On January 14 2013 18:43 Caihead wrote:
I don't see Huk making it out of his group -_-
I don't see Huk making it out of his group -_-
I don't see Huk winning a map unless he pulls off a lucky all in
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Shellshock
United States97247 Posts
On January 14 2013 18:43 Caihead wrote: I don't see Huk making it out of his group -_- I don't see Huk winning a map unless he pulls off a lucky all in | ||
AdrianHealey
Belgium480 Posts
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On January 14 2013 18:40 Thurken wrote: Show nested quote + On January 14 2013 18:37 vthree wrote: On January 14 2013 18:34 Thurken wrote: On January 14 2013 18:30 Waxangel wrote: On January 14 2013 18:29 Thurken wrote: On January 14 2013 18:21 Waxangel wrote: how is stephano so lucky?! HuK made it so Sniper took him as the default pick, and then I guess HyuN didn't want to take Stephano because of the old TSL connection? Why do you say he is so lucky? If you have the opportunity to pick Stephano or Huk. To choose between an always volatile ZvZ or a more reliable ZvP, you pick HuK and the ZvP. About Hyun, I don't see why an old connection would help Stephano. On the other hand they trained together and their match were always close. I understand he picks someone else if he feels strong against him. Getting DRG, maybe top2 in the world right now is not being lucky. It's not bad but it's not being in Losira's or Roro's position. he's lucky that HuK made it for one it's extremely unlikely BOTH sniper and HyuN pass him over without huk Look at Huk, or BBongBBong's group. It wouldn't change a thing for Stephano: one strong zerg, and two hard but beatable opponents Kind of. But the order of play matters. Stephano gets to play a T first. So he cannot get knocked out by 2 ZvZs (it would have been possible if he was in HuK or B4's position). I think it is debatable and it depends. Here I doubt DRG would lose one serie for example. With the GSL format, I'd rather play against the hardest opponent first. Otherwise, it may be like WCS where Stephano was 3-2 versus HerO but was eliminated. No, but it still opens up for the possibility. And why open with the hardest opponent first? It is always better to win your first match in the GSL format. Maybe TheBB could crunch the numbers for if it was DRG v Stephano, Bogus v Hack setup. | ||
Incomplet
United Kingdom1419 Posts
b. leenock / mc c. sniper / bomber d. hyun / yoda e. parting / ryung f. mvp / marineking g. taeja / nestea h. drg / bogus | ||
Hylirion
Netherlands968 Posts
On January 14 2013 18:40 TheBB wrote: + Show Spoiler [Group A] + + Show Spoiler [Details] + Detailed placement probabilities + Show Spoiler [Group B] + + Show Spoiler [Details] + Detailed placement probabilities + Show Spoiler [Group C] + + Show Spoiler [Details] + Detailed placement probabilities + Show Spoiler [Group D] + + Show Spoiler [Details] + Detailed placement probabilities + Show Spoiler [Group E] + + Show Spoiler [Details] + Detailed placement probabilities + Show Spoiler [Group F] + + Show Spoiler [Details] + Detailed placement probabilities + Show Spoiler [Group G] + + Show Spoiler [Details] + Detailed placement probabilities + Show Spoiler [Group H] + Group H DongRaeGu: 85.02% Stephano: 61.67% INnoVation: 27.56% Hack: 25.75% details, data source, code + Show Spoiler [Details] + Detailed placement probabilities So, in short: A: Life, Symbol B: This one is completely open C: Gumiho, Sniper and Bomber all have good chances D: Hyun, Squirtle E: Parting, Losira F: Roro, MarineKing G: Taeja first, Noblesse or Soulkey second H: DRG, Stephano Poor Huk with his 2.85%. | ||
Zeon0
Austria2995 Posts
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asdfOu
United States2089 Posts
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TAMinator
Australia2706 Posts
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PresenceSc2
Australia4032 Posts
On January 14 2013 18:40 TheBB wrote: + Show Spoiler [Group A] + + Show Spoiler [Details] + Detailed placement probabilities + Show Spoiler [Group B] + + Show Spoiler [Details] + Detailed placement probabilities + Show Spoiler [Group C] + + Show Spoiler [Details] + Detailed placement probabilities + Show Spoiler [Group D] + + Show Spoiler [Details] + Detailed placement probabilities + Show Spoiler [Group E] + + Show Spoiler [Details] + Detailed placement probabilities + Show Spoiler [Group F] + + Show Spoiler [Details] + Detailed placement probabilities + Show Spoiler [Group G] + + Show Spoiler [Details] + Detailed placement probabilities + Show Spoiler [Group H] + Group H DongRaeGu: 85.02% Stephano: 61.67% INnoVation: 27.56% Hack: 25.75% details, data source, code + Show Spoiler [Details] + Detailed placement probabilities So, in short: A: Life, Symbol B: This one is completely open C: Gumiho, Sniper and Bomber all have good chances D: Hyun, Squirtle E: Parting, Losira F: Roro, MarineKing G: Taeja first, Noblesse or Soulkey second H: DRG, Stephano you couldn't even give HuK 3%? T_T | ||
Shellshock
United States97247 Posts
On January 14 2013 18:48 TAMinator wrote: Are people picking F because Stephano is in it? F is MKP, Mvp, Roro, and Keen. Stephano is in H | ||
TheBB
Switzerland5133 Posts
On January 14 2013 18:45 vthree wrote: Show nested quote + On January 14 2013 18:40 Thurken wrote: On January 14 2013 18:37 vthree wrote: On January 14 2013 18:34 Thurken wrote: On January 14 2013 18:30 Waxangel wrote: On January 14 2013 18:29 Thurken wrote: On January 14 2013 18:21 Waxangel wrote: how is stephano so lucky?! HuK made it so Sniper took him as the default pick, and then I guess HyuN didn't want to take Stephano because of the old TSL connection? Why do you say he is so lucky? If you have the opportunity to pick Stephano or Huk. To choose between an always volatile ZvZ or a more reliable ZvP, you pick HuK and the ZvP. About Hyun, I don't see why an old connection would help Stephano. On the other hand they trained together and their match were always close. I understand he picks someone else if he feels strong against him. Getting DRG, maybe top2 in the world right now is not being lucky. It's not bad but it's not being in Losira's or Roro's position. he's lucky that HuK made it for one it's extremely unlikely BOTH sniper and HyuN pass him over without huk Look at Huk, or BBongBBong's group. It wouldn't change a thing for Stephano: one strong zerg, and two hard but beatable opponents Kind of. But the order of play matters. Stephano gets to play a T first. So he cannot get knocked out by 2 ZvZs (it would have been possible if he was in HuK or B4's position). I think it is debatable and it depends. Here I doubt DRG would lose one serie for example. With the GSL format, I'd rather play against the hardest opponent first. Otherwise, it may be like WCS where Stephano was 3-2 versus HerO but was eliminated. No, but it still opens up for the possibility. And why open with the hardest opponent first? It is always better to win your first match in the GSL format. Maybe TheBB could crunch the numbers for if it was DRG v Stephano, Bogus v Hack setup. Sure thing. According to "me," he's still favoured to get out in second place, but not nearly by as much. The first round pairings can have a pretty big impact. You always want to open against the weakest opponents, because there's a chance the presumed strongest opponent can fail to win his game. Remember that the strongest opponent against you doesn't have to be strongest against others (since matchups matter). + Show Spoiler [Group H] + Group H DongRaeGu: 85.02% Stephano: 61.67% INnoVation: 27.56% Hack: 25.75% details, data source, code + Show Spoiler [Details] + Detailed placement probabilities + Show Spoiler [Group H*] + Group H* DongRaeGu: 90.99% Stephano: 42.12% Hack: 34.57% INnoVation: 32.32% details, data source, code + Show Spoiler [Details] + Detailed placement probabilities | ||
deathabene
Denmark83 Posts
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Mackus
England1681 Posts
Group H is obviously the most balanced of the groups Really not liking the new Map pool - Antiga showed some really great games. | ||
Noizhende
Austria328 Posts
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kochanfe
Micronesia1338 Posts
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On January 14 2013 18:54 TheBB wrote: Show nested quote + On January 14 2013 18:45 vthree wrote: On January 14 2013 18:40 Thurken wrote: On January 14 2013 18:37 vthree wrote: On January 14 2013 18:34 Thurken wrote: On January 14 2013 18:30 Waxangel wrote: On January 14 2013 18:29 Thurken wrote: On January 14 2013 18:21 Waxangel wrote: how is stephano so lucky?! HuK made it so Sniper took him as the default pick, and then I guess HyuN didn't want to take Stephano because of the old TSL connection? Why do you say he is so lucky? If you have the opportunity to pick Stephano or Huk. To choose between an always volatile ZvZ or a more reliable ZvP, you pick HuK and the ZvP. About Hyun, I don't see why an old connection would help Stephano. On the other hand they trained together and their match were always close. I understand he picks someone else if he feels strong against him. Getting DRG, maybe top2 in the world right now is not being lucky. It's not bad but it's not being in Losira's or Roro's position. he's lucky that HuK made it for one it's extremely unlikely BOTH sniper and HyuN pass him over without huk Look at Huk, or BBongBBong's group. It wouldn't change a thing for Stephano: one strong zerg, and two hard but beatable opponents Kind of. But the order of play matters. Stephano gets to play a T first. So he cannot get knocked out by 2 ZvZs (it would have been possible if he was in HuK or B4's position). I think it is debatable and it depends. Here I doubt DRG would lose one serie for example. With the GSL format, I'd rather play against the hardest opponent first. Otherwise, it may be like WCS where Stephano was 3-2 versus HerO but was eliminated. No, but it still opens up for the possibility. And why open with the hardest opponent first? It is always better to win your first match in the GSL format. Maybe TheBB could crunch the numbers for if it was DRG v Stephano, Bogus v Hack setup. Sure thing. According to "me," he's still favoured to get out in second place, but not nearly by as much. The first round pairings can have a pretty big impact. + Show Spoiler [Group H] + Group H DongRaeGu: 85.02% Stephano: 61.67% INnoVation: 27.56% Hack: 25.75% details, data source, code + Show Spoiler [Details] + Detailed placement probabilities + Show Spoiler [Group H*] + Group H* DongRaeGu: 90.99% Stephano: 42.12% Hack: 34.57% INnoVation: 32.32% details, data source, code + Show Spoiler [Details] + Detailed placement probabilities Thanks. Yes, it makes sense that it would only make a slight difference because DRG is big favorites over Hack and Bogus. So it is Stephano's most likely path would be beating Bogus and Hack anyways. But it does make a difference. I think in cases where the racial strength of a player is very skewed (like previous JYP vZ, vT etc), and you have 2-3 players like that in one group. Then you will see huge variations due to order. | ||
Sumahi
Guam5609 Posts
I'm hoping that Bomber performs well. I have a feeling both him and Life will do well in this GSL. | ||
CloudMage
Canada221 Posts
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On January 14 2013 19:04 CloudMage wrote: HuK Fighting!!!! is it just me or are these groups seriously lacking in Protoss rep lol oh well terran OP zerg OP n all dat Yeah. Only 5 protosses made it to Code S this season. | ||
opterown
Australia54649 Posts
On January 14 2013 18:56 Mackus wrote: Did Hyun really pick BBoongBong? - Runners up get a pick too. Group H is obviously the most balanced of the groups Really not liking the new Map pool - Antiga showed some really great games. yeah, hyun picked bboong | ||
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