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On December 30 2012 10:36 Unfortunate wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2012 10:28 Solarsail wrote:On December 30 2012 09:34 Cel.erity wrote: I don't know a lot about this situation, but this "press release" seems very unprofessional. You can't seek to appease thousands of fans by calling two of your employees "incompetent" within the first paragraph. The rest of it reads like a teenage girl's whiny blog entry, pleading for approval. If you want to be seen as a professional organization, you should really keep the personal feelings out of it. Professional statement -> people accuse it of being fluff Gory details -> people accuse it of being unprofessional I thought the statement was direct and informative, but also very late (they allowed the drama to snowball) and doesn't excuse them of actually needing to fix those things. MoW, I hope you succeed. You know what the problem is, is that people need sleep. Sometimes you wake up to these things, can't be awake 24/7 you know =(
They slept in since December 24th? Wow.
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On December 30 2012 08:16 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2012 08:00 MinistryOfWin wrote:On December 30 2012 07:45 Bippzy wrote: Honestly i am impressed. As far as chess analogies go, mow is disadvantaged according to theory, but they are no means out from the game. They said they didnt pay employees thatdidnt do work(good) and their payment is delayed(esports standard). They denied allegations about the manager being really lame and then refocused on their goal and relative success.
In order to refute this, you have to get the parents to deny their failure to work and get players to go at odds with MOW that they are liars. Otherwise, as long as players are still in the house and mow has such good pr, ill assume the house is decent for its purpose and progamers gossip so im sure its nottoo bad. You know, "the Boss" is me. I'm the one who invented this project and is in here from the beginning. I can take everything bad on me that happened, and I will still try to improve this. It's not fluff in the statement, with every defeat we gain more experience. I am pretty sure that the idea is amazing, the execution may not be that well, but the most important thing is that (I guess) noone that do something that he loves is trying to hurt it. We're not trying to hurt e-sports. We were working very hard and we are going to do that even harder. I am pretty amazed by the incontrol's post, I am going to contact you within the next few days. We are all building e-sports. The community, players, all the people. Let's keep it up and create something special, because... we can. Destroying is not the way. Regards, Maciej by "defeat" you mean "shafting people" common mistake. Not to mention refusing to pay people n stuff. Oh and most of all they have issues feeding their players who stay at the house. Sandwhich a day keeps the doctor away......
MoW is a complete joke and I feel nothing but pity for anyone who goes there.
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I've seen so many bad things about MoW, I am not even surprised anymore. Kind of like Major leaving teams.
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Very bad grammar in the, "press release".
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Don't see what the point is of discounting MoW entirely and banishing them from the community like it seems a lot of the knee-jerk reactions in this thread want to do. They haven't committed a mortal sin that they can't be forgiven for. The bottom line is that the players are staying there and improving. For the community to get involved in details like employee pay (when it's apparently a common form of contract in Poland to make payment conditional) and food for god's sakes is not necessary. And to be honest it's really silly for desrow and these employees to post on TL about it...like why does the public need to get involved in this. I honestly don't give a flying fuck about MoW's cooks or food. I wish MoW success and improvement in the future and I'm confident it will happen.
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Ministry of Win failing to impress once again. This is really disappointing.
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Well atleast there's no cats this time amirite?
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The thing that really took this "press release" to a new level of "fucked up" was the email that the OP left as means of contact, and the fact that the "press release" is on their server as PDF format, not as an HTML pager or as a post on TL.Net but as an actual PDF.
Also it was amazing to hear that you guys hired a family to cook and clean, it was even more fun to read how incompetent they were at doing it.
I would do a summary or say something funny but I can't for the life of me think of anything since I'm that stunned over how bad this "press release" was.
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its easy to say " we are improving and we are working on our mistakes" but in the end nothing changes.
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I still believe MoW has had only good intentions from the start. gl in 2013.
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On December 30 2012 12:17 Integra wrote: The thing that really took this "press release" to a new level of "fucked up" was the email that the OP left as means of contact, and the fact that the "press release" is on their server as PDF format, not as an HTML pager or as a post on TL.Net but as an actual PDF.
Also it was amazing to hear that you guys hired a family to cook and clean, it was even more fun to read how incompetent they were at doing it.
I would do a summary or say something funny but I can't for the life of me think of anything since I'm that stunned over how bad this "press release" was.
You're being overdramatic. An email and a PDF do not make things "a whole new level of fucked up" lol.
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I know players have been going to MoW because it seems attractive but it seems like there needs to be a little more transparency and accountability in order for it to work. Hopefully 2013 will be a better year. Otherwise, MoW might just go by the wayside.
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On December 30 2012 12:17 Integra wrote: The thing that really took this "press release" to a new level of "fucked up" was the email that the OP left as means of contact, and the fact that the "press release" is on their server as PDF format, not as an HTML pager or as a post on TL.Net but as an actual PDF.
Also it was amazing to hear that you guys hired a family to cook and clean, it was even more fun to read how incompetent they were at doing it.
I would do a summary or say something funny but I can't for the life of me think of anything since I'm that stunned over how bad this "press release" was.
I have no idea how the email the OP left as a contact was fucked up (I'd assumed it was a pseudonym, like nearly all pros in the scene use, as well as many of the support staff). Looked like person@theirwebsite.com to me, which seems pretty reasonable.
I also don't know how the pdf was fucked up. How the message is given only really affects how many people will read it. If their site is going to be down for the foreseeable future, it also provides them somewhere to point other reputable news organizations to.
Their incompetence at their job has everything to do with why they are no longer doing that job, I don't understand why everyone is so offended by that. I was under the impression that English was not the poster's first language, and not everywhere has the same ideas on what each word means, and uses them differently. If I say someone was incompetent at their job, that means they sucked at it. Would you rather I say "they were incredibly bad at the jobs we tasked them to do"? That means pretty much the same thing.
I think you, like many other people in this thread, are being hard on MoW for reasons that are exaggerated for drama.
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On December 30 2012 12:43 Noobity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2012 12:17 Integra wrote: The thing that really took this "press release" to a new level of "fucked up" was the email that the OP left as means of contact, and the fact that the "press release" is on their server as PDF format, not as an HTML pager or as a post on TL.Net but as an actual PDF.
Also it was amazing to hear that you guys hired a family to cook and clean, it was even more fun to read how incompetent they were at doing it.
I would do a summary or say something funny but I can't for the life of me think of anything since I'm that stunned over how bad this "press release" was.
Their incompetence at their job has everything to do with why they are no longer doing that job, I don't understand why everyone is so offended by that. I was under the impression that English was not the poster's first language, and not everywhere has the same ideas on what each word means, and uses them differently. If I say someone was incompetent at their job, that means they sucked at it. Would you rather I say "they were incredibly bad at the jobs we tasked them to do"? That means pretty much the same thing. I think you, like many other people in this thread, are being hard on MoW for reasons that are exaggerated for drama.
You may be right, but it still sounds bad. "I'm sorry about all this drama, by the way our employees were incompetent."
A much better way to phrase it would be: "Pay arrangements are still being discussed with the employees we dismissed, since they did not uphold their responsibilities." And that's just a sentence I came up with out of my ass. Think of what MoW could have spun if they had put some time into it.
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I don't get one thing. As far as I know, Oliv's parents were responsible for the food. So, I assume they've worked there since the very beginning. If they failed to fulfill their duties, they should've been fired long time ago.
What we see here is either sheer incompetence of the "boss" or he's just trying to rip people off(or a mix of both). You don't go into GSL when u're bronze, u first grind 10.000 games and get to GM.
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On December 30 2012 13:13 Tommyth wrote: I don't get one thing. As far as I know, Oliv's parents were responsible for the food. So, I assume they've worked there since the very beginning. If they failed to fulfill their duties, they should've been fired long time ago.
What we see here is either sheer incompetence of the "boss" or he's just trying to rip people off(or a mix of both). You don't go into GSL when u're bronze, u first grind 10.000 games and get to GM.
Everyone starts somewhere, and people learn different things from different mistakes. It's also considerably harder to let someone go if you'd hired them as a favor to someone else in the first place (I'm assuming the hiring of Oliv's parents was either a favor or just a thing of convenience). If my girlfriend's father asked me for a job and he sucked at it, it would be harder for me to get rid of him than to just deal with him sucking. If I'd previously hired my friend's brother and he sucked at his job, I'd have known to either not hire the father in the first place, or had experience in getting rid of someone that I'd need to deal with outside of work previously. Who's to say he's ever hired a friend of a friend before? Who's to say they didn't have great credentials and then end up flaking? There's plenty of other parts to the story that we will never know, and we don't need to assume that the MoW organization was a dick about it from the start.
And yeah, that's a better phrase to use, sure, but understand the cultural and language barriers and don't go ape shit over an accurate (albeit mean) way to say something is all I'm saying.
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On December 30 2012 05:52 IdrA wrote: seems legit.
I lol'd.
These guys have no more chances from me.
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On December 30 2012 13:50 Noobity wrote:
Everyone starts somewhere, and people learn different things from different mistakes. .
I agree, but so far it seems like this enterprise is too much for Him to handle. Again, there is nothing wrong with that, but failing at such a huge thing can be very costly. That's why people usually start with smaller tasks to gain experience, and then slowly move further. I of course hope that MoW will somehow get back on legs and build good reputation, as it will be beneficial for whole community.
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On December 30 2012 05:38 True_Spike wrote: I do hope that they will finally invest in proper staff (people who are actually qualified for the job rather than just being friends with whoever is running the project). If a manager hires someone because they're friends and the friend isn't qualified for the job, then why would the manager be qualified for their job? I just don't see how anyone can expect them to do a better job the next time without massive, internal retooling. The smoke is just what's visible from the outside, the fire on the inside is the problem.
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First thing i don't get is, why put the explanation on a pdf file?
I don't have anything against MoW, i hope they can do something that makes them look less...idiotic?
Anyway, Gl Hf and i hope u get aid* with ure new project. *s
;D
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