Overall very good lineup and Anna can certainly handle the floor.
EDIT: oh fuck. somehow I combined TB getting his green card with him being able to cast in NA and completely forgetting that TB has been in America for a long time now. My bad.
nice to see incontrol at MLG thought its the sponsor problem with it
day9 and incontrol are my favorites, axslav and axeltoss i still not get warm with them they not seem care so much about game they cast, husky is nice to see again and yes i know i did not mention dj wheat or TB, they should make shows they good showmakers not that livecasters
On February 12 2013 07:55 nooboon wrote: IIRC This will be the first major NA* LAN that TB will be casting. Overall very good lineup and Anna can certainly handle the floor.
Well, if we don't count:
MLG Pro Circuit 2012 Spring Championship MLG Pro Circuit 2012 Summer Championship MLG Pro Circuit 2012 Fall Championship IPL 5
Great caster line up! That's good ol' MLG for you. Seems they always can pull out the big ones. A little sad to see Tasteless and Artosis not there, but i'll forgive them =)
On February 12 2013 07:55 nooboon wrote: IIRC This will be the first major NA* LAN that TB will be casting. Overall very good lineup and Anna can certainly handle the floor.
Well, if we don't count:
MLG Pro Circuit 2012 Spring Championship MLG Pro Circuit 2012 Summer Championship MLG Pro Circuit 2012 Fall Championship IPL 5
On February 12 2013 07:55 nooboon wrote: IIRC This will be the first major NA* LAN that TB will be casting.
The fuck?
Hands down, best reply to this thread so far.... hahahaha. Damn it TotalBiscuit!
Honestly, I've stopped caring about caster lineups. I use to really like watching Day9, but now that I've seen so many tournaments, he's honestly not that great anymore. I'm glad they keep using him though because I think he's perfect for getting people into watching SC2, but I just do not enjoy listening to him.
On February 12 2013 07:55 nooboon wrote: IIRC This will be the first major NA* LAN that TB will be casting. Overall very good lineup and Anna can certainly handle the floor.
Well, if we don't count:
MLG Pro Circuit 2012 Spring Championship MLG Pro Circuit 2012 Summer Championship MLG Pro Circuit 2012 Fall Championship IPL 5
then yes you are right...
Maybe he mistook Total for Limp
Rofl, took me a while to get it :D
Axslav might be the saving grace for me. With more and more tournaments getting players to cast or discuss the games, this list is kind of lacking in that regard.
However, it will be veeeeeery entertaining, I really like all those casters. Especially Husky ♥
Overall I have mixed feelings about that line-up, so not that happy.
No Tastosis (Code S, I understand that one. HotS arrives and they want to cast that so bad.) No Apollo (What´s up with that MLG? Apollo and TotalBiscuit have such a great chemistry together? Wasn´t he available? Didn´t he have time?) No Rotterdam/Bitter (would love to see them more, now that they´re living in the US.)
Initially I was disappointed with the line up due to a lack of top level game knowledge, however I then remembered its a HOTS event, so even if Artosis and dApollo were there, no one is going to know what's going on ^^
Really like all these casters, i'm sure to enjoy this event, can't wait to see how incontrol works with the others, I find him so funny, easily one of my favorites.
On February 12 2013 08:26 Dodgin wrote: Out of all the casters on that list the only pairs I would really enjoy are TB/husky and axslav/axeltoss, oh well.
No Artosis, Apollo, Wolf, Khaldor or Rotterdam. Missing the top 5 I enjoy the most.
Thinking almost the same Also we want some solo Wolf madness
On February 12 2013 07:54 phipsL wrote: I know they're busy casting Code S, but i still miss Tastetosis
Reading between the lines (well, not even between the lines. . .) Tastosis drive a pretty hard deal.
Casters aren't nearly as big a deal as they were in the past so it's not surprising MLG cut the extra cost.
Why do you think casters aren't as big of a deal as they were in the past? I still care about it just as much as I always have.
Well, Sundance has said that analysis shows that now stream viewership is mostly determined by whose playing.
Maybe he's wrong or misrepresenting things, of course.
Well perhaps it was always that way, it doesn't mean people don't care about who is casting though. I think almost everyone still cares about it a lot. Look at all the heat that the Proleague guys have taken, the praise for Wolf's solo casting in GSL and how happy everyone was to have Tastosis back for Code S after not seeing them in anything since IPL5 ( wolf and khaldor did blizzard cup ).
Day9 and DJwheat are one of my favorite caster pairs. Interesting to see anna is a floor reporter, basicaly hot girl wandering around floor doing interviews lol. Axslav is awesome with anyone. Incontrol, I like him but i get sick of him.
On February 12 2013 08:56 HeeroFX wrote: Day9 and DJwheat are one of my favorite caster pairs. Interesting to see anna is a floor reporter, basicaly hot girl wandering around floor doing interviews lol. Axslav is awesome with anyone. Incontrol, I like him but i get sick of him.
She's not just some random hot girl. She might not have as much game knowledge as the average viewer, but she lives in a house full of progamers, and is very much immersed in the scene. Let's not pretend that she's a Lindsay Sporrer or something.
On February 12 2013 07:54 phipsL wrote: I know they're busy casting Code S, but i still miss Tastetosis
Reading between the lines (well, not even between the lines. . .) Tastosis drive a pretty hard deal.
Casters aren't nearly as big a deal as they were in the past so it's not surprising MLG cut the extra cost.
Why do you think casters aren't as big of a deal as they were in the past? I still care about it just as much as I always have.
Well, Sundance has said that analysis shows that now stream viewership is mostly determined by whose playing.
Maybe he's wrong or misrepresenting things, of course.
Overall that may be the case. It surely is mostly about whose playing. However, if I see Tastosis casting I rarely switch streams to other casters (only if there´s downtime) and personally, for me, only Apollo/TotalBiscuit can match that level. Other casters don´t even come close, because their chemistry and experience together isn´t as good.
DJWheat/Day[9] are classic MLG, so that´s perfect. I like them together, but still, Apollo/TotalBiscuit is such a great combo.
This is just my personal opinion though, because the best thing about Starcraft 2 casting is that there´s a lot of variety out there and I welcome that. Everyone has their favourites, after all.
PS: I rarely watch Proleague because I don´t like the casters at all. So it definately has some influence. But as a fan of Starcraft and eSports, MLG should not be missed, because even with the saturation out there, big tounaments are still very rare.
On February 12 2013 08:40 Zenbrez wrote: You could buy 3 tastosis' by releasing Day9. Talk about too expensive.
No you really couldn't. You are 50 shades of wrong.
Yup. If i remember correctly, it was Tasteless in Real Talk, who said it himself that MLG doesn't/can't pay them enough to come and cast an MLG event.
For starters, flying Day9 from California (or wherever he lives) to an MLG event is way cheaper than flying Tastosis from Korea.
I might be wrong, but I think I remember Tasteless saying that it wasn't worth it for him to go because he doesn't really need the money, but Artosis was more willing/eager to travel for tourneys because he has a kid. Not sure if that's still the case, though.
On February 12 2013 08:40 Zenbrez wrote: You could buy 3 tastosis' by releasing Day9. Talk about too expensive.
No you really couldn't. You are 50 shades of wrong.
Yup. If i remember correctly, it was Tasteless in Real Talk, who said it himself that MLG doesn't/can't pay them enough to come and cast an MLG event.
For starters, flying Day9 from California (or wherever he lives) to an MLG event is way cheaper than flying Tastosis from Korea.
I might be wrong, but I think I remember Tasteless saying that it wasn't worth it for him to go because he doesn't really need the money, but Artosis was more willing/eager to travel for tourneys because he has a kid. Not sure if that's still the case, though.
Well, you might be right there. But i have this image in my head that either, Artosis, Tasteless or Sundance has said that they are too expensive for MLG.
On February 12 2013 08:40 Zenbrez wrote: You could buy 3 tastosis' by releasing Day9. Talk about too expensive.
No you really couldn't. You are 50 shades of wrong.
Yup. If i remember correctly, it was Tasteless in Real Talk, who said it himself that MLG doesn't/can't pay them enough to come and cast an MLG event.
For starters, flying Day9 from California (or wherever he lives) to an MLG event is way cheaper than flying Tastosis from Korea.
I might be wrong, but I think I remember Tasteless saying that it wasn't worth it for him to go because he doesn't really need the money, but Artosis was more willing/eager to travel for tourneys because he has a kid. Not sure if that's still the case, though.
Well, you might be right there. But i have this image in my head that either, Artosis, Tasteless or Sundance has said that they are too expensive for MLG.
Correct me if i'm wrong though.
A lot of people on reddit seem to be saying that Sundance said on SotG a little while ago that Tastosis is too expensive to justify their costs, so I think you're right and just confused your sources?
Tastosis costs a lot of money because 1) They are the best 2) They have to be flown in from Korea which adds a significant amount to the overall price of using those casters.
On February 12 2013 08:40 Zenbrez wrote: You could buy 3 tastosis' by releasing Day9. Talk about too expensive.
No you really couldn't. You are 50 shades of wrong.
Yup. If i remember correctly, it was Tasteless in Real Talk, who said it himself that MLG doesn't/can't pay them enough to come and cast an MLG event.
For starters, flying Day9 from California (or wherever he lives) to an MLG event is way cheaper than flying Tastosis from Korea.
I might be wrong, but I think I remember Tasteless saying that it wasn't worth it for him to go because he doesn't really need the money, but Artosis was more willing/eager to travel for tourneys because he has a kid. Not sure if that's still the case, though.
Well, you might be right there. But i have this image in my head that either, Artosis, Tasteless or Sundance has said that they are too expensive for MLG.
Correct me if i'm wrong though.
A lot of people on reddit seem to be saying that Sundance said on SotG a little while ago that Tastosis is too expensive to justify their costs, so I think you're right and just confused your sources?
Well, I guess Sundance did the right thing then, not to include them. That surely does put things into perspective with regards to their decision. But Apollo? Why didn´t they invite him? Can someone from MLG say something about that? Apollo/TB would´ve been killer.
NASL made a joke that 25k was enough to pay day9 or half a weekend. Is 50k the true number for day9 or did they exaggerate for the day9's rich joke to be funnier?
Sundance did say that tastosis where asking for to much on sotg. But recently on climbing the ladder they've had the esports management group guy and husky on and I remember them saying that casters are payed to little and should be payed more to compare well with onscreen talent in other industries. He said it was absolutely not true casters were paid more than the prize pool so maybe the number is actually not that much.
I hope all the good casters don't leave esports to make millions in Hollywood or mainstream sports
On February 12 2013 09:17 coolcor wrote: NASL made a joke that 25k was enough to pay day9 or half a weekend. Is 50k the true number for day9 or did they exaggerate for the day9's rich joke to be funnier?
Sundance did say that tastosis where asking for to much on sotg. But recently on climbing the ladder they've had the esports management group guy and husky on and I remember them saying that casters are payed to little and should be payed more to compare well with onscreen talent in other industries.
I hope all the good casters don't leave esports to make millions in Hollywood or mainstream sports
Well, to be quite frank, if it comes to that point and only money is one´s sole motivation in life, they will not be missed with that attitude. Money can make you a pretty sad person. I don´t think that that´s going to happen in Starcraft though, at least I hope it doesn´t for the forseeable future.
On February 12 2013 08:02 TrippSC2 wrote: No Clutch?
Overall a good line-up, but if Clutch isn't there that's relatively surprising.
I'm not a fan of his "Bruce Buffer" style of announcing players. I'd be pretty happy if they had someone new to try and fill that role.
I'm very excited for Axslav!! I also hope they have a couple of pro's for post game analysis like qxc at Katowice. I
I like Clutch, IMHO he presented the KesPa players amazingly well. TotalBiscuit would be a welcome surprise as an announcer, too. Or Redeye, he´s awesome. But I am not sure of that is already out of the question, because he is with ESL.
On February 12 2013 09:55 ShAdZ_ZX wrote: Any casting line-up without either Artosis, Apollo or Wolf is pretty weak imo.
Doesn't fit my personal, entirely subjective preference
therefore weak
nice argument
I'm personally fine with the lineup, but couldn't one objectively say those 3 are the best at analysis, and therefore the lineup is objectively weak on analysis, which might be important for good casting?
On February 12 2013 09:55 ShAdZ_ZX wrote: Any casting line-up without either Artosis, Apollo or Wolf is pretty weak imo.
Doesn't fit my personal, entirely subjective preference
therefore weak
nice argument
I'm personally fine with the lineup, but couldn't one objectively say those 3 are the best at analysis, and therefore the lineup is objectively weak on analysis, which might be important for good casting?
No because the two best analysts in the scene are artosis and day9 and 1 of them will be there.
On February 12 2013 09:55 ShAdZ_ZX wrote: Any casting line-up without either Artosis, Apollo or Wolf is pretty weak imo.
Doesn't fit my personal, entirely subjective preference
therefore weak
nice argument
I'm personally fine with the lineup, but couldn't one objectively say those 3 are the best at analysis, and therefore the lineup is objectively weak on analysis, which might be important for good casting?
No you can't objectively say that because the only criteria you are applying are subjective points.
Not to mention analysis in the first HotS tournament is something of a moot point. The entire game is in a state of flux and you'll probably find that at least for a little while, analysis is going to be along the lines of "this looks like some kind of... 4 gateway rush"
Day9xHusky is awesome and Axel/Axslav who've been doing the showdowns recently have been great.
The only major one missing that'd make it awesome for me is Apollo as Apollo/TB / Husky or Day9 work really well together. Infact, I think it's just Apollo works great with anyone. :p
On February 12 2013 09:55 ShAdZ_ZX wrote: Any casting line-up without either Artosis, Apollo or Wolf is pretty weak imo.
Doesn't fit my personal, entirely subjective preference
therefore weak
nice argument
I'm personally fine with the lineup, but couldn't one objectively say those 3 are the best at analysis, and therefore the lineup is objectively weak on analysis, which might be important for good casting?
I couldn't care less about analysis, i'm starting to understand the damn game since a while now. I like Artosis and Apollo because they're genuinely funny as fuck, and not because they've an undisputed knowledge.
On February 12 2013 09:55 ShAdZ_ZX wrote: Any casting line-up without either Artosis, Apollo or Wolf is pretty weak imo.
Doesn't fit my personal, entirely subjective preference
therefore weak
nice argument
Artosis, Apollo and Wolf are the best analytical casters right now, there is little debate about that.
And all of them are in different countries and probably not interested.
Incontrol can actually provide some good analysis (depends on whether or not he is being goofy - which is a funny, so it's fine), and Day9 can also provide great analysis. Day9 just alternates between commentary styles so people don't put him into either category.
People worrying about lack of analytic casters (ie Artosis and Apollo) yet MLG has iNcontroL, someone who has played the game at a higher level than pretty much any other caster. Same with Axslav.
I don't care much for analysis in casters anyway. Most of the time the calls and predictions are wrong, I rather much be entertained. TB, Husky, and Day9 do an excellent job at entertaining; hopefully we see Idra vs Flash. Hopefully it will recapture some of the magic that was Idra vs Boxer in Orlando.
I vaguely remember Artosis mentioning that he was going to switch to HoTS like a few days ago -- so even if he was there, it wouldn't be much of a thing.
i'm more worried that the quality of games aren't going to be that good because the people that are playing are pros, and they need to win; therefore they must do whatever works best or whatever. I'm worried that we'll see old strats more frequently than the newer stuff that could be possible because of the fact that the game just came out and some of those guys stuck to WoL. A tourney that is more into the release of the game might make for more robust strategies and whatnot -- however, w/ regards to entertainment, I think we might see some pretty cool gimmicks, or the same stuff from a while ago.
On February 12 2013 09:55 ShAdZ_ZX wrote: Any casting line-up without either Artosis, Apollo or Wolf is pretty weak imo.
Doesn't fit my personal, entirely subjective preference
therefore weak
nice argument
I'm personally fine with the lineup, but couldn't one objectively say those 3 are the best at analysis, and therefore the lineup is objectively weak on analysis, which might be important for good casting?
I couldn't care less about analysis, i'm starting to understand the damn game since a while now. I like Artosis and Apollo because they're genuinely funny as fuck, and not because they've an undisputed knowledge.
There are many who disagree, including myself. For me, its not a case of them explaining (at a basic level) what is happening on screen to me, I have been watching SC2 at the absolute highest level for years now, I don't need to be told. Its about the caster commentating the game as it plays out, and having a full understanding of what has happened, what is happening, and how that will effect the game later on, and having that knowledge flow through their cast.
There are very, VERY few caster who can do this. Wolf, Artosis, Apollo and Day9 are in this category.
Well, the ONLY time I have it mute OFF (so I hear the casters) is when it's Wolf/Khaldor, Incontrol, or any pro-gamer. Otherwise, it's always muted. On very rare occasion, I'll leave it un-muted and listen to how stupid the "popular" casters can be, just for kicks, ya know?
Also, if they are going to have any female whatsoever it should definitely be Soe, because she's not a complete idiot (or someone who is just fanservice herpderp).
Please, keep Incontrol casting as much as possible. He's funny and experienced enough (SC2-wise) that he's actually worth watching.
Not a fan at all of total biscuit, but really excited about the rest of them. DJ and day9 are great. Husky really came into his own so I am excited to hear him cast again.
Super excited and I cannot wait to cast this event!
With no open bracket and me not garnering enough points to qualify through last year being able to cast at MLG Dallas is a dream come true.. I love competing but if I can't compete casting is a close second.
Comments about analytic casting are understandable but I don't think you will have to worry too much.. while Artosis/Apollo are never anything but an absolute upgrade to any casting lineup a few of us are working with hots on a regular basis.. speaking for myself I play it 5-8 hours a day with less and less WoL sprinkled in there. When I am not playing I am watching vods/streams etc.. we got ya covered!
On February 12 2013 12:02 iNcontroL wrote: Super excited and I cannot wait to cast this event!
With no open bracket and me not garnering enough points to qualify through last year being able to cast at MLG Dallas is a dream come true.. I love competing but if I can't compete casting is a close second.
Comments about analytic casting are understandable but I don't think you will have to worry too much.. while Artosis/Apollo are never anything but an absolute upgrade to any casting lineup a few of us are working with hots on a regular basis.. speaking for myself I play it 5-8 hours a day with less and less WoL sprinkled in there. When I am not playing I am watching vods/streams etc.. we got ya covered!
Awesome, look forward to hearing it. When you cast with confidence you cast quite well!
On February 12 2013 12:02 iNcontroL wrote: Super excited and I cannot wait to cast this event!
With no open bracket and me not garnering enough points to qualify through last year being able to cast at MLG Dallas is a dream come true.. I love competing but if I can't compete casting is a close second.
Comments about analytic casting are understandable but I don't think you will have to worry too much.. while Artosis/Apollo are never anything but an absolute upgrade to any casting lineup a few of us are working with hots on a regular basis.. speaking for myself I play it 5-8 hours a day with less and less WoL sprinkled in there. When I am not playing I am watching vods/streams etc.. we got ya covered!
I'm glad iNcontroL will be casting and Anna Prosser will by the reporter on the floor! also the rest of the casters are pretty cool lololol Tastosis too expensive for poor MLG...
Well perhaps it was always that way, it doesn't mean people don't care about who is casting though. I think almost everyone still cares about it a lot. Look at all the heat that the Proleague guys have taken, the praise for Wolf's solo casting in GSL and how happy everyone was to have Tastosis back for Code S after not seeing them in anything since IPL5 ( wolf and khaldor did blizzard cup ).
Casting i feel is still a pretty big deal, proleague guys were kind of new to me so i cant really say one way or another for them.
However my personal feelings regarding WOLF and KHALDOR is i cant stand listening to them duo cast, but i really enjoy listening to them solo cast. I am not trying to be offensive or anything but i feel like when they are doing code a they spend most of the game making jokes while some plays are going on that are important to cast and discuss why the player was making said decision over another. Instead they tend to find themselves offtrack a lot with their banter and when they catch themselves, half of the game is over or the important things that were a large deciding factor like the winners play-style or build orders vs his opponent. And their play by play together is a little lackluster.
Now don't get me wrong, these two when solo casting have nothing else to focus on but the game and their casting quality is much greater. Now joking isn't the problem because everyone wants to have fun while trying to watch the game and learn as well, but if it is too excessive then it takes away from quality of the match being played and the players playing said match. Some may say Tastosis makes jokes so that's no reason to comment on KHAL/WOLF casting style, which in part is true.
But i feel like Tastosis better knows the appropriate times to make jokes and when to focus on the game.(ie. quick 3hatch vs FFE perfect time to joke for a min or so. Middle of a move out and gearing for attack is not.) To be completely honest the banter between WOLF and KHALDOR has gotten so distracting and sometimes annoying that i have to watch GSL Code A on low volume or muted with music playing simply because i cant focus on the game over the banter.
The reason i think most like Tastosis the best, simply comes from their years of experience both playing the game and casting the game together which makes for much greater synergy when. I personally am sad they will not be attending but such a far distance for a weekend tourney is a lot of logistics to compensate for the 2, so them being absent during this event makes sense. The rest of the caster line-up for this tourney looks good in my opinion. :D
Anyways this isn't a bash post or anything but more-so an observation on the casting styles of different casters, feel free to comment on this whether you agree/disagree with my perspective on Khaldor and Wolf as a duo vs. them as solo casters, I am interested in seeing if others feel this way or if its just me
edit: I feel like my opinion of Khal/Wolf may seem low on this post, but in truth i feel they have improved quite a bit since starting and i commend them for that.
On February 12 2013 13:52 Doodsmack wrote: Saying "I'm entitled to my opinion" is not a response to an argument you know.
Oooh careful, that's how to REALLY get people riled up. "What do you mean, 'its my opinion' it's an automatic end to every argument/debate? The internet told me I mattered!"
On February 12 2013 08:40 Zenbrez wrote: You could buy 3 tastosis' by releasing Day9. Talk about too expensive.
No you really couldn't. You are 50 shades of wrong.
Yup. If i remember correctly, it was Tasteless in Real Talk, who said it himself that MLG doesn't/can't pay them enough to come and cast an MLG event.
For starters, flying Day9 from California (or wherever he lives) to an MLG event is way cheaper than flying Tastosis from Korea.
I might be wrong, but I think I remember Tasteless saying that it wasn't worth it for him to go because he doesn't really need the money, but Artosis was more willing/eager to travel for tourneys because he has a kid. Not sure if that's still the case, though.
Well, you might be right there. But i have this image in my head that either, Artosis, Tasteless or Sundance has said that they are too expensive for MLG.
Correct me if i'm wrong though.
A lot of people on reddit seem to be saying that Sundance said on SotG a little while ago that Tastosis is too expensive to justify their costs, so I think you're right and just confused your sources?
Well, I guess Sundance did the right thing then, not to include them. That surely does put things into perspective with regards to their decision. But Apollo? Why didn´t they invite him? Can someone from MLG say something about that? Apollo/TB would´ve been killer.
If you take a good look at that list, you will find all casters have something really important to MLG in common: They all live in the USA, and as such international flights need not be expended.
On February 12 2013 09:55 ShAdZ_ZX wrote: Any casting line-up without either Artosis, Apollo or Wolf is pretty weak imo.
Doesn't fit my personal, entirely subjective preference
therefore weak
nice argument
Is English not your first language? Or perhaps you don't know how opinions work? Because I'm simply stating mine.
Saying "I'm entitled to my opinion" is not a response to an argument you know.
There is no argument. People aren't expected to explain themselves whenever they state something. There is no reason to get upset just because some random person on the internet doesn't like your favourite caster. Feel free to take your sarcastic, passive aggressive comments elsewhere.
Edit: For the record, if you'd have asked why I felt that way, I happily would have told you. At which point, if you didn't agree, you would retort. That's how an argument works. Not that it matters at all, because an opinion based on personal preference is exactly that. Personal preference. There is no right or wrong.
On February 12 2013 13:52 Doodsmack wrote: Saying "I'm entitled to my opinion" is not a response to an argument you know.
Oooh careful, that's how to REALLY get people riled up. "What do you mean, 'its my opinion' it's an automatic end to every argument/debate? The internet told me I mattered!"
TB, you and Incontrol are my favorite casters. Gonna force all my friends to watch you two commentate as always <3
Man if Incontrol casts with Husky....be so funny xD Bit protoss bias! but still very cool xD
No Tastosis which is understandable but should be fun :D
Also i would like to add that these tournaments need to start fixating on a group of casters. MLG changes every event which is rather annoying for people who like caster "x" or caster "y". I mean the original casters for MLG where fine, dating back to the time of SC2 release in 2011/2012. Nothing wrong with Day9 Wheat Husky Artosis Tasteless that they had back then. Now more and more get added, then get taken away, then get re added, then get taken away. Makes for a bit of annoyance i guess for the people who like certain people. Guess it might be a settled caster line up in 2013 though as this is event no1.
Axeltoss is such a great caster, especially together with Axslav. I hope they get a lot of airtime, of course Incontrol is always fun to listen to too.
On February 12 2013 12:02 iNcontroL wrote: Super excited and I cannot wait to cast this event!
With no open bracket and me not garnering enough points to qualify through last year being able to cast at MLG Dallas is a dream come true.. I love competing but if I can't compete casting is a close second.
Comments about analytic casting are understandable but I don't think you will have to worry too much.. while Artosis/Apollo are never anything but an absolute upgrade to any casting lineup a few of us are working with hots on a regular basis.. speaking for myself I play it 5-8 hours a day with less and less WoL sprinkled in there. When I am not playing I am watching vods/streams etc.. we got ya covered!
This is great news to hear :D I love your casting for WoL and I believe your casting for HoTS will be just as good :D :D
Would have prefered Tastosis, Apollo, Khaldor, Wolf or BitterdaM over most of the announced guys, but I can see, why they are there. I hope iNc and TB get a lot of games.
On February 13 2013 01:06 Qwerty85 wrote: Personally I would rather have Apollo instead of DjWheat, his voice is very annoying. Also, Soe would be great instead of Anna, she has more charisma
Soe is amazing cause she knows the game actually and I love how she presents stuff, she can really pull of the hosting role in esports. But I don't think we'll ever see her at an MLG. I imagine incontrol and anna come as a pair lol
On February 13 2013 01:06 Qwerty85 wrote: Personally I would rather have Apollo instead of DjWheat, his voice is very annoying. Also, Soe would be great instead of Anna, she has more charisma
Soe is amazing cause she knows the game actually and I love how she presents stuff, she can really pull of the hosting role in esports. Not to mention she is super cute! But I don't think we'll ever see her at an MLG. I imagine incontrol and anna come as a pair lol.
On February 13 2013 01:25 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: iNcontroL and Axslav, yes please I wish Artosis and Apollo could have come too.
Is it officially the case that Clutch won't be appearing?
I haven't seen or read anything. As said above, he might be the host while Anna is doing the interviews/floor stuff.
On February 12 2013 22:24 Alpina wrote: incontrol - great! TB - nice!
but why no dApollo and Wolf? two best casters ever
It's way expensive to fly out people from Europe and Korea. So when you have a chance to get known and decent casters from US, you can save a lot. Wolf is probably busy with GSL though.
On February 13 2013 01:29 xwoGworwaTsx wrote: At least Incontrol is still involved in the Esports scene even after he retired due to his marriage. Excited for this!
On February 13 2013 01:29 xwoGworwaTsx wrote: At least Incontrol is still involved in the Esports scene even after he retired due to his marriage. Excited for this!
rofl. when did Incontrol say he retired? And what marriage has to do with this?
On February 13 2013 01:25 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: iNcontroL and Axslav, yes please I wish Artosis and Apollo could have come too.
Is it officially the case that Clutch won't be appearing?
I haven't seen or read anything. As said above, he might be the host while Anna is doing the interviews/floor stuff.
Thanks I hope he's still around. And yeah, to touch upon what you had said earlier in the thread, Sundance had said a while back in an interview (I'm not sure if it was on SOTG, but I do recall him saying it) that Tastosis was unfortunately too expensive to bring back, and that was the reason why Dan and Nick aren't casting MLG (no bad blood afaik).
On February 13 2013 01:29 xwoGworwaTsx wrote: At least Incontrol is still involved in the Esports scene even after he retired due to his marriage. Excited for this!
Definitely did not retire, and it certainly wouldn't be because of his marriage.
On February 12 2013 12:02 iNcontroL wrote: Super excited and I cannot wait to cast this event!
With no open bracket and me not garnering enough points to qualify through last year being able to cast at MLG Dallas is a dream come true.. I love competing but if I can't compete casting is a close second.
Comments about analytic casting are understandable but I don't think you will have to worry too much.. while Artosis/Apollo are never anything but an absolute upgrade to any casting lineup a few of us are working with hots on a regular basis.. speaking for myself I play it 5-8 hours a day with less and less WoL sprinkled in there. When I am not playing I am watching vods/streams etc.. we got ya covered!
Congrats on this job! I feel bad that your progaming career is finally over and was unsuccessful, but hey, as you said, casting is a close second. Goodluck with this new endeavor and I hope you will be successful as a caster!
also wtf! incontrol is still playing! wow i was so sad when i thought he already retired due to his unsuccessful career and maybe to focus on marriage. good thing! now im more than excited to watch one of my favorite personalities in esports!
On February 12 2013 07:54 phipsL wrote: I know they're busy casting Code S, but i still miss Tastetosis
Reading between the lines (well, not even between the lines. . .) Tastosis drive a pretty hard deal.
Casters aren't nearly as big a deal as they were in the past so it's not surprising MLG cut the extra cost.
Why do you think casters aren't as big of a deal as they were in the past? I still care about it just as much as I always have.
I think the point is that while it is still very important to have good casters, it is not as important to get a specific caster as it used to be. Back in the days it felt like having Day9 as main caster was more important than having good players. Nowadays there are far more competent casters. Personally i am just as happy to see Apollo or Rotterdam as i am to see Day9.
aww, cant he just make a thread on reddit, without consulting the organization, to use the communities pressure to put someone out of a job and get a fat pay check again?
On February 12 2013 07:54 phipsL wrote: I know they're busy casting Code S, but i still miss Tastetosis
Reading between the lines (well, not even between the lines. . .) Tastosis drive a pretty hard deal.
Casters aren't nearly as big a deal as they were in the past so it's not surprising MLG cut the extra cost.
Why do you think casters aren't as big of a deal as they were in the past? I still care about it just as much as I always have.
I think the point is that while it is still very important to have good casters, it is not as important to get a specific caster as it used to be. Back in the days it felt like having Day9 as main caster was more important than having good players. Nowadays there are far more competent casters. Personally i am just as happy to see Apollo or Rotterdam as i am to see Day9.
So true. I remember when I wont even bother with an event if it werent casted by Tastosis9. But there are a lot of talents right now, and we can even say that Day9 is not even among the top anymore. Anyone is just about as good as anyone, save a few.
By the way, all Americans, right? I was hoping rotterdam was in.
aww, cant he just make a thread on reddit, without consulting the organization, to use the communities pressure to put someone out of a job and get a fat pay check again?
I hope this doesnt become the esports drama of the week.
On February 13 2013 01:45 obsidia wrote: annoying to see incontrol worm his way into the caster role, over much better and more professional casters
and anna has always been awkward as hell with forced enthusism and excitement
InControl's casting is actually quite good and he's one of the more amusing casters (imo) when there isn't anything exciting going on in the match. The only real cringe-worthy moment of InControl's casting that I can recall was when he and Apollo were discussing the royal family. I wasn't at all a fan of his as a player, but as a caster he does a fantastic job. The dude oozes charisma.
And you think any of the other women that they hire to be eye candy for the sad ogling male heavy masses are any less forced in their excitement and enthusiasm? If anything Anna is less so as she spends a great deal of her time in a house filled with pro gamers. Not to mention that she actually has personality instead of just a blank vapid stare and smile.
On February 13 2013 01:55 ComaDose wrote: aww, cant he just make a thread on reddit, without consulting the organization, to use the communities pressure to put someone out of a job and get a fat pay check again?
Hahahaha, you think there's a lot of money in this
On February 13 2013 01:45 obsidia wrote: annoying to see incontrol worm his way into the caster role, over much better and more professional casters
Get back to us once you've actually watched him cast a game. Thanks.
ye I normally have to close the stream
Darn, that must be rough. You should use the mute button. I hear (and don't take this as fact because it is just what I have heard) that is turns off the noise comming from your PC and then you can watch the game without having to listen. If it works the way I understand it to, you should be able to watch the match without hearing Incontrol's voice. I know that can be a real problem for some people.
But who am I kidding, trolls don't watch MGL. They live under bridges, post on reddit and stalk the members of EG like that horrible, spiteful ex-girlfriend I had in college.
On February 13 2013 03:04 nihlon wrote: It's kind of funny how most caster threads turn out exactly the same.
We all read them just to laugh. Everytime casters are announced it's an excuse for people to say "oh hey, I like these guys, don't like these guys" and provide no other reasoning. It's one of the biggest low-effort circlejerks on Teamliquid.
On February 13 2013 03:04 nihlon wrote: It's kind of funny how most caster threads turn out exactly the same.
You mean like:
Caster 1: I think he sucks Caster 2: I think he sucks Caster 3: I think he sucks Caster 4: YAY! Caster 5: I think he kicks puppies. Why couldn't we have ::input retired caster, banned caster, random celebrity, and porn star here:: help with the commentary? They'd be sooo good!
On February 13 2013 03:04 nihlon wrote: It's kind of funny how most caster threads turn out exactly the same.
We all read them just to laugh. Everytime casters are announced it's an excuse for people to say "oh hey, I like these guys, don't like these guys" and provide no other reasoning. It's one of the biggest low-effort circlejerks on Teamliquid.
On February 13 2013 03:04 nihlon wrote: It's kind of funny how most caster threads turn out exactly the same.
We all read them just to laugh. Everytime casters are announced it's an excuse for people to say "oh hey, I like these guys, don't like these guys" and provide no other reasoning. It's one of the biggest low-effort circlejerks on Teamliquid.
And most circlejerks on Teamliquid are really low-effort as it is. The caster threads are the lowest of the low.
On February 13 2013 03:04 nihlon wrote: It's kind of funny how most caster threads turn out exactly the same.
We all read them just to laugh. Everytime casters are announced it's an excuse for people to say "oh hey, I like these guys, don't like these guys" and provide no other reasoning. It's one of the biggest low-effort circlejerks on Teamliquid.
Wouldn't it have to be a vast majority agreement on something for it to qualify as a "cirklejerk"? I don't really see that in this thread.
On February 13 2013 03:04 nihlon wrote: It's kind of funny how most caster threads turn out exactly the same.
We all read them just to laugh. Everytime casters are announced it's an excuse for people to say "oh hey, I like these guys, don't like these guys" and provide no other reasoning. It's one of the biggest low-effort circlejerks on Teamliquid.
Wouldn't it have to be a vast majority agreement on something for it to qualify as a "cirklejerk"? I don't really see that in this thread.
This thread seems really positive to me and most people seem to be quite or really happy. But I guess it's easy to focus on the negative
On February 13 2013 03:04 nihlon wrote: It's kind of funny how most caster threads turn out exactly the same.
We all read them just to laugh. Everytime casters are announced it's an excuse for people to say "oh hey, I like these guys, don't like these guys" and provide no other reasoning. It's one of the biggest low-effort circlejerks on Teamliquid.
Wouldn't it have to be a vast majority agreement on something for it to qualify as a "cirklejerk"? I don't really see that in this thread.
This thread seems really positive to me and most people seem to be quite or really happy. But I guess it's easy to focus on the negative
Well the negative posts are the most amusing, with their poor arguments and lack of reasoning. I mean, this is the internet, there is some pretty dumb stuff that is also very funny.
On February 13 2013 03:04 nihlon wrote: It's kind of funny how most caster threads turn out exactly the same.
We all read them just to laugh. Everytime casters are announced it's an excuse for people to say "oh hey, I like these guys, don't like these guys" and provide no other reasoning. It's one of the biggest low-effort circlejerks on Teamliquid.
Wouldn't it have to be a vast majority agreement on something for it to qualify as a "cirklejerk"? I don't really see that in this thread.
This thread seems really positive to me and most people seem to be quite or really happy. But I guess it's easy to focus on the negative
Well the negative posts are the most amusing, with their poor arguments and lack of reasoning. I mean, this is the internet, there is some pretty dumb stuff that is also very funny.
On February 13 2013 01:55 ComaDose wrote: aww, cant he just make a thread on reddit, without consulting the organization, to use the communities pressure to put someone out of a job and get a fat pay check again?
Hahahaha, you think there's a lot of money in this
Maybe I shouldn't have said fat pay check. It was more for the joke about how he did that for NASL 3.
I'm probably one of the only people on TL it seems that like TotalBiscuit's casting. The point of casting is to make the game exciting and he really knows how to give the game a kick. He has a very commanding voice and I always feel like a game is more epic with him casting.
On February 13 2013 03:04 nihlon wrote: It's kind of funny how most caster threads turn out exactly the same.
You mean like:
Caster 1: I think he sucks Caster 2: I think he sucks Caster 3: I think he sucks Caster 4: YAY! Caster 5: I think he kicks puppies. Why couldn't we have ::input retired caster, banned caster, random celebrity, and porn star here:: help with the commentary? They'd be sooo good!
???
Who needs to bash casters when casters bash the tournament they'll be casting!
On February 13 2013 04:44 Novalisk wrote: Not a whole lot of analysts, but I guess that's ok because it is the first HotS tourney after all.
Yeah, I don't know if the all the "Good analysts" actually have enough experience with HoTS to actually provide unique and valuable enough insight. That's not saying that I wouldn't love Tastosis or Apollo at MLG, but I'm just saying that it may be worth it to switch up the line-ups once in a while, especially with a game as new as HoTS.
On February 12 2013 09:30 a3den wrote: Seems alright as long as they don't let Husky cast without an analyst and a dedicated obs.
Why single out Husky?
Besides Incontrol/Axslav (aka players) they are all pretty much the same... game knowledge wise that is.
Because I recently watched a random HotS VOD on Husky's channel and it was probably the worst observed game I've ever seen combined with some the worst analysis.
Yes he's got a nice personality, he can be witty, but he makes a lot factual errors while completely ignoring the minimap.
On February 13 2013 03:04 nihlon wrote: It's kind of funny how most caster threads turn out exactly the same.
We all read them just to laugh. Everytime casters are announced it's an excuse for people to say "oh hey, I like these guys, don't like these guys" and provide no other reasoning. It's one of the biggest low-effort circlejerks on Teamliquid.
Maybe circle jerks should be moderated more carefully? I'm wondering what would happen if that were the case. I noticed that when something happens to certain organizations, people come out of the wood work to say "Hahah yeah ____ sucks!" or "I've never liked _____ and this just shows I'm right!".
I guess it's all a matter of opinion. The moderation for the degree to which you express your negative views is lax? I mean, it's still stricter than reddit (king of cjs imo), I dunno if stricter modding would be too much censorship.
On February 13 2013 05:16 monx wrote: husky is for the casuals not the hardcore. We need him if we want SC2 to grow. Same for other more fluffy casters like TB etc.
Maybe in Wol beta husky was clueless and casual caster, but now he really improved and is quite a good.
On February 13 2013 05:16 monx wrote: husky is for the casuals not the hardcore. We need him if we want SC2 to grow. Same for other more fluffy casters like TB etc.
You're calling the guy that (with his wife) started a SC2 team "fluffy"?...
Although he shouldn't, I'm glad TB is posting here - I'll probably watch MLG because of him.
There is no argument. People aren't expected to explain themselves whenever they state something.
Really? Because in my experience they are, otherwise their contribution is worth nothing.
So everyone who posts "Wow, this is a great line-up!" is then expected to explain why? Sorry dude, I have a lot of respect for you but that logic is stupid.
There is no argument. People aren't expected to explain themselves whenever they state something.
Really? Because in my experience they are, otherwise their contribution is worth nothing.
So everyone who posts "Wow, this is a great line-up!" is then expected to explain why? Sorry dude, I have a lot of respect for you but that logic is stupid.
My logic is "don't shitpost". It's not difficult to grasp logic, it's applied to many good forums. Low-content nonsense is absolutely worthless to discussions, clogs up the forum and makes it harder to read. It's universally bad and everyone should stop doing it, everywhere.
On February 13 2013 05:16 monx wrote: husky is for the casuals not the hardcore. We need him if we want SC2 to grow. Same for other more fluffy casters like TB etc.
You're calling the guy that (with his wife) started a SC2 team "fluffy"?...
Although he shouldn't, I'm glad TB is posting here - I'll probably watch MLG because of him.
Agree. TB is one of the few casters that can properly hype you when watching a game, I wouldn't call him fluffy.
There is no argument. People aren't expected to explain themselves whenever they state something.
Really? Because in my experience they are, otherwise their contribution is worth nothing.
So everyone who posts "Wow, this is a great line-up!" is then expected to explain why? Sorry dude, I have a lot of respect for you but that logic is stupid.
My logic is "don't shitpost". It's not difficult to grasp logic, it's applied to many good forums. Low-content nonsense is absolutely worthless to discussions, clogs up the forum and makes it harder to read. It's universally bad and everyone should stop doing it, everywhere.
You're right, but my comment was hardly a "shit post". It wasn't inflammatory, it wasn't putting anyone down; I was simply sharing my reaction to the caster line-up, in exactly the same way that everyone else in the first few pages was sharing theirs.
I kinda really enjoy the analytical casters way more than the play by play/hype type of casters. In that regard, that's really disapointing for me. Sure, Day9/Axslav are good for that. InControL is really good too.
I really need at least an analytical caster in the duo to enjoy the cast. Looks like most games will not even have one.
They really need to bring at least Artosis or Wolf or Khaldor or Apollo next event.
I'm not saying that DjWheat/TB/Husky are not good. They are. But they kind of need someone with them to step up the game knowledge in my book.
Negative low content posts should be way more frowned upon than positive ones.
And I think that the people who would tune in to MLG for tastosis or apollo are probably going to watch anyway, whereas tb, day9, djwheat, husky have more independent fanbases (maybe).
On February 13 2013 06:28 Xalorian wrote: I kinda really enjoy the analytical casters way more than the play by play/hype type of casters. In that regard, that's really disapointing for me. Sure, Day9/Axslav are good for that. InControL is really good too.
I really need at least an analytical caster in the duo to enjoy the cast. Looks like most games will not even have one.
They really need to bring at least Artosis or Wolf or Khaldor or Apollo next event.
I'm not saying that DjWheat/TB/Husky are not good. They are. But they kind of need someone with them to step up the game knowledge in my book.
You just said 3/7 of the casters have good game knowledge but you're "really disappointed" by the lack of analytical casters. Then you implied that Wolf and Khaldor have better game knowledge than Day9, Axslav and Incontrol. You're not making too much sense, sir.
On February 13 2013 06:28 Xalorian wrote: I kinda really enjoy the analytical casters way more than the play by play/hype type of casters. In that regard, that's really disapointing for me. Sure, Day9/Axslav are good for that. InControL is really good too.
I really need at least an analytical caster in the duo to enjoy the cast. Looks like most games will not even have one.
They really need to bring at least Artosis or Wolf or Khaldor or Apollo next event.
I'm not saying that DjWheat/TB/Husky are not good. They are. But they kind of need someone with them to step up the game knowledge in my book.
You just said 3/7 of the casters have good game knowledge but you're "really disappointed" by the lack of analytical casters. Then you implied that Wolf and Khaldor have better game knowledge than Day9, Axslav and Incontrol. You're not making too much sense, sir.
3/7 of the casters having good game knowledge is enough for you and is not disappointing? That's not even one per match probably, lol.
And I said : "They really need to bring one of those : Wolf, Khaldor, Artosis, Apollo". Never said than ANY of those had better knowledge than Day9/Axslav/InControL, only implied that they were good analytical casters too and that more of those was needed, to replace one of the not so analytical or to add one more to at least get one per duo.
You are the one not making senses/not reading properly.
On February 13 2013 06:28 Xalorian wrote: I kinda really enjoy the analytical casters way more than the play by play/hype type of casters. In that regard, that's really disapointing for me. Sure, Day9/Axslav are good for that. InControL is really good too.
I really need at least an analytical caster in the duo to enjoy the cast. Looks like most games will not even have one.
They really need to bring at least Artosis or Wolf or Khaldor or Apollo next event.
I'm not saying that DjWheat/TB/Husky are not good. They are. But they kind of need someone with them to step up the game knowledge in my book.
You just said 3/7 of the casters have good game knowledge but you're "really disappointed" by the lack of analytical casters. Then you implied that Wolf and Khaldor have better game knowledge than Day9, Axslav and Incontrol. You're not making too much sense, sir.
3/7 of the casters having good game knowledge is enough for you and is not disappointing? That's not even one per match probably, lol.
And I said : "They really need to bring one of those : Wolf, Khaldor, Artosis, Apollo". Never said than ANY of those had better knowledge than Day9/Axslav/InControL, only implied that they were good analytical casters too and that more of those was needed, to replace one of the not so analytical or to add one more to at least get one per duo.
You are the one not making senses/not reading properly.
Nah that's quite clearly one per match, you're always going to pair an analyst with a play-by-play unless you're stupid and don't know how to run a show. The balance is absolutely fine.
On February 13 2013 06:28 Xalorian wrote: I kinda really enjoy the analytical casters way more than the play by play/hype type of casters. In that regard, that's really disapointing for me. Sure, Day9/Axslav are good for that. InControL is really good too.
I really need at least an analytical caster in the duo to enjoy the cast. Looks like most games will not even have one.
They really need to bring at least Artosis or Wolf or Khaldor or Apollo next event.
I'm not saying that DjWheat/TB/Husky are not good. They are. But they kind of need someone with them to step up the game knowledge in my book.
Imo all casters announced (didn't heard Axeltoss casting though) are quite good on analytical side, so not sure what you expect. Either way it will be by far better than proleague casting (no offense^^).
I always wandering if I am the only one who is bothered by the way DJWheat speaks, I mean, essentially by the way he enunciates words : it sounds to me like a long and boring mumble no matter what he says.
What I'm wondering about is if it's something link to him or to me : I mean, after all, as I'm French and not absolutely fluent in English, I do feel uneasy with lots of enunciation in English just because it's harder sometimes, depending on accentuation and so forth, to grasp meaning and emotion. An American view on his way of talking is welcomed...
On February 13 2013 06:28 Xalorian wrote: I kinda really enjoy the analytical casters way more than the play by play/hype type of casters. In that regard, that's really disapointing for me. Sure, Day9/Axslav are good for that. InControL is really good too.
I really need at least an analytical caster in the duo to enjoy the cast. Looks like most games will not even have one.
They really need to bring at least Artosis or Wolf or Khaldor or Apollo next event.
I'm not saying that DjWheat/TB/Husky are not good. They are. But they kind of need someone with them to step up the game knowledge in my book.
You just said 3/7 of the casters have good game knowledge but you're "really disappointed" by the lack of analytical casters. Then you implied that Wolf and Khaldor have better game knowledge than Day9, Axslav and Incontrol. You're not making too much sense, sir.
You are not making too much sense...have you heard Wolf solo cast? Both groups are similar in terms of game knowledge. Day9 doesn't do analytical casts at all, whether he's actually highly knowledgeable is irrelevant because his casts are very casual and newbie friendly (which works for some people, different strokes for different folks). It does suck to see no Apollo, Artosis, Rotti or even Grubby (too good to be a caster now :/)
On February 13 2013 06:28 Xalorian wrote: I kinda really enjoy the analytical casters way more than the play by play/hype type of casters. In that regard, that's really disapointing for me. Sure, Day9/Axslav are good for that. InControL is really good too.
I really need at least an analytical caster in the duo to enjoy the cast. Looks like most games will not even have one.
They really need to bring at least Artosis or Wolf or Khaldor or Apollo next event.
I'm not saying that DjWheat/TB/Husky are not good. They are. But they kind of need someone with them to step up the game knowledge in my book.
You just said 3/7 of the casters have good game knowledge but you're "really disappointed" by the lack of analytical casters. Then you implied that Wolf and Khaldor have better game knowledge than Day9, Axslav and Incontrol. You're not making too much sense, sir.
You are not making too much sense...have you heard Wolf solo cast? Both groups are similar in terms of game knowledge. Day9 doesn't do analytical casts at all, whether he's actually highly knowledgeable is irrelevant because his casts are very casual and newbie friendly (which works for some people, different strokes for different folks). It does suck to see no Apollo, Artosis, Rotti or even Grubby (too good to be a caster now :/)
You didn't dispute my statement at all so I'm not sure why you would say I'm not making sense. I said Wolf and Khaldor don't have better game knowledge. And by the way Axlsav destroys them in the game knowledge department. This caster lineup is just fine.