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hmsrenown
Canada1263 Posts
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Ammanas
Slovakia2166 Posts
Best comparison would imo be an international duty for football(/soccer) or hockey players. For Kespa teams, Proleague is the English Premier League. The individual league is the national team. It is very nice if your player does well, it raises his credit and then the credit of the team, but it is not his job. His job is to play in Premier League. That is why those teams exist. To play there, to win there and to represent their sponsors there. And as far as national duty goes, there are billions of examples of coaches saying 'No!' to players wanting to represent their country during the season. Those examples are everywhere, in football and hockey (which are the only sports I watch). Just saying for my small country in last couple of months - Visnovsky not allowed to play in olympics by Islanders (yes, he eventually agreed with that, but only after it was clear to him that if he goes, he basically fucks up his team spot). Skrtel not allowed to play vs Poland (I think?) by Liverpool. Same for Holosko by Besiktas. In KHL (the Russian hockey league) they almost never let their players play the national team matches during the season (and I know, cause it's basically half of our national team). And that is just one small country - I believe you could find many more examples for other countries... | ||
Goibon
New Zealand8185 Posts
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
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Destructicon
4713 Posts
Still, excited to see Flash, Innovation, TY and Seed get a second chance. Choya and Hyvaa advancing was certainly the biggest wtf moment of today. The CJ thing kind of makes sense I guess, Korea, proleague etc. | ||
OdinnTV
Canada14 Posts
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NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
On March 27 2014 10:07 OdinnTV wrote: Are there videos of this anywhere, or a replay pack? The event was not streamed however a few apm videos from Olivia(works for Axiom) will be going up if that's your thing | ||
-Celestial-
United Kingdom3867 Posts
On March 26 2014 23:26 Ammanas wrote: They gave up chance to play in individual league, in order to focus on THE premier tournament in all of SC2... Case of BW-tinted glasses here I think. Simply put Proleague may have been all-important in BW but it lacks the significance of GSL as far as SC2 goes. It doesn't have the same history in the newer game and the consequently attached prestige that comes with that. That isn't to say its not an important tournament however. Some additional thoughts to my earlier comments: Can't help but feel this will turn out to be a massive mistake. You have more chance of keeping in the bigger leagues once you're already in. Missing out on one of the opportunities to get in there, especially with so few GSLs per year now, is a pretty big deal. | ||
lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22271 Posts
On March 27 2014 05:07 NovemberstOrm wrote: interesting about the cj players not participating. lol I love it when there's a heated discussion and NovstOrm comes out of nowhere with the most neutral response possible | ||
stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On March 27 2014 11:58 lichter wrote: lol I love it when there's a heated discussion and NovstOrm comes out of nowhere with the most neutral response possible Day9 of Forum Posters. | ||
lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22271 Posts
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Yiome
China1687 Posts
put him with 3 zergs pls | ||
bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
On March 27 2014 12:03 lichter wrote: literally Red Tornado we smash bros now literally maxim tomato | ||
Shinta)
United States1716 Posts
On March 27 2014 05:22 Canucklehead wrote: Actually, I think college sports is one of the best examples because I do agree with you that the NCAA is corrupt and have archaic and dumb rules that allows them to make millions off the backs of unpaid athletes. It's the perfect example of the power they wield like Kespa. However, given all that the NCAA will still sanction coaches who go over the line. I'm not saying Kespa will never sanction people either, but it has to be very egregious, such as match fixing, etc. Also, I would lean more to the CJ side if the players were actually missing PL games since the players are primarily contracted for PL, so I applaud teams letting players go to IEM, etc. I still think it should be on a case by case basis and how important that tourney would be to the player, but I'm willing to say the team's have the right for players not to miss PL matches if they so choose. However, in this case the players won't be missing any games and will only miss half a day to a day of practice at most. I think it's not exactly the same as players in sports going to national teams because they're going to represent their country and not their individual glory. SC2 is always tricky to compare to sports at times because while PL is a team league, SC2 is at its core an individual game, like tennis, golf, etc. Those players only represent themselves, except for specific team/country tournaments where they play under a team. Problem is there's not enough money in esports for sc2 players to be like tennis and golf players. In an ideal esports world, all sc2 players would be like polt, white ra and grubby. I do admit to siding with players in esports more just because of the money factor. If PL players were getting paid millions then I would probably have less sympathy. The boston bruins let Zdeno Chara miss 2 regular season games to be the flag bearer for slovakia. I wouldn't really have a problem if the bruins didn't let him do that as he's paid to play in the NHL. Also, my viewpoint comes primary from watching NA sports where the issue of leaving the local team for the national team mid season doesn't really come up unlike in soccer and stuff, so it's not something I've thought about strongly on who is right and wrong there. I like to use sports examples because it's common to do so, but admit the comparisons are not always valid and comparable due to the vast economic differences that exist b/w esports and professional sports. Also, another primary difference being players have no power in esports as there's no players association. It's a very unbalanced level of power, that I don't see changing any time soon because the time and money needed to establish a players association is not realistic. Then you have the prob of all the leagues throughout the world needing to agree with each other and listen to a players association. Sports don't have that problem because the leagues are their own entity. While esports leagues/tourneys are their own entity as well, it's a bit different as there's no player exclusivity with those tourneys apart from Riot and the LCS. Like the NHLPA looks out for players in the NHL. Not for players in the KHL or swedish elite league, etc. The NHL can then form agreements with other leauges like the KHL like respecting each other's contracts and not poach each other's players. It's all a very complex process when you're talking about multiple leagues/tourneys in esports, which I don't think would be solved any time soon due to the economic realities of esports. I agree that KeSPA used to be able to screw people over like the NCAA does, and maybe still can do so, but they've given up most of their power as a governing player's association, and changed into a guidance and tournament/broadcasting organization. They pretty much just run ProLeague and help teams find sponsors now a days, whereas they used to be able to inflict all sorts of rules and regulations on anyone who touched their label. As for CJ, they don't need their players to make a small sum of money playing in Code A if they actually won the qualifiers somehow. They'd rather those players keep to their regular practice routine and try to get to a Code S level before trying to compete. Regardless of how harmless you say competing in the qualifiers could be, when you actually compete, your mindset changes. Your practice routines change, and your mentality changes. Motivation sways one way or another. Right now, the practice partners need to be practice partners and not over extend their limits. Practice hard and help the team prepare for PL (even though they won't be playing, they still aid in the team's preparation), and get yourself to a level where you can prove yourself worthy of coming off the bench. CJ sent herO to IEM and missed 2 PL matches, they could send their players to Code A, but it's not worth it to them as a whole. There are pluses and minuses to every decision, but regardless, this is a decision that CJ can and did make. Don't blame the NBA when the Mavericks sit Dirk out a game so he can rest. Don't blame KeSPA when CJ sits their players out of GSL so they can focus on improving rather than winning. | ||
Mentor
Germany219 Posts
Mafia Zerg is finally in the house! Slayin nerds left and right. | ||
PVJ
Hungary5051 Posts
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TW
Poland255 Posts
19 P 9 T 20 Z In qualifiers: Inno lost to ByuL Fantasy lost to Shine Flash lost to Armani What's gonna happen if they face Soulkey, Roro etc? I wont be surprised if we start Code S with 3 Terran players after Code A. Ridiculous. | ||
oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
On March 27 2014 22:54 TW wrote: Code A 19 P 9 T 20 Z In qualifiers: Inno lost to ByuL Fantasy lost to Shine Flash lost to Armani What's gonna happen if they face Soulkey, Roro etc? I wont be surprised if we start Code S with 3 Terran players after Code A. Ridiculous. At least noone will whine about it because TY is in Code A this time. | ||
Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On March 27 2014 11:44 -Celestial- wrote: Case of BW-tinted glasses here I think. Simply put Proleague may have been all-important in BW but it lacks the significance of GSL as far as SC2 goes. It doesn't have the same history in the newer game and the consequently attached prestige that comes with that. That isn't to say its not an important tournament however. Some additional thoughts to my earlier comments: Can't help but feel this will turn out to be a massive mistake. You have more chance of keeping in the bigger leagues once you're already in. Missing out on one of the opportunities to get in there, especially with so few GSLs per year now, is a pretty big deal. The foreign fans care less about Proleague than in BW, but I'm unconvinced that the same is the case for Korean fans. According to many sources, the number of fans has increased by a lot since this season of Proleague began - coincidentally a season that's miles better than the last one. Did the game's popularity spike for no particular reason? Doubtful. The players still focus a lot on Proleague because of the sponsor exposure there is to gain from it and because coaches and management make it clear (in many cases) that Proleague is number one. As I've said, I don't necessarily support this move, but Proleague is obviously important both to the players and the teams and it makes some kind of sense for them to focus on PL above all else. | ||
Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
On March 27 2014 14:37 Shinta) wrote: Don't blame the NBA when the Mavericks sit Dirk out a game so he can rest. Actually, while I don't mind teams resting stars near the playoffs for injury prevention, a team can take it too far! Also, I don't find the situations comparable because I disagree with you on how important missing half a day of practice would be on the players, including your mindset assessment. http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/11/30/league-fines-spurs-250000-for-not-playing-stars-vs-miami/ League fines Spurs $250,000 for not playing stars vs. Miami Here is Stern’s statement with the fine: “The result here is dictated by the totality of the facts in this case. The Spurs decided to make four of their top players unavailable for an early-season game that was the team’s only regular-season visit to Miami. The team also did this without informing the Heat, the media, or the league office in a timely way. Under these circumstances, I have concluded that the Spurs did a disservice to the league and our fans.” | ||
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