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On January 02 2013 06:44 decado90 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2013 06:37 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On January 02 2013 04:14 decado90 wrote:On January 02 2013 03:46 Mohdoo wrote: A lot of people in this thread are forgetting that Stephano has a coach now. And Stephano is pretty much the front-lines of hype for EG, especially pertaining to proleague/GSL. The coach will likely be spending most of his time preparing Stephano for his matches. Taeja and Hero are both better than Stephano, but they aren't nearly the best players in Proleague. Taeja has done well, but Hero isn't even the best Hero. People tend to think he'll do well in the all kill rounds, but I disagree. His ZvZ is not up to par, he's unfamiliar with the maps, and the shear amount of talent he'll be going up against is unlike anything he's seen. Despite Fionn's "questionable" power ranking that listed EG-TL as the #1 team in PL, I think most rational people placed EG-TL in their proper place-- a mid tier team carried by a couple players. - Taeja is easily one of the best in the league. He's won every game he's played except his most recent against Rain. - Stephano has been going up against equal or better Koreans throughout his career and half the maps are familiar. - EG-TL might not deserve the #1 spot, but they're a bit better than mid-tier. - Nope, lost to Cj Hero. - No, he hasn't. - EG-TL is 3-4. What tier is that exactly?
But 3-4 doesn't tell the whole story. Every match they lost sans the opening match was in the ace match. They just as easily could have gone 6-1 as they did 3-4 or any combination of them. I definitely don't think its fair to call EG-TL mid tier.
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He will lose. He plays 2-3 day tournaments and has never learned how to study a player and prepare, he plays a very solid safe style that doesnt change much from player to player. Koreans will recognize this and adapt, as they have very much experience studying players for a week and crafting builds to dispose of them.
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Well, this thread has very quickly derailed into SC2/Stephano bashing. I simply hope there's a foreigner that can compete at the highest of levels, it certainly makes everything more interesting and is definitely better for the esports scene as a whole. There's no way to tell how well any player will do, and I for one wouldn't wish for a certain player to do poorly for any reason. That just makes no sense.
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On January 02 2013 06:51 chipmonklord17 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2013 06:44 decado90 wrote:On January 02 2013 06:37 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On January 02 2013 04:14 decado90 wrote:On January 02 2013 03:46 Mohdoo wrote: A lot of people in this thread are forgetting that Stephano has a coach now. And Stephano is pretty much the front-lines of hype for EG, especially pertaining to proleague/GSL. The coach will likely be spending most of his time preparing Stephano for his matches. Taeja and Hero are both better than Stephano, but they aren't nearly the best players in Proleague. Taeja has done well, but Hero isn't even the best Hero. People tend to think he'll do well in the all kill rounds, but I disagree. His ZvZ is not up to par, he's unfamiliar with the maps, and the shear amount of talent he'll be going up against is unlike anything he's seen. Despite Fionn's "questionable" power ranking that listed EG-TL as the #1 team in PL, I think most rational people placed EG-TL in their proper place-- a mid tier team carried by a couple players. - Taeja is easily one of the best in the league. He's won every game he's played except his most recent against Rain. - Stephano has been going up against equal or better Koreans throughout his career and half the maps are familiar. - EG-TL might not deserve the #1 spot, but they're a bit better than mid-tier. - Nope, lost to Cj Hero. - No, he hasn't. - EG-TL is 3-4. What tier is that exactly? But 3-4 doesn't tell the whole story. Every match they lost sans the opening match was in the ace match. They just as easily could have gone 6-1 as they did 3-4 or any combination of them. I definitely don't think its fair to call EG-TL mid tier. Don't bother. He has a very weird conception of skill levels.
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On January 02 2013 10:43 StarVe wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2013 06:51 chipmonklord17 wrote:On January 02 2013 06:44 decado90 wrote:On January 02 2013 06:37 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On January 02 2013 04:14 decado90 wrote:On January 02 2013 03:46 Mohdoo wrote: A lot of people in this thread are forgetting that Stephano has a coach now. And Stephano is pretty much the front-lines of hype for EG, especially pertaining to proleague/GSL. The coach will likely be spending most of his time preparing Stephano for his matches. Taeja and Hero are both better than Stephano, but they aren't nearly the best players in Proleague. Taeja has done well, but Hero isn't even the best Hero. People tend to think he'll do well in the all kill rounds, but I disagree. His ZvZ is not up to par, he's unfamiliar with the maps, and the shear amount of talent he'll be going up against is unlike anything he's seen. Despite Fionn's "questionable" power ranking that listed EG-TL as the #1 team in PL, I think most rational people placed EG-TL in their proper place-- a mid tier team carried by a couple players. - Taeja is easily one of the best in the league. He's won every game he's played except his most recent against Rain. - Stephano has been going up against equal or better Koreans throughout his career and half the maps are familiar. - EG-TL might not deserve the #1 spot, but they're a bit better than mid-tier. - Nope, lost to Cj Hero. - No, he hasn't. - EG-TL is 3-4. What tier is that exactly? But 3-4 doesn't tell the whole story. Every match they lost sans the opening match was in the ace match. They just as easily could have gone 6-1 as they did 3-4 or any combination of them. I definitely don't think its fair to call EG-TL mid tier. Don't bother. He has a very weird conception of skill levels.
A team that goes to 7 games against every other team in the league sounds like the exact definition of mid-tier to me.
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On January 02 2013 11:21 Cel.erity wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2013 10:43 StarVe wrote:On January 02 2013 06:51 chipmonklord17 wrote:On January 02 2013 06:44 decado90 wrote:On January 02 2013 06:37 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On January 02 2013 04:14 decado90 wrote:On January 02 2013 03:46 Mohdoo wrote: A lot of people in this thread are forgetting that Stephano has a coach now. And Stephano is pretty much the front-lines of hype for EG, especially pertaining to proleague/GSL. The coach will likely be spending most of his time preparing Stephano for his matches. Taeja and Hero are both better than Stephano, but they aren't nearly the best players in Proleague. Taeja has done well, but Hero isn't even the best Hero. People tend to think he'll do well in the all kill rounds, but I disagree. His ZvZ is not up to par, he's unfamiliar with the maps, and the shear amount of talent he'll be going up against is unlike anything he's seen. Despite Fionn's "questionable" power ranking that listed EG-TL as the #1 team in PL, I think most rational people placed EG-TL in their proper place-- a mid tier team carried by a couple players. - Taeja is easily one of the best in the league. He's won every game he's played except his most recent against Rain. - Stephano has been going up against equal or better Koreans throughout his career and half the maps are familiar. - EG-TL might not deserve the #1 spot, but they're a bit better than mid-tier. - Nope, lost to Cj Hero. - No, he hasn't. - EG-TL is 3-4. What tier is that exactly? But 3-4 doesn't tell the whole story. Every match they lost sans the opening match was in the ace match. They just as easily could have gone 6-1 as they did 3-4 or any combination of them. I definitely don't think its fair to call EG-TL mid tier. Don't bother. He has a very weird conception of skill levels. A team that goes to 7 games against every other team in the league sounds like the exact definition of mid-tier to me. In this case yes. Although I think a full strength EGTL with Taeja/HerO/Stephano/JYP/Jaedong is above mid-tier in PL. I was more referring to him in general, he made some very debatable arguments in the foreigner ranking thread for example.
Also, he makes disgusting posts on reddit if he didn't decide to take the username of a terrible poster on reddit and use it on TL himself.
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On January 02 2013 06:51 chipmonklord17 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2013 06:44 decado90 wrote:On January 02 2013 06:37 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On January 02 2013 04:14 decado90 wrote:On January 02 2013 03:46 Mohdoo wrote: A lot of people in this thread are forgetting that Stephano has a coach now. And Stephano is pretty much the front-lines of hype for EG, especially pertaining to proleague/GSL. The coach will likely be spending most of his time preparing Stephano for his matches. Taeja and Hero are both better than Stephano, but they aren't nearly the best players in Proleague. Taeja has done well, but Hero isn't even the best Hero. People tend to think he'll do well in the all kill rounds, but I disagree. His ZvZ is not up to par, he's unfamiliar with the maps, and the shear amount of talent he'll be going up against is unlike anything he's seen. Despite Fionn's "questionable" power ranking that listed EG-TL as the #1 team in PL, I think most rational people placed EG-TL in their proper place-- a mid tier team carried by a couple players. - Taeja is easily one of the best in the league. He's won every game he's played except his most recent against Rain. - Stephano has been going up against equal or better Koreans throughout his career and half the maps are familiar. - EG-TL might not deserve the #1 spot, but they're a bit better than mid-tier. - Nope, lost to Cj Hero. - No, he hasn't. - EG-TL is 3-4. What tier is that exactly? But 3-4 doesn't tell the whole story. Every match they lost sans the opening match was in the ace match. They just as easily could have gone 6-1 as they did 3-4 or any combination of them. I definitely don't think its fair to call EG-TL mid tier.
Yes, have to agree with you here. + Show Spoiler +EG-TL is not mid tier, they are lower tier.
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On January 01 2013 07:16 Waxangel wrote: he'll be fine
Couldn't have said it better myself. Welcome to the TaeJa, JYP, JD and HerO line Stephano. Going fifty percent in pro league isn't a bad thing boys. It means you belong.
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On January 02 2013 03:57 cutler wrote: yeah fanboyism about an player who doesnt care at all...SC2 Threads like these seem to be the reason why TL trying to reanimate SCBW with an Tournament...Come on people...
you can reanimate only what is dead. Foreign bw is stilla live though, thank you
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On January 02 2013 11:34 Cele wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2013 03:57 cutler wrote: yeah fanboyism about an player who doesnt care at all...SC2 Threads like these seem to be the reason why TL trying to reanimate SCBW with an Tournament...Come on people... you can reanimate only what is dead. Foreign bw is stilla live though, thank you
Sonic and the Fish server is doing fine as well man.
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His mechanics are almost flawless. micro amazing one one the best micro zerg. decision making is great. what he alck is practice and i bet hes gonna have to practice alot in korea. i hope best for him. he be an asset in SPL i feel it.
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On January 02 2013 10:19 SpacemanG wrote: Well, this thread has very quickly derailed into SC2/Stephano bashing. I simply hope there's a foreigner that can compete at the highest of levels, it certainly makes everything more interesting and is definitely better for the esports scene as a whole. There's no way to tell how well any player will do, and I for one wouldn't wish for a certain player to do poorly for any reason. That just makes no sense.
Then you should have made your thread about it. The title would have made a LOT more sense if it was regarding all foreigners vs the koreans.
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On January 02 2013 11:33 tiMelEfT wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2013 06:51 chipmonklord17 wrote:On January 02 2013 06:44 decado90 wrote:On January 02 2013 06:37 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On January 02 2013 04:14 decado90 wrote:On January 02 2013 03:46 Mohdoo wrote: A lot of people in this thread are forgetting that Stephano has a coach now. And Stephano is pretty much the front-lines of hype for EG, especially pertaining to proleague/GSL. The coach will likely be spending most of his time preparing Stephano for his matches. Taeja and Hero are both better than Stephano, but they aren't nearly the best players in Proleague. Taeja has done well, but Hero isn't even the best Hero. People tend to think he'll do well in the all kill rounds, but I disagree. His ZvZ is not up to par, he's unfamiliar with the maps, and the shear amount of talent he'll be going up against is unlike anything he's seen. Despite Fionn's "questionable" power ranking that listed EG-TL as the #1 team in PL, I think most rational people placed EG-TL in their proper place-- a mid tier team carried by a couple players. - Taeja is easily one of the best in the league. He's won every game he's played except his most recent against Rain. - Stephano has been going up against equal or better Koreans throughout his career and half the maps are familiar. - EG-TL might not deserve the #1 spot, but they're a bit better than mid-tier. - Nope, lost to Cj Hero. - No, he hasn't. - EG-TL is 3-4. What tier is that exactly? But 3-4 doesn't tell the whole story. Every match they lost sans the opening match was in the ace match. They just as easily could have gone 6-1 as they did 3-4 or any combination of them. I definitely don't think its fair to call EG-TL mid tier. Yes, have to agree with you here. + Show Spoiler +EG-TL is not mid tier, they are lower tier.
I'd love to hear your thoughts on STX/CJ/8th/Khan then
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On January 02 2013 12:53 chipmonklord17 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2013 11:33 tiMelEfT wrote:On January 02 2013 06:51 chipmonklord17 wrote:On January 02 2013 06:44 decado90 wrote:On January 02 2013 06:37 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On January 02 2013 04:14 decado90 wrote:On January 02 2013 03:46 Mohdoo wrote: A lot of people in this thread are forgetting that Stephano has a coach now. And Stephano is pretty much the front-lines of hype for EG, especially pertaining to proleague/GSL. The coach will likely be spending most of his time preparing Stephano for his matches. Taeja and Hero are both better than Stephano, but they aren't nearly the best players in Proleague. Taeja has done well, but Hero isn't even the best Hero. People tend to think he'll do well in the all kill rounds, but I disagree. His ZvZ is not up to par, he's unfamiliar with the maps, and the shear amount of talent he'll be going up against is unlike anything he's seen. Despite Fionn's "questionable" power ranking that listed EG-TL as the #1 team in PL, I think most rational people placed EG-TL in their proper place-- a mid tier team carried by a couple players. - Taeja is easily one of the best in the league. He's won every game he's played except his most recent against Rain. - Stephano has been going up against equal or better Koreans throughout his career and half the maps are familiar. - EG-TL might not deserve the #1 spot, but they're a bit better than mid-tier. - Nope, lost to Cj Hero. - No, he hasn't. - EG-TL is 3-4. What tier is that exactly? But 3-4 doesn't tell the whole story. Every match they lost sans the opening match was in the ace match. They just as easily could have gone 6-1 as they did 3-4 or any combination of them. I definitely don't think its fair to call EG-TL mid tier. Yes, have to agree with you here. + Show Spoiler +EG-TL is not mid tier, they are lower tier. I'd love to hear your thoughts on STX/CJ/8th/Khan then
OK, as you wish. STX, CJ, 8th team are better than EG-TL, Khan is not atm.
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As always, Stephano is by far the best foreigner out there, and can give many Koreans a run for their money, but he's still overrated, purely because he's a foreigner, automatically getting him obnoxious amounts of hype. He'll definitely get better in Korea if he dedicates himself, but it's not like he's instantly going to win a GSL.
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On January 02 2013 13:01 tiMelEfT wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2013 12:53 chipmonklord17 wrote:On January 02 2013 11:33 tiMelEfT wrote:On January 02 2013 06:51 chipmonklord17 wrote:On January 02 2013 06:44 decado90 wrote:On January 02 2013 06:37 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On January 02 2013 04:14 decado90 wrote:On January 02 2013 03:46 Mohdoo wrote: A lot of people in this thread are forgetting that Stephano has a coach now. And Stephano is pretty much the front-lines of hype for EG, especially pertaining to proleague/GSL. The coach will likely be spending most of his time preparing Stephano for his matches. Taeja and Hero are both better than Stephano, but they aren't nearly the best players in Proleague. Taeja has done well, but Hero isn't even the best Hero. People tend to think he'll do well in the all kill rounds, but I disagree. His ZvZ is not up to par, he's unfamiliar with the maps, and the shear amount of talent he'll be going up against is unlike anything he's seen. Despite Fionn's "questionable" power ranking that listed EG-TL as the #1 team in PL, I think most rational people placed EG-TL in their proper place-- a mid tier team carried by a couple players. - Taeja is easily one of the best in the league. He's won every game he's played except his most recent against Rain. - Stephano has been going up against equal or better Koreans throughout his career and half the maps are familiar. - EG-TL might not deserve the #1 spot, but they're a bit better than mid-tier. - Nope, lost to Cj Hero. - No, he hasn't. - EG-TL is 3-4. What tier is that exactly? But 3-4 doesn't tell the whole story. Every match they lost sans the opening match was in the ace match. They just as easily could have gone 6-1 as they did 3-4 or any combination of them. I definitely don't think its fair to call EG-TL mid tier. Yes, have to agree with you here. + Show Spoiler +EG-TL is not mid tier, they are lower tier. I'd love to hear your thoughts on STX/CJ/8th/Khan then OK, as you wish. STX, CJ, 8th team are better than EG-TL, Khan is not atm. How did you come to that conclusion?
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On January 02 2013 13:08 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2013 13:01 tiMelEfT wrote:On January 02 2013 12:53 chipmonklord17 wrote:On January 02 2013 11:33 tiMelEfT wrote:On January 02 2013 06:51 chipmonklord17 wrote:On January 02 2013 06:44 decado90 wrote:On January 02 2013 06:37 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On January 02 2013 04:14 decado90 wrote:On January 02 2013 03:46 Mohdoo wrote: A lot of people in this thread are forgetting that Stephano has a coach now. And Stephano is pretty much the front-lines of hype for EG, especially pertaining to proleague/GSL. The coach will likely be spending most of his time preparing Stephano for his matches. Taeja and Hero are both better than Stephano, but they aren't nearly the best players in Proleague. Taeja has done well, but Hero isn't even the best Hero. People tend to think he'll do well in the all kill rounds, but I disagree. His ZvZ is not up to par, he's unfamiliar with the maps, and the shear amount of talent he'll be going up against is unlike anything he's seen. Despite Fionn's "questionable" power ranking that listed EG-TL as the #1 team in PL, I think most rational people placed EG-TL in their proper place-- a mid tier team carried by a couple players. - Taeja is easily one of the best in the league. He's won every game he's played except his most recent against Rain. - Stephano has been going up against equal or better Koreans throughout his career and half the maps are familiar. - EG-TL might not deserve the #1 spot, but they're a bit better than mid-tier. - Nope, lost to Cj Hero. - No, he hasn't. - EG-TL is 3-4. What tier is that exactly? But 3-4 doesn't tell the whole story. Every match they lost sans the opening match was in the ace match. They just as easily could have gone 6-1 as they did 3-4 or any combination of them. I definitely don't think its fair to call EG-TL mid tier. Yes, have to agree with you here. + Show Spoiler +EG-TL is not mid tier, they are lower tier. I'd love to hear your thoughts on STX/CJ/8th/Khan then OK, as you wish. STX, CJ, 8th team are better than EG-TL, Khan is not atm. How did you come to that conclusion?
You need to learn yourself, can't teach you everything.
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On January 02 2013 13:10 tiMelEfT wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2013 13:08 bo1b wrote:On January 02 2013 13:01 tiMelEfT wrote:On January 02 2013 12:53 chipmonklord17 wrote:On January 02 2013 11:33 tiMelEfT wrote:On January 02 2013 06:51 chipmonklord17 wrote:On January 02 2013 06:44 decado90 wrote:On January 02 2013 06:37 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On January 02 2013 04:14 decado90 wrote:On January 02 2013 03:46 Mohdoo wrote: A lot of people in this thread are forgetting that Stephano has a coach now. And Stephano is pretty much the front-lines of hype for EG, especially pertaining to proleague/GSL. The coach will likely be spending most of his time preparing Stephano for his matches. Taeja and Hero are both better than Stephano, but they aren't nearly the best players in Proleague. Taeja has done well, but Hero isn't even the best Hero. People tend to think he'll do well in the all kill rounds, but I disagree. His ZvZ is not up to par, he's unfamiliar with the maps, and the shear amount of talent he'll be going up against is unlike anything he's seen. Despite Fionn's "questionable" power ranking that listed EG-TL as the #1 team in PL, I think most rational people placed EG-TL in their proper place-- a mid tier team carried by a couple players. - Taeja is easily one of the best in the league. He's won every game he's played except his most recent against Rain. - Stephano has been going up against equal or better Koreans throughout his career and half the maps are familiar. - EG-TL might not deserve the #1 spot, but they're a bit better than mid-tier. - Nope, lost to Cj Hero. - No, he hasn't. - EG-TL is 3-4. What tier is that exactly? But 3-4 doesn't tell the whole story. Every match they lost sans the opening match was in the ace match. They just as easily could have gone 6-1 as they did 3-4 or any combination of them. I definitely don't think its fair to call EG-TL mid tier. Yes, have to agree with you here. + Show Spoiler +EG-TL is not mid tier, they are lower tier. I'd love to hear your thoughts on STX/CJ/8th/Khan then OK, as you wish. STX, CJ, 8th team are better than EG-TL, Khan is not atm. How did you come to that conclusion? You need to learn yourself, can't teach you everything. So you don't actually have a reason. I agree, the teams doing worse in every way are better.
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On January 02 2013 13:11 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2013 13:10 tiMelEfT wrote:On January 02 2013 13:08 bo1b wrote:On January 02 2013 13:01 tiMelEfT wrote:On January 02 2013 12:53 chipmonklord17 wrote:On January 02 2013 11:33 tiMelEfT wrote:On January 02 2013 06:51 chipmonklord17 wrote:On January 02 2013 06:44 decado90 wrote:On January 02 2013 06:37 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On January 02 2013 04:14 decado90 wrote: [quote]
Taeja and Hero are both better than Stephano, but they aren't nearly the best players in Proleague. Taeja has done well, but Hero isn't even the best Hero.
People tend to think he'll do well in the all kill rounds, but I disagree. His ZvZ is not up to par, he's unfamiliar with the maps, and the shear amount of talent he'll be going up against is unlike anything he's seen.
Despite Fionn's "questionable" power ranking that listed EG-TL as the #1 team in PL, I think most rational people placed EG-TL in their proper place-- a mid tier team carried by a couple players. - Taeja is easily one of the best in the league. He's won every game he's played except his most recent against Rain. - Stephano has been going up against equal or better Koreans throughout his career and half the maps are familiar. - EG-TL might not deserve the #1 spot, but they're a bit better than mid-tier. - Nope, lost to Cj Hero. - No, he hasn't. - EG-TL is 3-4. What tier is that exactly? But 3-4 doesn't tell the whole story. Every match they lost sans the opening match was in the ace match. They just as easily could have gone 6-1 as they did 3-4 or any combination of them. I definitely don't think its fair to call EG-TL mid tier. Yes, have to agree with you here. + Show Spoiler +EG-TL is not mid tier, they are lower tier. I'd love to hear your thoughts on STX/CJ/8th/Khan then OK, as you wish. STX, CJ, 8th team are better than EG-TL, Khan is not atm. How did you come to that conclusion? You need to learn yourself, can't teach you everything. So you don't actually have a reason. I agree, the teams doing worse in every way are better.
It's called rational thinking. They have the superior players and are much deeper teams.
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