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I'd liked to hear some of the better Pros on their opinion.. I mean don't get me wrong, but they could've certainly asked Naniwa instead of Desrow.. I mean they should've focused on those who actually DO things, instead of talk about them
Although most of them did their part well - pretty sure it would've been actually much better to ask the legit players, instead of potential rising stars IMO..
Though might be wrong cause they might say something like what Ryung said "oh, they nerfing Protoss and buffing Terran ? - cool" - so yah - doesn't help
Still - would be interested to hear what Polt and/or Taeja think about the changes overall
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On February 03 2014 00:12 VArsovskiSC wrote:I'd liked to hear some of the better Pros on their opinion.. I mean don't get me wrong, but they could've certainly asked Naniwa instead of Desrow.. I mean they should've focused on those who actually DO things, instead of talk about them Although most of them did their part well - pretty sure it would've been actually much better to ask the legit players, instead of potential rising stars IMO.. Though might be wrong cause they might say something like what Ryung said "oh, they nerfing Protoss and buffing Terran ? - cool" - so yah - doesn't help Still - would be interested to hear what Polt and/or Taeja think about the changes overall
I am a fan of naniwa, but he still thinks protoss is underpowered -.- Taeja always says terran sucks too.
I actually think the pros chosen are very objective.
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I really like the idea of nerfing MSC range.
Hydra buff isn't going to make it btw. (Too bad I would have had a lot of fun :D)
But come on, stop trying to buff mech. It's so boring, a lot of pros (zergs and terrans) have already same the same. I don't want to play half-map scenario SH/Corrupter/Viper/Infestator against Mech all day long ... If they want to buff mech, buff it against protoss only (This way they share a little bit of our pain ... ><). Lategame skytoss army is undeatable once you reached a certain point. It doesn't matter of much have in banks, how many bases you have ... It's just silly.
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i am looking forward to see the tempest proxy builds if the tempest buff makes it through.
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I hope Blizzard is listening.
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On February 03 2014 00:15 75 wrote: i am looking forward to see the tempest proxy builds if the tempest buff makes it through. Yet another proxy cheese to look out for?
But yeah, I don't think we even needed these pros opinions to know that the changes are just misguided and kinda poor overall. Blizzard seems to be more interested in doing their own thing instead of actually listening to the playerbases biggest concerns.
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interesting article, i hope you will keep up the "Pros' Impressions" in the future. really good idea
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MMA or TLO for prezedent.
Desrow you made me sad. Guess I will bottle my tears and mail them to him.
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Agree with most of this - even the hydra buff being too much.....
Though, I wish they all would have suggested another buff like TLO
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An extremly bad syntax will impact semantic. Ask a specialist what he thinks in a foreign language and he will sound retarded, no matter the width and depth of his knowledge.
In all these opinions, I read mine as well: -MSC nerf is a step in the right direction -Hydra change is damn right imbalanced -Ghost buff doesn't adress the root problem of TvP (will most likely open up some stupid scv train timings though)
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How nice of TL strategy. They don't yell at blizzard to get their shit together but use the pros' opinions as their voice.
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As Protoss isn't screaming bloody murder I think the changes do nothing. A reduction to the MSC Vision range is needed and give Time-Warp a cooldown. 1 Time-Warp every 20-30 seconds is more then enough when you have Force Fields.
I would also like to see revelation time reduces to 30 seconds, vision for 60 seconds for just energy, ridiculous when you already have Probes and Hallucinations.
The Ghost change adds nothing.
The Hydralisk change, please...
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Pros impression? So why desrow is here?
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THE MAPS.... THE MAPS ARE ALL SUPER GOOD FOR BLINK. Blink is viable on almost every map in the map pool. Terran already has enough allins to worry about, I don't think they should have to worry about Blink allins on every map.
Time warp is really useful in PvP and PvZ especially on these open maps, I'd hate to see it nerfed because every map has a huge ramp into the main. THe MSC vision is also useful in PvP for scouting so I want to keep that. Just fix the frickin maps please and that will solve like 90% of the Blink allin issues.
Seriously there has never been such an allin friendly map pool in the history of SC2. Fix that and the game will be better for Terrans in the early game.
The patches IMO don't address the actual problems (Terrans dying to Blink allins, Swarm Hosts being poorly designed).
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On February 03 2014 00:37 niiir wrote: Pros impression? So why desrow is here?
because he is a pro
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desRow qualified for WCS NA Premier, thats pretty much the definition of a pro.
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Personally I would like to hear Idra's take on this. I've always found him to be one of the smartest SC2 players.
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On February 03 2014 00:40 iHirO wrote:desRow qualified for WCS NA Premier, thats pretty much the definition of a pro. And he beat apocalypse who just got top 8 at Asus ROG to get there. He must be a scrub. /sarcasm
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On February 03 2014 00:15 Dools1337 wrote: I really like the idea of nerfing MSC range.
Hydra buff isn't going to make it btw. (Too bad I would have had a lot of fun :D)
But come on, stop trying to buff mech. It's so boring, a lot of pros (zergs and terrans) have already same the same. I don't want to play half-map scenario SH/Corrupter/Viper/Infestator against Mech all day long ... If they want to buff mech, buff it against protoss only (This way they share a little bit of our pain ... ><). Lategame skytoss army is undeatable once you reached a certain point. It doesn't matter of much have in banks, how many bases you have ... It's just silly.
The reason of why Terran mech has to be buffed isn't just cause of some BW/Nostalgia factor.. It is also for the sake of diversity.. Not just diversity in terms of tech routes, but diversity cause of playstyle.. Not everyone is good at splitting Marines.. And THAT's why all the Terran players in lower leagues are disappointed (including me as a Random player) overall
AND - what is worse is the following - by having only one core unit for an entire race totally decides what the Race's strengths and weakness-es will be as a whole - i.e. - Terran is what the Marine is - strong at DPS, weak vs AoE, having to have spread to deny AoE even at lower levels as if you were like a true pro..
So yah - there's much more than just the nostalgia factor in this.. If anything - it's exactly what the game needs.. Terran as a race has far too many Specialist units, and only one Core unit - which is the Marine (some may say Marauder and Medivac - but those are again - Marine 2.0, or at least Marine transport)
The closest anything else to be a core unit is the Thor and the Banshee.. ONLY - the problem is that Thor is far too expensive to be a core unit, and Banshee can be a core unit as long as your opponent doesn't have Air.. So yah - Terran need another core unit that's not the Marine, and honestly I wouldn't care if it came out of Factory, or Starport.. If at least one of those 2 buildings had something as worthy as the Marine - Terran would be in a very good shape across all leagues and across all levels of play overall..
Hence my 51661839534624 posts in all of which I was saying to buff the Widow-Mine and test it as a versatile all-around and not just anti-Zerg unit.. i.e. - test how it feels by it being the Marine 2.0 core unit that comes out of the Factory (hence being a Core-building unit of mech, or even better Bio-Mech) armies.. And yes - there are tons and tons and tooons of ways to buff the Mine vs Protoss to not actually change the anti-Zerg side of it all
Hydra buff would've maybe made ZvZ better, but it would've been so at the cost of totally ruining PvZ which is far greater worse
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lol a zerg himself says that the hydralisk buff is too big :D
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