc.
If you are serious about gaming and have 500 k do this:
1) Start learning korean so you can barely understand stuff and express yourself.
2) Get information about moving to korea as fast as possible.
3) Try to be there at least when HOTS comes out.
3) Rent a flat there and make it comfortable. You shouldn't really need much. Having your own flat has so many advantages over a sweaty team house where you sleep in a room with 2 to 3 other people.
4) Make a Barcode account on HOTS.
5) Practice 13 to 15 hours a day on a korean ladder. You should have the best possible ping there is.
The fifth step is really all you need. It's as simple as that and by far the hardest of all at the same time.
Doing this will show you the hard way whether you are motivated to become the best or not. You will have no excuse if you fail. Look at stuff like Desrow arguing about food at the MoW house or flying to MaximusBlack for a week to coach him. Somebody like him will never become remotely good.
HOTS will open up attention for many new players and if you are that serious you have a chance to become known. You can participate in Code A qualifiers etc. You don't need coaching. You need top notch mechanics and these are achieved by grinding. Grinding beyond any other foreigner. Do you think top korean players got there by being coached? Coaching and MoW teamhouses are for players who do not actually have the drive to play on their own. Once you have extremely good mechanics, like top 5 foreigner mechanics, you can do whatever you want and live wherever you want but half-arsed coaching by progamers who do not have the drive to play even 10 hours a day on their own and dubious team houses in poland are not what you want. How come most foreigners are so much worse than koreans and most foreigners are not even able to beat people like Stephano/Nerchio/Scarlett who play 2 hours a day. Having your own flat in Korea is more than you need to become the best player possible environmentwise. The rest is up to you.
It is my opinion that OP is lying. He is not rich, he has not been working since 12 unless it involves washingthe dishes for mom, and he certainly does not or indeed ever had a 200k pa salary. He also does not intend to play SC2 full time. This is just a troll.
Sometiomes people say incorrect things on the internet to get a reaction out of people. This, in my opinion, is one of those times. Think about it critically and maybe you will come to the same conclusion.
I dont know if people realise but I tried not to post very little about my income originally when I posted but people harrased me constantly for details. Its all good though. Alot has come from me creating this thread and all the naysayers just seem jelous. The reason why im not responding to some of the questions is because I really dont care. Just listening to the advice from the decent people.
i hope you the best of luck, and hope you improve your play. If you can play comfortably and it isn't a large risk, then do it. ministry of win sounds like a good option, but if you are ok with a little bit more isolation perhaps korea is more your thing. I can't speak for sponsors or teams or even your own goals. Just think about what you like out of life.
I'm pretty sure alot of teams would pick you up, if your paying for most everything, its a low risk investment with a potential to appeal to starcraft 2 spectators that would see a player older and newblood and that is possibly something they could relate too. It sounds like good advertising to me even if you don't get as good as you want or hope.
This is just quick brainstorming but perhaps maybe contact EG or TL to go to their new house in korea. If you can convince them that you are a low risk investment and that you would be good advertising or whatever then you could be in the exposure of korean pros that could possibly inspire you, while still having people of your own language there to keep you sane and motivated.
But if you don't want to do a sacrifice like that, ministry of win or something of the like may be a little better.
On December 20 2012 22:07 lifeangelus wrote: I dont know if people realise but I tried not to post very little about my income originally when I posted but people harrased me constantly for details. Its all good though. Alot has come from me creating this thread and all the naysayers just seem jelous. The reason why im not responding to some of the questions is because I really dont care. Just listening to the advice from the decent people.
On December 20 2012 21:41 Naniwa wrote: 28 yo is too old to start
Pretty much this. 28 years old means it's pretty much time to retire for ever. Go manage your own SC2 team, probably the only way to do something that is worth the time. There is a reason why the top Korean players are between 15-20years old.
Good to hear you're making progress. Personally, this is not my thing at all, but if you're happy with, why not? I'm sorry if this asks more than you want to say, but do you have any concrete plans? For example, have you been to the academies of different teams, or have you contacted something like ministry of win, like others stated in this thread? I can't be of any help, because my network is not really significant, and i have a lack of knowledge, but i'm just interested
I dont mean to be rude but considering the amount of hate mail ive recieved on here(there has been more good then bad). Would you give another way for me people to harrass you. Ive given the details to the appropriate people and am actually going to be playing some games tommorow with some people who have contacted me.
Someone has to work on the power lines while there alive because no one wants there power off anymore My first job in the field was climbing 12 meter poles and I was shit scared for like a year. but now its 12m or 1200m. I dont care anymore. If you fall from either your propably gonna die anyways
On December 20 2012 18:12 Dox wrote: I just went through the archives of every SC2 tournament I've run and the ID "Hammer" doesn't come up in any of them. Furthermore, why haven't you competed in any events like ACLPro or WCS Australia?
And what CS team did you manage / compete with? I ran ~8 of the WCG events and I don't recognise the name. Did you use a different ID in CS? Why haven't you approached any Australian teams like iM, Fray, Nv, etc?
I honestly don't mean any harm when I say this, but SEA on GM doesn't count for much. The GM ladder hasn't even filled up in over 10 months now. It's a ghost town. Got any replays or anything we can take a look at?
On December 20 2012 18:12 Dox wrote: I just went through the archives of every SC2 tournament I've run and the ID "Hammer" doesn't come up in any of them. Furthermore, why haven't you competed in any events like ACLPro or WCS Australia?
And what CS team did you manage / compete with? I ran ~8 of the WCG events and I don't recognise the name. Did you use a different ID in CS? Why haven't you approached any Australian teams like iM, Fray, Nv, etc?
I honestly don't mean any harm when I say this, but SEA on GM doesn't count for much. The GM ladder hasn't even filled up in over 10 months now. It's a ghost town. Got any replays or anything we can take a look at?
Please answer this.
Agreed, we have never heard of you, yet you say you have been to many tournaments at least in SEA
Why would he? Why is there is any need for him to prove his statements to you? Are you going to offer him a job if he does? Hell no. You are probably just jealous about his situation or want to start some other kind of derail on this thread. Even if he is a bronze player who just picked up the game yesterday and is just lying about his skill level so he is not shitted on by everybody on teamliquid the advises would be the same. Go to Korea, practice like crazy.
First of all mate, I'm a proud SEAtizen and I want to look out for him in tournaments and the like. Why would I be jealous of his current situation? What do I have to be jealous of? Why would I, a decently recognized TL poster (I think) want to derail a thread?
On December 20 2012 22:19 lifeangelus wrote: Also ive recieved alot of warnings from about WIN so Im going to be avoiding it. No hate from here just taking the words of people
On December 20 2012 16:11 lifeangelus wrote: To all the hate about my rank. You should try maintain gm on two servers and masters on 2. It takes alot of playtime and fitting that around work is tough but I still love it!
On December 20 2012 18:12 Dox wrote: I just went through the archives of every SC2 tournament I've run and the ID "Hammer" doesn't come up in any of them. Furthermore, why haven't you competed in any events like ACLPro or WCS Australia?
And what CS team did you manage / compete with? I ran ~8 of the WCG events and I don't recognise the name. Did you use a different ID in CS? Why haven't you approached any Australian teams like iM, Fray, Nv, etc?
I honestly don't mean any harm when I say this, but SEA on GM doesn't count for much. The GM ladder hasn't even filled up in over 10 months now. It's a ghost town. Got any replays or anything we can take a look at?
Please answer this.
On December 20 2012 21:05 PiPoGevy wrote:
On December 20 2012 20:57 RPR_Tempest wrote:
On December 20 2012 18:12 Dox wrote: I just went through the archives of every SC2 tournament I've run and the ID "Hammer" doesn't come up in any of them. Furthermore, why haven't you competed in any events like ACLPro or WCS Australia?
And what CS team did you manage / compete with? I ran ~8 of the WCG events and I don't recognise the name. Did you use a different ID in CS? Why haven't you approached any Australian teams like iM, Fray, Nv, etc?
I honestly don't mean any harm when I say this, but SEA on GM doesn't count for much. The GM ladder hasn't even filled up in over 10 months now. It's a ghost town. Got any replays or anything we can take a look at?
Please answer this.
Agreed, we have never heard of you, yet you say you have been to many tournaments at least in SEA
Why would he? Why is there is any need for him to prove his statements to you? Are you going to offer him a job if he does? Hell no. You are probably just jealous about his situation or want to start some other kind of derail on this thread. Even if he is a bronze player who just picked up the game yesterday and is just lying about his skill level so he is not shitted on by everybody on teamliquid the advises would be the same. Go to Korea, practice like crazy.
First of all mate, I'm a proud SEAtizen and I want to look out for him in tournaments and the like. Why would I be jealous of his current situation? What do I have to be jealous of? Why would I, a decently recognized TL poster (I think) want to derail a thread?
Because he obviously seems very reluctant to post his ID and further inquiring leads to more and more people questioning his story ultimately departing from "advises for his goal" to "is this guy shitting us". But anyway he already seems to have found a solution.
Well i wish you all the best, nice to see someone is following his dream. I probably have nothing useful to add since people before me covered most of the options. Don't know if it's mentioned but maybe you could try contacting azubu or some company like that and get into korean team-house through them?
Honestly 28 imo is too old to be a progamer. There are a few exceptions like Nestea and White-ra but they been playing starcraft for over a decade now. The best thing that can happen to you is becoming a mediocre pro,even that is hard to achieve. Best of luck anyway,
On December 20 2012 22:45 Chill wrote: No reason to turn your hobby into your failed career. Just keep doing what you're doing imo.
Keep on doing what you don't enjoy is a good idea? Rather see this as a competitive sabbatical. As long as he has fun doing it, awesome, as soon has he doesn't anymore, he has options. Sounds perfect.
wow man, that is hell of a job there. I got chills even watching this video. Take care and best luck at gaming! Shall be glad to hear about your progress.
I don't know these kinds of threads seem a little weird to me (though this time it's a little different).
If you have so much money saved up just play starcraft all day and try to get better, contact team houses/mow and get good practice partners. Isn't the point of getting a lot of monies to do what you enjoy, if you enjoy playing sc2 and competing just do it... no need for the "i want to play full time".
I think a lot of you are too young to get whats going on in this blokes head. Most of you probably don't have more than 1 or 2 years of work behind you, for those who actually have worked once in their life. Someone who has 16 years behind him and has been smart with the money he's made should definitly start thinking about what he WANTS to do... The job could seem good, but I m pretty sure its gotta get pretty boring after the 400th line you work on...
Have fun man, as I understand thats all your looking for, and you re as fuckin right as could be!
On December 20 2012 22:45 Chill wrote: No reason to turn your hobby into your failed career. Just keep doing what you're doing imo.
Did you even read what he wrote? Looks like he knows what he is doing to me.
Sounds like a great idea to me. Live while you can, especially if you've got the money for it. Good luck!
Also OP just ignore a lot of these people, they either didn't read what you've wrote or they just don't understand. Do what you want to do and be happy with it, no reason to listen to people if all they will be is ignorant.
It seems like your mind is made up. I would normally advise against this, but it sounds like you're pretty set up financially. So if you think you'll be able to return to your old job, or one at a level that you're happy with if it doesn't work out you could treat this as more of a sabbatical.
Keep in mind that there are guys who have achieved a lot more than you have with a similar, or even lower amount of time put in so you do have an uphill struggle ahead of you, but I say go for it if you want to and good luck!
Take this bit of advice from me, DO WHAT YOU LOVE. If starcraft is what you love and you are the happiest when playing it, then do it. You have enough money for sure to live off of while you make an honest attempt at your dream. Do you think that anyone in the Starcraft community has "made it" by playing the safe way? No...I mean DJWheat quit his job at a bank, Jason Lank I think stopped being a fucking Lawyer. I would make an attempt to reach out to EG for their Korean Lair, Offer to pay 10-20% of the operating costs for their Korean lair training house.
This will do a few things. Take a financial burden of one of the premier teams, give you a ton of practice on KR ladder, and talk, eat, socialize with the top pros (I wouldn't expect to be able to practice with them). As long as you are respectful and give the team their space, it would be a net positive experience for everyone involved. You can make important connections, as well as help grow esports. Win/Win right? Now try and make it happen, I would love to see someone else succeed at their dream.
You should know after a bit of playing where your skill cap and potential ends. No amount of endless playing will bring you to the top. You either have it or you don't, and unfortunately most people don't. People get offended by the word talent, but everyone is different. Someone people's minds are just better attuned to learn and strive in a fast paced RTS setting. If you can't at the very least completely understand the complexities of top level decision making while you're watching tournaments without Day9 or Apollo explaining it to you then don't even bother I'd say.
On December 20 2012 23:21 Gentso wrote: You should know after a bit of playing where your skill cap and potential ends. No amount of endless playing will bring you to the top. You either have it or you don't, and unfortunately most people don't. People get offended by the word talent, but everyone is different. Someone people's minds are just better attuned to learn and strive in a fast paced RTS setting. If you can't at the very least completely understand the complexities of top level decision making while you're watching tournaments without Day9 or Apollo explaining it to you then don't even bother I'd say.
The skill cap doesn't exist except for the .0001% who are winning every tournament. With dedication, anyone could be a respectable foreigner, but you're right talent comes into play if you want to be comparable to the top koreans.
Wow man, awesome post, I have no advice to give you but I wanted to say good luck. You sound like a hella hard worker who knows what he wants and is gonna go get it. GLHF!
You should try talking to some folks in the esports scene. A good number of them seem really open and friendly when it comes to making esports grow. It might be impossible to contact someone like day[9], but I'm thinking of maybe the NASL folks (Rotterdam and MrBitter particularly) or maybe some folks in EG? (I don't know, but inControl has opinions about a lot of things, so he might have some info). I mentioned MrBitter in particular because the Razer House in California is still just opening up but both Rotterdam and MrBitter actually live there, so you might have some good advice/coaching. It also seems like a stopping point for a lot of folks who are going to tournaments in California, so it would definitely be a cool place to meet some pros every now and then.
You should also look into talking to Azubu.viOLet's manager. Until recently, he just has a personal sponsorship and lived with his manager in Texas. His manager might have some hints on how to make this happen and what costs are like, but I'd say that 1) that would take a LOT of discipline to actually practice and 2) since you're just starting out, this might not be the best way to actually get better.
Sounds like a sweet idea with your financial situation, just have realistic expectations of the chances of making it big which you probably do. I myself took a little over a year off work when sc2 came out...not to play competitively but basically just to fuck around playing video games lol. And yeah it's not hard to find another job after taking time off, so long as you are willing to move if necessary.
No adivce on my part, just wanted to wish you good luck! Chasing our dreams is the reason we are on this earth. If the potential is there, I'm sure things will work out just fine! GL HF
On December 20 2012 22:45 Chill wrote: No reason to turn your hobby into your failed career. Just keep doing what you're doing imo.
I really hate this attitude, how do you know he's going to fail? What if it's a good thing if he does fail, it's an experience. I'm really surprised that someone as important to TL as you are would have such a defeatist mindset.
OP, please think of a worst case scenario; this can fail. You might spend all your money and time playing, and you won't win anything etc. Do you still think it's worth it? If your answer is yes, then there is absolutely NO doubt that you should do this, and I wish you good luck and have fun :D
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On December 20 2012 22:45 Chill wrote: No reason to turn your hobby into your failed career. Just keep doing what you're doing imo.
If there's no risk involved, I say go for it. Not everyone has the opportunity to drop everything and try their luck as a progamer. I'm sure most of the people trolling/discouraging you are just jealous.
Another thing. The fact that you're posting this is worrysome. Being too involved in the community and their opinions can be a big detriment to a pro gamer. No offense to incontrol but he's a prime example.
Flash, Jaedong, Bisu, all of them got where they are with hard work. Don't listen to the nay-sayers who think you're too old or not talented enough (for that reason, it's best not to make these kinds of threads). Wish I could give you some advice - I'm trying to make it into the pro scene too. Good luck!
Good luck man! You're a much wiser man than I. I'm pretty much doing the same thing now except I wasn't smart enough to save up some money beforehand. GL, I would definitely check out Ministry of Win and possibly even the coL academy to see if you can get into their house in Dallas.
It's been mentioned a couple of times in passing, but I want to point out that your wish (or lack thereof) to participate in tournaments should be a big factor as to where you want to live. For many teams, the biggest cost is travelling to various tournaments, so if you want to compete in the huge LANs like MLG etc., then you should aim for NA, I think. If you'd like to compete with high-skilled players in online tournaments as often as possible, then Europe would be your thing. If you're content with trying to qualify for GSL once every two months, then I guess Korea would be perfect. This is of course a huge oversimplifaction, but I think it should play a part in your decision. Of course, if you don't care about tournaments, anywhere is fine, I guess.
Also, be sure to avoid game-related injuries! If you wreck your wrists, you may not be able to return to your old job and that would be a real shame, considering it's your foolproof backup plan...
If you have the financial stability to do it, do it.
The problem I have when people say they're going to do this is they do it while completely sabotaging the rest of their lives or having no backup plan. You've got the right mentality going into this.
That being said have a full plan. Have a schedule, have benchmarks, have ways to evaluate where you are in terms of your goals. If things aren't working out know when to cut your loses and go back to your day job. Generally people who try this out don't have a plan and end up spinning their tires for months or years not really knowing where they're going, or what they want out of it. If you have clear goals and a comprehensive plan it will be easier to be successful.
In the end no one can force you to live your life in a certain way, or follow a specific path. They can tell you to, or suggest you do something else, but it's all up to you. If this is what you want from life go for it. Just make sure you have the passion to realize it. And if any point it stops being reward or fun, or you're not getting out of it what you want to then have the humility to realize it's not worth it.
On December 21 2012 00:30 fire_brand wrote: If you have the financial stability to do it, do it.
The problem I have when people say they're going to do this is they do it while completely sabotaging the rest of their lives or having no backup plan. You've got the right mentality going into this.
That being said have a full plan. Have a schedule, have benchmarks, have ways to evaluate where you are in terms of your goals. If things aren't working out know when to cut your loses and go back to your day job. Generally people who try this out don't have a plan and end up spinning their tires for months or years not really knowing where they're going, or what they want out of it. If you have clear goals and a comprehensive plan it will be easier to be successful.
In the end no one can force you to live your life in a certain way, or follow a specific path. They can tell you to, or suggest you do something else, but it's all up to you. If this is what you want from life go for it. Just make sure you have the passion to realize it. And if any point it stops being reward or fun, or you're not getting out of it what you want to then have the humility to realize it's not worth it.
Just want to pipe in, I'm 28 and I "rerolled" my career, trained to be a dentist and now I'm a programmer (you name it I can code it). If you can afford it, it's probably the one of the best things you can do. If you can't it's probably the worst. You seem to have made up your mind already, and if you just want the break/change of scenery and your job is pretty secure, why the hell not?
Also ignore the morons who say you are too old etc, they are just using that as a crutch as to why they are terrible, if you put the hours in there is no reason why you couldn't be successful, the reason why most progamers are young is PURELY the fact younger people have more free time to practice.
On December 21 2012 00:38 Detri wrote: Also ignore the morons who say you are too old etc, they are just using that as a crutch as to why they are terrible, if you put the hours in there is no reason why you couldn't be successful, the reason why most progamers are young is PURELY the fact younger people have more free time to practice.
This is actually entirely true. I actually laugh when people say you are too old to play Starcraft when you are still in your 20's. Ever seen professional pianists when they are still banging away on the keys until they're 80? Lol.
On December 21 2012 00:02 Arnstein wrote: OP, please think of a worst case scenario; this can fail. You might spend all your money and time playing, and you won't win anything etc. Do you still think it's worth it? If your answer is yes, then there is absolutely NO doubt that you should do this, and I wish you good luck and have fun :D
On December 20 2012 22:45 Chill wrote: No reason to turn your hobby into your failed career. Just keep doing what you're doing imo.
Chill, get out!
Best quote yet...
It sounds like you are in it for the love and not the money, so what is the worst thing that could happend. If you have the means to support you go do it and remember to have fun while doing it.
If you want to do something while you're still young may I suggest travelling the world instead and going hiking/surfing/snowboarding/para-sailing/skiing/scuba diving/spelunking or whatever you may fancy. You have your whole life to sit in front of a computer 24/7 but your body is only capable of doing the aforementioned activities properly while you are young.
Just something I'd consider. If you do go into programing for years just make sure you're health doesn't take a hit. Stay active!
Move to Korea, get a small appartment, hit up their more prestigious lan centers, play on their ladder everyday. If you get into Master's League you'll be in a better position to negotiate with teams.
On December 21 2012 00:51 nottapro wrote: Move to Korea, get a small appartment, hit up their more prestigious lan centers, play on their ladder everyday. If you get into Master's League you'll be in a better position to negotiate with teams.
Tbh I don't think he would have to move to Korea since he already lives in Austrailia. I'm pretty sure the latency wouldn't be too big of a problem at all as I've seen mOOnglade and a bunch of other fellow Aussies laddering away on KR. It actually just might be better for him to practice and get his skill leve up on KR at home before quitting his job and moving overseas.
On December 21 2012 00:51 nottapro wrote: Move to Korea, get a small appartment, hit up their more prestigious lan centers, play on their ladder everyday. If you get into Master's League you'll be in a better position to negotiate with teams.
Tbh I don't think he would have to move to Korea since he already lives in Austrailia. I'm pretty sure the latency wouldn't be too big of a problem at all as I've seen mOOnglade and a bunch of other fellow Aussies laddering away on KR. It actually just might be better for him to practice and get his skill leve up on KR at home before quitting his job and moving overseas.
Definitely agreed, I didn't know how about the latency issues were. If its nominal, stay at home.
If i had the money to spend i would rather go to a tropical island and surf every day. Like hawaii or south east asia or the canary islands or the carribean. Fuck gaming compared to that!^^
I think it kinda depends on what you want to achieve and how hardcore you want to work for it.
If money is not an issue and you want to maximize your skills i would go to korea and get into a gaming house and learn korean. Maybe contact someone like reis (manager of mc and sk gaming) who has those contacts. That would be the hardest way but i think thats the way you can become really good but it takes a huge amount of dedication. Learning korean would be difficult for sure but you get some language skills that can be beneficial outside of e-sports too and its probably the most efficient way to get to the very top. but it might be more a job than a fun year.
if you just want to play a lot of tourneys and have a fun experience in esports i would go to europe because there are a lot of dailies, weeklies, small tourneys, where you can actually win some pocket money now and then. There are actually a lot of skilled foreigners which offer coaching or like to share opinions. I guess at your skill level you would have to buy coaching from progamers. I dont know if you can get into millenium house but i would be a bit reluctant to go to mow house. Im not sure if its that awesome. I would just go near krefeld where homestorycup is and you can ask if you can train in that house, because there are usually people like monchi, cloud and real around and you can have a really fun experience at homestorycup. Also you can go to a lot of open brackets in europe for example at the dreamhack and iem tourneys, gamescom is cologne, stockholm is not that far and you could compete in the german eps.
well and in the us im not so sure.. theres a lot of money for top tier tournaments and a lot of teams buy top players but i dont know so much about it.
it took me 2 months of 10 hours/day streaming until i got recognized.. ppl knew me in game and they wish me luck and even the developers of the game came to my stream and invited me to help work with them.,.. but oh boy it took alot on me to get that far..so trying to get into a sc2 team house should be miles away from you sir.
even if u are masters/gm that doesnt mean jack unless you have a personality,quality that they need.
Good luck mate, you sound like someone who has already learnt to work hard and achieved a lot so in some respects youre better than many pros in terms of your mentality, I would go for either Europe or NA because you can do sports, travel and gaming = win
On December 21 2012 00:49 Teggy03 wrote: If you want to do something while you're still young may I suggest travelling the world instead and going hiking/surfing/snowboarding/para-sailing/skiing/scuba diving/spelunking or whatever you may fancy. You have your whole life to sit in front of a computer 24/7 but your body is only capable of doing the aforementioned activities properly while you are young.
Just something I'd consider. If you do go into programing for years just make sure you're health doesn't take a hit. Stay active!
my 2 cents.
couldn't agree more.... use your time off for more productive things like this. You can also sit home in Aussie and devote loads of time to sc2 there as well without having to move anywhere. No pro house will be willing to house you if you expect the pros to teach you. MoW house will be full of lower tier players like yourself(and I mean that in the nicest way possible, not a jab at your skills), whilst the pros will just grind out hours upon hours of ladder games and not be willing to pracc vs. you to teach you.
So do what Teggy said... use the $$ to travel the World and experience it and if you have money left over and time you can just sit home and grind out ladder for 12+ hours a day until you're ready to move back into the real world and/or you actually get extremely good that you start winning events and eventually get picked up to a pro team and move into their house.
Regardless of what you do I wish you the best of luck, and keep chasing whatever dreams you may have.
You really want to build up as solid a following as possible. I am not sure what your in game username is but if it resembles the your TL username I've not heard of you.(Not a slight, but I almost exclusively watch amateur, non Korean streamers). Even having 30-50 regular stream viewers goes a long way in attracting attention from teams capable of supporting you.
A lot of you guys STILL don't get the op...the guy wants to enjoy his life after working so hard (100+ hours a week!!! damn!!!). He's looking for advice/ideas on where to go to play full time. To the op...definitely hit up lastshadow, or any of the other foreign players living in korea. If I was in your position, I would definitely try to get into a teamhouse in korea. Especially if you're willing to pay some money. Lets just say you're willing to spend 1,500 to 2,000 USD a month (about 1,611,500 to 2,150,000 Korean won), thats a lot of money and if i was a team manager, I would let someone that has that much passion into the house. Never say never...I hope you find what you are looking for dude. Mad respect.
On December 21 2012 00:49 Teggy03 wrote: If you want to do something while you're still young may I suggest travelling the world instead and going hiking/surfing/snowboarding/para-sailing/skiing/scuba diving/spelunking or whatever you may fancy. You have your whole life to sit in front of a computer 24/7 but your body is only capable of doing the aforementioned activities properly while you are young.
Just something I'd consider. If you do go into programing for years just make sure you're health doesn't take a hit. Stay active!
my 2 cents.
Go to Cali. As you have said you have already travelled the world, but in Cali, you can game and do all the activities mentioned in this post. You can play 10 hours a day and still have time to go to the beach and hit some waves for an hour, go to the mountains and snowboard for the weekend. Gaming full time doesn't mean you can't still be active. As someone who was GM on NA while working full time and being able to keep active, I found it easiest in Cali. I am in WI now and the winter makes it harder to keep active and I am no better than I was when I was more active.
On December 21 2012 00:49 Teggy03 wrote: If you want to do something while you're still young may I suggest travelling the world instead and going hiking/surfing/snowboarding/para-sailing/skiing/scuba diving/spelunking or whatever you may fancy. You have your whole life to sit in front of a computer 24/7 but your body is only capable of doing the aforementioned activities properly while you are young.
Just something I'd consider. If you do go into programing for years just make sure you're health doesn't take a hit. Stay active!
my 2 cents.
Go to Cali. As you have said you have already travelled the world, but in Cali, you can game and do all the activities mentioned in this post. You can play 10 hours a day and still have time to go to the beach and hit some waves for an hour, go to the mountains and snowboard for the weekend. Gaming full time doesn't mean you can't still be active. As someone who was GM on NA while working full time and being able to keep active, I found it easiest in Cali. I am in WI now and the winter makes it harder to keep active and I am no better than I was when I was more active.
This guy does have a point actually. If you ever plan on travelling the world, you may as well do it now before you go serious mode sc2, since HOTS is coming out in March, and then the metagame/balancing is going to be all fucked up for the first 1/2 to 1 year probably (remember what games were like in the first year of sc2?). So I don't think you'd be missing much.
Well Good luck man !! I must say I am a bit envious of you, not that I like the feeling mind you but.. I am still a bit jealous being able to do pretty much whatever.. go you!! Must have been a lot of personal sacrifices early...
That said. Not having read the rest of the thread just your op. If you do manage to come stateside. Arizona is a cheap place to live. (Im in Tucson) and I am pretty sure the Phoenix Arizona scene should be decent with EG's state side house. Wish I could help you more and would be really cool to see where you end up gl man!!
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Or better yet do what Eternal^ up above quoted/say's !!
Best of luck. My advice to you would be - keep the passion for the game alive, feed it with everything you have, as without it, you will not get far, and even if you do, if you don't enjoy the journey itself, then the victory will not be as big as it could be. Travel to open events like Dreamhack and try to get your name out there. Finding a gaming house which would take you in would be obviously a plus as well; but there are not many open choices out there, unless you have connections - however, money can be a strong ally in that regard, so you may get lucky.
Hope it works for you, don't let anyone to tell you that you are too old for living your dreams and passion for StarCraft. I know that if I had the money, I'd practically do the same, and yes, we are of the same age.
On December 20 2012 21:41 Naniwa wrote: 28 yo is too old to start
28 is not when he's starting. He's already GM. He just needs the GM --> pro jump.
GM on SEA is like masters on every other server, I'm not being mean it's already proved by the sc2ranks.com (nearly 2% of the SEA server is in gm..). Still I wish OP best of luck, if you find it fun, do it!
Ok, as a 28 year old man I think you still can become a RTS pro as well as a progamer. Do not listen to other people its your life, do you really want to look at this moment of your life and realize you didn't become pro because some (probably loser) told you "you're too old"? That's what makes life interesting overcoming obstacles not following the brainless/dreamless masses. Go for it man, I'm 23 and Mid-masters on NA I plan on being a pro gamer (I graduated from university this year) and according to some people in this thread I'm past my prime lol. Lets do it!
Look, this guy might be manic. Do we care? No, it's not our business.
GIVEN that they information is true, I say do it, man. But I would first contact a professional team to get you situated with practice partners and things, or look to some of the academies (Razer academy, MoW).
You can do it! Especially if you have money, I can't believe that an academy would refuse you, if you pay them to stay in the house. Try to contact every NA team (maybe FXOna, clarity, light, coL academy, etc.etc.)
Don't give up man, it's hard to make it as a pro gamer, but as you mention it, you're still young and you should still have dreams. I find this post very inspirational, gl to you . ~
On December 20 2012 21:41 Naniwa wrote: 28 yo is too old to start
28 is not when he's starting. He's already GM. He just needs the GM --> pro jump.
GM on SEA is like masters on every other server, I'm not being mean it's already proved by the sc2ranks.com (nearly 2% of the SEA server is in gm..). Still I wish OP best of luck, if you find it fun, do it!
GM, by definition, cannot house 2% of the people on a server. Masters does that, I believe.
Hey guys and gals. over the last couple of years ive spent most of my time working and playing SC2 every day and managed to get GM on oceania, Masters on NA and korean server. I have been saving every bit of cash I could with the idea of moving from Australia to either america or korea to play starcraft 2 full time with people who have the same appreciation for the game I do.
I figure with the amount of cash Ive saved(alot) ill be able to live comfortably without a job for a fair few years. The problem comes from not having the chance to talk with anybody important to make it happen. Im preety much willing to pay a team house to let me live with them and play everyday until im worthy of actually being part of a team.
I know this is a really wierd post cause I read TL everyday and have never seen a post asking this sought of thing. But if anyone has any ideas of how I can make this happen or giving me something to work towards it would be great.
Cheers in advance!
Edit: I had multiple PM's of people asking me to put the information I replied in the thread so I did.
Im 28. Im not putting anything on the line by doing this. I already own 2 properties out-right in australia so all the extra cash ive had is straight in my bank. Ive worked since I was 12 and am looking to do something I enjoy in life while Im still young.
800 us a month is nothing was expecting it to be much more. Thanks for more advice looking into the ministry of win now.
I have entered a heap of online australian and american tournaments. I stoped the aussie ones cause there is only a couple of good players so I stuck with all the american ones. Not here trying to show me e-peen off just trying to see what sort of options are out there.
Thanks for all the replys im gonna keep reading up on the suggestions.
I have managed to reach GM on hots which I didnt mention and am playing it at a 50/50 rate to wol. Im not really caring where the market ends up for sc2. Im not in it for the money. I just love smashing terran and zerg under the might of the zealot
Thanks for the constant advice. looking into all the different teams mentioned
Started working as a linesman after all my smaller jobs in school. Ended up qualified to work up to 330000v alive and started investing at the age of 18 in stocks and housing. Ive killed all my sperm off so it came with a price
"dont do it" ? I dont want to work anymore should I just sit around and do nothing... or should I travel to all the countrys ive already been to and experienced.. Gotta do what you enjoy To those juding if I have enough to survive. I didnt go into details because its not anyones bussiness. But here you go if it means I can get more information. I own a property in parramatta which was recently valued at 640000. I own a property in st clair which was also valued at 490000. I have had a salary over 200k pa for a fair few years. Ive saved plenty. Thankfully there is only about 10000 people around the world qualified to do my job. I can get a work visa in any country in the world and a job at at anytime I like around the world. If it does not work out going back to my job will take about 15-20minutes to organise.
Please just post any advice SC2 related you can
I would love knowing what you do for work.
On topic; I know if I were to do this, I'd want it to be in Korea. In part because of it simply being the center of skill and in part because I'm interested in the culture/language.
On December 20 2012 21:41 Naniwa wrote: 28 yo is too old to start
28 is not when he's starting. He's already GM. He just needs the GM --> pro jump.
GM on SEA is like masters on every other server, I'm not being mean it's already proved by the sc2ranks.com (nearly 2% of the SEA server is in gm..). Still I wish OP best of luck, if you find it fun, do it!
GM, by definition, cannot house 2% of the people on a server. Masters does that, I believe.
If there are 10000 active players then GM by definition is 2% of the players.
On December 20 2012 21:41 Naniwa wrote: 28 yo is too old to start
28 is not when he's starting. He's already GM. He just needs the GM --> pro jump.
GM on SEA is like masters on every other server, I'm not being mean it's already proved by the sc2ranks.com (nearly 2% of the SEA server is in gm..). Still I wish OP best of luck, if you find it fun, do it!
GM, by definition, cannot house 2% of the people on a server. Masters does that, I believe.
GM houses a static 200, not a percentage like the other divisions. So, assuming a low enough server population, GM could be top 2%.
If you're serious about becoming the best you can be, Korea is the only real option. You might have to take a hit in standard of living (i.e. live in a team house with a bunch of younger guys), but I'd bet some of the best teams would take you on if the price were right. You probably will have to learn Korean either before or while you are there (might be hard if you are playing a lot of SC2).
I haven't heard the greatest things about MoW, but maybe that could work for you. Honestly, I don't see much point in doing it if you aren't willing to do it in Korea, as the results you will see elsewhere probably won't be worth your time/effort/money.
On December 21 2012 02:21 HardlyNever wrote: If you're serious about becoming the best you can be, Korea is the only real option. You might have to take a hit in standard of living (i.e. live in a team house with a bunch of younger guys), but I'd bet some of the best teams would take you on if the price were right. You probably will have to learn Korean either before or while you are there (might be hard if you are playing a lot of SC2).
I haven't heard the greatest things about MoW, but maybe that could work for you. Honestly, I don't see much point in doing it if you aren't willing to do it in Korea, as the results you will see elsewhere probably won't be worth your time/effort/money.
Just my 2c.
Korea would be cheaper too since he wouldn't have to fly himself all the way to Europe since he already lives in Austrailia.
So what you're saying is after working and saving up some bank you're ready to upgrade your skills and move across the map to see what others are doing and then pay to add to your arsenal of abilities in order to eventually conquer anyone else you see in your way, but you want to do this all in a thought out way that you're hoping to execute properly? Sounds like something fun we should all try! Maybe you could even turn this idea into a game! In all seriousness, I wish you the best and don't listen to the naysayers. They obviously haven't saved up the bank that you have therefore don't understand the concept of conquering the next level since they haven't conquered their current one. Being someone who lives in Korea, I can tell you that this is SC2 Mecca...there is almost always a live event you can go to or an internet cafe you can play top quality players if not getting into a top game house. There is a community here as well. You'll see the same foreigners at the same events and eventually networking isn't a problem. Perhaps you can even add learning Korean to your repetoire of accomplishments when you're all said and done. Or you can do what Grrr, Elky and Rekrul have done while here and transition into poker...hehe Anyways, I say follow your dream. It sounds like you already accomplished your first one.
I really feel you could be doing much more exciting things with that money, such as traveling the world. Being a [successful] professional gamer isn't just sitting around playing games all day. It's really hard work. No offense, but considering you will probably never become successful, I feel like the money would be a lot better spent on vacations and such, keeping gaming as more of a 'hobby' on the sideline. That's just my 2cents of course. Do whatever makes you happy.
so many bronze level and silver level players of life trying to offer life advice to a grand master. I say dont offer DONT do it advice unless you have 100,000 saved up.
If you have as much cash saved up so that you can live literally with no income for several years like you say, then I'd suggest the following:
- Go to America rather than korea. There are more laid back type situations as far as allowing non-team players to be part of the house, and has the added benefit of no language barrier. Also you can move to any major city you want, just grab an apartment and play on your own in the states while looking for people to join up with or to even make a team house of your own.
- Focus on finding people you enjoy playing/practicing with rather than just people who will give you the biggest challenge. The biggest obstacle in getting really good at any game is being able to enjoy playing as long as you can.
All the power to you my friend. As far as places to look for apartments, I'd suggest Boston/Cambridge in MA, or NY city NY, just because there's a lot of people, lots of barcraft events and stuff, and anything you need you can either walk to or take a cab/subway so you don't have to worry about owning/renting a car.
Honestly, if you have the funds and feel like you want to chase a dream, go to Korea. Blog/make videos of you trying to make it as a Starcraft player. Even if you suck and don't get anywhere in six months or a year, you could probably still have a year's worth of adventures to look back on and have a great story to tell.
If you were some kid who didn't have money, I would say you're an idiot, but seeing as you have the money and stability, there is no reason why you shouldn't travel to Korea and go on a crazy adventure.
On December 21 2012 07:28 Fionn wrote: Honestly, if you have the funds and feel like you want to chase a dream, go to Korea. Blog/make videos of you trying to make it as a Starcraft player. Even if you suck and don't get anywhere in six months or a year, you could probably still have a year's worth of adventures to look back on and have a great story to tell.
If you were some kid who didn't have money, I would say you're an idiot, but seeing as you have the money and stability, there is no reason why you shouldn't travel to Korea and go on a crazy adventure.
A thousand times this. Please record your adventures in some medium, because I would love to follow it.
On December 21 2012 07:28 Fionn wrote: Honestly, if you have the funds and feel like you want to chase a dream, go to Korea. Blog/make videos of you trying to make it as a Starcraft player. Even if you suck and don't get anywhere in six months or a year, you could probably still have a year's worth of adventures to look back on and have a great story to tell.
If you were some kid who didn't have money, I would say you're an idiot, but seeing as you have the money and stability, there is no reason why you shouldn't travel to Korea and go on a crazy adventure.
A thousand times this. Please record your adventures in some medium, because I would love to follow it.
Yeah man. Just start learning korean a bit by bit, and go do it.
I think you should contact EG too. I tried to find their website link but could only find their Twitter and Facebook link.
Hit them up, maybe they'll take you. Edit - found the EG website. Click here.
Maybe you should think about going to the razer house that bitter runs, or the minstry of win. Both those would give you exposure and would be cheaper than renting a place by yourself. (I think moving to Europe would be the better idea).
List your goals of this adventure. What is your primary goal:
Do you want to focus purely on SC2? - Get into a teamhouse because you will be around people who are practicing constantly to motivate you more. However, be careful in choosing where, if you can't communicate with your housemates then that will not be beneficial. Imo, korea would be ideal (they practice a lot, in general) but if you can't speak korean and don't have time to rosetta stone or something to learn then probably not the best idea.
Or, are you just looking to travel/adventure (and play sc2 along the way)? - For this I would simply choose based on country/culture (and if ur doing this in winter, do you like snow?). Go to somewhere you have always wanted to go to or visit, which has internet.
You obviously have put in the thought as to the means (money), so where do you want the end to be?
If you want to be the best, you have to play against the best. They are in Korea most of the time. The problem with going to Korea is the language barrier, and probably some cultural issues. I have noticed several pro's going to Korea to try their luck and improve in skill, then after a while drop off in skill after 6-12 months. It's probably as harder work than what you did for a living.
If you go to the US you will probably have much less cultural issues, but I don't think you will learn as much and I think you will burn out a lot slower. On the other hand, I think you will have a harder time getting to the top 100 players of the world.
On December 21 2012 00:30 fire_brand wrote: If you have the financial stability to do it, do it.
The problem I have when people say they're going to do this is they do it while completely sabotaging the rest of their lives or having no backup plan. You've got the right mentality going into this.
That being said have a full plan. Have a schedule, have benchmarks, have ways to evaluate where you are in terms of your goals. If things aren't working out know when to cut your loses and go back to your day job. Generally people who try this out don't have a plan and end up spinning their tires for months or years not really knowing where they're going, or what they want out of it. If you have clear goals and a comprehensive plan it will be easier to be successful.
In the end no one can force you to live your life in a certain way, or follow a specific path. They can tell you to, or suggest you do something else, but it's all up to you. If this is what you want from life go for it. Just make sure you have the passion to realize it. And if any point it stops being reward or fun, or you're not getting out of it what you want to then have the humility to realize it's not worth it.
On December 20 2012 22:45 Chill wrote: No reason to turn your hobby into your failed career. Just keep doing what you're doing imo.
Keep on doing what you don't enjoy is a good idea? Rather see this as a competitive sabbatical. As long as he has fun doing it, awesome, as soon has he doesn't anymore, he has options. Sounds perfect.
Yea, let's semi-retire at 28. Good idea. That's a good plan for the future.
On December 20 2012 22:45 Chill wrote: No reason to turn your hobby into your failed career. Just keep doing what you're doing imo.
Keep on doing what you don't enjoy is a good idea? Rather see this as a competitive sabbatical. As long as he has fun doing it, awesome, as soon has he doesn't anymore, he has options. Sounds perfect.
Yea, let's semi-retire at 28. Good idea. That's a good plan for the future.
Under the assumption that he's not lying, I don't see the harm in this. He's worked a very in demand and dangerous job and saved up quite a bit of money from it, now he want to chase the dream while he still can. If it doesn't work out, it shouldn't have taken up too much of his life, probably a year, and it'd be pretty unlikely that he couldn't get the job back, although it may be in a different location and he may take a pay cut, still he has years of experience doing it, and I doubt the need will lower within the short time frame he does this. I'm sure he understands all of this, and that it's unlikely that he'll become a top tier progamer, but if he wants to go for it while he still can, his situation is pretty ideal.
Hey guys thanks for all the kind words. Just walked in the door from work. Thanks to this post ive recieved a large number of options and will just have to see how it all turns out.I have started looking around the SEA websites so I can get more involved in LANS here for the time being while trying to chase other options.
To all the hate about spelling I never did well in school(so boring..) there is a reason I have to work on HV lines to make good money
Looks sound to me. It'll be a hell of an adventure either way. After announcing you have money I'd stay the hell away from MoW though, those lads seem at least a tad dodgy. Bitters probably your man if you have to go stateside, but while it's easier to get recognition (and conversation!) over there I get the impression you want to be the real deal, which means at least some time in Korea surely? Plus you can take in some proleague and GSL's... I'm getting envious just thinking about it.
Thankfully there is only about 10000 people around the world qualified to do my job. I can get a work visa in any country in the world and a job at at anytime I like around the world. If it does not work out going back to my job will take about 15-20minutes to organise.
On December 21 2012 12:44 lifeangelus wrote: Hey guys thanks for all the kind words. Just walked in the door from work. Thanks to this post ive recieved a large number of options and will just have to see how it all turns out.I have started looking around the SEA websites so I can get more involved in LANS here for the time being while trying to chase other options.
To all the hate about spelling I never did well in school(so boring..) there is a reason I have to work on HV lines to make good money
Hi, i'm living in the Ministry of Win since the beginning of the project. If you want detailed information about the current state and about what was happening in the past hit me up on TL (already sent you a pm) or add me on skype: wicked-wilko Good luck on your progamer way, i'm in a very similar situation as you, so i would like to talk to you some more in private
I think your best bet is seeking assistance from big community figures. I am not sure how much aware you are of the international SC2 scene, but already in this thread you have attracted some of the most important people, like FrodaN or iNcontroL. I don't know if you simply ignored the post of the latter (he asked how much are you willing to put into it), but that one was not trolling and you should definitely try contacting him. iNcontroL could set you up with EG, which is probably the best thing you can hope for if you intend to train in NA. As far as Korea goes - Artosis is well known for being a huge support for foreigners going there (though I think you should try to achieve good results in international scene before aiming for KR).
Now, I am surprised that only NaNiwa pointed this out in this thread, but 28 is extremely old to go pro. Even world best players, like Boxer, retired at that age. White-Ra is the only one close to that age (he is 32) who still competitively plays, but he is more of a community figure and did not have good results in a long time. Having said that - maybe there aren't any pros that old because noone that age is willing (or can afford to) devote to professional play? If you succeed in going pro and achieve even semi-good results on top world level you will be the first man on earth to do so and your story will be huge in entire eSports. I'm 30 myself and I will be really looking forward to the name 'hammer' popping out. Good luck.
On December 21 2012 12:44 lifeangelus wrote: Hey guys thanks for all the kind words. Just walked in the door from work. Thanks to this post ive recieved a large number of options and will just have to see how it all turns out.I have started looking around the SEA websites so I can get more involved in LANS here for the time being while trying to chase other options.
To all the hate about spelling I never did well in school(so boring..) there is a reason I have to work on HV lines to make good money
I think your best bet is seeking assistance from big community figures. I am not sure how much aware you are of the international SC2 scene, but already in this thread you have attracted some of the most important people, like FrodaN or iNcontroL. I don't know if you simply ignored the post of the latter (he asked how much are you willing to put into it), but that one was not trolling and you should definitely try contacting him. iNcontroL could set you up with EG, which is probably the best thing you can hope for if you intend to train in NA. As far as Korea goes - Artosis is well known for being a huge support for foreigners going there (though I think you should try to achieve good results in international scene before aiming for KR).
Now, I am surprised that only NaNiwa pointed this out in this thread, but 28 is extremely old to go pro. Even world best players, like Boxer, retired at that age. White-Ra is the only one close to that age (he is 32) who still competitively plays, but he is more of a community figure and did not have good results in a long time. Having said that - maybe there aren't any pros that old because noone that age is willing (or can afford to) devote to professional play? If you succeed in going pro and achieve even semi-good results on top world level you will be the first man on earth to do so and your story will be huge in entire eSports. I'm 30 myself and I will be really looking forward to the name 'hammer' popping out. Good luck.
Most people are of the belief old people cant be progamers. I disagree. I think the reason players tail off in their mid to late 20s is they discover things called women. If youve already paid the price so to say and wont have distractions like those completing puberty i say you have an advantage.
I think your best bet is seeking assistance from big community figures. I am not sure how much aware you are of the international SC2 scene, but already in this thread you have attracted some of the most important people, like FrodaN or iNcontroL. I don't know if you simply ignored the post of the latter (he asked how much are you willing to put into it), but that one was not trolling and you should definitely try contacting him. iNcontroL could set you up with EG, which is probably the best thing you can hope for if you intend to train in NA. As far as Korea goes - Artosis is well known for being a huge support for foreigners going there (though I think you should try to achieve good results in international scene before aiming for KR).
Now, I am surprised that only NaNiwa pointed this out in this thread, but 28 is extremely old to go pro. Even world best players, like Boxer, retired at that age. White-Ra is the only one close to that age (he is 32) who still competitively plays, but he is more of a community figure and did not have good results in a long time. Having said that - maybe there aren't any pros that old because noone that age is willing (or can afford to) devote to professional play? If you succeed in going pro and achieve even semi-good results on top world level you will be the first man on earth to do so and your story will be huge in entire eSports. I'm 30 myself and I will be really looking forward to the name 'hammer' popping out. Good luck.
Most people are of the belief old people cant be progamers. I disagree. I think the reason players tail off in their mid to late 20s is they discover things called women. If youve already paid the price so to say and wont have distractions like those completing puberty i say you have an advantage.
Even tough this isn't a helpful advice, I just wanted to say good luck to you and your planned future, I think it's quite awesome what you want to do, since you don't have a black hole to fall in, if it shouldn't work out!
Do what you think will make you HAPPY. That is all that matters in this life. You only live once. Realize that the life of a progamer is probably the exact opposite of happy for the majority of players.
On December 20 2012 17:21 lifeangelus wrote: 200k per year australian dollars. I worked on high voltage electricity and the EMF( electro magnetic field) is said to kill sperm. Hey if it can light an unplugged fluro tube with someone standing on the ground who knows what its doing. Either way I wasnt entirly serious. I have not been checked its just a common thing in my line of work.
Edit: to the post above I have mates in the same field who have accomplished much more then I do. People just need to get themselves out there and look for real work.
Having saved that amount of money I would say, regardless of what you choose to do, you have built yourself a platform to pursue it.
If that is SC2 and you enjoy it, go for it. You won't become a high level player, but if you want a 1+ yr holiday from responsibilities, I would say go for it.
I mean, you have enough to even pay good players to play with you until you get established.
Hi. I don't have any specific advice other than many people live without the pursuit of their dreams, and everyone should. I wish you the best of luck in this journey you are going to take.
If you don't speak Korean you'll have a hard time there I had some problems while living there and according to tests im around 70% fluent Plus you'll only be able to stay for 3 months then need to go to japan and back again to reset your visa but if you got heaps of money I guess thats not a huge deal
You can begin to go in Korea for 3 months, try to practice on korean ladder and see all the events GSL/proleague, it should really nice. Maybe you will get bored with SC2 because there are too much gose there^^
Then you can ask to go in the Millenium house in France around April/May. Marseille is a really nice city on the spring/summer and there are a lot of players from several games in the Millenium house, it should be really fun to live there. And you have french SC2 players like Adelscott, Feast, Dayshi all GM on EU ladder and by moments other players of the team like ForGG and Goswer. And there are a lot of events in europe, small LAN,... where you can perform well if you manage to be on GM level
Very cool, I have done this same thing, however, Im just gonna play from home since Im already in the US. Maybe a team will scout me if not I still have a budding music career haha. Very cool tho for sure!
The only advice that comes to my mind after reading the OP as expanded is that if you are looking to really practice, and really push yourself to be a professional competitor, you should look at Korea seriously.
Everything else looks solid (although I have to say never to rely too much on the value of real estate), you're not hurting yourself as long as you pay a little attention to your finances, and you're in a better place than a lot of people. If you have the means, and you want to pursue it, good luck.
I think your best bet is seeking assistance from big community figures. I am not sure how much aware you are of the international SC2 scene, but already in this thread you have attracted some of the most important people, like FrodaN or iNcontroL. I don't know if you simply ignored the post of the latter (he asked how much are you willing to put into it), but that one was not trolling and you should definitely try contacting him. iNcontroL could set you up with EG, which is probably the best thing you can hope for if you intend to train in NA. As far as Korea goes - Artosis is well known for being a huge support for foreigners going there (though I think you should try to achieve good results in international scene before aiming for KR).
Now, I am surprised that only NaNiwa pointed this out in this thread, but 28 is extremely old to go pro. Even world best players, like Boxer, retired at that age. White-Ra is the only one close to that age (he is 32) who still competitively plays, but he is more of a community figure and did not have good results in a long time. Having said that - maybe there aren't any pros that old because noone that age is willing (or can afford to) devote to professional play? If you succeed in going pro and achieve even semi-good results on top world level you will be the first man on earth to do so and your story will be huge in entire eSports. I'm 30 myself and I will be really looking forward to the name 'hammer' popping out. Good luck.
White-Ra has had success in WoL and even won a few tournaments and placed highly in others. Not as much lately but he is still a top level protoss in EU. You also forgot to mention Nestea, who is pushing 30, who has won 3 GSL championships. Until there is a scientific study done that shows that you cannot be a "progamer" past your mid 20s, then by all means let TC do what he wants. Just because there are only a handful of pros in their late 20s doesn't mean its impossible. In reality it's more likely because pro gaming has exploded in the past few years (in the Western scene not Korea). Generally people in their mid to late 20s already have careers and families that would prevent them from going after something like this. I truly believe that within the next 10 years or so we will have a lot more pros who are in their late 20s, etc and still playing full time and doing well for themselves, because it is such a young scene.
On December 20 2012 14:52 lifeangelus wrote: I have entered a heap of online australian and american tournaments. I stoped the aussie ones cause there is only a couple of good players so I stuck with all the american ones. Not here trying to show me e-peen off just trying to see what sort of options are out there.
Am I the only one concerned here that he can say this yet not know what sc2sea is? or that he has said he is (or was?) GM on SEA yet there is no one aliased as 'Hammer' in SEA GM League.
On December 20 2012 14:52 lifeangelus wrote: I have entered a heap of online australian and american tournaments. I stoped the aussie ones cause there is only a couple of good players so I stuck with all the american ones. Not here trying to show me e-peen off just trying to see what sort of options are out there.
Am I the only one concerned here that he can say this yet not know what sc2sea is? or that he has said he is (or was?) GM on SEA yet there is no one aliased as 'Hammer' in SEA GM League.
Yes you are the only one. Focus on what the OP is asking and stop being so negative
On December 20 2012 14:52 lifeangelus wrote: I have entered a heap of online australian and american tournaments. I stoped the aussie ones cause there is only a couple of good players so I stuck with all the american ones. Not here trying to show me e-peen off just trying to see what sort of options are out there.
Am I the only one concerned here that he can say this yet not know what sc2sea is? or that he has said he is (or was?) GM on SEA yet there is no one aliased as 'Hammer' in SEA GM League.
Yes you are the only one. Focus on what the OP is asking and stop being so negative
It's true, I was entering a ton of SEA tournaments without knowing what sc2sea is. It's just a forum where they mostly rehash other sites announcements, no real announcements from them.
On December 22 2012 14:06 Roe wrote: what the heck job did you get that pays 200k a year, when you're only 28?
He has it in the OP
Wasn't really clear in the OP, but I figure he works as a repairman for the electrical towers from his other posts. Blows my mind you could make that much money for a job like that.
On December 22 2012 14:06 Roe wrote: what the heck job did you get that pays 200k a year, when you're only 28?
I don't know for sure, but based on what he said, it seemed he was an electrician, but that he was also qualified to work with 330000a (which I imagine is the amp or voltage related to the work he's in). And because the specific field is so dangerous, the pay is very good and that's because so few people actually qualify to work with that high energy.
G,day Mate, Have a chat to MoonGlade. He goes all over the place playing and training. Young pro-gamers retire for many reasons. Want to pursue their chosen career, etc. It's hard to keep the edge needed to stay on top. I think a mature mind is needed to seek out the really good strategies needed to be very special in SC2. NOT just practice alone or APM. This is why 18 yo's aren't generals. Also. With the near release of HoTS. The pro-gamers have to learn new strategies and the new units. This gives new players a chance to become very good as they are not stuck in the old ruts. (Husky even said so in a recent video). However, you never said you wanted to play pro and just play with pro players. If your on the level.. Give them the shock treatment.