Question: Where does Flash rank in SC2? - Page 6
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ihOpe
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guN-viCe
United States687 Posts
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SniXSniPe
United States1938 Posts
...also the fact that he plays a predictable CC first style ~.~ I still believe he is obviously Code S level. | ||
Kettchup
United States1911 Posts
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SupLilSon
Malaysia4123 Posts
On January 07 2013 11:19 Dodgin wrote: There are 10 other Terrans in Code S, how does that make any sense ;o I don't think Code S necessarily represents the strongest players anymore is all. | ||
Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
On January 07 2013 12:18 SniXSniPe wrote: When I watch him play, his micro does not stand out as amazing in comparison to a number of top level Terrans. ...also the fact that he plays a predictable CC first style ~.~ I still believe he is obviously Code S level. Fantasy's micro always > flash's micro, Flash just had ridiculously good game sense and strategies and macro ability that let him win almost any situation and never lose from an advantage. He doesn't really have the game sense yet so imo he's code A. | ||
DrakeFZX3
United States925 Posts
His macro is amazing and it's fueled heavily by his greedy playstyle. He's got a lot of holes in his early gameplay that's just waiting to be punished (and it has been). After that, his mid and late game is solid as hell. He's on the cusp of Code S. Just a few tweaks, he'll be right in there with the big boys. | ||
Hider
Denmark9236 Posts
On January 07 2013 12:23 Kettchup wrote: I've actually been most impressed by his micro and battle management. It's kind of the opposite of Jaedong right now, who has great overall strategies and then just screws it up in the end by sending his banelings in the wrong direction. Flash's weakness right now seems to be in the strategic department. Starting off with his CC first, or not putting down a bunker, and then paying for it. what? Jaedong has insane macro, but his ingame decision making and micro is just bad. | ||
Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
On January 07 2013 09:27 insanet wrote: Now that Bisu sucks, Flash fans have taken the lead as the most annoying fans of all. You've probably always hated Flash fans over Bisu fans. Bisu wasn't the one robbing JD bonjwa-dom | ||
Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On January 07 2013 12:25 SupLilSon wrote: I don't think Code S necessarily represents the strongest players anymore is all. Why do you think that? I don't understand how you can come to that conclusion. If Flash had simply defeated Baby in Code A instead of losing he would already be Code S without having to deal with up/downs at all. There are a lot more good players nowadays, but the best rise to the top and It's always been that way. Yes there are Code S level players outside Code S, because there are so many more players nowadays, but the best of the best are still there consistently. Mvp is getting an award for being in Code S for 10 seasons in a row, despite that sc2 is more random than BW It's still not THAT random if you're truly the best. See Life, Been in GSL for 3 seasons, already a two time champion. | ||
Valikyr
Sweden2653 Posts
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Black Gun
Germany4482 Posts
On January 07 2013 12:23 Kettchup wrote: I've actually been most impressed by his micro and battle management. It's kind of the opposite of Jaedong right now, who has great overall strategies and then just screws it up in the end by sending his banelings in the wrong direction. Flash's weakness right now seems to be in the strategic department. Starting off with his CC first, or not putting down a bunker, and then paying for it. exaclty the same was said about flash back in bw days when he got eliminated from msl by kwanro of all people. half a year later, he started the most successful and dominating year professional rts gaming has ever witnessed. | ||
Wingblade
United States1806 Posts
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22271 Posts
His micro is pretty lackluster to be honest. His splitting isn't as good as Bbyong or even hOn_sin. His map awareness also needs some work (often gets caught moving his army, for example). Strategically still a little inexperienced. These are things he can work on though. | ||
Goldfish
2230 Posts
If it weren't for KeSPA players, I'd probably wouldn't be watching SC2 or playing it that much. SC2 is still not a popular game, so more hype is better (keeps things alive and may help attract new viewers). Flash has had a ton of success in BW, more than any other BW player. Flash at his prime was better than anyone in both BW and SC2 at their prime. Also the up and downs were really close (he went 3-2, tied with Jaedong and MC). He has shown a lot of potential already in SC2 and IMO, I don't think he's overhyped at all. (Plus again, like I said, hype is good for the game if it helps keep things refreshing.) With Flash gone, it's up to Fantasy (who is vastly underhyped) and Jaedong (still in, just need to get out of the Wildcards) to step it up and prove the KeSPA players have got what it takes to win a GSL (at least before HotS kicks in and everyone has to reset). Fantasy has potential. Yesterday he 3-0 in SPL, and he has shown to be improving at the rate as Flash. Sadly I was hoping for a Flash vs MVP finals this season (would have been epic). Would have root for MVP to win it (I am a Flash fan but MVP has done a lot for SC2 IMO). Like someone said (was it Artosis?), MVP was the one who showed (post Zerg buff, pre Zerg nerf) that Terran still could win (Life vs MVP was really close). Plus, he plays hard despite his wrist injury. He said GSL made a 5 victory trophy, and it'd be nice if he ended off WoL with 5 GSL wins. Rooting for Fantasy vs MVP finals. On January 07 2013 12:39 Wingblade wrote: He's code A level right now. His TvT will continue to be his weakness, and honestly, he has never got into Code S. He's tried for 2 straight seasons and failed. He's not Code S level until he's in Code S. Should go without saying. People underrated his TvT because of his recorded win rate but yesterday of the games he lost, he only lost to MC and Jaedong. He defeated Yoda (Terran) and he did well against Taeja in SPL. Also when people say Code S level, they generally mean if they can have a 50/50 win rate against people in Code S. Obviously, it'd be a silly discussion if "Code S level" simply meant being in Code S. Someone mentioned DRG earlier but he's a good example of a Code S level player before being able to get into Code S after a while. Individual and team leagues are different (in how you practice against opponents, etc) but for the most part, since they're still playing the same game, it's not that much different. The best way to really determine this is to determine win rates in non-GSL tournaments against current Code S players (Fantasy, Jaedong potentially included, if they make it to Code S, Bogus is already in) but I'm not sure if there are that many tournaments before WoL ends (that Flash can participate in anyway). | ||
mjuuy
Norway506 Posts
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decado90
United States480 Posts
On January 07 2013 12:39 Wingblade wrote: He's code A level right now. His TvT will continue to be his weakness, and honestly, he has never got into Code S. He's tried for 2 straight seasons and failed. He's not Code S level until he's in Code S. Should go without saying. You don't attain the best record in Proleague by accident. Flash is Code S. | ||
lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22271 Posts
On January 07 2013 12:41 decado90 wrote: You don't attain the best record in Proleague by accident. Flash is Code S. Proleague =/= Code S | ||
GreenFaction
United States82 Posts
I dunno, something about the way he just made it feel impossible for them to come back from what started out as a small deficit was class. | ||
Steglich
Denmark282 Posts
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