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On August 01 2014 10:57 johnbongham wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 10:48 negativedge wrote: but it's kind of important to try to help and build the scenes you are a part of rather than come off as a mercenary entity, and that's something EG has always had problems with. once the best times are over--and this happens with every game--it takes the devotion of people who actually feel invested to keep the game going. what would happen to SC in Korea right now if the kespa teams completely left SC2 to focus on LoL? could you ever see TSM pulling out of League? and so forth. there's a happy medium here. Exactly. EG is deserving of ridicule for the way they conduct business. I assume that everyone is here because they love starcraft and want to see it thrive, maybe even grow. EG doesn't want to be a part of that anymore. I hope Jaedong realizes this sometime soon. I hate seeing his results suffer. He would be much better off on a real starcraft team.
Regardless of how you feel about a team, shrinkage for the gaming community is not good. An example of this is the Destiny tournament: Personally, I think the guy needs a HEPA filter over his mouth but I respect the fact he took the initiative to contribute 4k to a game I want to see grow. I think there needs to be more personalities in this game than players (this is an unfortunate fact, imo). North Americans love shock value; this sometimes supersedes skill level (i.e. Idra in his older years). If you can ever find both, then you are gold. MC is getting there with his funny antics - this is my closest example.
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You guys think EG is that rich.. they support allot of people
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Makes me feel good about my CM QuickFire purchase over Razer Blackwidow. I probably will be getting a CM Spawn instead of repurchasing Razer Abyssus as well. Also switching to redbull instead of monster when I want to upset my stomach.
Seriously though, this EG feels completely different from the one that kept Machine around forever because he was "like family". Picking up NA talents like Suppy to boost NA talent pool. Now after dumping their Proleague roster unceremoniously they decide to close down Alliance Sc2?
^SirPinky, I agree with everything about being grateful for any monetary support for sc2 eSport. But I strongly think that for eSports to become legitimate in the public's eye, it needs to reform into something that demands professionalism and is driven by talent/skill.
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I just want to friendly reminder: EG placed third at TI4, won I believe 2 of the games at EVO2014, have a very good LoL team and also brand recognition. They may not be invested into SC2 but they do care about winning.
I think Its just that they don't want to dump too much into a contracting game. Also its damn hard to have a successful SC2 team anyway, almost discouraging to even put money into this scene. Axiom still struggles to go very far with their players and arguably they are overall a better team then EG.
You almost have to have connections deep in the Korean underground and pick up 16 year old talent to have a chance at serious success. Whereas you can get a bunch of talented NA and EU players in DOTA2 and get some serious dosh even with 3rd place it was a million bucks IIRC.
If EG wanted too they could probably be the #2 foreign team if they were willing to blow up and go Axiom type buying spree on team less talent but that would be a lot of work and the people who watch EG would be sad all their personalities left so...
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On August 01 2014 12:06 yido wrote: Makes me feel good about my CM QuickFire purchase over Razer Blackwidow. I probably will be getting a CM Spawn instead of repurchasing Razer Abyssus as well. Also switching to redbull instead of monster when I want to upset my stomach.
Seriously though, this EG feels completely different from the one that kept Machine around forever because he was "like family". Picking up NA talents like Suppy to boost NA talent pool. Now after dumping their Proleague roster unceremoniously they decide to close down Alliance Sc2?
^SirPinky, I agree with everything about being grateful for any monetary support for sc2 eSport. But I strongly think that for eSports to become legitimate in the public's eye, it needs to reform into something that demands professionalism and is driven by talent/skill.
Sc2 has a barrier of entry that is hard to overcome. Most people don't know what a 2-base; 7-gate blink all-in is versus Terran, but they do understand when the losing opponent says, "Eat shit, you fuckin' noobie". Most new players would be inquisitive about how a game could make someone so upset. Even when, to the naked eye, it looks like a normal RTS engagement. I think that kind of gameplay helps draw in a new crowd (whether it be positive or negative).
Just remember (if you were around), the biggest boom in tennis was when Andre Agassi and Pete Sampras were around throwing their tennis rackets at each other and cursing at the Refs.
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On August 01 2014 05:17 johnbongham wrote: Just as EG dumped cs entirely, it will eventually dump SC2 entirely. Alex Garfield simply milks the cow while its full and then quietly disappears. I think Alex Garfield just wants results. And to be the best team in any esports game. Idk why you make that statement. EG does a lot as a team for sc2. It's just the game is not that good anymore to watch.
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On August 01 2014 10:48 negativedge wrote: but it's kind of important to try to help and build the scenes you are a part of rather than come off as a mercenary entity, and that's something EG has always had problems with. once the best times are over--and this happens with every game--it takes the devotion of people who actually feel invested to keep the game going. what would happen to SC in Korea right now if the kespa teams completely left SC2 to focus on LoL? could you ever see TSM pulling out of League? and so forth. there's a happy medium here. This just isn't realistic unless you can convince the sponsors that supporting a long time investment into a niche scene is likely to yield future profit. Alex has people he answers to, he's not the king of EG, unless he can justify his investments, he will be get replaced by someone who can.
What would happen in Korea if the teams left Sc2? That seems rather obvious, the Korean scene would disappear.
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On August 01 2014 12:06 yido wrote: Makes me feel good about my CM QuickFire purchase over Razer Blackwidow. I probably will be getting a CM Spawn instead of repurchasing Razer Abyssus as well. Also switching to redbull instead of monster when I want to upset my stomach.
Seriously though, this EG feels completely different from the one that kept Machine around forever because he was "like family". Picking up NA talents like Suppy to boost NA talent pool. Now after dumping their Proleague roster unceremoniously they decide to close down Alliance Sc2?
^SirPinky, I agree with everything about being grateful for any monetary support for sc2 eSport. But I strongly think that for eSports to become legitimate in the public's eye, it needs to reform into something that demands professionalism and is driven by talent/skill.
You know that Razer also sponsor TeamLiquidPro?
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Jaedong to Kespa. God please.
On August 01 2014 12:06 yido wrote: Makes me feel good about my CM QuickFire purchase over Razer Blackwidow. I probably will be getting a CM Spawn instead of repurchasing Razer Abyssus as well. Also switching to redbull instead of monster when I want to upset my stomach.
Seriously though, this EG feels completely different from the one that kept Machine around forever because he was "like family". Picking up NA talents like Suppy to boost NA talent pool. Now after dumping their Proleague roster unceremoniously they decide to close down Alliance Sc2? Less drama please. Closing Alliance SC2 devision? Are you serious? There were never an Alliance SC2 devision to start things off. It was a personal Naniwa sponsoriship. SorOf fell of the scene years ago. In fact, in the times he was signed he already didn't have any results for ages. so him leaving (or being kicked) doesnt mean anything. It all ("Alliance SC2 devision") lost any sense when Nani retired.
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On August 01 2014 16:39 Faust852 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 12:06 yido wrote: Makes me feel good about my CM QuickFire purchase over Razer Blackwidow. I probably will be getting a CM Spawn instead of repurchasing Razer Abyssus as well. Also switching to redbull instead of monster when I want to upset my stomach.
Seriously though, this EG feels completely different from the one that kept Machine around forever because he was "like family". Picking up NA talents like Suppy to boost NA talent pool. Now after dumping their Proleague roster unceremoniously they decide to close down Alliance Sc2?
^SirPinky, I agree with everything about being grateful for any monetary support for sc2 eSport. But I strongly think that for eSports to become legitimate in the public's eye, it needs to reform into something that demands professionalism and is driven by talent/skill. You know that Razer also sponsor TeamLiquidPro?
Or realize it doesn't at all matter who you buy from. Most advertisers do it for the brand recognition, so when you choose which product you buy, you are more likely to buy one because you've seen it before.
Buying because a sponsor supports a certain team is rather silly imo. Simply buy the best product on the market, that will push companies to make a better product, rather than throwing money into things that aren't profitable.
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On August 01 2014 16:48 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 16:39 Faust852 wrote:On August 01 2014 12:06 yido wrote: Makes me feel good about my CM QuickFire purchase over Razer Blackwidow. I probably will be getting a CM Spawn instead of repurchasing Razer Abyssus as well. Also switching to redbull instead of monster when I want to upset my stomach.
Seriously though, this EG feels completely different from the one that kept Machine around forever because he was "like family". Picking up NA talents like Suppy to boost NA talent pool. Now after dumping their Proleague roster unceremoniously they decide to close down Alliance Sc2?
^SirPinky, I agree with everything about being grateful for any monetary support for sc2 eSport. But I strongly think that for eSports to become legitimate in the public's eye, it needs to reform into something that demands professionalism and is driven by talent/skill. You know that Razer also sponsor TeamLiquidPro? Or realize it doesn't at all matter who you buy from. Most advertisers do it for the brand recognition, so when you choose which product you buy, you are more likely to buy one because you've seen it before. Buying because a sponsor supports a certain team is rather silly imo. Simply buy the best product on the market, that will push companies to make a better product, rather than throwing money into things that aren't profitable.
Well if you look at SteelSeries sponsorship history they used pretty much 95% of their marketing budget on teams. Up until late years they havn´t focused on ads, streaming names or entertainment in general. Marketing through teams simply introduces products to the fans who might get a chance to try out the gear through the teams etc. The simple idea that the fans want to have the same gear as their favorite player. Razer uses a slighly different model but has always been on the team sponsorship side as well obviously.
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On August 01 2014 05:17 johnbongham wrote: Just as EG dumped cs entirely, it will eventually dump SC2 entirely. Alex Garfield simply milks the cow while its full and then quietly disappears. Well, you know, thats how businesses work in the real world.
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On August 01 2014 16:48 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 16:39 Faust852 wrote:On August 01 2014 12:06 yido wrote: Makes me feel good about my CM QuickFire purchase over Razer Blackwidow. I probably will be getting a CM Spawn instead of repurchasing Razer Abyssus as well. Also switching to redbull instead of monster when I want to upset my stomach.
Seriously though, this EG feels completely different from the one that kept Machine around forever because he was "like family". Picking up NA talents like Suppy to boost NA talent pool. Now after dumping their Proleague roster unceremoniously they decide to close down Alliance Sc2?
^SirPinky, I agree with everything about being grateful for any monetary support for sc2 eSport. But I strongly think that for eSports to become legitimate in the public's eye, it needs to reform into something that demands professionalism and is driven by talent/skill. You know that Razer also sponsor TeamLiquidPro? Or realize it doesn't at all matter who you buy from. Most advertisers do it for the brand recognition, so when you choose which product you buy, you are more likely to buy one because you've seen it before. Buying because a sponsor supports a certain team is rather silly imo. Simply buy the best product on the market, that will push companies to make a better product, rather than throwing money into things that aren't profitable.
I don't know, lot of high end gears are more or less equal in quality. So the desider is usually your preference. I bought my 6GV2 and my Sensei because Mvp uses them. I have nothing against Razer but since I didn't know what to buy, the fact that my favourite player uses this modele make me buy Steelseries instead of Razer or Roccat.
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On August 01 2014 05:17 ZenithM wrote: Probably one of the most talented up-and-coming zerg players out there :/ I hope he finds a team, maybe a Korean one?
u drunk? why would a korean team pick him up when they can pick up any young upcoming korean that is way better than him
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LOL @ everyone trying to tell me where to spend my money, never asked for any of your unwanted advice. I was only trying to show my support for a player I respect and admire, if I want to show my disappointment in his release by a Razer sponsored team I have the right to do it through switching merchandise loyalty.
And yea I know Razer sponsors liquid, but having a negative response about a sponsor wasn't prohibited on liquid forums either.
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On August 01 2014 23:33 LeviathanDK wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 05:17 ZenithM wrote: Probably one of the most talented up-and-coming zerg players out there :/ I hope he finds a team, maybe a Korean one? u drunk? why would a korean team pick him up when they can pick up any young upcoming korean that is way better than him Yeah, therefore many people tried to tell him that in nice words as an answer to his blog.
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That´s sort of Bad news
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I think we're all forgetting that the iconic patchzerg was Ziktomini.
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On August 01 2014 08:48 johnbongham wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 08:20 TBone- wrote:On August 01 2014 05:17 johnbongham wrote: Just as EG dumped cs entirely, it will eventually dump SC2 entirely. Alex Garfield simply milks the cow while its full and then quietly disappears. Which is a completely reasonable thing to do. They are a business dude t.t. Wow we got a regular Aristotle over here. No shit EG is a business. They are much more a business than an esports organization. Just throwing that out there to those who value loyalty to a scene over $$$$$$$. Alex Garfield doesn't give a shit about the fans, he is just lining his pockets driven by nothing but his thirst for more money. EG has gone from being the ultimate underdog cs team to being the mcdonalds of esports and Alliance is the new Chipotle. Wouldn't be surprised if they even kick Jaedong before he wises up and leaves on his own accord. It was especially annoying when EG was rubbing off on TL for a while. This my opinion, feel free to disagree or sick incontrol on me or whatever. pizza.gg User was warned for this post
Uuuuuh, so many BS
"No shit EG is a business" - BS sentence "Alex Garfield doesn't give a shit about the fans" - just wrong BS "he is just lining his pockets driven by nothing but his thirst for more money" - pathetic BS "Wouldn't be surprised if they even kick Jaedong" - speculative BS
[A] was a way to give Naniwa a home in esport without joining EG officially. SortOf just came along and got there. Now both are gone. So what? NOTHING changed to EG, they still have a full lineup with two players in NA-Premier and with Xeno a good up and coming one.
I feel sad for SortOf because i dont think he will find a good team. None the less: Good Luck!!!
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On August 01 2014 07:15 Ctone23 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 05:56 MrMercuG wrote:On August 01 2014 05:39 Ctone23 wrote:At least foreigners won back then In 2012? About as much or even less then now. Oops, you're right. I'm stuck in 2010-11 No he isn't; Stephano won NASL and LSC in 2012
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