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His profile: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/ZerO | ||
hansonslee
United States2026 Posts
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jtype
England2167 Posts
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Aunvilgod
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mostwanted
83 Posts
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AyaaLa
Spain629 Posts
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Gamegene
United States8308 Posts
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Keeemy
Finland7855 Posts
Not a surprise tho. | ||
Elite_
United States4259 Posts
On October 24 2013 18:21 mostwanted wrote: I don't remember seeing him played. I saw the news via MMA commenting on it He's the guy that played the best game of the Proleague finals against Trap. | ||
Bahiyaa
Germany24 Posts
Good luck for your future ZerO | ||
sharkie
Austria17955 Posts
he had been considered promising upcoming zerg for so long | ||
Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
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Elite_
United States4259 Posts
On October 24 2013 18:29 darkness wrote: The retirement saga continues. So why this time? Because Woongjin tried to reduce his salary and he didn't like it and no other team wanted to pay him the same amount Woongjin did. | ||
papaz
Sweden4149 Posts
The game is only 3 years old. Sad. | ||
Glioburd
France1900 Posts
gogo ZerO ! Hope you the best for your future, and hope to see him on BW ! | ||
coin_au_carre
France8 Posts
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
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Elroi
Sweden5455 Posts
Bye ZerO. I will remember you. | ||
TaShadan
Germany1959 Posts
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lystier
China877 Posts
i thought he would stay. He qualified for code A this season but still...T_T | ||
Noocta
France12574 Posts
On October 24 2013 18:34 papaz wrote: Too many retirements. We should instead see the rise of new players. The game is only 3 years old. Sad. Concider that these players aren't sc2 players only. Their career for some of them is coming to an end at a time that wouldn't chock anybody if it was still broodwar. | ||
NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
On October 24 2013 18:39 lystier wrote: Oh....no.... i thought he would stay. He qualified for code A this season but still...T_T eh he had no team it's understandable. | ||
Jugan
United States1566 Posts
On October 24 2013 18:25 AyaaLa wrote: wasnt this the dude that was highly praised by MMA as someone that he thought Zero possed an extremly high amount of skill? "wasnt this the dude" Pains me so much to see. Zero was legit in BW, carrying woongjin (often) by himself. | ||
lystier
China877 Posts
On October 24 2013 18:43 NovemberstOrm wrote: Show nested quote + On October 24 2013 18:39 lystier wrote: Oh....no.... i thought he would stay. He qualified for code A this season but still...T_T eh he had no team it's understandable. I understand, just not willing to accept=( | ||
AlternativeEgo
Sweden17309 Posts
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Djagulingu
Germany3605 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Oh, and Hydra too, plz | ||
NeThZOR
South Africa7387 Posts
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22271 Posts
WHY | ||
aka_star
United Kingdom1546 Posts
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AyaaLa
Spain629 Posts
On October 24 2013 18:45 Jugan wrote: Show nested quote + On October 24 2013 18:25 AyaaLa wrote: wasnt this the dude that was highly praised by MMA as someone that he thought Zero possed an extremly high amount of skill? "wasnt this the dude" Pains me so much to see. Zero was legit in BW, carrying woongjin (often) by himself. lol -.- sorry.... english is not even my second language... but that was just a horrible blunder... | ||
NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
On October 24 2013 19:05 lichter wrote: UGHHHH this is not good for my passion levels WHY oh yeah i forgot you root for woongjin | ||
Guileful
Kazakhstan137 Posts
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Liquid`Nazgul
22426 Posts
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TRAP[yoo]
Hungary6026 Posts
i really hope hes streaming some broodwar. definitely one of my favourite players | ||
Shellshock
United States97245 Posts
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Lorch
Germany3657 Posts
I was getting so excited when he made it into gsl and survived the first round T.T Hope he atleast goes into brood war. He was such an amazing player back in the days. Sadly one of my most memorable moments connected to zero is jangbi jangbanging the living shit out of him during the last bw osl, but zero has produced so many amazing games over the years. | ||
Bowzar
Sweden741 Posts
On October 24 2013 18:29 darkness wrote: The retirement saga continues. So why this time? Korean scene falling apart. | ||
GTR
51126 Posts
who could ever forget his 3-2 loss to jangbi in tving? or his 3-0 demolition by flash in the abcmart msl? | ||
ppshchik
United States862 Posts
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TheMute
United States458 Posts
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Glioburd
France1900 Posts
On October 24 2013 19:28 ppshchik wrote: Best player to have never won a starleague maybe? He's not the only one (I think to Light, Free... etc), but yeah, definitely one of them | ||
KeksX
Germany3634 Posts
On October 24 2013 18:34 papaz wrote: Too many retirements. We should instead see the rise of new players. The game is only 3 years old. Sad. We see it, you just ignore it and decided to focus on the negativity instead... Just look at the EU scene! Its strongly positive! GL to zero in all his future endavours. | ||
GnoM
Norway145 Posts
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bokchoi
Korea (South)9498 Posts
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itsdaniel
Austria326 Posts
thank u ZerO | ||
Hermanoid
Sweden213 Posts
Maybe SC2 will carry on in other regions, but it's definately already in the noose in Korea. And with Korea vanishing and becoming a sunken Starcraft-atlantis, none of the other regions are going to feel significant in terms of skill anyway. I already to an extent have this feeling with the Brood War vs. SC2, now it's going to be complete with the greatest portion of the SC2 proscene feeding the worms. Gl ZerO, thank you for all your games =( | ||
pylonsalad
Canada649 Posts
Let's see some infested terrans, my prince! | ||
flashimba
225 Posts
On October 24 2013 20:11 flashimba wrote: Fun times Zero. How to draw Zero | ||
ImbaTosS
United Kingdom1658 Posts
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Liquid`Nazgul
22426 Posts
On October 24 2013 19:43 Hermanoid wrote: Granted that I'm going ahead of the current turn of events with this, but; Maybe SC2 will carry on in other regions, but it's definately already in the noose in Korea. And with Korea vanishing and becoming a sunken Starcraft-atlantis, none of the other regions are going to feel significant in terms of skill anyway. I already to an extent have this feeling with the Brood War vs. SC2, now it's going to be complete with the greatest portion of the SC2 proscene feeding the worms. Korea is similar to how it's always been except that KeSPA added 200 progamers, who had no say in the matter themselves. For most of them BW, not SC2, was the game of their life. These players that have had such long careers already in the game of their choice, were added to an ecosystem that already had problems supporting the ESF teams. It gets a little tiring to explain it over and over but none of this indicates that the Korean scene is able to support less than before. It always supported ~100 living in pro houses on little to no salary, not ~300 of which many well paid athletes. | ||
ES.Genie
Germany1370 Posts
On October 24 2013 18:34 papaz wrote: Too many retirements. We should instead see the rise of new players. The game is only 3 years old. Sad. What? Are you crazy? The Korean scene is already waaay oversaturated and you want even more players? Ofc it's sad to see people retiring all the time, but it really shouldn't be surprising. Oh and it actually has nothing to do with Sc2 dying. | ||
CloudMage
Canada221 Posts
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia18993 Posts
On October 24 2013 19:30 Glioburd wrote: Show nested quote + On October 24 2013 19:28 ppshchik wrote: Best player to have never won a starleague maybe? He's not the only one (I think to Light, Free... etc), but yeah, definitely one of them I would add bisu to that list. I hope zero can continue gaming after this he's too talented to not be. | ||
Targe
United Kingdom14103 Posts
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andoRRR
Germany36 Posts
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jeri
Germany335 Posts
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SeinGalton
South Africa387 Posts
Won't ever forget it... hope to see you pick up BW again, ZerO, I really do. | ||
DropBear
Australia4178 Posts
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Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
G sus I almost forgot about this, this is the greatest. | ||
Mahanaim
Korea (South)1002 Posts
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jackslater
Russian Federation604 Posts
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myminerals
560 Posts
On October 24 2013 19:23 GTR wrote: will forever be known to me as one of the biggest chokers during the end of the brood war era. who could ever forget his 3-2 loss to jangbi in tving? or his 3-0 demolition by flash in the abcmart msl? he did defeat JD though, was an excellent ZvZ series. | ||
myminerals
560 Posts
In reality he was a very creative player that never won a title, so sad. I hope to see him on afreeca, sd sd sd sd! | ||
myminerals
560 Posts
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Jintoss
Hong Kong117 Posts
He literally did not like being payed less, and found out the hard way that he's not worth as much in SC2 anymore. IMO this is purely an ego thing, I dunno why everyone's kneejerk response is to jump on the #OMGSC2DED bandwagon. | ||
sage_francis
France1823 Posts
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sage_francis
France1823 Posts
On October 24 2013 20:34 Jintoss wrote: All I see is ex-BW pros too used to being at the top and steadily payed for it, rather than the growth, change, and competition that a new game like SC2 brings. He literally did not like being payed less, and found out the hard way that he's not worth as much in SC2 anymore. IMO this is purely an ego thing, I dunno why everyone's kneejerk response is to jump on the #OMGSC2DED bandwagon. What? Too used to be at the top? Did you ever watch Zero's BW debuts? | ||
Xiao KA
Denmark34 Posts
User was warned for this post | ||
GatsbyTheGreat
68 Posts
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Ammanas
Slovakia2166 Posts
On October 24 2013 20:34 Jintoss wrote: All I see is ex-BW pros too used to being at the top and steadily payed for it, rather than the growth, change, and competition that a new game like SC2 brings. He literally did not like being payed less, and found out the hard way that he's not worth as much in SC2 anymore. IMO this is purely an ego thing, I dunno why everyone's kneejerk response is to jump on the #OMGSC2DED bandwagon. Yeah well, I am currently being paid X money in my job. I would never ever accept a lower salary in the future from any other jobs... That's pretty much normal professional life. On topic - I have been changing my sig of favorite players too much recently So many retirements! GL to ZerO in (probably/hopefully) Brood War! | ||
SSeoni
139 Posts
Still, all the best on what path you take ZerO! | ||
pOem
United Kingdom7 Posts
Hope he comes back to the glorious BW fold | ||
GatsbyTheGreat
68 Posts
On October 24 2013 18:29 sharkie wrote: not surprising at all - somehow I dont think Zero ever had the work ethic of soulkey he had been considered promising upcoming zerg for so long He was better than Soulkey in BW though, and he's older than Soulkey for almost 2 years. | ||
Liquid`Nazgul
22426 Posts
On October 24 2013 20:34 Jintoss wrote: All I see is ex-BW pros too used to being at the top and steadily payed for it, rather than the growth, change, and competition that a new game like SC2 brings. He literally did not like being payed less, and found out the hard way that he's not worth as much in SC2 anymore. IMO this is purely an ego thing, I dunno why everyone's kneejerk response is to jump on the #OMGSC2DED bandwagon. These guys that were at the top of BW were fucking warriors that went through the toughest systems with no money available to them. Please have the dignity not to insult them when they decide they don't want to do it all over again in a game that they didn't choose to play. | ||
theleo_ua
Ukraine150 Posts
On October 24 2013 18:26 Gamegene wrote: JANGBI VS ZERO REMATCH GO. On October 24 2013 18:39 TaShadan wrote: SRT? Agree (also imho Flash should go back to BW too) | ||
WhiteWulf
Australia244 Posts
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Muffloe
Sweden6061 Posts
On October 24 2013 18:35 coin_au_carre wrote: Ah a very nice news for Broodwar . Keep the retiring spirit ! So its better to play some bw now and then, but let the whole franchise die? Your comment is idd a Malevolent Creation, ifuknowadamean | ||
slowbacontron
United States7722 Posts
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nbaker
United States1341 Posts
Zero, beat Sea for us! | ||
a9arnn
United States1537 Posts
Nobody will ever use queens as well as you, ZerO... | ||
Liquid`Nazgul
22426 Posts
On October 24 2013 21:06 Muffloe wrote: Show nested quote + On October 24 2013 18:35 coin_au_carre wrote: Ah a very nice news for Broodwar . Keep the retiring spirit ! So its better to play some bw now and then, but let the whole franchise die? Your comment is idd a Malevolent Creation, ifuknowadamean They're two different sports nothing is about to die. Players who want to play BW certainly don't owe it to you to play SC2. Let people pick the games they want with devotion and passion and SC2 will be a lot better for it. | ||
Daswollvieh
5553 Posts
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Salteador Neo
Andorra5591 Posts
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Lumi
United States1612 Posts
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GulpyBlinkeyes
United States1449 Posts
He will be missed! | ||
Muffloe
Sweden6061 Posts
On October 24 2013 21:14 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Show nested quote + On October 24 2013 21:06 Muffloe wrote: On October 24 2013 18:35 coin_au_carre wrote: Ah a very nice news for Broodwar . Keep the retiring spirit ! So its better to play some bw now and then, but let the whole franchise die? Your comment is idd a Malevolent Creation, ifuknowadamean They're two different sports nothing is about to die. Players who want to play BW certainly don't owe it to you to play SC2. Let people pick the games they want with devotion and passion and SC2 will be a lot better for it. Hi Nazgul. I find your reply very valid, although my comment might've been misinterpreted. I didn't mean that Zeros retirement in particular would kill the scene, I just meant that it probably would just hurt the franchise if everyone in general ditched the game blizzard/kespa chose, and went to half/spare time bw Of course, I also wish Zero well, and hope that he will find satisfaction with whatever he will now do | ||
shid0x
Korea (South)5014 Posts
So much potential he had. GL to him. | ||
Sayle
United Kingdom3685 Posts
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MrMotionPicture
United States4327 Posts
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Toverkol
Netherlands16 Posts
Hope he picks up something new that i like i guess.. | ||
iamho
3344 Posts
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Darkhorse
United States23454 Posts
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Headshot
United States1656 Posts
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flashimba
225 Posts
On October 24 2013 21:36 Muffloe wrote: Show nested quote + On October 24 2013 21:14 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: On October 24 2013 21:06 Muffloe wrote: On October 24 2013 18:35 coin_au_carre wrote: Ah a very nice news for Broodwar . Keep the retiring spirit ! So its better to play some bw now and then, but let the whole franchise die? Your comment is idd a Malevolent Creation, ifuknowadamean They're two different sports nothing is about to die. Players who want to play BW certainly don't owe it to you to play SC2. Let people pick the games they want with devotion and passion and SC2 will be a lot better for it. Hi Nazgul. I find your reply very valid, although my comment might've been misinterpreted. I didn't mean that Zeros retirement in particular would kill the scene, I just meant that it probably would just hurt the franchise if everyone in general ditched the game blizzard/kespa chose, and went to half/spare time bw Of course, I also wish Zero well, and hope that he will find satisfaction with whatever he will now do What does that tell you about the game? Fake it till you make it is the philosophy behind SC2 esports. It worked well at the start, but now people are seeing the game for what it really is. User was warned for this post | ||
Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On October 24 2013 21:52 flashimba wrote: Show nested quote + On October 24 2013 21:36 Muffloe wrote: On October 24 2013 21:14 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: On October 24 2013 21:06 Muffloe wrote: On October 24 2013 18:35 coin_au_carre wrote: Ah a very nice news for Broodwar . Keep the retiring spirit ! So its better to play some bw now and then, but let the whole franchise die? Your comment is idd a Malevolent Creation, ifuknowadamean They're two different sports nothing is about to die. Players who want to play BW certainly don't owe it to you to play SC2. Let people pick the games they want with devotion and passion and SC2 will be a lot better for it. Hi Nazgul. I find your reply very valid, although my comment might've been misinterpreted. I didn't mean that Zeros retirement in particular would kill the scene, I just meant that it probably would just hurt the franchise if everyone in general ditched the game blizzard/kespa chose, and went to half/spare time bw Of course, I also wish Zero well, and hope that he will find satisfaction with whatever he will now do What does that tell you about the game? Fake it till you make it is the philosophy behind SC2 esports. It worked well at the start, but now people are seeing the game for what it really is. A great game that every BW pro might not want to play. Theses player are not required to love SC2 and it is common for some to switch jobs after a salary cut. | ||
VArsovskiSC
Macedonia563 Posts
On October 24 2013 21:56 Plansix wrote: Show nested quote + On October 24 2013 21:52 flashimba wrote: On October 24 2013 21:36 Muffloe wrote: On October 24 2013 21:14 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: On October 24 2013 21:06 Muffloe wrote: On October 24 2013 18:35 coin_au_carre wrote: Ah a very nice news for Broodwar . Keep the retiring spirit ! So its better to play some bw now and then, but let the whole franchise die? Your comment is idd a Malevolent Creation, ifuknowadamean They're two different sports nothing is about to die. Players who want to play BW certainly don't owe it to you to play SC2. Let people pick the games they want with devotion and passion and SC2 will be a lot better for it. Hi Nazgul. I find your reply very valid, although my comment might've been misinterpreted. I didn't mean that Zeros retirement in particular would kill the scene, I just meant that it probably would just hurt the franchise if everyone in general ditched the game blizzard/kespa chose, and went to half/spare time bw Of course, I also wish Zero well, and hope that he will find satisfaction with whatever he will now do What does that tell you about the game? Fake it till you make it is the philosophy behind SC2 esports. It worked well at the start, but now people are seeing the game for what it really is. A great game that every BW pro might not want to play. Theses player are not required to love SC2 and it is common for some to switch jobs after a salary cut. Well If it wasn't a great game - ppl wouldn't have played it, but there are 2 problems that are big enough for ppl to reconsider and think otherwise I think.. Those are the following: 1 - TvP mech play (lack of it ofc.) 2 - PvZ stalemate late-game ofc. there might have been others - in ZvT for example, but think that those are adressed already, but the 2 I noted about still remain.. And the question is - how long till those 2 are finally resembled.. Not saying that players are retiring for that, but it's at least one of the reasons they don't keep fighting hard for it I think.. | ||
lolfail9001
Russian Federation40169 Posts
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Zerg.Zilla
Hungary5029 Posts
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Khai
Australia551 Posts
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DinosaurPoop
687 Posts
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
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Squat
Sweden7978 Posts
On October 24 2013 21:36 Muffloe wrote: Show nested quote + On October 24 2013 21:14 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: On October 24 2013 21:06 Muffloe wrote: On October 24 2013 18:35 coin_au_carre wrote: Ah a very nice news for Broodwar . Keep the retiring spirit ! So its better to play some bw now and then, but let the whole franchise die? Your comment is idd a Malevolent Creation, ifuknowadamean They're two different sports nothing is about to die. Players who want to play BW certainly don't owe it to you to play SC2. Let people pick the games they want with devotion and passion and SC2 will be a lot better for it. Hi Nazgul. I find your reply very valid, although my comment might've been misinterpreted. I didn't mean that Zeros retirement in particular would kill the scene, I just meant that it probably would just hurt the franchise if everyone in general ditched the game blizzard/kespa chose, and went to half/spare time bw Of course, I also wish Zero well, and hope that he will find satisfaction with whatever he will now do If the game is not attractive enough it should not be inflated artificially by coercing people into playing it. If it's a big enough problem to hurt the franchise then the franchise simply isn't good enough. The solution is then to improve the game, not pretend to like it. | ||
lolfail9001
Russian Federation40169 Posts
On October 24 2013 22:57 TotalBiscuit wrote: And now you know why nobody picked him up Well, it was pretty clear from the end of waiver actually. Same with free i suppose, by the way, where is him? | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21242 Posts
good luck, zero forever qt :3 | ||
coin_au_carre
France8 Posts
On October 24 2013 21:36 Muffloe wrote: Show nested quote + On October 24 2013 21:14 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: On October 24 2013 21:06 Muffloe wrote: On October 24 2013 18:35 coin_au_carre wrote: Ah a very nice news for Broodwar . Keep the retiring spirit ! So its better to play some bw now and then, but let the whole franchise die? Your comment is idd a Malevolent Creation, ifuknowadamean They're two different sports nothing is about to die. Players who want to play BW certainly don't owe it to you to play SC2. Let people pick the games they want with devotion and passion and SC2 will be a lot better for it. Hi Nazgul. I find your reply very valid, although my comment might've been misinterpreted. I didn't mean that Zeros retirement in particular would kill the scene, I just meant that it probably would just hurt the franchise if everyone in general ditched the game blizzard/kespa chose, and went to half/spare time bw Of course, I also wish Zero well, and hope that he will find satisfaction with whatever he will now do Well, most ex-BW players retire because they find Broodwar more attractive compared to SC2. I do not think that SC2 will die because of that And if it was the case : - SC2 will die like BW died because of SC2 ? - You cannot force people who don't enjoy SC2 to stay. They might get better salary on SC2 but they have the guts to retire to live their passion. This explains a lot. - This would maybe change Blizzard behaviour to make SC2 more interesting ? Now hope that Zero will be back on Broodwar ! edit : I agree with #662 | ||
DinoToss
Poland507 Posts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaGtjWL5mZo He even dropped them from overlords lol. I would love to see Zero stream BW. | ||
renezerg
Peru186 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40169 Posts
On October 24 2013 23:07 DinoToss wrote: Browder didnt invent banelings http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaGtjWL5mZo He even dropped them from overlords lol. I would love to see Zero stream BW. Yeah, but he made them qt. | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia18993 Posts
On October 24 2013 22:57 TotalBiscuit wrote: And now you know why nobody picked him up TotalBiscuit, I know this is off topic, but I recently read the gamasutra article on you and as a game developer hope that everything turns out well for you. | ||
catplanetcatplanet
3815 Posts
On October 24 2013 21:12 a9arnn wrote: Nobody will ever use queens as well as you, ZerO... rorooooo | ||
gustavohmp
Brazil139 Posts
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OpticalShot
Canada6330 Posts
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Sjokola
Netherlands800 Posts
On October 24 2013 18:34 papaz wrote: Too many retirements. We should instead see the rise of new players. The game is only 3 years old. Sad. We do see that, but those don't get a news article. They just slowly be more prominent. | ||
xHerodotusx
United Kingdom114 Posts
Going to miss you, man. | ||
GatsbyTheGreat
68 Posts
On October 24 2013 22:57 TotalBiscuit wrote: And now you know why nobody picked him up What does this sentence mean? Someone help me plz, is this trying to take a shot at Zero or just saying he wanted to retire, so he didn't join any team. | ||
Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
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Daswollvieh
5553 Posts
On October 24 2013 23:36 GatsbyTheGreat wrote: Show nested quote + On October 24 2013 22:57 TotalBiscuit wrote: And now you know why nobody picked him up What does this sentence mean? Someone help me plz, is this trying to take a shot at Zero or just saying he wanted to retire, so he didn't join any team. Whatever gets your drama-juices flowing more, obviously. But it just means that teams knew he was retiring before the twitter announcement. | ||
Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On October 24 2013 23:36 GatsbyTheGreat wrote: Show nested quote + On October 24 2013 22:57 TotalBiscuit wrote: And now you know why nobody picked him up What does this sentence mean? Someone help me plz, is this trying to take a shot at Zero or just saying he wanted to retire, so he didn't join any team. Zero wanted too much money from Woongjin, and no one else wanted to pay that much. So he was given the prospect of either lowering his salary or going team less. | ||
GatsbyTheGreat
68 Posts
On October 24 2013 23:40 Daswollvieh wrote: Show nested quote + On October 24 2013 23:36 GatsbyTheGreat wrote: On October 24 2013 22:57 TotalBiscuit wrote: And now you know why nobody picked him up What does this sentence mean? Someone help me plz, is this trying to take a shot at Zero or just saying he wanted to retire, so he didn't join any team. Whatever gets your drama-juices flowing more, obviously. But it just means that teams knew he was retiring before the twitter announcement. Then I will choose to believe the drama one. The only place without drama is where nobody lives. | ||
Incognoto
France10234 Posts
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a176
Canada6688 Posts
but then i was like SRT | ||
FlyingSteaks
Brazil433 Posts
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Copymizer
Denmark2075 Posts
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On October 24 2013 23:43 GatsbyTheGreat wrote: Show nested quote + On October 24 2013 23:40 Daswollvieh wrote: On October 24 2013 23:36 GatsbyTheGreat wrote: On October 24 2013 22:57 TotalBiscuit wrote: And now you know why nobody picked him up What does this sentence mean? Someone help me plz, is this trying to take a shot at Zero or just saying he wanted to retire, so he didn't join any team. Whatever gets your drama-juices flowing more, obviously. But it just means that teams knew he was retiring before the twitter announcement. Then I will choose to believe the drama one. The only place without drama is where nobody lives. You'd love SCReddit | ||
jonich0n
United States1982 Posts
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DiMano
Korea (South)2065 Posts
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GatsbyTheGreat
68 Posts
On October 24 2013 23:51 TotalBiscuit wrote: Show nested quote + On October 24 2013 23:43 GatsbyTheGreat wrote: On October 24 2013 23:40 Daswollvieh wrote: On October 24 2013 23:36 GatsbyTheGreat wrote: On October 24 2013 22:57 TotalBiscuit wrote: And now you know why nobody picked him up What does this sentence mean? Someone help me plz, is this trying to take a shot at Zero or just saying he wanted to retire, so he didn't join any team. Whatever gets your drama-juices flowing more, obviously. But it just means that teams knew he was retiring before the twitter announcement. Then I will choose to believe the drama one. The only place without drama is where nobody lives. You'd love SCReddit Good, TB himself came, plz answer my question, or just elaborate more about that sentence of yours. Your posts are always so intriguing. | ||
DiMano
Korea (South)2065 Posts
On October 24 2013 22:57 TotalBiscuit wrote: And now you know why nobody picked him up I wonder if any foreign team offers him a contract? I doubt that JangBi, Bisu and ZerO would miss the opportunity to travel around the world and play in foreign events. I think they see no future in Korea and there was no opportunity to contact foreign teams coz it would look incorrect to ask for something for such big players so they decided to retire. | ||
lookfirewood
1212 Posts
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On October 24 2013 23:53 GatsbyTheGreat wrote: Good, TB himself came, plz answer my question, or just elaborate more about that sentence of yours. Your posts are always so intriguing. Why? You made the assumption that I was taking a shot at ZerO which is the dumbest thing I've heard all day, which is quite the achievement since I read Youtube comments. | ||
Mattidute
Netherlands232 Posts
On October 25 2013 00:00 DiMano wrote: Show nested quote + On October 24 2013 22:57 TotalBiscuit wrote: And now you know why nobody picked him up I wonder if any foreign team offers him a contract? I doubt that JangBi, Bisu and ZerO would miss the opportunity to travel around the world and play in foreign events. I think they see no future in Korea and there was no opportunity to contact foreign teams coz it would look incorrect to ask for something for such big players so they decided to retire. He probably had some foreign teams that tried to offer him a contract, but no doubt ZerO declined them due to to low salary (as ZerO probably wanted a Woongjin Stars-like salary that he had) and the 2 KeSPA teams that still actively hire players in SC2 (SKT T1 and KT) already hired a few new players lately so they probably didn't want to spend a big salary either on him at which point ZerO probably just called it quits and retired. | ||
ne4aJIb
Russian Federation3208 Posts
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DinoToss
Poland507 Posts
On October 24 2013 23:45 Incognoto wrote: Isn't this big fucking news because Zero was a fucking good player in BW? After Bisu, JangBi and others retiring its not a big fucking news, it's daily occurance almost. | ||
Bagration
United States18282 Posts
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Irratonalys
Germany902 Posts
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DinoToss
Poland507 Posts
On October 25 2013 00:12 ne4aJIb wrote: soon on afreeca! :D + Show Spoiler + On May 29 2011 04:18 G_Wen wrote: Cracked me up. | ||
Kashll
United States1117 Posts
I love zero. His game against Bisu on heartbreak ridge was the greatest thing in starcraft. So immaculate. (You know which one I'm talking about). | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On October 25 2013 00:06 Mattidute wrote: Show nested quote + On October 25 2013 00:00 DiMano wrote: On October 24 2013 22:57 TotalBiscuit wrote: And now you know why nobody picked him up I wonder if any foreign team offers him a contract? I doubt that JangBi, Bisu and ZerO would miss the opportunity to travel around the world and play in foreign events. I think they see no future in Korea and there was no opportunity to contact foreign teams coz it would look incorrect to ask for something for such big players so they decided to retire. He probably had some foreign teams that tried to offer him a contract, but no doubt ZerO declined them due to to low salary (as ZerO probably wanted a Woongjin Stars-like salary that he had) and the 2 KeSPA teams that still actively hire players in SC2 (SKT T1 and KT) already hired a few new players lately so they probably didn't want to spend a big salary either on him at which point ZerO probably just called it quits and retired. UMMMM, his salary with Woongjin was modest at best. Not every KeSPA player was making a whole lot you know. >_< Whether it be low-balling or asking for a pay increase his position to negotiate was meh considering he played second fiddle to SK going back to BW. Really shitty position for him nonetheless. -__- | ||
purakushi
United States3300 Posts
/waits on Afreeca | ||
GatsbyTheGreat
68 Posts
On October 25 2013 00:05 TotalBiscuit wrote: Show nested quote + On October 24 2013 23:53 GatsbyTheGreat wrote: Good, TB himself came, plz answer my question, or just elaborate more about that sentence of yours. Your posts are always so intriguing. Why? You made the assumption that I was taking a shot at ZerO which is the dumbest thing I've heard all day, which is quite the achievement since I read Youtube comments. That sounds like a shot at Zero to me, so I assumed. If you didn't , just say the reason why other teams didn't pick him up very clearly since that's not very clear to me as an outsider. Or why you didn't pick him up. That sentence of yours sounds to me like you definitely know more about this than us fans, so I assume you found out the salary ZerO requested, and then you are like fuck it, you are not worth it. | ||
ChoDing
United States740 Posts
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Kergy
Peru2011 Posts
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia18993 Posts
On October 25 2013 00:00 DiMano wrote: Show nested quote + On October 24 2013 22:57 TotalBiscuit wrote: And now you know why nobody picked him up I wonder if any foreign team offers him a contract? I doubt that JangBi, Bisu and ZerO would miss the opportunity to travel around the world and play in foreign events. I think they see no future in Korea and there was no opportunity to contact foreign teams coz it would look incorrect to ask for something for such big players so they decided to retire. I feel the opposite. Traveling the world to play SC2 means you actually have to practice something that you don't enjoy for 8+ hours each day. That's the definition of insanity. If you watched Bisu stream BW you would see how happy he is and how much he enjoys spending time with fans that know his history and appreciate his work. Signing with a foreign team doesn't equal an easy button. You still are required to work hard and put in great effort. JD is a great example of success at this while Puma, who enjoys SC2, is an example of how you can try hard to achieve and still not hit the bar. So now take someone who may not enjoy the game but has played something they love for a decade and now are being paid not to play it anymore. I would easily pay a monthly fee to play BW cause I love the game so much, now | ||
Muffloe
Sweden6061 Posts
On October 24 2013 23:06 coin_au_carre wrote: Show nested quote + On October 24 2013 21:36 Muffloe wrote: On October 24 2013 21:14 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: On October 24 2013 21:06 Muffloe wrote: On October 24 2013 18:35 coin_au_carre wrote: Ah a very nice news for Broodwar . Keep the retiring spirit ! So its better to play some bw now and then, but let the whole franchise die? Your comment is idd a Malevolent Creation, ifuknowadamean They're two different sports nothing is about to die. Players who want to play BW certainly don't owe it to you to play SC2. Let people pick the games they want with devotion and passion and SC2 will be a lot better for it. Hi Nazgul. I find your reply very valid, although my comment might've been misinterpreted. I didn't mean that Zeros retirement in particular would kill the scene, I just meant that it probably would just hurt the franchise if everyone in general ditched the game blizzard/kespa chose, and went to half/spare time bw Of course, I also wish Zero well, and hope that he will find satisfaction with whatever he will now do Well, most ex-BW players retire because they find Broodwar more attractive compared to SC2. I do not think that SC2 will die because of that And if it was the case : - SC2 will die like BW died because of SC2 ? - You cannot force people who don't enjoy SC2 to stay. They might get better salary on SC2 but they have the guts to retire to live their passion. This explains a lot. - This would maybe change Blizzard behaviour to make SC2 more interesting ? Now hope that Zero will be back on Broodwar ! edit : I agree with #662 noones talking about forcing, but the attitude of "yay, retirements!" might not be TheBest, for starcraft and esports in general | ||
mburke0005
United States20 Posts
Ironically, Blizzard also killed SC2 but by lack of interest put out by an inferior product. Not by directly stymieing their ability to produce new tournaments like they had in BW. anyway, BRING ON ZERO TO AFREECA! afreeca is so fun to watch nowadays. i'm hoping some corporate sponsor steps up and puts pressure on for a new tournament series. but until then, sonic rules. | ||
Incubus1993
Canada140 Posts
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Shana
Indonesia1814 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On October 25 2013 00:45 BisuDagger wrote: Show nested quote + On October 25 2013 00:00 DiMano wrote: On October 24 2013 22:57 TotalBiscuit wrote: And now you know why nobody picked him up I wonder if any foreign team offers him a contract? I doubt that JangBi, Bisu and ZerO would miss the opportunity to travel around the world and play in foreign events. I think they see no future in Korea and there was no opportunity to contact foreign teams coz it would look incorrect to ask for something for such big players so they decided to retire. I feel the opposite. Traveling the world to play SC2 means you actually have to practice something that you don't enjoy for 8+ hours each day. That's the definition of insanity. If you watched Bisu stream BW you would see how happy he is and how much he enjoys spending time with fans that know his history and appreciate his work. Signing with a foreign team doesn't equal an easy button. You still are required to work hard and put in great effort. JD is a great example of success at this while Puma, who enjoys SC2, is an example of how you can try hard to achieve and still not hit the bar. So now take someone who may not enjoy the game but has played something they love for a decade and now are being paid not to play it anymore. I would easily pay a monthly fee to play BW cause I love the game so much, now It really is no different than a foreigner joining a Korean team. Not only do they feel out of place, but they're always struggling against the language barrier. A lot of players don't want to have to deal with such things. | ||
Prog455
Denmark970 Posts
On October 25 2013 00:40 Kergy wrote: One less reason to care about SC2. Yea - because ZerO was like super relevent to the scene. I wonder how many of the people who claim that SC2 is dying is coming from a BW background, because as someone who didn't follow BW people such as Bisu, Jangbi, ZerO and so on might aswell never have exsisted. I understand that these players have a huge legacy from BW but to be fair, almost none of them added anything to the SC2 scene. Most casual viewers who only watches Premier League and Premier tournaments might not even have seen more than a few games these people. During the eight months Proleague ran Bisu played like 20 games or so. Obviously Kespa players didn't make quite the impact on the scene that people expected them to do, and i can understand why people who used to be at the top of the food-chain wouldn't want to start all over again. | ||
Holdenintherye
Canada1441 Posts
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DinoToss
Poland507 Posts
On October 25 2013 01:10 Prog455 wrote: Yea - because ZerO was like super relevent to the scene. I wonder how many of the people who claim that SC2 is dying is coming from a BW background, because as someone who didn't follow BW people such as Bisu, Jangbi, ZerO and so on might aswell never have exsisted. I understand that these players have a huge legacy from BW but to be fair, almost none of them added anything to the SC2 scene. Most casual viewers who only watches Premier League and Premier tournaments might not even have seen more than a few games these people. During the eight months Proleague ran Bisu played like 20 games or so. Obviously Kespa players didn't make quite the impact on the scene that people expected them to do, and i can understand why people who used to be at the top of the food-chain wouldn't want to start all over again. If SC3 came in 1 year and players like Life MC or MVP became irrelevant you would see similar posts from some of the current SC2 fans. | ||
zyzq
United States3123 Posts
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myminerals
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On October 24 2013 23:46 a176 wrote: at first i was like FUCK but then i was like SRT that's a spirit! | ||
corumjhaelen
France6884 Posts
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Sabu113
United States11030 Posts
Good night sweet Prince. | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia18993 Posts
On October 25 2013 01:10 Prog455 wrote: Yea - because ZerO was like super relevent to the scene. I wonder how many of the people who claim that SC2 is dying is coming from a BW background, because as someone who didn't follow BW people such as Bisu, Jangbi, ZerO and so on might aswell never have exsisted. I understand that these players have a huge legacy from BW but to be fair, almost none of them added anything to the SC2 scene. Most casual viewers who only watches Premier League and Premier tournaments might not even have seen more than a few games these people. During the eight months Proleague ran Bisu played like 20 games or so. Obviously Kespa players didn't make quite the impact on the scene that people expected them to do, and i can understand why people who used to be at the top of the food-chain wouldn't want to start all over again. I never say BW is dieing, but I am someone who came from BW and waited 2 years and watched SC2 consistently anticipating the BW switch of Kespa pros to SC2 because I love them as people themselves and wanted to be able to support them in SC2. I feel like it's just a strong vocal minority of people that ring loud when they says SC2 is dieing and it hurts. The same a**holes did it to BW when times were tough. But years later I'm having tons of fun with BW still. SC2 will do the same thing. Sooner or later you just have to drown them out. But it's not BW fans that are preaching this. Pure BW fans just don't care to waste their time here and hurt people. It's an infection within the SC2 community itself. The responsibility falls on the abundance of fans the still remain the SC2 world to start being louder than the vocal minority. I left SC2 forums for a while because the SC2 community stopped having pride and being supportive. Instead posters have allowed the vocal minority to walk over them. Instead of replying to the SC2 dieing preachers take an effort to discuss games in forums. Make jokes with each other. Start rivalry battles in LR thread. Make cheerfuls. For fuck sakes scream as loud as you can at every game about how amazing it was. Then the bug will come back. The one that made everyone want to be a part of Starcraft 2. The one that took the world by storm. Stop blaming people and get your shit together SC2 community. | ||
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SHOOG
United States1639 Posts
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operwolf
United States324 Posts
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GatsbyTheGreat
68 Posts
On October 25 2013 01:27 BisuDagger wrote: Show nested quote + On October 25 2013 01:10 Prog455 wrote: On October 25 2013 00:40 Kergy wrote: One less reason to care about SC2. Yea - because ZerO was like super relevent to the scene. I wonder how many of the people who claim that SC2 is dying is coming from a BW background, because as someone who didn't follow BW people such as Bisu, Jangbi, ZerO and so on might aswell never have exsisted. I understand that these players have a huge legacy from BW but to be fair, almost none of them added anything to the SC2 scene. Most casual viewers who only watches Premier League and Premier tournaments might not even have seen more than a few games these people. During the eight months Proleague ran Bisu played like 20 games or so. Obviously Kespa players didn't make quite the impact on the scene that people expected them to do, and i can understand why people who used to be at the top of the food-chain wouldn't want to start all over again. I never say BW is dieing, but I am someone who came from BW and waited 2 years and watched SC2 consistently anticipating the BW switch of Kespa pros to SC2 because I love them as people themselves and wanted to be able to support them in SC2. I feel like it's just a strong vocal minority of people that ring loud when they says SC2 is dieing and it hurts. The same a**holes did it to BW when times were tough. But years later I'm having tons of fun with BW still. SC2 will do the same thing. Sooner or later you just have to drown them out. But it's not BW fans that are preaching this. Pure BW fans just don't care to waste their time here and hurt people. It's an infection within the SC2 community itself. The responsibility falls on the abundance of fans the still remain the SC2 world to start being louder than the vocal minority. I left SC2 forums for a while because the SC2 community stopped having pride and being supportive. Instead posters have allowed the vocal minority to walk over them. Instead of replying to the SC2 dieing preachers take an effort to discuss games in forums. Make jokes with each other. Start rivalry battles in LR thread. Make cheerfuls. For fuck sakes scream as loud as you can at every game about how amazing it was. Then the bug will come back. The one that made everyone want to be a part of Starcraft 2. The one that took the world by storm. Stop blaming people and get your shit together SC2 community. Completely agree with the vocal minority part. In recent LR thread, half of the posts are coming from like 5 people. | ||
TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On October 25 2013 00:30 GatsbyTheGreat wrote: Show nested quote + On October 25 2013 00:05 TotalBiscuit wrote: On October 24 2013 23:53 GatsbyTheGreat wrote: Good, TB himself came, plz answer my question, or just elaborate more about that sentence of yours. Your posts are always so intriguing. Why? You made the assumption that I was taking a shot at ZerO which is the dumbest thing I've heard all day, which is quite the achievement since I read Youtube comments. That sounds like a shot at Zero to me, so I assumed. If you didn't , just say the reason why other teams didn't pick him up very clearly since that's not very clear to me as an outsider. Or why you didn't pick him up. That sentence of yours sounds to me like you definitely know more about this than us fans, so I assume you found out the salary ZerO requested, and then you are like fuck it, you are not worth it. This is why "the fans" shouldn't speculate on things they don't know, it leads them to these kind of crazy conclusions. Nobody picked him up because we knew he was retiring. It's shocking that I have to spell that out considering my original post in the thread. This is also in reference to the previous thread on the subject where some people questioned why we picked up Mekia and not ZerO and also about how stupid teams were for not grabbing such a great player. The reality was, those teams are not stupid, they know far more than the fans do and they all knew ZerO was retiring. We did not want to discuss it because announcing a players retirement before he is ready to is super-BM and highly disrespectful. | ||
Subversive
Australia2229 Posts
On October 24 2013 18:29 sharkie wrote: not surprising at all - somehow I dont think Zero ever had the work ethic of soulkey he had been considered promising upcoming zerg for so long You have no idea. He was the ace for Woongjin forever. He was before Soulkey. Lack of work-ethic. Educate yourself fool. | ||
jonich0n
United States1982 Posts
On October 25 2013 01:27 BisuDagger wrote: Show nested quote + On October 25 2013 01:10 Prog455 wrote: On October 25 2013 00:40 Kergy wrote: One less reason to care about SC2. Yea - because ZerO was like super relevent to the scene. I wonder how many of the people who claim that SC2 is dying is coming from a BW background, because as someone who didn't follow BW people such as Bisu, Jangbi, ZerO and so on might aswell never have exsisted. I understand that these players have a huge legacy from BW but to be fair, almost none of them added anything to the SC2 scene. Most casual viewers who only watches Premier League and Premier tournaments might not even have seen more than a few games these people. During the eight months Proleague ran Bisu played like 20 games or so. Obviously Kespa players didn't make quite the impact on the scene that people expected them to do, and i can understand why people who used to be at the top of the food-chain wouldn't want to start all over again. I never say BW is dieing, but I am someone who came from BW and waited 2 years and watched SC2 consistently anticipating the BW switch of Kespa pros to SC2 because I love them as people themselves and wanted to be able to support them in SC2. I feel like it's just a strong vocal minority of people that ring loud when they says SC2 is dieing and it hurts. The same a**holes did it to BW when times were tough. But years later I'm having tons of fun with BW still. SC2 will do the same thing. Sooner or later you just have to drown them out. But it's not BW fans that are preaching this. Pure BW fans just don't care to waste their time here and hurt people. It's an infection within the SC2 community itself. The responsibility falls on the abundance of fans the still remain the SC2 world to start being louder than the vocal minority. I left SC2 forums for a while because the SC2 community stopped having pride and being supportive. Instead posters have allowed the vocal minority to walk over them. Instead of replying to the SC2 dieing preachers take an effort to discuss games in forums. Make jokes with each other. Start rivalry battles in LR thread. Make cheerfuls. For fuck sakes scream as loud as you can at every game about how amazing it was. Then the bug will come back. The one that made everyone want to be a part of Starcraft 2. The one that took the world by storm. Stop blaming people and get your shit together SC2 community. good post | ||
BigFan
TLADT24917 Posts
On October 24 2013 18:29 sharkie wrote: not surprising at all - somehow I dont think Zero ever had the work ethic of soulkey he had been considered promising upcoming zerg for so long cmon, I think ZerO was par with SK if not better in BW. In SCII though, SK Was considered superior although that ZvP against Trap in PL finals was one crazy game and ZerO almost won it. Best of luck to ZerO! I'm sure he'll do well and hope to hear he joins SRT/SSL | ||
GatsbyTheGreat
68 Posts
On October 25 2013 01:58 TotalBiscuit wrote: Show nested quote + On October 25 2013 00:30 GatsbyTheGreat wrote: On October 25 2013 00:05 TotalBiscuit wrote: On October 24 2013 23:53 GatsbyTheGreat wrote: Good, TB himself came, plz answer my question, or just elaborate more about that sentence of yours. Your posts are always so intriguing. Why? You made the assumption that I was taking a shot at ZerO which is the dumbest thing I've heard all day, which is quite the achievement since I read Youtube comments. That sounds like a shot at Zero to me, so I assumed. If you didn't , just say the reason why other teams didn't pick him up very clearly since that's not very clear to me as an outsider. Or why you didn't pick him up. That sentence of yours sounds to me like you definitely know more about this than us fans, so I assume you found out the salary ZerO requested, and then you are like fuck it, you are not worth it. This is why "the fans" shouldn't speculate on things they don't know, it leads them to these kind of crazy conclusions. Nobody picked him up because we knew he was retiring. It's shocking that I have to spell that out considering my original post in the thread. This is also in reference to the previous thread on the subject where some people questioned why we picked up Mekia and not ZerO and also about how stupid teams were for not grabbing such a great player. The reality was, those teams are not stupid, they know far more than the fans do and they all knew ZerO was retiring. We did not want to discuss it because announcing a players retirement before he is ready to is super-BM and highly disrespectful. Now that's a clear explanation, rather than salary, it's just he's retiring. I don't think this is 100% clear for every fan. And I still don't think it's completely that black and white, if he was for certain to retire, he won't be in free agent draft in KeSPA. Given a huge offer and perfect environment, he can definitely consider to continue, it's just nobody will offer him one. | ||
malady
United States600 Posts
On October 25 2013 01:59 Subversive wrote: Show nested quote + On October 24 2013 18:29 sharkie wrote: not surprising at all - somehow I dont think Zero ever had the work ethic of soulkey he had been considered promising upcoming zerg for so long You have no idea. He was the ace for Woonjinn forever. He was before Soulkey. Lack of work-ethic. Educate yourself fool. good ol sc2 fans get ready for every comment being "makes sense" "not surprising with his results" | ||
TeflonArena
Finland18 Posts
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OmniEulogy
Canada6588 Posts
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Leeoku
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40169 Posts
On October 25 2013 02:13 malady wrote: Show nested quote + On October 25 2013 01:59 Subversive wrote: On October 24 2013 18:29 sharkie wrote: not surprising at all - somehow I dont think Zero ever had the work ethic of soulkey he had been considered promising upcoming zerg for so long You have no idea. He was the ace for Woonjinn forever. He was before Soulkey. Lack of work-ethic. Educate yourself fool. good ol sc2 fans get ready for every comment being "makes sense" "not surprising with his results" Makes sense and absolutely not surprising with lack of infested CCs and spawn broodling in SC2. Is it better now :D? | ||
Fanatic-Templar
Canada5809 Posts
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DinoToss
Poland507 Posts
On October 25 2013 01:27 BisuDagger wrote: Show nested quote + On October 25 2013 01:10 Prog455 wrote: On October 25 2013 00:40 Kergy wrote: One less reason to care about SC2. Yea - because ZerO was like super relevent to the scene. I wonder how many of the people who claim that SC2 is dying is coming from a BW background, because as someone who didn't follow BW people such as Bisu, Jangbi, ZerO and so on might aswell never have exsisted. I understand that these players have a huge legacy from BW but to be fair, almost none of them added anything to the SC2 scene. Most casual viewers who only watches Premier League and Premier tournaments might not even have seen more than a few games these people. During the eight months Proleague ran Bisu played like 20 games or so. Obviously Kespa players didn't make quite the impact on the scene that people expected them to do, and i can understand why people who used to be at the top of the food-chain wouldn't want to start all over again. I never say BW is dieing, but I am someone who came from BW and waited 2 years and watched SC2 consistently anticipating the BW switch of Kespa pros to SC2 because I love them as people themselves and wanted to be able to support them in SC2. I feel like it's just a strong vocal minority of people that ring loud when they says SC2 is dieing and it hurts. The same a**holes did it to BW when times were tough. But years later I'm having tons of fun with BW still. SC2 will do the same thing. Sooner or later you just have to drown them out. But it's not BW fans that are preaching this. Pure BW fans just don't care to waste their time here and hurt people. It's an infection within the SC2 community itself. The responsibility falls on the abundance of fans the still remain the SC2 world to start being louder than the vocal minority. I left SC2 forums for a while because the SC2 community stopped having pride and being supportive. Instead posters have allowed the vocal minority to walk over them. Instead of replying to the SC2 dieing preachers take an effort to discuss games in forums. Make jokes with each other. Start rivalry battles in LR thread. Make cheerfuls. For fuck sakes scream as loud as you can at every game about how amazing it was. Then the bug will come back. The one that made everyone want to be a part of Starcraft 2. The one that took the world by storm. Stop blaming people and get your shit together SC2 community. You can clearly see that in LRs from "patchzerg" era in WoL (people need to look them up). in 2010 or 2011 (proud years of SC2) such posting was granted with quick death, but during second half of WoL it became (sometimes) a norm. Yet still when someone mentioned BW he became ostracized. It's some of sort of human self-defense mechanism that works sometimes in a very peculiar way. Like shitting in your own nest (your own mind, low self esteem) but opposing anyone who dares to do that from outside. Im not defending people who came up to stir drama with BW Chant im just saying it is hypocritical, just as we - humans can be. Same way as SC2 vs LoL which always annoys me a little, because the word skill or game being so hard is being overused so much in favor of SC2 but it is as well used against BW in comparison. There is really nothing more hypocritical than SC2 fan calling out LoL for being noob friendly and than ranting on BW guy on LR for being elitist. My small hypothesis on why SC2 was healthier in 2010 and 2011 here, besides the novelty gameplay factor was simply the fact BW had it's pro scene. The so called "bad guys" were happy back then, heck some of them even liked to watch both games. Pretty incredible right? When everyone can choose what they want to do, they are indeed happier. I too was cought into Kespa switch hype for a while, but something cracked inside of me when i understood it's truly a lie(fortunately it happened pretty quickly). Now i don't really care that much about both Sospa and SC2. I kinda moved on as well but I can't help to throw some tips because i see more evil being done from inside rather from only a fraction of BW fans who are still alive here. I really want to emphasize what BisuDagger said, the strong community would never fall under the rule of few. I remember being in a CS community and even if i don't remember much Quake people coming up and saying no-skill game (because it wasn't DUH!), and even if they did they would never ever accomplish anything. They would accomplish something only when the community itself would believe that. | ||
renaissanceMAN
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Hollick
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amazingxkcd
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Witten
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GWdeathscythe
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asdfOu
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PVJ
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rd
United States2586 Posts
On October 24 2013 18:34 papaz wrote: Too many retirements. We should instead see the rise of new players. The game is only 3 years old. Sad. This isn't the same decade as BW though. Relatively speaking, 3 years is a pretty long time for a game now in the evolving era of esports. And despite zero retiring, albeit sad, doesn't really have a major impact on SC2's success. As mentioned previously, a lot of these retiring BW players are at the tail end of their careers anyways... | ||
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TheBloodyDwarf
Finland7519 Posts
On October 24 2013 19:52 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Show nested quote + On October 24 2013 19:43 Hermanoid wrote: Granted that I'm going ahead of the current turn of events with this, but; Maybe SC2 will carry on in other regions, but it's definately already in the noose in Korea. And with Korea vanishing and becoming a sunken Starcraft-atlantis, none of the other regions are going to feel significant in terms of skill anyway. I already to an extent have this feeling with the Brood War vs. SC2, now it's going to be complete with the greatest portion of the SC2 proscene feeding the worms. Korea is similar to how it's always been except that KeSPA added 200 progamers, who had no say in the matter themselves. For most of them BW, not SC2, was the game of their life. These players that have had such long careers already in the game of their choice, were added to an ecosystem that already had problems supporting the ESF teams. It gets a little tiring to explain it over and over but none of this indicates that the Korean scene is able to support less than before. It always supported ~100 living in pro houses on little to no salary, not ~300 of which many well paid athletes. I have said this many times but some people just dont understand it ;( | ||
lolfail9001
Russian Federation40169 Posts
On October 25 2013 04:19 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: Show nested quote + On October 24 2013 19:52 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: On October 24 2013 19:43 Hermanoid wrote: Granted that I'm going ahead of the current turn of events with this, but; Maybe SC2 will carry on in other regions, but it's definately already in the noose in Korea. And with Korea vanishing and becoming a sunken Starcraft-atlantis, none of the other regions are going to feel significant in terms of skill anyway. I already to an extent have this feeling with the Brood War vs. SC2, now it's going to be complete with the greatest portion of the SC2 proscene feeding the worms. Korea is similar to how it's always been except that KeSPA added 200 progamers, who had no say in the matter themselves. For most of them BW, not SC2, was the game of their life. These players that have had such long careers already in the game of their choice, were added to an ecosystem that already had problems supporting the ESF teams. It gets a little tiring to explain it over and over but none of this indicates that the Korean scene is able to support less than before. It always supported ~100 living in pro houses on little to no salary, not ~300 of which many well paid athletes. I have said this many times but some people just dont understand it ;( Gotta jump the train hate. | ||
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Ettick
United States2434 Posts
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Australia484 Posts
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Jilju
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GatsbyTheGreat
68 Posts
On October 25 2013 04:19 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: Show nested quote + On October 24 2013 19:52 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: On October 24 2013 19:43 Hermanoid wrote: Granted that I'm going ahead of the current turn of events with this, but; Maybe SC2 will carry on in other regions, but it's definately already in the noose in Korea. And with Korea vanishing and becoming a sunken Starcraft-atlantis, none of the other regions are going to feel significant in terms of skill anyway. I already to an extent have this feeling with the Brood War vs. SC2, now it's going to be complete with the greatest portion of the SC2 proscene feeding the worms. Korea is similar to how it's always been except that KeSPA added 200 progamers, who had no say in the matter themselves. For most of them BW, not SC2, was the game of their life. These players that have had such long careers already in the game of their choice, were added to an ecosystem that already had problems supporting the ESF teams. It gets a little tiring to explain it over and over but none of this indicates that the Korean scene is able to support less than before. It always supported ~100 living in pro houses on little to no salary, not ~300 of which many well paid athletes. I have said this many times but some people just dont understand it ;( Players retiring never means market shrinking, however, fanbase certainly shrinked, and tournaments certainly reduced in this year, that's the problem. Not only in Korea. | ||
sunless
62 Posts
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ChoDing
United States740 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40169 Posts
On October 25 2013 04:43 sunless wrote: Time to have a 1080p version of BW. Too late. Time was like 3 years ago. | ||
lolfail9001
Russian Federation40169 Posts
On October 25 2013 04:44 ChoDing wrote: Aiite free, one of my favorite six dragons, time to join zero By the way, where is poor guy? After all he played the damn games for 9 years :O | ||
lolfail9001
Russian Federation40169 Posts
On October 25 2013 01:27 BisuDagger wrote: Show nested quote + On October 25 2013 01:10 Prog455 wrote: On October 25 2013 00:40 Kergy wrote: One less reason to care about SC2. Yea - because ZerO was like super relevent to the scene. I wonder how many of the people who claim that SC2 is dying is coming from a BW background, because as someone who didn't follow BW people such as Bisu, Jangbi, ZerO and so on might aswell never have exsisted. I understand that these players have a huge legacy from BW but to be fair, almost none of them added anything to the SC2 scene. Most casual viewers who only watches Premier League and Premier tournaments might not even have seen more than a few games these people. During the eight months Proleague ran Bisu played like 20 games or so. Obviously Kespa players didn't make quite the impact on the scene that people expected them to do, and i can understand why people who used to be at the top of the food-chain wouldn't want to start all over again. I never say BW is dieing, but I am someone who came from BW and waited 2 years and watched SC2 consistently anticipating the BW switch of Kespa pros to SC2 because I love them as people themselves and wanted to be able to support them in SC2. I feel like it's just a strong vocal minority of people that ring loud when they says SC2 is dieing and it hurts. The same a**holes did it to BW when times were tough. But years later I'm having tons of fun with BW still. SC2 will do the same thing. Sooner or later you just have to drown them out. But it's not BW fans that are preaching this. Pure BW fans just don't care to waste their time here and hurt people. It's an infection within the SC2 community itself. The responsibility falls on the abundance of fans the still remain the SC2 world to start being louder than the vocal minority. I left SC2 forums for a while because the SC2 community stopped having pride and being supportive. Instead posters have allowed the vocal minority to walk over them. Instead of replying to the SC2 dieing preachers take an effort to discuss games in forums. Make jokes with each other. Start rivalry battles in LR thread. Make cheerfuls. For fuck sakes scream as loud as you can at every game about how amazing it was. Then the bug will come back. The one that made everyone want to be a part of Starcraft 2. The one that took the world by storm. Stop blaming people and get your shit together SC2 community. This is like the best reply on the topic EVER. | ||
ChoDing
United States740 Posts
On October 25 2013 04:52 lolfail9001 wrote: Show nested quote + On October 25 2013 04:44 ChoDing wrote: Aiite free, one of my favorite six dragons, time to join zero By the way, where is poor guy? After all he played the damn games for 9 years :O Idk...preparing his retirement statement? God of battle is coming back to bw! | ||
Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
On October 25 2013 00:23 StarStruck wrote: LOL. no he didnt. Zero was much better than SK all throughout bw.Considering Bravo was the StarS player picked up? Yeah, a lot of us saw this one coming. Stork nose to Sonic.] Show nested quote + On October 25 2013 00:06 Mattidute wrote: On October 25 2013 00:00 DiMano wrote: On October 24 2013 22:57 TotalBiscuit wrote: And now you know why nobody picked him up I wonder if any foreign team offers him a contract? I doubt that JangBi, Bisu and ZerO would miss the opportunity to travel around the world and play in foreign events. I think they see no future in Korea and there was no opportunity to contact foreign teams coz it would look incorrect to ask for something for such big players so they decided to retire. He probably had some foreign teams that tried to offer him a contract, but no doubt ZerO declined them due to to low salary (as ZerO probably wanted a Woongjin Stars-like salary that he had) and the 2 KeSPA teams that still actively hire players in SC2 (SKT T1 and KT) already hired a few new players lately so they probably didn't want to spend a big salary either on him at which point ZerO probably just called it quits and retired. UMMMM, his salary with Woongjin was modest at best. Not every KeSPA player was making a whole lot you know. >_< Whether it be low-balling or asking for a pay increase his position to negotiate was meh considering he played second fiddle to SK going back to BW. Really shitty position for him nonetheless. -__- | ||
Djagulingu
Germany3605 Posts
On October 25 2013 04:43 sunless wrote: Time to have a 1080p version of BW. Yes plz, just like Vampire the Masquerade 20th year edition. | ||
Keeemy
Finland7855 Posts
On October 25 2013 01:27 BisuDagger wrote: Show nested quote + On October 25 2013 01:10 Prog455 wrote: On October 25 2013 00:40 Kergy wrote: One less reason to care about SC2. Yea - because ZerO was like super relevent to the scene. I wonder how many of the people who claim that SC2 is dying is coming from a BW background, because as someone who didn't follow BW people such as Bisu, Jangbi, ZerO and so on might aswell never have exsisted. I understand that these players have a huge legacy from BW but to be fair, almost none of them added anything to the SC2 scene. Most casual viewers who only watches Premier League and Premier tournaments might not even have seen more than a few games these people. During the eight months Proleague ran Bisu played like 20 games or so. Obviously Kespa players didn't make quite the impact on the scene that people expected them to do, and i can understand why people who used to be at the top of the food-chain wouldn't want to start all over again. I never say BW is dieing, but I am someone who came from BW and waited 2 years and watched SC2 consistently anticipating the BW switch of Kespa pros to SC2 because I love them as people themselves and wanted to be able to support them in SC2. I feel like it's just a strong vocal minority of people that ring loud when they says SC2 is dieing and it hurts. The same a**holes did it to BW when times were tough. But years later I'm having tons of fun with BW still. SC2 will do the same thing. Sooner or later you just have to drown them out. But it's not BW fans that are preaching this. Pure BW fans just don't care to waste their time here and hurt people. It's an infection within the SC2 community itself. The responsibility falls on the abundance of fans the still remain the SC2 world to start being louder than the vocal minority. I left SC2 forums for a while because the SC2 community stopped having pride and being supportive. Instead posters have allowed the vocal minority to walk over them. Instead of replying to the SC2 dieing preachers take an effort to discuss games in forums. Make jokes with each other. Start rivalry battles in LR thread. Make cheerfuls. For fuck sakes scream as loud as you can at every game about how amazing it was. Then the bug will come back. The one that made everyone want to be a part of Starcraft 2. The one that took the world by storm. Stop blaming people and get your shit together SC2 community. Bisudagger for president | ||
StarStruck
25339 Posts
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Taipoka
Brazil1224 Posts
On October 25 2013 02:15 TeflonArena wrote: Really appreciate comments from TB and Nazgul - people that know their stuff. So tired of the negative vocal minority and clueless forum posters both making inane comments without knowing really the full context. Interesting. If you think about it, only Zero know about his retirement in full context. So, nobody, even Nazgul or TB should post on this topic? Nobody, not 1 post after OP? Or maybe thats what a forum is for? To discuss and learn? Not to : "Hey only our heroes could post because they know everything". Because they didn´t. Nobody knows. Only the subject. | ||
captainwaffles
United States1050 Posts
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X10A
Canada9837 Posts
I hope I see him again playing BW | ||
GatsbyTheGreat
68 Posts
On October 25 2013 02:15 TeflonArena wrote: Really appreciate comments from TB and Nazgul - people that know their stuff. So tired of the negative vocal minority and clueless forum posters both making inane comments without knowing really the full context. They know a bit more, but not to full context, their statements are certainly based on personal judgement. And also Nazgul has credibility, TB lacks it. | ||
DwD
Sweden8621 Posts
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Vansetsu
United States1452 Posts
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BigFan
TLADT24917 Posts
On October 25 2013 04:54 ChoDing wrote: Show nested quote + On October 25 2013 04:52 lolfail9001 wrote: On October 25 2013 04:44 ChoDing wrote: Aiite free, one of my favorite six dragons, time to join zero By the way, where is poor guy? After all he played the damn games for 9 years :O Idk...preparing his retirement statement? God of battle is coming back to bw! sorry, that's saviour -> God of the battlefield(final edit*) *unless I'm mistaken lol | ||
Ammanas
Slovakia2166 Posts
On October 25 2013 01:27 BisuDagger wrote: Show nested quote + On October 25 2013 01:10 Prog455 wrote: On October 25 2013 00:40 Kergy wrote: One less reason to care about SC2. Yea - because ZerO was like super relevent to the scene. I wonder how many of the people who claim that SC2 is dying is coming from a BW background, because as someone who didn't follow BW people such as Bisu, Jangbi, ZerO and so on might aswell never have exsisted. I understand that these players have a huge legacy from BW but to be fair, almost none of them added anything to the SC2 scene. Most casual viewers who only watches Premier League and Premier tournaments might not even have seen more than a few games these people. During the eight months Proleague ran Bisu played like 20 games or so. Obviously Kespa players didn't make quite the impact on the scene that people expected them to do, and i can understand why people who used to be at the top of the food-chain wouldn't want to start all over again. I never say BW is dieing, but I am someone who came from BW and waited 2 years and watched SC2 consistently anticipating the BW switch of Kespa pros to SC2 because I love them as people themselves and wanted to be able to support them in SC2. I feel like it's just a strong vocal minority of people that ring loud when they says SC2 is dieing and it hurts. The same a**holes did it to BW when times were tough. But years later I'm having tons of fun with BW still. SC2 will do the same thing. Sooner or later you just have to drown them out. But it's not BW fans that are preaching this. Pure BW fans just don't care to waste their time here and hurt people. It's an infection within the SC2 community itself. The responsibility falls on the abundance of fans the still remain the SC2 world to start being louder than the vocal minority. I left SC2 forums for a while because the SC2 community stopped having pride and being supportive. Instead posters have allowed the vocal minority to walk over them. Instead of replying to the SC2 dieing preachers take an effort to discuss games in forums. Make jokes with each other. Start rivalry battles in LR thread. Make cheerfuls. For fuck sakes scream as loud as you can at every game about how amazing it was. Then the bug will come back. The one that made everyone want to be a part of Starcraft 2. The one that took the world by storm. Stop blaming people and get your shit together SC2 community. Yes, but it is also pretty obvious why people are doing this. Besides the obvious trolls - some people post these things, because they do care. I do care and though I also never write SC2 is dying, I am not blind. The problem is the past and also the present. Past - BW - is obvious. Everyone knows what BW scene looked like and everyone also knows the SC2 scene doesn't look like that. It is saddening. And the present? When people see what LoL is like in Korea, when I saw the broadcast of OGN the Champions for a first time - i was just hurt. It hurts seeing OGN stadium full with people screaming - just few days after the same stadium was more or less empty during Proleague broadcast. Another thing also is, that even though we are fans of SC2, we do see that the game is not the best. Or rather, that it could be much better. It would probably take much, but there certainly are ways to make it better. That's why people are constantly posting these threads about 'WCS redesing' and 'redesign of protoss' and 'stronger mech' and 'redesigning economy'. Not because they want to troll and just say SC2 is dying. Quite the opposite actually (for the most part) - it's because they do CARE a lot and they want for a good game to become even BETTER. They want Blizzard (because quite frankly, nobody else can) do SOMETHING to make the full stadiums for RTS a possibility again - like it was during BW. | ||
Glenn313
United States475 Posts
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Skynx
Turkey7150 Posts
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SmoKim
Denmark10277 Posts
On October 25 2013 01:27 BisuDagger wrote: Show nested quote + On October 25 2013 01:10 Prog455 wrote: On October 25 2013 00:40 Kergy wrote: One less reason to care about SC2. Yea - because ZerO was like super relevent to the scene. I wonder how many of the people who claim that SC2 is dying is coming from a BW background, because as someone who didn't follow BW people such as Bisu, Jangbi, ZerO and so on might aswell never have exsisted. I understand that these players have a huge legacy from BW but to be fair, almost none of them added anything to the SC2 scene. Most casual viewers who only watches Premier League and Premier tournaments might not even have seen more than a few games these people. During the eight months Proleague ran Bisu played like 20 games or so. Obviously Kespa players didn't make quite the impact on the scene that people expected them to do, and i can understand why people who used to be at the top of the food-chain wouldn't want to start all over again. I never say BW is dieing, but I am someone who came from BW and waited 2 years and watched SC2 consistently anticipating the BW switch of Kespa pros to SC2 because I love them as people themselves and wanted to be able to support them in SC2. I feel like it's just a strong vocal minority of people that ring loud when they says SC2 is dieing and it hurts. The same a**holes did it to BW when times were tough. But years later I'm having tons of fun with BW still. SC2 will do the same thing. Sooner or later you just have to drown them out. But it's not BW fans that are preaching this. Pure BW fans just don't care to waste their time here and hurt people. It's an infection within the SC2 community itself. The responsibility falls on the abundance of fans the still remain the SC2 world to start being louder than the vocal minority. I left SC2 forums for a while because the SC2 community stopped having pride and being supportive. Instead posters have allowed the vocal minority to walk over them. Instead of replying to the SC2 dieing preachers take an effort to discuss games in forums. Make jokes with each other. Start rivalry battles in LR thread. Make cheerfuls. For fuck sakes scream as loud as you can at every game about how amazing it was. Then the bug will come back. The one that made everyone want to be a part of Starcraft 2. The one that took the world by storm. Stop blaming people and get your shit together SC2 community. If i could put this entire post in the Userprofile quotes, i would | ||
PanN
United States2828 Posts
On October 25 2013 05:28 Taipoka wrote: Show nested quote + On October 25 2013 02:15 TeflonArena wrote: Really appreciate comments from TB and Nazgul - people that know their stuff. So tired of the negative vocal minority and clueless forum posters both making inane comments without knowing really the full context. Interesting. If you think about it, only Zero know about his retirement in full context. So, nobody, even Nazgul or TB should post on this topic? Nobody, not 1 post after OP? Or maybe thats what a forum is for? To discuss and learn? Not to : "Hey only our heroes could post because they know everything". Because they didn´t. Nobody knows. Only the subject. Actually thats extremely uninteresting. Obviously no one knows the entire reasoning for zeros retirement except for zero himself. This is beyond obvious. But people that don't even have a clue who zero is are the ones that were talking, and people that DO know their shit came and corrected them. They don't know the full context, does this matter what so ever at all? No. Is it interesting to think about? Not even the tiniest bit. I'm honestly quite confused at your completely random statement. | ||
Dubzex
United States6994 Posts
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Dontkillme
Korea (South)806 Posts
ill miss u <3 | ||
Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
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zyce
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Louuster
Canada2869 Posts
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Debarbie
Sweden204 Posts
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purakushi
United States3300 Posts
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Wonders
Australia753 Posts
On October 25 2013 00:23 StarStruck wrote: Considering Bravo was the StarS player picked up? Yeah, a lot of us saw this one coming. Stork nose to Sonic.] Show nested quote + On October 25 2013 00:06 Mattidute wrote: On October 25 2013 00:00 DiMano wrote: On October 24 2013 22:57 TotalBiscuit wrote: And now you know why nobody picked him up I wonder if any foreign team offers him a contract? I doubt that JangBi, Bisu and ZerO would miss the opportunity to travel around the world and play in foreign events. I think they see no future in Korea and there was no opportunity to contact foreign teams coz it would look incorrect to ask for something for such big players so they decided to retire. He probably had some foreign teams that tried to offer him a contract, but no doubt ZerO declined them due to to low salary (as ZerO probably wanted a Woongjin Stars-like salary that he had) and the 2 KeSPA teams that still actively hire players in SC2 (SKT T1 and KT) already hired a few new players lately so they probably didn't want to spend a big salary either on him at which point ZerO probably just called it quits and retired. UMMMM, his salary with Woongjin was modest at best. Not every KeSPA player was making a whole lot you know. >_< Whether it be low-balling or asking for a pay increase his position to negotiate was meh considering he played second fiddle to SK going back to BW. Really shitty position for him nonetheless. -__- Zero was a top zerg player before I even heard of Soulkey. His drone micro, storm dodging, purple glasses, and adorable smile made him my favourite player. Time to finally change my team icon | ||
SlayerS_BunkiE
Canada1701 Posts
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krogdog101
United States20 Posts
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zelderan
United States163 Posts
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GinDo
3327 Posts
I would have liked SC2 Tournaments to have been more Team orientated. I think this would have reduced the impact these retirements are having on the T_T. Bye Zero... | ||
writer22816
United States5775 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On October 25 2013 10:24 krogdog101 wrote: Can legacy of the void come out faster please? I see a trend here that could be stopped by just hurrying up the next expansion. Doubtful, BW players are going to retire regardless. It's better that people stop acting like it is the end of the world. | ||
BabyRomatic
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On October 25 2013 10:50 Plansix wrote: Show nested quote + On October 25 2013 10:24 krogdog101 wrote: Can legacy of the void come out faster please? I see a trend here that could be stopped by just hurrying up the next expansion. Doubtful, BW players are going to retire regardless. It's better that people stop acting like it is the end of the world. YOLO. Gotta prepare for it. | ||
L3gendary
Canada1469 Posts
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GinDo
3327 Posts
On October 25 2013 10:50 Plansix wrote: Show nested quote + On October 25 2013 10:24 krogdog101 wrote: Can legacy of the void come out faster please? I see a trend here that could be stopped by just hurrying up the next expansion. Doubtful, BW players are going to retire regardless. It's better that people stop acting like it is the end of the world. Yea, if I was in my early 20s and not seeing a fruitful future in gaming. I would probably retire before it was to late. | ||
FlaShFTW
United States9627 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On October 25 2013 11:24 GinDo wrote: Show nested quote + On October 25 2013 10:50 Plansix wrote: On October 25 2013 10:24 krogdog101 wrote: Can legacy of the void come out faster please? I see a trend here that could be stopped by just hurrying up the next expansion. Doubtful, BW players are going to retire regardless. It's better that people stop acting like it is the end of the world. Yea, if I was in my early 20s and not seeing a fruitful future in gaming. I would probably retire before it was to late. Or taking a pay cut for a job your not thrilled with. Which is a good reason to change jobs. That's what I would do. | ||
ChoDing
United States740 Posts
On October 25 2013 07:06 BigFan wrote: Show nested quote + On October 25 2013 04:54 ChoDing wrote: On October 25 2013 04:52 lolfail9001 wrote: On October 25 2013 04:44 ChoDing wrote: Aiite free, one of my favorite six dragons, time to join zero By the way, where is poor guy? After all he played the damn games for 9 years :O Idk...preparing his retirement statement? God of battle is coming back to bw! sorry, that's saviour -> God of the battlefield(final edit*) *unless I'm mistaken lol sorry to break your heart hun, but 전투의 신, aka god of the battlefield, korean caster referred to free | ||
StarStruck
25339 Posts
On October 25 2013 09:43 Wonders wrote: Show nested quote + On October 25 2013 00:23 StarStruck wrote: Considering Bravo was the StarS player picked up? Yeah, a lot of us saw this one coming. Stork nose to Sonic.] On October 25 2013 00:06 Mattidute wrote: On October 25 2013 00:00 DiMano wrote: On October 24 2013 22:57 TotalBiscuit wrote: And now you know why nobody picked him up I wonder if any foreign team offers him a contract? I doubt that JangBi, Bisu and ZerO would miss the opportunity to travel around the world and play in foreign events. I think they see no future in Korea and there was no opportunity to contact foreign teams coz it would look incorrect to ask for something for such big players so they decided to retire. He probably had some foreign teams that tried to offer him a contract, but no doubt ZerO declined them due to to low salary (as ZerO probably wanted a Woongjin Stars-like salary that he had) and the 2 KeSPA teams that still actively hire players in SC2 (SKT T1 and KT) already hired a few new players lately so they probably didn't want to spend a big salary either on him at which point ZerO probably just called it quits and retired. UMMMM, his salary with Woongjin was modest at best. Not every KeSPA player was making a whole lot you know. >_< Whether it be low-balling or asking for a pay increase his position to negotiate was meh considering he played second fiddle to SK going back to BW. Really shitty position for him nonetheless. -__- Zero was a top zerg player before I even heard of Soulkey. His drone micro, storm dodging, purple glasses, and adorable smile made him my favourite player. Time to finally change my team icon Long, long time ago man. Well aware when ZerO was the go-to, but once SoulKey emerged he never really looked back. Still those guys weren't making a whole lot back then. It sucks when you don't have a lot of titles to show for your work but he did do fairly well. Just didn't really get paid for his efforts and Boooo on changing logos. I never changed mine from MBC for all these years even when Bisu and July got fucking traded. Heck, I'm even posting about Bisu being on the Telecom team for Sonic PL, but he was with SK last. Still BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Ha ha ha. I guess they have to make it fair. D: | ||
Ciryandor
United States3735 Posts
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LuckyMacro
United States1482 Posts
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sM.Zik
Canada2541 Posts
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DMXD
United States4064 Posts
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BigFan
TLADT24917 Posts
On October 25 2013 12:05 ChoDing wrote: Show nested quote + On October 25 2013 07:06 BigFan wrote: On October 25 2013 04:54 ChoDing wrote: On October 25 2013 04:52 lolfail9001 wrote: On October 25 2013 04:44 ChoDing wrote: Aiite free, one of my favorite six dragons, time to join zero By the way, where is poor guy? After all he played the damn games for 9 years :O Idk...preparing his retirement statement? God of battle is coming back to bw! sorry, that's saviour -> God of the battlefield(final edit*) *unless I'm mistaken lol sorry to break your heart hun, but 전투의 신, aka god of the battlefield, korean caster referred to free free is the god of the battlefield? I can't understand Korean^ lol. I went by the TL final edit thus the naming. On October 25 2013 13:44 DMXD wrote: I really though zero gonna be awesome at sc2 to be honest. He is not a generic macro zerg with great mechanical and he is one of the more creative zergs around in bw. his game against Trap in PL finals was pretty amazing to watch but doesn't help that he lost and only just made code A qualifiers again. | ||
jsharick
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Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
On October 25 2013 12:12 StarStruck wrote: There was literally never a point in bw where SK was better than zero...I mean zero left broodwar with a semi final osl run for crying out loud. SK was twiddling his thumbs at the time.Show nested quote + On October 25 2013 09:43 Wonders wrote: On October 25 2013 00:23 StarStruck wrote: Considering Bravo was the StarS player picked up? Yeah, a lot of us saw this one coming. Stork nose to Sonic.] On October 25 2013 00:06 Mattidute wrote: On October 25 2013 00:00 DiMano wrote: On October 24 2013 22:57 TotalBiscuit wrote: And now you know why nobody picked him up I wonder if any foreign team offers him a contract? I doubt that JangBi, Bisu and ZerO would miss the opportunity to travel around the world and play in foreign events. I think they see no future in Korea and there was no opportunity to contact foreign teams coz it would look incorrect to ask for something for such big players so they decided to retire. He probably had some foreign teams that tried to offer him a contract, but no doubt ZerO declined them due to to low salary (as ZerO probably wanted a Woongjin Stars-like salary that he had) and the 2 KeSPA teams that still actively hire players in SC2 (SKT T1 and KT) already hired a few new players lately so they probably didn't want to spend a big salary either on him at which point ZerO probably just called it quits and retired. UMMMM, his salary with Woongjin was modest at best. Not every KeSPA player was making a whole lot you know. >_< Whether it be low-balling or asking for a pay increase his position to negotiate was meh considering he played second fiddle to SK going back to BW. Really shitty position for him nonetheless. -__- Zero was a top zerg player before I even heard of Soulkey. His drone micro, storm dodging, purple glasses, and adorable smile made him my favourite player. Time to finally change my team icon Long, long time ago man. Well aware when ZerO was the go-to, but once SoulKey emerged he never really looked back. Still those guys weren't making a whole lot back then. It sucks when you don't have a lot of titles to show for your work but he did do fairly well. Just didn't really get paid for his efforts and Boooo on changing logos. I never changed mine from MBC for all these years even when Bisu and July got fucking traded. Heck, I'm even posting about Bisu being on the Telecom team for Sonic PL, but he was with SK last. Still BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Ha ha ha. I guess they have to make it fair. D: | ||
TriZ
Belgium379 Posts
These retirements are really nothing strange, the scene's size is only normalizing. And there's still alot of players left. Good luck to ZerO nonetheless! I liked his play in Proleague. | ||
Arco
United States2090 Posts
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Jaded.
United States125 Posts
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
On October 25 2013 13:52 BigFan wrote: Show nested quote + On October 25 2013 12:05 ChoDing wrote: On October 25 2013 07:06 BigFan wrote: On October 25 2013 04:54 ChoDing wrote: On October 25 2013 04:52 lolfail9001 wrote: On October 25 2013 04:44 ChoDing wrote: Aiite free, one of my favorite six dragons, time to join zero By the way, where is poor guy? After all he played the damn games for 9 years :O Idk...preparing his retirement statement? God of battle is coming back to bw! sorry, that's saviour -> God of the battlefield(final edit*) *unless I'm mistaken lol sorry to break your heart hun, but 전투의 신, aka god of the battlefield, korean caster referred to free free is the god of the battlefield? I can't understand Korean^ lol. I went by the TL final edit thus the naming. Free is famous in Korea for his management during actual battles, while his decision making and macro might not be the best he usually shines during engagements, hence the name. I think alot of that came from the 6 dragons era though. | ||
Froadac
United States6733 Posts
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GumBa
United Kingdom31934 Posts
Hope he plays bw | ||
Fuchsteufelswild
Australia2028 Posts
So long as he plays and streams BW like others and then competes in the different tournaments like SOSPA, it is probably for the best given that he hasn't stayed on Woongjin Stars' SC2 team. I've loved by.hero's stream recently (not that he ever went into SC2 ) and ZerO is one of those I would most like to see play. | ||
Eire_91
Ireland82 Posts
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
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lolmlg
619 Posts
On October 25 2013 15:02 Dazed_Spy wrote: Show nested quote + There was literally never a point in bw where SK was better than zero...I mean zero left broodwar with a semi final osl run for crying out loud. SK was twiddling his thumbs at the time.On October 25 2013 12:12 StarStruck wrote: On October 25 2013 09:43 Wonders wrote: On October 25 2013 00:23 StarStruck wrote: Considering Bravo was the StarS player picked up? Yeah, a lot of us saw this one coming. Stork nose to Sonic.] On October 25 2013 00:06 Mattidute wrote: On October 25 2013 00:00 DiMano wrote: On October 24 2013 22:57 TotalBiscuit wrote: And now you know why nobody picked him up I wonder if any foreign team offers him a contract? I doubt that JangBi, Bisu and ZerO would miss the opportunity to travel around the world and play in foreign events. I think they see no future in Korea and there was no opportunity to contact foreign teams coz it would look incorrect to ask for something for such big players so they decided to retire. He probably had some foreign teams that tried to offer him a contract, but no doubt ZerO declined them due to to low salary (as ZerO probably wanted a Woongjin Stars-like salary that he had) and the 2 KeSPA teams that still actively hire players in SC2 (SKT T1 and KT) already hired a few new players lately so they probably didn't want to spend a big salary either on him at which point ZerO probably just called it quits and retired. UMMMM, his salary with Woongjin was modest at best. Not every KeSPA player was making a whole lot you know. >_< Whether it be low-balling or asking for a pay increase his position to negotiate was meh considering he played second fiddle to SK going back to BW. Really shitty position for him nonetheless. -__- Zero was a top zerg player before I even heard of Soulkey. His drone micro, storm dodging, purple glasses, and adorable smile made him my favourite player. Time to finally change my team icon Long, long time ago man. Well aware when ZerO was the go-to, but once SoulKey emerged he never really looked back. Still those guys weren't making a whole lot back then. It sucks when you don't have a lot of titles to show for your work but he did do fairly well. Just didn't really get paid for his efforts and Boooo on changing logos. I never changed mine from MBC for all these years even when Bisu and July got fucking traded. Heck, I'm even posting about Bisu being on the Telecom team for Sonic PL, but he was with SK last. Still BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Ha ha ha. I guess they have to make it fair. D: At the end of Brood War they were separated in the Elo rankings by a whopping three points. You all need to stop mincing words. | ||
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On October 25 2013 13:52 BigFan wrote: Show nested quote + On October 25 2013 12:05 ChoDing wrote: On October 25 2013 07:06 BigFan wrote: On October 25 2013 04:54 ChoDing wrote: On October 25 2013 04:52 lolfail9001 wrote: On October 25 2013 04:44 ChoDing wrote: Aiite free, one of my favorite six dragons, time to join zero By the way, where is poor guy? After all he played the damn games for 9 years :O Idk...preparing his retirement statement? God of battle is coming back to bw! sorry, that's saviour -> God of the battlefield(final edit*) *unless I'm mistaken lol sorry to break your heart hun, but 전투의 신, aka god of the battlefield, korean caster referred to free free is the god of the battlefield? I can't understand Korean^ lol. I went by the TL final edit thus the naming. Show nested quote + On October 25 2013 13:44 DMXD wrote: I really though zero gonna be awesome at sc2 to be honest. He is not a generic macro zerg with great mechanical and he is one of the more creative zergs around in bw. his game against Trap in PL finals was pretty amazing to watch but doesn't help that he lost and only just made code A qualifiers again. lol i think its God of Battles in korean. korean casters always say '전투하면 윤용태죠' in english, 'When it comes to fight (or battle), its free' They always praise him for good fights and even when he was behind, they believed his good battles will bring come back for him to actually win the game. anyways, zero, welcome to SRT till you go to army | ||
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On October 26 2013 06:04 lolmlg wrote: Are you seriously trying to pretend ELO has some kind of meaning whatsoever? LOL.Show nested quote + On October 25 2013 15:02 Dazed_Spy wrote: On October 25 2013 12:12 StarStruck wrote: There was literally never a point in bw where SK was better than zero...I mean zero left broodwar with a semi final osl run for crying out loud. SK was twiddling his thumbs at the time.On October 25 2013 09:43 Wonders wrote: On October 25 2013 00:23 StarStruck wrote: Considering Bravo was the StarS player picked up? Yeah, a lot of us saw this one coming. Stork nose to Sonic.] On October 25 2013 00:06 Mattidute wrote: On October 25 2013 00:00 DiMano wrote: On October 24 2013 22:57 TotalBiscuit wrote: And now you know why nobody picked him up I wonder if any foreign team offers him a contract? I doubt that JangBi, Bisu and ZerO would miss the opportunity to travel around the world and play in foreign events. I think they see no future in Korea and there was no opportunity to contact foreign teams coz it would look incorrect to ask for something for such big players so they decided to retire. He probably had some foreign teams that tried to offer him a contract, but no doubt ZerO declined them due to to low salary (as ZerO probably wanted a Woongjin Stars-like salary that he had) and the 2 KeSPA teams that still actively hire players in SC2 (SKT T1 and KT) already hired a few new players lately so they probably didn't want to spend a big salary either on him at which point ZerO probably just called it quits and retired. UMMMM, his salary with Woongjin was modest at best. Not every KeSPA player was making a whole lot you know. >_< Whether it be low-balling or asking for a pay increase his position to negotiate was meh considering he played second fiddle to SK going back to BW. Really shitty position for him nonetheless. -__- Zero was a top zerg player before I even heard of Soulkey. His drone micro, storm dodging, purple glasses, and adorable smile made him my favourite player. Time to finally change my team icon Long, long time ago man. Well aware when ZerO was the go-to, but once SoulKey emerged he never really looked back. Still those guys weren't making a whole lot back then. It sucks when you don't have a lot of titles to show for your work but he did do fairly well. Just didn't really get paid for his efforts and Boooo on changing logos. I never changed mine from MBC for all these years even when Bisu and July got fucking traded. Heck, I'm even posting about Bisu being on the Telecom team for Sonic PL, but he was with SK last. Still BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Ha ha ha. I guess they have to make it fair. D: At the end of Brood War they were separated in the Elo rankings by a whopping three points. You all need to stop mincing words. | ||
Subversive
Australia2229 Posts
On October 26 2013 12:46 Dazed_Spy wrote: Show nested quote + Are you seriously trying to pretend ELO has some kind of meaning whatsoever? LOL.On October 26 2013 06:04 lolmlg wrote: On October 25 2013 15:02 Dazed_Spy wrote: On October 25 2013 12:12 StarStruck wrote: There was literally never a point in bw where SK was better than zero...I mean zero left broodwar with a semi final osl run for crying out loud. SK was twiddling his thumbs at the time.On October 25 2013 09:43 Wonders wrote: On October 25 2013 00:23 StarStruck wrote: Considering Bravo was the StarS player picked up? Yeah, a lot of us saw this one coming. Stork nose to Sonic.] On October 25 2013 00:06 Mattidute wrote: On October 25 2013 00:00 DiMano wrote: On October 24 2013 22:57 TotalBiscuit wrote: And now you know why nobody picked him up I wonder if any foreign team offers him a contract? I doubt that JangBi, Bisu and ZerO would miss the opportunity to travel around the world and play in foreign events. I think they see no future in Korea and there was no opportunity to contact foreign teams coz it would look incorrect to ask for something for such big players so they decided to retire. He probably had some foreign teams that tried to offer him a contract, but no doubt ZerO declined them due to to low salary (as ZerO probably wanted a Woongjin Stars-like salary that he had) and the 2 KeSPA teams that still actively hire players in SC2 (SKT T1 and KT) already hired a few new players lately so they probably didn't want to spend a big salary either on him at which point ZerO probably just called it quits and retired. UMMMM, his salary with Woongjin was modest at best. Not every KeSPA player was making a whole lot you know. >_< Whether it be low-balling or asking for a pay increase his position to negotiate was meh considering he played second fiddle to SK going back to BW. Really shitty position for him nonetheless. -__- Zero was a top zerg player before I even heard of Soulkey. His drone micro, storm dodging, purple glasses, and adorable smile made him my favourite player. Time to finally change my team icon Long, long time ago man. Well aware when ZerO was the go-to, but once SoulKey emerged he never really looked back. Still those guys weren't making a whole lot back then. It sucks when you don't have a lot of titles to show for your work but he did do fairly well. Just didn't really get paid for his efforts and Boooo on changing logos. I never changed mine from MBC for all these years even when Bisu and July got fucking traded. Heck, I'm even posting about Bisu being on the Telecom team for Sonic PL, but he was with SK last. Still BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Ha ha ha. I guess they have to make it fair. D: At the end of Brood War they were separated in the Elo rankings by a whopping three points. You all need to stop mincing words. I agree. ZerO came and sat with Free as the Ace, finally eclipsing him. And Soulkey did the same with ZerO. ZerO was always an amazing A-class player though. It's interesting, this is actually one big broodwar name retiring that got placed in sc2, almost without comment. | ||
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StarStruck
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On October 26 2013 13:40 Subversive wrote: Show nested quote + On October 26 2013 12:46 Dazed_Spy wrote: On October 26 2013 06:04 lolmlg wrote: Are you seriously trying to pretend ELO has some kind of meaning whatsoever? LOL.On October 25 2013 15:02 Dazed_Spy wrote: On October 25 2013 12:12 StarStruck wrote: There was literally never a point in bw where SK was better than zero...I mean zero left broodwar with a semi final osl run for crying out loud. SK was twiddling his thumbs at the time.On October 25 2013 09:43 Wonders wrote: On October 25 2013 00:23 StarStruck wrote: Considering Bravo was the StarS player picked up? Yeah, a lot of us saw this one coming. Stork nose to Sonic.] On October 25 2013 00:06 Mattidute wrote: On October 25 2013 00:00 DiMano wrote: On October 24 2013 22:57 TotalBiscuit wrote: And now you know why nobody picked him up I wonder if any foreign team offers him a contract? I doubt that JangBi, Bisu and ZerO would miss the opportunity to travel around the world and play in foreign events. I think they see no future in Korea and there was no opportunity to contact foreign teams coz it would look incorrect to ask for something for such big players so they decided to retire. He probably had some foreign teams that tried to offer him a contract, but no doubt ZerO declined them due to to low salary (as ZerO probably wanted a Woongjin Stars-like salary that he had) and the 2 KeSPA teams that still actively hire players in SC2 (SKT T1 and KT) already hired a few new players lately so they probably didn't want to spend a big salary either on him at which point ZerO probably just called it quits and retired. UMMMM, his salary with Woongjin was modest at best. Not every KeSPA player was making a whole lot you know. >_< Whether it be low-balling or asking for a pay increase his position to negotiate was meh considering he played second fiddle to SK going back to BW. Really shitty position for him nonetheless. -__- Zero was a top zerg player before I even heard of Soulkey. His drone micro, storm dodging, purple glasses, and adorable smile made him my favourite player. Time to finally change my team icon Long, long time ago man. Well aware when ZerO was the go-to, but once SoulKey emerged he never really looked back. Still those guys weren't making a whole lot back then. It sucks when you don't have a lot of titles to show for your work but he did do fairly well. Just didn't really get paid for his efforts and Boooo on changing logos. I never changed mine from MBC for all these years even when Bisu and July got fucking traded. Heck, I'm even posting about Bisu being on the Telecom team for Sonic PL, but he was with SK last. Still BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Ha ha ha. I guess they have to make it fair. D: At the end of Brood War they were separated in the Elo rankings by a whopping three points. You all need to stop mincing words. I agree. ZerO came and sat with Free as the Ace, finally eclipsing him. And Soulkey did the same with ZerO. ZerO was always an amazing A-class player though. It's interesting, this is actually one big broodwar name retiring that got placed in sc2, almost without comment. ;/ Yep. It pays to follow the scene all the way through. At the end of the day ZerO's prowess was in BW. That's not to say he didn't do well in PL when it turned to SC2 like the rest of the Stars, but his record could have been a lot better too if he didn't make so many ridiculous decisions. He had good advantages in several games and he threw it away. >_< | ||
Monsen
Germany2548 Posts
On October 26 2013 12:46 Dazed_Spy wrote: Show nested quote + Are you seriously trying to pretend a 3 point ELO difference has some kind of meaning whatsoever? LOL.On October 26 2013 06:04 lolmlg wrote: On October 25 2013 15:02 Dazed_Spy wrote: On October 25 2013 12:12 StarStruck wrote: There was literally never a point in bw where SK was better than zero...I mean zero left broodwar with a semi final osl run for crying out loud. SK was twiddling his thumbs at the time.On October 25 2013 09:43 Wonders wrote: On October 25 2013 00:23 StarStruck wrote: Considering Bravo was the StarS player picked up? Yeah, a lot of us saw this one coming. Stork nose to Sonic.] On October 25 2013 00:06 Mattidute wrote: On October 25 2013 00:00 DiMano wrote: On October 24 2013 22:57 TotalBiscuit wrote: And now you know why nobody picked him up I wonder if any foreign team offers him a contract? I doubt that JangBi, Bisu and ZerO would miss the opportunity to travel around the world and play in foreign events. I think they see no future in Korea and there was no opportunity to contact foreign teams coz it would look incorrect to ask for something for such big players so they decided to retire. He probably had some foreign teams that tried to offer him a contract, but no doubt ZerO declined them due to to low salary (as ZerO probably wanted a Woongjin Stars-like salary that he had) and the 2 KeSPA teams that still actively hire players in SC2 (SKT T1 and KT) already hired a few new players lately so they probably didn't want to spend a big salary either on him at which point ZerO probably just called it quits and retired. UMMMM, his salary with Woongjin was modest at best. Not every KeSPA player was making a whole lot you know. >_< Whether it be low-balling or asking for a pay increase his position to negotiate was meh considering he played second fiddle to SK going back to BW. Really shitty position for him nonetheless. -__- Zero was a top zerg player before I even heard of Soulkey. His drone micro, storm dodging, purple glasses, and adorable smile made him my favourite player. Time to finally change my team icon Long, long time ago man. Well aware when ZerO was the go-to, but once SoulKey emerged he never really looked back. Still those guys weren't making a whole lot back then. It sucks when you don't have a lot of titles to show for your work but he did do fairly well. Just didn't really get paid for his efforts and Boooo on changing logos. I never changed mine from MBC for all these years even when Bisu and July got fucking traded. Heck, I'm even posting about Bisu being on the Telecom team for Sonic PL, but he was with SK last. Still BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Ha ha ha. I guess they have to make it fair. D: At the end of Brood War they were separated in the Elo rankings by a whopping three points. You all need to stop mincing words. Fixed that so you don't look like an idiot. yw | ||
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On October 25 2013 04:54 ChoDing wrote: Show nested quote + On October 25 2013 04:52 lolfail9001 wrote: On October 25 2013 04:44 ChoDing wrote: Aiite free, one of my favorite six dragons, time to join zero By the way, where is poor guy? After all he played the damn games for 9 years :O Idk...preparing his retirement statement? God of battle is coming back to bw! SSL9 is going to be amazing! | ||
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On October 27 2013 10:24 GhoSt[shield] wrote: The Apocalypse is almost over hopefully.. Farewell My Purple Prince T_T It's not quite over, but we will take good care of ZerO over here, so don't worry. | ||
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On October 28 2013 00:07 Xiphos wrote: Looks like he will be playing BW from now on: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=367394¤tpage=47#922 It was expected. Question is: when he will stream and will he stream BW if he does :D | ||
Xiphos
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On October 28 2013 00:13 lolfail9001 wrote: Show nested quote + On October 28 2013 00:07 Xiphos wrote: Looks like he will be playing BW from now on: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=367394¤tpage=47#922 It was expected. Question is: when he will stream and will he stream BW if he does :D Keep track of that thread and the stream sidebar. | ||
Subversive
Australia2229 Posts
On October 26 2013 16:02 StarStruck wrote: Show nested quote + On October 26 2013 13:40 Subversive wrote: On October 26 2013 12:46 Dazed_Spy wrote: On October 26 2013 06:04 lolmlg wrote: Are you seriously trying to pretend ELO has some kind of meaning whatsoever? LOL.On October 25 2013 15:02 Dazed_Spy wrote: On October 25 2013 12:12 StarStruck wrote: There was literally never a point in bw where SK was better than zero...I mean zero left broodwar with a semi final osl run for crying out loud. SK was twiddling his thumbs at the time.On October 25 2013 09:43 Wonders wrote: On October 25 2013 00:23 StarStruck wrote: Considering Bravo was the StarS player picked up? Yeah, a lot of us saw this one coming. Stork nose to Sonic.] On October 25 2013 00:06 Mattidute wrote: On October 25 2013 00:00 DiMano wrote: [quote] I wonder if any foreign team offers him a contract? I doubt that JangBi, Bisu and ZerO would miss the opportunity to travel around the world and play in foreign events. I think they see no future in Korea and there was no opportunity to contact foreign teams coz it would look incorrect to ask for something for such big players so they decided to retire. He probably had some foreign teams that tried to offer him a contract, but no doubt ZerO declined them due to to low salary (as ZerO probably wanted a Woongjin Stars-like salary that he had) and the 2 KeSPA teams that still actively hire players in SC2 (SKT T1 and KT) already hired a few new players lately so they probably didn't want to spend a big salary either on him at which point ZerO probably just called it quits and retired. UMMMM, his salary with Woongjin was modest at best. Not every KeSPA player was making a whole lot you know. >_< Whether it be low-balling or asking for a pay increase his position to negotiate was meh considering he played second fiddle to SK going back to BW. Really shitty position for him nonetheless. -__- Zero was a top zerg player before I even heard of Soulkey. His drone micro, storm dodging, purple glasses, and adorable smile made him my favourite player. Time to finally change my team icon Long, long time ago man. Well aware when ZerO was the go-to, but once SoulKey emerged he never really looked back. Still those guys weren't making a whole lot back then. It sucks when you don't have a lot of titles to show for your work but he did do fairly well. Just didn't really get paid for his efforts and Boooo on changing logos. I never changed mine from MBC for all these years even when Bisu and July got fucking traded. Heck, I'm even posting about Bisu being on the Telecom team for Sonic PL, but he was with SK last. Still BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Ha ha ha. I guess they have to make it fair. D: At the end of Brood War they were separated in the Elo rankings by a whopping three points. You all need to stop mincing words. I agree. ZerO came and sat with Free as the Ace, finally eclipsing him. And Soulkey did the same with ZerO. ZerO was always an amazing A-class player though. It's interesting, this is actually one big broodwar name retiring that got placed in sc2, almost without comment. ;/ Yep. It pays to follow the scene all the way through. At the end of the day ZerO's prowess was in BW. That's not to say he didn't do well in PL when it turned to SC2 like the rest of the Stars, but his record could have been a lot better too if he didn't make so many ridiculous decisions. He had good advantages in several games and he threw it away. >_< Haha I was referring to broodwar not sc2 :p. | ||
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