The (Smaller) Elephant - Stephano to Korea - Page 7
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Dreamer.T
United States3584 Posts
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LingBlingBling
United States353 Posts
South Korea is 100% cut throat I'm kill you no mercy, and hardcore practice the kespa players put themself in. Stephano does slump from time to time and it has shown since he has joined EG, He has had less results since he joined EG compared to when he was on Mili and training in Euro with a Euro team. Hope he does well, but EG is a pretty relaxed setting, they tend to goof off or be more entertainment then have hardcore training sessions like other teams do. And in South Korea with the power of Kespa teams in the mix of sc2, Hardcore training is a must to be successful in South Korea scene GSL | ||
BaconofWar
United States369 Posts
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decado90
United States480 Posts
For the past two years he's put off competing in the GSL, opting for foreign gutter. Went to ESWC instead of MLG to preserve his image against fail competition-- loses to a foreigner. Loses the series to Bomber, yet wins LSC2. Humiliated by idra and Xlord-- two foreigners that don't even register in the upper echelon of foreigners. Beats MKP and MMA, mkp who is in a straight up TvZ free fall and MMA who's already hit the ground, and he's proclaimed Code S. Stephano is not Code S. In fact, I'll laugh when he's knocked into Code B. I'm sure the fanboys will make up some excuse, probably similar to the excuses they gave when he was spanked the last time he was in Korea, and I'll just laugh even more. Stephano is nothing remotely special and would struggle to be even considered in the top 50 among Koreans. Simply the best foreigner--the same difference in appeal as the piece of bread that's been pissed on instead of shit on. | ||
Cel.erity
United States4890 Posts
On January 01 2013 07:15 Necro)Phagist( wrote: I predict in SPL All Kill format he will do decently and pick up some wins. but in the GSL he will drop straight to Code B. Quote me on it bitches I think the same, but I don't know. Code S and Code A are practically equal in terms of skill now, it's just a matter of who's playing better on the day. He's not that far behind the top Koreans, and living there should benefit him. | ||
Belha
Italy2850 Posts
He is prolly with Naniwa, the only foreigner with Sc2 korean level, so with good preparation he can do well in Code S. In any case, the korean field is hard. Stephano may be the best foreigner but he is not better than any top 25 korean in the GSL. Also, he got his pride during the "patchz" season, so I will love to see how he performs in korean territory. Consistant with that, his ZvZ is his worse match up. And also Z beasts like DongRaeGu, Life or Leenock have lost their first group. So if you ask me, Stephano have the same chances that any othe korean. He can have a good run a la Naniwa, or go to code A like any good korean player. | ||
SpacemanG
United States31 Posts
On January 01 2013 16:18 decado90 wrote: Stephano is in for a very rude awakening. For the past two years he's put off competing in the GSL, opting for foreign gutter. Went to ESWC instead of MLG to preserve his image against fail competition-- loses to a foreigner. Loses the series to Bomber, yet wins LSC2. Humiliated by idra and Xlord-- two foreigners that don't even register in the upper echelon of foreigners. Beats MKP and MMA, mkp who is in a straight up TvZ free fall and MMA who's already hit the ground, and he's proclaimed Code S. Stephano is not Code S. In fact, I'll laugh when he's knocked into Code B. I'm sure the fanboys will make up some excuse, probably similar to the excuses they gave when he was spanked the last time he was in Korea, and I'll just laugh even more. Stephano is nothing remotely special and would struggle to be even considered in the top 50 among Koreans. Simply the best foreigner--the same difference in appeal as the piece of bread that's been pissed on instead of shit on. This is exactly the kind of thought that I try and challenge by writing this - by looking at his results, Stephano has at one point beaten every single big Korean name, even the highest tier Korean pros - he's probably taken down every Code S champion that's still playing at least once. I believe for a lot of people, this won't matter, and the mindset of Koreans > Foreigners will still remain strong. But here is a foreigner that has beaten everyone, but for some reason that means he still isn't as good as the best. Is beating MC, MKP, MMA, Polt, DongRaeGu, Boxer, TheSTC, Hero, Thorzain, Puma, Real, JYP, Ganzi, Parting, Squirtle, Heart and Rain not enough to say 'perhaps Stephano is on the level of Koreans?' Or would one be so bold as to argue that these results against these Koreans shouldn't count? | ||
Cuh
United States403 Posts
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Faust852
Luxembourg4004 Posts
On January 01 2013 16:18 decado90 wrote: Stephano is in for a very rude awakening. For the past two years he's put off competing in the GSL, opting for foreign gutter. Went to ESWC instead of MLG to preserve his image against fail competition-- loses to a foreigner. Loses the series to Bomber, yet wins LSC2. Humiliated by idra and Xlord-- two foreigners that don't even register in the upper echelon of foreigners. Beats MKP and MMA, mkp who is in a straight up TvZ free fall and MMA who's already hit the ground, and he's proclaimed Code S. Stephano is not Code S. In fact, I'll laugh when he's knocked into Code B. I'm sure the fanboys will make up some excuse, probably similar to the excuses they gave when he was spanked the last time he was in Korea, and I'll just laugh even more. Stephano is nothing remotely special and would struggle to be even considered in the top 50 among Koreans. Simply the best foreigner--the same difference in appeal as the piece of bread that's been pissed on instead of shit on. We understood that you are a Stephano's hater. Please shut your mouth up now, you're becoming boring by bashing him everywhere. | ||
Rah
United States973 Posts
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Mahanaim
Korea (South)1002 Posts
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mambar
United States841 Posts
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LingBlingBling
United States353 Posts
On January 01 2013 16:38 SpacemanG wrote: This is exactly the kind of thought that I try and challenge by writing this - by looking at his results, Stephano has at one point beaten every single big Korean name, even the highest tier Korean pros - he's probably taken down every Code S champion that's still playing at least once. I believe for a lot of people, this won't matter, and the mindset of Koreans > Foreigners will still remain strong. But here is a foreigner that has beaten everyone, but for some reason that means he still isn't as good as the best. Is beating MC, MKP, MMA, Polt, DongRaeGu, Boxer, TheSTC, Hero, Thorzain, Puma, Real, JYP, Ganzi, Parting, Squirtle, Heart and Rain not enough to say 'perhaps Stephano is on the level of Koreans?' Or would one be so bold as to argue that these results against these Koreans shouldn't count? To be fair stephano has only won vs these top Koreans on his home turf or the USA tourneys. It is much harder on the Koreans who travel to Euro and USA, Stephano feels much better @ USA/Euro so those wins mean very little in Korea. South Korea is the real deal, different environment, Koreans home turf, they have the power, skill and practice routine to make people who travel to South Korea to look like nothing. Kespa has taken out their own in Korea making it a new world with higher skill curve that EG does not provide, Yes EG is a great team, yes they are rich and can pay players big. But do they have high skill practice?? no they dont. Do 95% of their teams provide more personality and entertainment then gaming skill? Yes. I mean you can't compare the work Koreans put in, compared to how laid back EG players are. They don't get half the practice other teams get. | ||
Bayyne
United States1967 Posts
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SpacemanG
United States31 Posts
On January 01 2013 17:03 LingBlingBling wrote: To be fair stephano has only won vs these top Koreans on his home turf or the USA tourneys. It is much harder on the Koreans who travel to Euro and USA, Stephano feels much better @ USA/Euro so those wins mean very little in Korea. South Korea is the real deal, different environment, Koreans home turf, they have the power, skill and practice routine to make people who travel to South Korea to look like nothing. Kespa has taken out their own in Korea making it a new world with higher skill curve that EG does not provide, Yes EG is a great team, yes they are rich and can pay players big. But do they have high skill practice?? no they dont. Do 95% of their teams provide more personality and entertainment then gaming skill? Yes. I mean you can't compare the work Koreans put in, compared to how laid back EG players are. They don't get half the practice other teams get. I think you're right in that its difficult to estimate the strengths of 'home field advantage,' so to speak. I would imagine it would decline the longer one stays in a foreign country, with the biggest home field advantage occurring in weekend tournaments like MLG. To your point about practice differences, and this has been said time and time again, but ever since the EG players went back to Korea (Idra, Huk, Thorzain, JYP, Puma), we haven't heard a single peep from them - no streaming, no tweeting about practice, nothing. We have absolutely no idea what their practice is like. We as a community only see them in public during more relaxed events - shows, streaming ladder, etc. We don't see the whole picture and are going to be biased because of that. For example, Idra routinely ranks at the very top of stream viewers/revenue on twitch, and yet he barely ever streams, and really only when he is in NA for a short time. Why would he turn down that income/publicity if he wasn't doing something more important to him? | ||
SpacemanG
United States31 Posts
On January 01 2013 17:03 mambar wrote: It's fascinating how people talk about players like they have some special knowledge the players don't. Things along these lines: "He doesn't know what he's in for in Korea." In addition to their prima facie absurdity, they're outrageously arrogant. Anyway, hope Stephano does well; been looking forward to seeing him do this for a long time. I echo your sentiments completely. Here's to hoping he brings EG-TL some extra wins! | ||
ETisME
12082 Posts
Go back to early 2011 era where foreigns tournaments were filled with koreans and people were complaining if that was fair and even said that is what turned them away from the tournaments. Stephano was one of the few who consistently beat koreans, even the korean terrans | ||
DidYuhim
Ukraine1905 Posts
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Cel.erity
United States4890 Posts
On January 01 2013 17:03 mambar wrote: It's fascinating how people talk about players like they have some special knowledge the players don't. Things along these lines: "He doesn't know what he's in for in Korea." In addition to their prima facie absurdity, they're outrageously arrogant. Anyway, hope Stephano does well; been looking forward to seeing him do this for a long time. Yes that's true, but at the same time, the players themselves don't have the best perspective on their relative skill. To compete at that level, you have to believe you're capable of being the best. Fans are somewhat more objective/realistic. I have no doubt that Stephano is the type to go in believing he could win Code S even if it weren't remotely true. | ||
FischiiiSC
Germany22 Posts
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