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On January 02 2013 13:11 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2013 13:10 tiMelEfT wrote:On January 02 2013 13:08 bo1b wrote:On January 02 2013 13:01 tiMelEfT wrote:On January 02 2013 12:53 chipmonklord17 wrote:On January 02 2013 11:33 tiMelEfT wrote:On January 02 2013 06:51 chipmonklord17 wrote:On January 02 2013 06:44 decado90 wrote:On January 02 2013 06:37 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On January 02 2013 04:14 decado90 wrote: [quote]
Taeja and Hero are both better than Stephano, but they aren't nearly the best players in Proleague. Taeja has done well, but Hero isn't even the best Hero.
People tend to think he'll do well in the all kill rounds, but I disagree. His ZvZ is not up to par, he's unfamiliar with the maps, and the shear amount of talent he'll be going up against is unlike anything he's seen.
Despite Fionn's "questionable" power ranking that listed EG-TL as the #1 team in PL, I think most rational people placed EG-TL in their proper place-- a mid tier team carried by a couple players. - Taeja is easily one of the best in the league. He's won every game he's played except his most recent against Rain. - Stephano has been going up against equal or better Koreans throughout his career and half the maps are familiar. - EG-TL might not deserve the #1 spot, but they're a bit better than mid-tier. - Nope, lost to Cj Hero. - No, he hasn't. - EG-TL is 3-4. What tier is that exactly? But 3-4 doesn't tell the whole story. Every match they lost sans the opening match was in the ace match. They just as easily could have gone 6-1 as they did 3-4 or any combination of them. I definitely don't think its fair to call EG-TL mid tier. Yes, have to agree with you here. + Show Spoiler +EG-TL is not mid tier, they are lower tier. I'd love to hear your thoughts on STX/CJ/8th/Khan then OK, as you wish. STX, CJ, 8th team are better than EG-TL, Khan is not atm. How did you come to that conclusion? You need to learn yourself, can't teach you everything. So you don't actually have a reason. I agree, the teams doing worse in every way are better.
Reasons are just the same excuses that you claim EG-TL are top tier, same logic works here too. If you accept positive spin for EG-TL, then you should accept positive spin for those teams too.
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On January 02 2013 13:15 decado90 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2013 13:11 bo1b wrote:On January 02 2013 13:10 tiMelEfT wrote:On January 02 2013 13:08 bo1b wrote:On January 02 2013 13:01 tiMelEfT wrote:On January 02 2013 12:53 chipmonklord17 wrote:On January 02 2013 11:33 tiMelEfT wrote:On January 02 2013 06:51 chipmonklord17 wrote:On January 02 2013 06:44 decado90 wrote:On January 02 2013 06:37 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: [quote]
- Taeja is easily one of the best in the league. He's won every game he's played except his most recent against Rain.
- Stephano has been going up against equal or better Koreans throughout his career and half the maps are familiar.
- EG-TL might not deserve the #1 spot, but they're a bit better than mid-tier. - Nope, lost to Cj Hero. - No, he hasn't. - EG-TL is 3-4. What tier is that exactly? But 3-4 doesn't tell the whole story. Every match they lost sans the opening match was in the ace match. They just as easily could have gone 6-1 as they did 3-4 or any combination of them. I definitely don't think its fair to call EG-TL mid tier. Yes, have to agree with you here. + Show Spoiler +EG-TL is not mid tier, they are lower tier. I'd love to hear your thoughts on STX/CJ/8th/Khan then OK, as you wish. STX, CJ, 8th team are better than EG-TL, Khan is not atm. How did you come to that conclusion? You need to learn yourself, can't teach you everything. So you don't actually have a reason. I agree, the teams doing worse in every way are better. It's called rational thinking. They have the superior players and are much deeper teams. Except that they don't have superior players at the moment. If egtl is going to be judged as mediocre for losing 3 times in the ace match, which would put them 1st/2nd, then cj, khan, stx and 8th should objectively be judged worse then them for not even getting to that stage.
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On January 02 2013 13:16 tiMelEfT wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2013 13:11 bo1b wrote:On January 02 2013 13:10 tiMelEfT wrote:On January 02 2013 13:08 bo1b wrote:On January 02 2013 13:01 tiMelEfT wrote:On January 02 2013 12:53 chipmonklord17 wrote:On January 02 2013 11:33 tiMelEfT wrote:On January 02 2013 06:51 chipmonklord17 wrote:On January 02 2013 06:44 decado90 wrote:On January 02 2013 06:37 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: [quote]
- Taeja is easily one of the best in the league. He's won every game he's played except his most recent against Rain.
- Stephano has been going up against equal or better Koreans throughout his career and half the maps are familiar.
- EG-TL might not deserve the #1 spot, but they're a bit better than mid-tier. - Nope, lost to Cj Hero. - No, he hasn't. - EG-TL is 3-4. What tier is that exactly? But 3-4 doesn't tell the whole story. Every match they lost sans the opening match was in the ace match. They just as easily could have gone 6-1 as they did 3-4 or any combination of them. I definitely don't think its fair to call EG-TL mid tier. Yes, have to agree with you here. + Show Spoiler +EG-TL is not mid tier, they are lower tier. I'd love to hear your thoughts on STX/CJ/8th/Khan then OK, as you wish. STX, CJ, 8th team are better than EG-TL, Khan is not atm. How did you come to that conclusion? You need to learn yourself, can't teach you everything. So you don't actually have a reason. I agree, the teams doing worse in every way are better. Reasons are just the same excuses that you claim EG-TL are top tier, same logic works here too. If you accept positive spin for EG-TL, then you should accept positive spin for those teams too. I don't accept positive spin, I think they're mediocre, I just think they're better then the teams you think are better.
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On January 02 2013 13:20 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2013 13:16 tiMelEfT wrote:On January 02 2013 13:11 bo1b wrote:On January 02 2013 13:10 tiMelEfT wrote:On January 02 2013 13:08 bo1b wrote:On January 02 2013 13:01 tiMelEfT wrote:On January 02 2013 12:53 chipmonklord17 wrote:On January 02 2013 11:33 tiMelEfT wrote:On January 02 2013 06:51 chipmonklord17 wrote:On January 02 2013 06:44 decado90 wrote: [quote]
- Nope, lost to Cj Hero.
- No, he hasn't.
- EG-TL is 3-4. What tier is that exactly? But 3-4 doesn't tell the whole story. Every match they lost sans the opening match was in the ace match. They just as easily could have gone 6-1 as they did 3-4 or any combination of them. I definitely don't think its fair to call EG-TL mid tier. Yes, have to agree with you here. + Show Spoiler +EG-TL is not mid tier, they are lower tier. I'd love to hear your thoughts on STX/CJ/8th/Khan then OK, as you wish. STX, CJ, 8th team are better than EG-TL, Khan is not atm. How did you come to that conclusion? You need to learn yourself, can't teach you everything. So you don't actually have a reason. I agree, the teams doing worse in every way are better. Reasons are just the same excuses that you claim EG-TL are top tier, same logic works here too. If you accept positive spin for EG-TL, then you should accept positive spin for those teams too. I don't accept positive spin, I think they're mediocre, I just think they're better then the teams you think are better.
Sry thought you were chipmonk, was arguing with him for claiming EG-TL top tier.
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On January 01 2013 08:21 ROOTheognis wrote: Stephano is a genius! He'll be great in Korea
I second this post. Stephano's the guy who doesn't go to class all year, skims someone else's notes a day before the exam and ends up getting the best grade in the class (as long as the exam doesn't involve zvz)
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On January 01 2013 10:46 decado90 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2013 10:22 Nuzoybot wrote: Even if he is lazy (which i dont believe so much, but thats a separate issue), I am sure that being in Korea with EGs infrastructurre will help. He's a great player, and if his coaches help him I believe he can do great. No other foreigner boasts such a record against koreans, so if you wont rally behind him then who. That's the point. There are probably 30 or more Koreans better than Stephano. Hell, over 20 Koreans are higher than him in foreign TLPD, Getting "behind" a foreigner is simply blind cheering for an inferior player simply because of his ethnicity. Never understood it myself, but I'll be glad when he's knocked to Code B and this whole farce is over with.
I'm taking the bait. You do realize that Stephano was #1 overall in international Elo (among all players) for a good portion of 2012 and that before he more or less completely stopped practicing for about 2 months was #1 overall (of all races) in vP and vT matchups, yes? Even in his present diminished state, there is no way that there are 30 Koreans better than Stephano. He just stomped MVP and MKP (and MMA, although he's not so special anymore) using roach-hydra. This man is a genius (who needs to practice a bit more than he currently does).
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On January 03 2013 05:14 The_Darkness wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2013 08:21 ROOTheognis wrote: Stephano is a genius! He'll be great in Korea I second this post. Stephano's the guy who doesn't go to class all year, skims someone else's notes a day before the exam and ends up getting the best grade in the class (as long as the exam doesn't involve zvz )
NOBODY TOLD ME ZVZ WOULD BE ON THE EXAM
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On January 01 2013 17:03 LingBlingBling wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2013 16:38 SpacemanG wrote:On January 01 2013 16:18 decado90 wrote: Stephano is in for a very rude awakening.
For the past two years he's put off competing in the GSL, opting for foreign gutter. Went to ESWC instead of MLG to preserve his image against fail competition-- loses to a foreigner. Loses the series to Bomber, yet wins LSC2. Humiliated by idra and Xlord-- two foreigners that don't even register in the upper echelon of foreigners. Beats MKP and MMA, mkp who is in a straight up TvZ free fall and MMA who's already hit the ground, and he's proclaimed Code S.
Stephano is not Code S. In fact, I'll laugh when he's knocked into Code B. I'm sure the fanboys will make up some excuse, probably similar to the excuses they gave when he was spanked the last time he was in Korea, and I'll just laugh even more.
Stephano is nothing remotely special and would struggle to be even considered in the top 50 among Koreans. Simply the best foreigner--the same difference in appeal as the piece of bread that's been pissed on instead of shit on. This is exactly the kind of thought that I try and challenge by writing this - by looking at his results, Stephano has at one point beaten every single big Korean name, even the highest tier Korean pros - he's probably taken down every Code S champion that's still playing at least once. I believe for a lot of people, this won't matter, and the mindset of Koreans > Foreigners will still remain strong. But here is a foreigner that has beaten everyone, but for some reason that means he still isn't as good as the best. Is beating MC, MKP, MMA, Polt, DongRaeGu, Boxer, TheSTC, Hero, Thorzain, Puma, Real, JYP, Ganzi, Parting, Squirtle, Heart and Rain not enough to say 'perhaps Stephano is on the level of Koreans?' Or would one be so bold as to argue that these results against these Koreans shouldn't count? To be fair stephano has only won vs these top Koreans on his home turf or the USA tourneys. It is much harder on the Koreans who travel to Euro and USA, Stephano feels much better @ USA/Euro so those wins mean very little in Korea. South Korea is the real deal, different environment, Koreans home turf, they have the power, skill and practice routine to make people who travel to South Korea to look like nothing. Kespa has taken out their own in Korea making it a new world with higher skill curve that EG does not provide, Yes EG is a great team, yes they are rich and can pay players big. But do they have high skill practice?? no they dont. Do 95% of their teams provide more personality and entertainment then gaming skill? Yes. I mean you can't compare the work Koreans put in, compared to how laid back EG players are. They don't get half the practice other teams get.
Please stop posting. Stephano's home turf is France, not the US. He did fine in the Blizzard cup in Korea. He's played everywhere and done well everywhere. Please. Stop. Posting.
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It is much harder on the Koreans who travel to Euro and USA, Stephano feels much better @ USA/Euro so those wins mean very little in Korea. This might be news to you, but Europe and the US are on opposite ends of the world. They're not alike at all. He suffers from jetlag just as much as Koreans when they travel.
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what date will he play in code s?
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On January 03 2013 05:25 The_Darkness wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2013 17:03 LingBlingBling wrote:On January 01 2013 16:38 SpacemanG wrote:On January 01 2013 16:18 decado90 wrote: Stephano is in for a very rude awakening.
For the past two years he's put off competing in the GSL, opting for foreign gutter. Went to ESWC instead of MLG to preserve his image against fail competition-- loses to a foreigner. Loses the series to Bomber, yet wins LSC2. Humiliated by idra and Xlord-- two foreigners that don't even register in the upper echelon of foreigners. Beats MKP and MMA, mkp who is in a straight up TvZ free fall and MMA who's already hit the ground, and he's proclaimed Code S.
Stephano is not Code S. In fact, I'll laugh when he's knocked into Code B. I'm sure the fanboys will make up some excuse, probably similar to the excuses they gave when he was spanked the last time he was in Korea, and I'll just laugh even more.
Stephano is nothing remotely special and would struggle to be even considered in the top 50 among Koreans. Simply the best foreigner--the same difference in appeal as the piece of bread that's been pissed on instead of shit on. This is exactly the kind of thought that I try and challenge by writing this - by looking at his results, Stephano has at one point beaten every single big Korean name, even the highest tier Korean pros - he's probably taken down every Code S champion that's still playing at least once. I believe for a lot of people, this won't matter, and the mindset of Koreans > Foreigners will still remain strong. But here is a foreigner that has beaten everyone, but for some reason that means he still isn't as good as the best. Is beating MC, MKP, MMA, Polt, DongRaeGu, Boxer, TheSTC, Hero, Thorzain, Puma, Real, JYP, Ganzi, Parting, Squirtle, Heart and Rain not enough to say 'perhaps Stephano is on the level of Koreans?' Or would one be so bold as to argue that these results against these Koreans shouldn't count? To be fair stephano has only won vs these top Koreans on his home turf or the USA tourneys. It is much harder on the Koreans who travel to Euro and USA, Stephano feels much better @ USA/Euro so those wins mean very little in Korea. South Korea is the real deal, different environment, Koreans home turf, they have the power, skill and practice routine to make people who travel to South Korea to look like nothing. Kespa has taken out their own in Korea making it a new world with higher skill curve that EG does not provide, Yes EG is a great team, yes they are rich and can pay players big. But do they have high skill practice?? no they dont. Do 95% of their teams provide more personality and entertainment then gaming skill? Yes. I mean you can't compare the work Koreans put in, compared to how laid back EG players are. They don't get half the practice other teams get. Please stop posting. Stephano's home turf is France, not the US. He did fine in the Blizzard cup in Korea. He's played everywhere and done well everywhere. Please. Stop. Posting.
Yea, getting smacked out of the first round is "fine" indeed. Why are so many people hellbent on justifying failure?
Losing to idra and xlord, boy that sure is Code S level huh? I'm sure when he gets knocked out of the first round of Code S he'll do just "fine" as well.
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On January 03 2013 07:04 decado90 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 05:25 The_Darkness wrote:On January 01 2013 17:03 LingBlingBling wrote:On January 01 2013 16:38 SpacemanG wrote:On January 01 2013 16:18 decado90 wrote: Stephano is in for a very rude awakening.
For the past two years he's put off competing in the GSL, opting for foreign gutter. Went to ESWC instead of MLG to preserve his image against fail competition-- loses to a foreigner. Loses the series to Bomber, yet wins LSC2. Humiliated by idra and Xlord-- two foreigners that don't even register in the upper echelon of foreigners. Beats MKP and MMA, mkp who is in a straight up TvZ free fall and MMA who's already hit the ground, and he's proclaimed Code S.
Stephano is not Code S. In fact, I'll laugh when he's knocked into Code B. I'm sure the fanboys will make up some excuse, probably similar to the excuses they gave when he was spanked the last time he was in Korea, and I'll just laugh even more.
Stephano is nothing remotely special and would struggle to be even considered in the top 50 among Koreans. Simply the best foreigner--the same difference in appeal as the piece of bread that's been pissed on instead of shit on. This is exactly the kind of thought that I try and challenge by writing this - by looking at his results, Stephano has at one point beaten every single big Korean name, even the highest tier Korean pros - he's probably taken down every Code S champion that's still playing at least once. I believe for a lot of people, this won't matter, and the mindset of Koreans > Foreigners will still remain strong. But here is a foreigner that has beaten everyone, but for some reason that means he still isn't as good as the best. Is beating MC, MKP, MMA, Polt, DongRaeGu, Boxer, TheSTC, Hero, Thorzain, Puma, Real, JYP, Ganzi, Parting, Squirtle, Heart and Rain not enough to say 'perhaps Stephano is on the level of Koreans?' Or would one be so bold as to argue that these results against these Koreans shouldn't count? To be fair stephano has only won vs these top Koreans on his home turf or the USA tourneys. It is much harder on the Koreans who travel to Euro and USA, Stephano feels much better @ USA/Euro so those wins mean very little in Korea. South Korea is the real deal, different environment, Koreans home turf, they have the power, skill and practice routine to make people who travel to South Korea to look like nothing. Kespa has taken out their own in Korea making it a new world with higher skill curve that EG does not provide, Yes EG is a great team, yes they are rich and can pay players big. But do they have high skill practice?? no they dont. Do 95% of their teams provide more personality and entertainment then gaming skill? Yes. I mean you can't compare the work Koreans put in, compared to how laid back EG players are. They don't get half the practice other teams get. Please stop posting. Stephano's home turf is France, not the US. He did fine in the Blizzard cup in Korea. He's played everywhere and done well everywhere. Please. Stop. Posting. Yea, getting smacked out of the first round is "fine" indeed. Why are so many people hellbent on justifying failure? Losing to idra and xlord, boy that sure is Code S level huh? I'm sure when he gets knocked out of the first round of Code S he'll do just "fine" as well.
Your logic is flawed. MKP lost to Stephano and he is code S. So with your logic, MKP doesn't deserve to be in code S Ro16 for the last 5 GSL ? Right ? He's not the code S Caliber the most consistant right ?
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On January 03 2013 07:26 Faust852 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 07:04 decado90 wrote:On January 03 2013 05:25 The_Darkness wrote:On January 01 2013 17:03 LingBlingBling wrote:On January 01 2013 16:38 SpacemanG wrote:On January 01 2013 16:18 decado90 wrote: Stephano is in for a very rude awakening.
For the past two years he's put off competing in the GSL, opting for foreign gutter. Went to ESWC instead of MLG to preserve his image against fail competition-- loses to a foreigner. Loses the series to Bomber, yet wins LSC2. Humiliated by idra and Xlord-- two foreigners that don't even register in the upper echelon of foreigners. Beats MKP and MMA, mkp who is in a straight up TvZ free fall and MMA who's already hit the ground, and he's proclaimed Code S.
Stephano is not Code S. In fact, I'll laugh when he's knocked into Code B. I'm sure the fanboys will make up some excuse, probably similar to the excuses they gave when he was spanked the last time he was in Korea, and I'll just laugh even more.
Stephano is nothing remotely special and would struggle to be even considered in the top 50 among Koreans. Simply the best foreigner--the same difference in appeal as the piece of bread that's been pissed on instead of shit on. This is exactly the kind of thought that I try and challenge by writing this - by looking at his results, Stephano has at one point beaten every single big Korean name, even the highest tier Korean pros - he's probably taken down every Code S champion that's still playing at least once. I believe for a lot of people, this won't matter, and the mindset of Koreans > Foreigners will still remain strong. But here is a foreigner that has beaten everyone, but for some reason that means he still isn't as good as the best. Is beating MC, MKP, MMA, Polt, DongRaeGu, Boxer, TheSTC, Hero, Thorzain, Puma, Real, JYP, Ganzi, Parting, Squirtle, Heart and Rain not enough to say 'perhaps Stephano is on the level of Koreans?' Or would one be so bold as to argue that these results against these Koreans shouldn't count? To be fair stephano has only won vs these top Koreans on his home turf or the USA tourneys. It is much harder on the Koreans who travel to Euro and USA, Stephano feels much better @ USA/Euro so those wins mean very little in Korea. South Korea is the real deal, different environment, Koreans home turf, they have the power, skill and practice routine to make people who travel to South Korea to look like nothing. Kespa has taken out their own in Korea making it a new world with higher skill curve that EG does not provide, Yes EG is a great team, yes they are rich and can pay players big. But do they have high skill practice?? no they dont. Do 95% of their teams provide more personality and entertainment then gaming skill? Yes. I mean you can't compare the work Koreans put in, compared to how laid back EG players are. They don't get half the practice other teams get. Please stop posting. Stephano's home turf is France, not the US. He did fine in the Blizzard cup in Korea. He's played everywhere and done well everywhere. Please. Stop. Posting. Yea, getting smacked out of the first round is "fine" indeed. Why are so many people hellbent on justifying failure? Losing to idra and xlord, boy that sure is Code S level huh? I'm sure when he gets knocked out of the first round of Code S he'll do just "fine" as well. Your logic is flawed. MKP lost to Stephano and he is code S. So with your logic, MKP doesn't deserve to be in code S Ro16 for the last 5 GSL ? Right ? He's not the code S Caliber the most consistant right ?
At IPL 4, pre patch, Stephano was rolled by both MMA and MKP. MKP trolled with nukes and mules as well.
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On January 03 2013 07:04 decado90 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 05:25 The_Darkness wrote:On January 01 2013 17:03 LingBlingBling wrote:On January 01 2013 16:38 SpacemanG wrote:On January 01 2013 16:18 decado90 wrote: Stephano is in for a very rude awakening.
For the past two years he's put off competing in the GSL, opting for foreign gutter. Went to ESWC instead of MLG to preserve his image against fail competition-- loses to a foreigner. Loses the series to Bomber, yet wins LSC2. Humiliated by idra and Xlord-- two foreigners that don't even register in the upper echelon of foreigners. Beats MKP and MMA, mkp who is in a straight up TvZ free fall and MMA who's already hit the ground, and he's proclaimed Code S.
Stephano is not Code S. In fact, I'll laugh when he's knocked into Code B. I'm sure the fanboys will make up some excuse, probably similar to the excuses they gave when he was spanked the last time he was in Korea, and I'll just laugh even more.
Stephano is nothing remotely special and would struggle to be even considered in the top 50 among Koreans. Simply the best foreigner--the same difference in appeal as the piece of bread that's been pissed on instead of shit on. This is exactly the kind of thought that I try and challenge by writing this - by looking at his results, Stephano has at one point beaten every single big Korean name, even the highest tier Korean pros - he's probably taken down every Code S champion that's still playing at least once. I believe for a lot of people, this won't matter, and the mindset of Koreans > Foreigners will still remain strong. But here is a foreigner that has beaten everyone, but for some reason that means he still isn't as good as the best. Is beating MC, MKP, MMA, Polt, DongRaeGu, Boxer, TheSTC, Hero, Thorzain, Puma, Real, JYP, Ganzi, Parting, Squirtle, Heart and Rain not enough to say 'perhaps Stephano is on the level of Koreans?' Or would one be so bold as to argue that these results against these Koreans shouldn't count? To be fair stephano has only won vs these top Koreans on his home turf or the USA tourneys. It is much harder on the Koreans who travel to Euro and USA, Stephano feels much better @ USA/Euro so those wins mean very little in Korea. South Korea is the real deal, different environment, Koreans home turf, they have the power, skill and practice routine to make people who travel to South Korea to look like nothing. Kespa has taken out their own in Korea making it a new world with higher skill curve that EG does not provide, Yes EG is a great team, yes they are rich and can pay players big. But do they have high skill practice?? no they dont. Do 95% of their teams provide more personality and entertainment then gaming skill? Yes. I mean you can't compare the work Koreans put in, compared to how laid back EG players are. They don't get half the practice other teams get. Please stop posting. Stephano's home turf is France, not the US. He did fine in the Blizzard cup in Korea. He's played everywhere and done well everywhere. Please. Stop. Posting. Yea, getting smacked out of the first round is "fine" indeed. Why are so many people hellbent on justifying failure? Losing to idra and xlord, boy that sure is Code S level huh? I'm sure when he gets knocked out of the first round of Code S he'll do just "fine" as well. You're getting boring. Mvp lost to Naama and monchi and he's the epitome of Code S level.
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On January 03 2013 05:21 The_Darkness wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2013 10:46 decado90 wrote:On January 01 2013 10:22 Nuzoybot wrote: Even if he is lazy (which i dont believe so much, but thats a separate issue), I am sure that being in Korea with EGs infrastructurre will help. He's a great player, and if his coaches help him I believe he can do great. No other foreigner boasts such a record against koreans, so if you wont rally behind him then who. That's the point. There are probably 30 or more Koreans better than Stephano. Hell, over 20 Koreans are higher than him in foreign TLPD, Getting "behind" a foreigner is simply blind cheering for an inferior player simply because of his ethnicity. Never understood it myself, but I'll be glad when he's knocked to Code B and this whole farce is over with. I'm taking the bait. You do realize that Stephano was #1 overall in international Elo (among all players) for a good portion of 2012 and that before he more or less completely stopped practicing for about 2 months was #1 overall (of all races) in vP and vT matchups, yes? Even in his present diminished state, there is no way that there are 30 Koreans better than Stephano. He just stomped MVP and MKP (and MMA, although he's not so special anymore) using roach-hydra. This man is a genius (who needs to practice a bit more than he currently does).
Eh, it actually isn't really anything special. It's a timing attacking designed to hit before siege mode is done when a Terran goes triple orbital. If a Code S Terran like MVP or MKP studied the build for a couple of hours, they would design a counter build.
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On January 03 2013 07:29 decado90 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 07:26 Faust852 wrote:On January 03 2013 07:04 decado90 wrote:On January 03 2013 05:25 The_Darkness wrote:On January 01 2013 17:03 LingBlingBling wrote:On January 01 2013 16:38 SpacemanG wrote:On January 01 2013 16:18 decado90 wrote: Stephano is in for a very rude awakening.
For the past two years he's put off competing in the GSL, opting for foreign gutter. Went to ESWC instead of MLG to preserve his image against fail competition-- loses to a foreigner. Loses the series to Bomber, yet wins LSC2. Humiliated by idra and Xlord-- two foreigners that don't even register in the upper echelon of foreigners. Beats MKP and MMA, mkp who is in a straight up TvZ free fall and MMA who's already hit the ground, and he's proclaimed Code S.
Stephano is not Code S. In fact, I'll laugh when he's knocked into Code B. I'm sure the fanboys will make up some excuse, probably similar to the excuses they gave when he was spanked the last time he was in Korea, and I'll just laugh even more.
Stephano is nothing remotely special and would struggle to be even considered in the top 50 among Koreans. Simply the best foreigner--the same difference in appeal as the piece of bread that's been pissed on instead of shit on. This is exactly the kind of thought that I try and challenge by writing this - by looking at his results, Stephano has at one point beaten every single big Korean name, even the highest tier Korean pros - he's probably taken down every Code S champion that's still playing at least once. I believe for a lot of people, this won't matter, and the mindset of Koreans > Foreigners will still remain strong. But here is a foreigner that has beaten everyone, but for some reason that means he still isn't as good as the best. Is beating MC, MKP, MMA, Polt, DongRaeGu, Boxer, TheSTC, Hero, Thorzain, Puma, Real, JYP, Ganzi, Parting, Squirtle, Heart and Rain not enough to say 'perhaps Stephano is on the level of Koreans?' Or would one be so bold as to argue that these results against these Koreans shouldn't count? To be fair stephano has only won vs these top Koreans on his home turf or the USA tourneys. It is much harder on the Koreans who travel to Euro and USA, Stephano feels much better @ USA/Euro so those wins mean very little in Korea. South Korea is the real deal, different environment, Koreans home turf, they have the power, skill and practice routine to make people who travel to South Korea to look like nothing. Kespa has taken out their own in Korea making it a new world with higher skill curve that EG does not provide, Yes EG is a great team, yes they are rich and can pay players big. But do they have high skill practice?? no they dont. Do 95% of their teams provide more personality and entertainment then gaming skill? Yes. I mean you can't compare the work Koreans put in, compared to how laid back EG players are. They don't get half the practice other teams get. Please stop posting. Stephano's home turf is France, not the US. He did fine in the Blizzard cup in Korea. He's played everywhere and done well everywhere. Please. Stop. Posting. Yea, getting smacked out of the first round is "fine" indeed. Why are so many people hellbent on justifying failure? Losing to idra and xlord, boy that sure is Code S level huh? I'm sure when he gets knocked out of the first round of Code S he'll do just "fine" as well. Your logic is flawed. MKP lost to Stephano and he is code S. So with your logic, MKP doesn't deserve to be in code S Ro16 for the last 5 GSL ? Right ? He's not the code S Caliber the most consistant right ? At IPL 4, pre patch, Stephano was rolled by both MMA and MKP. MKP trolled with nukes and mules as well.
It was MMA for the nuke.
And what ? 2011 ESCW, Stephano 2-0 MKP in a convincing fashion. Your argument is invalid and you are just a hater.
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On January 03 2013 07:29 decado90 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 07:26 Faust852 wrote:On January 03 2013 07:04 decado90 wrote:On January 03 2013 05:25 The_Darkness wrote:On January 01 2013 17:03 LingBlingBling wrote:On January 01 2013 16:38 SpacemanG wrote:On January 01 2013 16:18 decado90 wrote: Stephano is in for a very rude awakening.
For the past two years he's put off competing in the GSL, opting for foreign gutter. Went to ESWC instead of MLG to preserve his image against fail competition-- loses to a foreigner. Loses the series to Bomber, yet wins LSC2. Humiliated by idra and Xlord-- two foreigners that don't even register in the upper echelon of foreigners. Beats MKP and MMA, mkp who is in a straight up TvZ free fall and MMA who's already hit the ground, and he's proclaimed Code S.
Stephano is not Code S. In fact, I'll laugh when he's knocked into Code B. I'm sure the fanboys will make up some excuse, probably similar to the excuses they gave when he was spanked the last time he was in Korea, and I'll just laugh even more.
Stephano is nothing remotely special and would struggle to be even considered in the top 50 among Koreans. Simply the best foreigner--the same difference in appeal as the piece of bread that's been pissed on instead of shit on. This is exactly the kind of thought that I try and challenge by writing this - by looking at his results, Stephano has at one point beaten every single big Korean name, even the highest tier Korean pros - he's probably taken down every Code S champion that's still playing at least once. I believe for a lot of people, this won't matter, and the mindset of Koreans > Foreigners will still remain strong. But here is a foreigner that has beaten everyone, but for some reason that means he still isn't as good as the best. Is beating MC, MKP, MMA, Polt, DongRaeGu, Boxer, TheSTC, Hero, Thorzain, Puma, Real, JYP, Ganzi, Parting, Squirtle, Heart and Rain not enough to say 'perhaps Stephano is on the level of Koreans?' Or would one be so bold as to argue that these results against these Koreans shouldn't count? To be fair stephano has only won vs these top Koreans on his home turf or the USA tourneys. It is much harder on the Koreans who travel to Euro and USA, Stephano feels much better @ USA/Euro so those wins mean very little in Korea. South Korea is the real deal, different environment, Koreans home turf, they have the power, skill and practice routine to make people who travel to South Korea to look like nothing. Kespa has taken out their own in Korea making it a new world with higher skill curve that EG does not provide, Yes EG is a great team, yes they are rich and can pay players big. But do they have high skill practice?? no they dont. Do 95% of their teams provide more personality and entertainment then gaming skill? Yes. I mean you can't compare the work Koreans put in, compared to how laid back EG players are. They don't get half the practice other teams get. Please stop posting. Stephano's home turf is France, not the US. He did fine in the Blizzard cup in Korea. He's played everywhere and done well everywhere. Please. Stop. Posting. Yea, getting smacked out of the first round is "fine" indeed. Why are so many people hellbent on justifying failure? Losing to idra and xlord, boy that sure is Code S level huh? I'm sure when he gets knocked out of the first round of Code S he'll do just "fine" as well. Your logic is flawed. MKP lost to Stephano and he is code S. So with your logic, MKP doesn't deserve to be in code S Ro16 for the last 5 GSL ? Right ? He's not the code S Caliber the most consistant right ? At IPL 4, pre patch, Stephano was rolled by both MMA and MKP. MKP trolled with nukes and mules as well.
the Stephano MKP game was 2-1 so hardly rolled - though i don't remember the exact games.
the MMA game was indeed a 2-0 sweep - and it was MMA who did the nukes etc. however lets not forget that MMA was at the time still really fucking sick, and had some of if not the best TvZ in the world.
At the same tournament stephano also 2-0'd bomber who had just topped his own group - and played an intense series with Nestea - including a game on antigua shipyard where Stephano completely outplayed him.
Sure Stephano didnt win IPL4 - but he did finish top 6 - in what was probably the most stacked weelend-tournament to date at the time.
if you want to use IPL4 to discredit Stephano - why not do the same for MKP who got schooled by Alive and Squirtle just as much as Stephano did by MKP and MMA.
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Ah, sorry. You guys are right. Stephano is much better than MKP.
Life, Leenock, Sniper watch out. Stephano is coming to town.
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