I'm actually glad that Greg was fired, you can't behave like that in any other profession on the planet, and quite simply it's completely unacceptable to treat fans and supporters in that manner.
Hopefully he realises that he needs to engage the community as that's where his job is driven from. Competitive StarCraft isn't just turning on your pc and expecting that you'll be paid handsomely for the privilege.
Good luck in the future, you've wasted a huge opportunity though with your unacceptable attitude over the last 3-4 months. Hope you can turn it around, it would be a shame to lose you from the scene.
hm... not sure how many people here get the Woody Allen reference, but for his career-long dedication to BM, trash-talk and childish behaviour, I declare Idra the 2013 Winner of the Zelda Fitzgerald Emotional Maturity Award
The villain? IdrA moved away from "the villain" a long time ago. If anything, PartinG is the villain, the guy who still trash-talks everybody he plays, but is at that level where he can because he entertains with great games and results. IdrA doesn't.
so you can't see in your very own words why he is a villian. I'm not defending his actions. read my prior posts. I'm just trying to steer this thread away from super idra flame time, because that doesn't do any good for anybody. We know, a lot of people don't like him. He was the "villain" because he was so polarizing. You don't have to post results to be a personality. All you need to do is be relevant. Love him or hate him he was always in the discussion.
Are you saying IdrA was always in the discussion? If so, which discussion exactly? I hadn't heard anything about him up until WCS AM for probably about a year or so, except maybe he won an IEM at some point or something?*
On May 10 2013 13:03 Doodsmack wrote: Not hard to speculate why he was kicked. The Reddit kids called the sponsors. Why else would they release him over insults only marginally worse than in the past?
Reddit is a pox on society.
so what's more childish, your shifting of blame from the person who acted poorly to everyone who isn't interested in bullshit, or people not being interested in bullshit?
Don't mind Doodsmack. He enjoys exuding a holier-than-thou attitude over the community while still being involved in the community itself.
On May 10 2013 12:28 Dyscreet wrote: Love him or hate him, he brought personality to a game that is so damn conventional and pretty bland upon watching.
His personality consists of whining, and leaving games early. If that's what you like about SC2, it's time to completely quit this scene dude.
Scene? Lol, give me a break. It's a game, it's not a scene. You never talked shit to people you played games with in your house or online?
A lot of you people are hypocrites who are just on the witch hunt to take out your frustrations.
i could see this coming from a mile away, more respect to team EG for making this hard decision and no respect for Idra, like Garfield said, if it wasnt for us, u wouldnt have a life with gaming
well, after quite a while while where he lacked results because of his poor mindset, even though he mechanically would be able to do way better, I guess making said comments was the final straw.
One can only hope that's an opportunity for him to get his shit together and clear his head. Being cuddled apparently is not the way for him to get better.
On May 10 2013 12:54 hillman wrote: I agree with their reasons for releasing him...In fact I voiced this same feeling on his fan forum about 2 weeks ago and got temp. banned for it! But I do hope he finds his love of the game, or finds some joy in something else, if you are constantly unhappy it usually means that you have some imbalance in your life. There is no reason for someone as intelligent and mechanically practiced as Idra not to get get better results AND be happy to be paid to play professional Starcraft. Hopefully he will re-prioritize and find his path.
I hate this ****. You're the person IdrA was talking to and I'm finished with this thread and discussion you're all a bunch of fucks.
User was temp banned for this post.
No doubt you're one of the elusive, typical Idra fans these days. Coincidence? Don't let the door hit ya on the way out . . .
On May 10 2013 13:09 Doublemint wrote: well, after quite a while while where he lacked results because of his poor mindset, even though he mechanically would be able to do way better, I guess making said comments was the final straw.
One can only hope that's an opportunity for him to get his shit together and clear his head. Being cuddled apparently is not the way for him to get better.
He won't get better because his attitude is "I lost because such and such is a bullshit play" or "imba imba imba zerg so UP." It's been his attitude for years and it shows in his performance, or lack there of.
Sry but i just used your OWN words, i didnt make any assumtions. You said it yourself, god damn it. You said you enjoy an angry mob throwing torches at people you dont like. How the fuck does it not prove my point i said over 1 year ago and am still saying now. There is also a difference between "not supporting" somebody and actively bringing them down. If you dont support anyone because you dont like them, feel free to not open their stream or anything related to them, instead of grabbing your pitchforks because you enjoy drama so much. I m not defending a particular player i m against the witchhunting of the community itself as i said a million times. I would even defend players i dislike a lot if this occurs. And i dont give a fuck if a player cares about me as long as i m entertained. And i dont give a fuck about people not supporting players they dont like, but i give a fuck when people like you are just sharpening their pitchforks and hoping that the next witchhunt is happening soon.
you keep looking for that gotcha! and it just isn't happening because you keep adding on these ridiculous generalizations that you think follow from my statements.
- it doesn't prove your point because you don't have one other than that you think you've caught me being hypocritical, but it's not about not enjoying drama, it's about not supporting people who do nothing for the scene anymore except generate controversy. it's the exact same event horizon as destiny and it's the exact same reaction: shrug, should probably be gone, good luck in the future even though you aren't a very good human being, cy@.
- how does an anonymous criticism bring idra down? he's said he doesn't give a shit about us lessers looking upon him.
- EG and the greater community has voted idra off the island, but honestly he's probably not going anywhere for a while longer. you keep saying "witchhunt" as if you either don't understand the context of what a witch hunt actually is or you just flatly don't care about what certain players do, and it makes you fucking impossible to take seriously.
- you don't know what I'm hoping, unless you were to say that you're done wasting my time.
I already got that "gotcha" moment.
And now your dont just shrug your shoulders because that is not what you said here and not what you said in the destiny/stephano thread. Because if you just shrug your shoulders and critize players than i m ok with it. But you are fine with people emailing sponsors to get rid of them, that is a whole different level. Idra did a lot for the scene, a lot more than you and i will ever do. And why would you care about controversy at all? As you said yourself you are just here to throw torches and enjoy the downfull of a "childish" man, wow now that helps the community a lot. We need more witchhunters and torch throwers, that is what makes the scene grow and stay healthy. What do you do besides creating controversy? Following that logic you should get rid of yourself from the scene.
yeah, because they're both toxic shitlords that frankly don't deserve to represent the scene on a pro level, because that's what they have the power to do - and what they both misuse - and what I don't have the power to do. you're conflating a very apparent personalized dislike with this ridiculous assertion that:
- my contributions are outweighed by ultimately meaningless banter on TL, even though I've sunk hundreds of dollars into GOM/MLG/IPL - taking a moral stand is always witchhunting, because inevitably somebody is affected negatively
the entire point of actioning both of those players is to actively legislate team decorum and passively legislate scene decorum, and guess what, that means their shit behavior is held accountable and their desires suffer, just like anyone else's is or would be. that's how this e-sports stuff works. that's how reality works.
Again they are SHITLORDS in your opinion, you are the same shitlord you just use your very own methods that are available to you. You arent any better, you just try to legitimate your actions (!and your enjoyment of somebody fall!) by saying it is "for the greater good" like so many people did before you. There are a lot of people that are doing bad things for the "greater good" because hey it is for the "greater good" or god or whatever. So once you think you are right then well you have all the right to bring them down. You just dont get it, you act self righteous and wrap your malicious actions into the "i do the right thing" package. So now tell me why you are not toxic? Because you do it for the greater good and help the community get rid of their shitlords?
Taking a moral stand is NOT ALWAYS WITCHHUNTING. What the fuck? What a twisted point of view is that? Also you only think in black and white, there are some certain degrees you can choose and you always go for the throat.
On May 10 2013 13:03 Doodsmack wrote: Not hard to speculate why he was kicked. The Reddit kids called the sponsors. Why else would they release him over insults only marginally worse than in the past?
Reddit is a pox on society.
so what's more childish, your shifting of blame from the person who acted poorly to everyone who isn't interested in bullshit, or people not being interested in bullshit?
Agreed, the entire sc2 community owes Idra more then they will ever admit. For me, he was the only reason i still watched this shitty game.
The SC2 community owes nothing to Idra, how delusional you have to be to actually believe that? It's 100% the other way around... A mediocre player that did well in BETA, proceeded to cash in for 3 fucking years riding the bandwagon of SC2. Which is driven by people who are really passionate about it.
Also if you believe that SC2 is a shitty game then how can you watch a guy that openly HATES it play it over and over just for sponsor money? You are either successfully trolled an answer out of me or you need to get a better grasp of logic and reality.
With that said, I really hope he can move forward and do something that he enjoys. Best of luck to him in the future.
Pretty convenient to forget the tournaments he won after release, and his decent runs through GSL with Jinro. By all means, continue you're pointless hatred. And you should look up the word delusional.
Pretty convenient to forget the popularity that he has brought to a game and community that hardly deserves it. Idra has been nothing but honest about everything hes ever said. You sit on your high horse and talk shit about him, but hes brought more attention negative or positive to sc2 then any other pro out there. He's still one of the best sc2 players in the world and he deserves your respect. It's pretty clear that Idra has anger issues that he has very little control over yet everyone judges him and eggs him on for a reaction. If any of you were harassed and bullied even half as much as Idra you would be just as toxic if not worse.
It's so funny to watch all you bandwagon forum warriors pretend like you could deal with the stress Idra is under day in and day out. This community has been just as shitty and toxic towards idra and yet you act surprised when he acts out in a toxic manner.
Jokes on EG anyway, Idra likely already has offers piling up by teams that are looking for thousands of new fans. I'll be one of them.
because he's the hero that esports deserves but not the one it needs right now... so we'll hate him, because he can take it, because hes not our hero, hes a silent guardian, a watchful protector, a Grack Knight
Say whatever you want about IdrA:s contribution to e-sports. Say whatever you want about his skill. He still is an arrogant, condecending person that seemingly lacks the ability to treat people well and every misfortune that befalls him seems so completly justified. Claim that his personality stems from some sort of entertainment purpouse if you wish but I call it bullshit. It's not an act, he is just a bad person that seems to be almost misanthropic. I follow e-sports passionately and I have yet to see any act of sportmanship or kindness in general from this person. People like TLO or Grubby should be the ones revered not fuckheads like IdrA
On May 10 2013 12:57 StarDrifter wrote: Wow. what a pussy answer. 2 paragraphs in there had nothing to do with Idra. Why not say straight up 'We dont like him anymore more and letting him go, because were scared of what people might think". O wait hes been doing the same things for 10 years and Starcraft 2 wouldn't be as big as it is without Greg.
You sure thats true? He wasnt in a major tournament since 2011 and even then he was once every few( a lot ) tournaments apart...
This " SC2 wouldnt be as big if not for Idra" is bullshit... What does it say about org. like MLG, IPL, GSL, NASL, DREAMHacks and all other organizations + teams?
Are you guys really that dumb?
name some guys who consistently win big name tournaments....and list what they win in there too
Being a good villain would be something like bming while also achieving decent results. Idra was not a good villain because he never achieved results anymore, he just complained about game balance all the time without actually backing up his words. Talking down to other players when he isn't the greatest himself. =/