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On August 15 2014 01:10 Destiny wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2014 00:49 LeeJohnDong wrote:On August 15 2014 00:01 KanoCoke wrote: "WE SHOULD DECIDE WHAT TO DO WITH THE SPONSORSHIP MONEY BECAUSE WE'RE THE ONES THAT ALLOWED FOR IT TO HAPPEN!" is a deluded opinion that entitled people who likely didn't even contribute to the Indiegogo have. It wasn't you guys that made the sponsors want to get on-board with Destiny. Destiny himself was as much of a factor as the actual donators.
Seriously, this thread is filled with nutjobs. Dude. Seriously. Just read the thread. I didnt donate, as I hate his attitude as a person and I kinda seen something like this coming. I mean, from his past and reputation, do you honestly think he didnt do this just to make money?? meh.. Deluded is thinking this was a selfless act to "save e-sports" and not for personal gain. I'm glad at least one person sees that here. Peace What if I did a $5,000 tournament with 0 crowd funding and got $10,000 in sponsorships? Would it suddenly be okay for me to keep $5k extra?
Great luck in pulling that off and if you can then you deserve every penny.
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On August 15 2014 01:10 Destiny wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2014 00:49 LeeJohnDong wrote:On August 15 2014 00:01 KanoCoke wrote: "WE SHOULD DECIDE WHAT TO DO WITH THE SPONSORSHIP MONEY BECAUSE WE'RE THE ONES THAT ALLOWED FOR IT TO HAPPEN!" is a deluded opinion that entitled people who likely didn't even contribute to the Indiegogo have. It wasn't you guys that made the sponsors want to get on-board with Destiny. Destiny himself was as much of a factor as the actual donators.
Seriously, this thread is filled with nutjobs. Dude. Seriously. Just read the thread. I didnt donate, as I hate his attitude as a person and I kinda seen something like this coming. I mean, from his past and reputation, do you honestly think he didnt do this just to make money?? meh.. Deluded is thinking this was a selfless act to "save e-sports" and not for personal gain. I'm glad at least one person sees that here. Peace You've had some of the funniest posts in this thread, just FYI. "I seen something like this coming"...seen something like what coming? Me 100% fulfilling my promise that I would use 100% of the funds raised from the Indiegogo to pay for the tournament? Because I did. Also the argument that "he got sponsorships off the back of the Indiegogo" lol wat..? I would have gotten sponsorships regardless, they didn't ask me how the fucking Indiegogo was doing. What if I did a $5,000 tournament with 0 crowd funding and got $10,000 in sponsorships? Would it suddenly be okay for me to keep $5k extra? What if I did a crowd funded tournament and got more subscribers or personal donations or viewers or something "because of the crowd funding"? Should I forward all of that money "back to the community"? Also, please, grow the fuck up. I know being 17 years old and jobless is cool and all, but stop demonizing people who want to make some fucking money. Did I want to make money during this tournament? Yeah, of course, otherwise it's not worth (in a monetary sense) my time, I have to be compensated if you ever want me to put on tournaments like this. Grow the fuck up. I made the same point before, he made the same point, so I guess I'll have to quote it for you:
On August 14 2014 22:25 LeeJohnDong wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2014 22:10 Catbus wrote:On August 14 2014 20:00 LeeJohnDong wrote: Still, it was raised by this tournament, and the only reason it was "left over" is because of the communities contribution. Imho, it should go straight into this 10k tourny idea tbh. realistically, id say most of the community who donated was under the premise that all the money raised would go into the next one. I mean, there would be No sponsorship deals if they hadn't contributed anyway. On August 14 2014 20:45 LeeJohnDong wrote:On August 14 2014 20:09 ObviousOne wrote:On August 14 2014 20:00 LeeJohnDong wrote:On August 14 2014 19:28 NovemberstOrm wrote:On August 14 2014 19:25 LeeJohnDong wrote: imho, you should have asked the community what to do with the leftover cash (Their money). if they voted on a poll or something to say "keep it, you earned it" then yes, it would sit nicer with 90% of the people you have pissed off.. I mean, its their money at the end of the day, they donated it to your tournament that was 100% "crowd funded", at no point did you say you'd take 30% of it for yourself. I for one think that most of that money if not all should have been put forward to the next tournament (which is unlikely to happen now as your inability to take criticism is astounding and just makes things worse).
Plus saying its "2 weeks work" is complete bs too. I mean, he'd of been doing the same shit anyway, and inviting players/etc is not something that takes 8 hours a day. having sleep issues is personal and shouldnt come into a work environment ever.
I'm not even going to comment on the absolute shambles you've made with Kespa. </rant> The event was fully crowd funded the extra money came from the sponsors he had for the event, clarifying just in case theirs some confusion. I was able to raise $1,800 from sponsorships for this event. Since the tournament was fully funded via the Indiegogo, this is money that I can essentially pocket as my "take home" pay for organizing/casting the tournament.
Still, it was raised by this tournament, and the only reason it was "left over" is because of the communities contribution. Imho, it should go straight into this 10k tourny idea tbh. realistically, id say most of the community who donated was under the premise that all the money raised would go into the next one. I mean, there would be No sponsorship deals if they hadn't contributed anyway. Just to clarify your position, you believe that Destiny should earn zero dollars for running this tournament. Is this correct? Funding goals/distribution My budget for this tournament is $5,000.
$200 will go towards the Korean/English bilingual admin I have chosen. He'll be responsible for doing vetos/setting up games and doing post game/post group interviews, if we decide to do them. $200 will go towards art work from the artist. This includes branding/logo, slides between games, and overlays for in game. $600 will go towards casters. I will be paying each invited caster $100 for casting 1 day, meaning I will need 6 different casters for the tournament. If I'm not able to find 6, I'll repeat some casters. So far I've confirmed Incontrol, ToD, Nathanias and Minigun as casters. $500 goes towards Indiegogo fees for fundraising. $4000 will go towards the prize pool. The distribution will be as follows: 1st place $1,600, 2nd place $800, 3rd-4th place $400, 5th-8th place $200. Extra money raised from the Indiegogo will be put towards future tournaments (Destiny II). Nope, never made that point. Im simply saying the community should decide whats deserved + a going about it a different way/smarter way with a poll or something would definitely have silenced alot of people here. taking a sum of that amount for something like that is unjustified by many people here, as you can see from the thread. Makes sense to me. If all money left over go to the next tournament, how much money does he get in salary? IMHO none for this one lol (as he never said he would take any and i find that sneaky and misleading.. as he sold it to the community as everything raised would be going to the tourny, not to his pockets.). but he probably does deserve a bit, but should be "transparent" to the donators to let them know at least beforehand. The campaign Funding goals/distribution specifically mention each person involved, except you. I don't know why but that's my only problem with it. Next time please make sure to state how you get paid too. Personally the function of sponsorship should be to lower the amount needed from crowdfunding hence why I’d make it official crowdfunding perks.
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On August 15 2014 01:10 Destiny wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2014 00:49 LeeJohnDong wrote:On August 15 2014 00:01 KanoCoke wrote: "WE SHOULD DECIDE WHAT TO DO WITH THE SPONSORSHIP MONEY BECAUSE WE'RE THE ONES THAT ALLOWED FOR IT TO HAPPEN!" is a deluded opinion that entitled people who likely didn't even contribute to the Indiegogo have. It wasn't you guys that made the sponsors want to get on-board with Destiny. Destiny himself was as much of a factor as the actual donators.
Seriously, this thread is filled with nutjobs. Dude. Seriously. Just read the thread. I didnt donate, as I hate his attitude as a person and I kinda seen something like this coming. I mean, from his past and reputation, do you honestly think he didnt do this just to make money?? meh.. Deluded is thinking this was a selfless act to "save e-sports" and not for personal gain. I'm glad at least one person sees that here. Peace You've had some of the funniest posts in this thread, just FYI. "I seen something like this coming"...seen something like what coming? Me 100% fulfilling my promise that I would use 100% of the funds raised from the Indiegogo to pay for the tournament? Because I did. Also the argument that "he got sponsorships off the back of the Indiegogo" lol wat..? I would have gotten sponsorships regardless, they didn't ask me how the fucking Indiegogo was doing. What if I did a $5,000 tournament with 0 crowd funding and got $10,000 in sponsorships? Would it suddenly be okay for me to keep $5k extra? What if I did a crowd funded tournament and got more subscribers or personal donations or viewers or something "because of the crowd funding"? Should I forward all of that money "back to the community"? Also, please, grow the fuck up. I know being 17 years old and jobless is cool and all, but stop demonizing people who want to make some fucking money. Did I want to make money during this tournament? Yeah, of course, otherwise it's not worth (in a monetary sense) my time, I have to be compensated if you ever want me to put on tournaments like this. Grow the fuck up.
You are never going to convince these people, but you probably already know most of us feel you are very much entitled to that money, and probably should've deserved more. Just leave this topic be, what needs to be said already has, and set focus on Destiny 2
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On August 15 2014 01:29 Crot4le wrote: All it comes down to is people thinking that this was a community tournament not a for-profit tournament. That's all. At the end of the day it was a good event, I enjoyed it and it was well-run so that's enough for most people including me. But next time you should be more clear about these things before the event because you can see why questions are being asked.
If you didn't assume he was going to keep the money from sponsorships, then you simply don't know how the world works, plain and simple.
Here's a life lesson for you: if someone does not SPECIFICALLY SAY that they will funnel ALL proceeds from ALL sources of income back towards the community/future events, then it is IMPLIED that they will keep that money for themselves. Where else would the money go? There is nothing dishonest about that. Maybe if you're a teenager or pre-teen who's never had a job or had any business dealings, you wouldn't understand this, so may as well learn it now.
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People criticizing his fee are looking at this the wrong way. If he didn't get paid, it would pretty much be a net loss for him considering all the time he put into it. As one of the only people in a position to line up the players and casters that he did, and with the stream visibility to produce some excellent viewer numbers, it is only natural to expect some takeaway for him. The only reason critics even have something to latch on to is because of how transparent he's being about his tournament, which with a couple of exceptions (like TB), no one does. It was a huge success for what it was, with great games and casters, and that's because of Destiny and the work he put in. If the community put $5k into some no-name's tournament, there is little to no chance it would have the production quality or the player/caster quality Destiny arranged for this. He deserves every penny of the sponsorship money.
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On August 15 2014 01:29 LeeJohnDong wrote:Ladies and gentlemen, Destiny "2014" through and through haha. What an immature attitude man. I did see something like this coming. You have that kind of personality. Not the kind that commits selfless acts, but the kind that will do whatever it takes for personal gain, without letting the people who funded you know beforehand. And from what you said, you probably don't need "Crowd Funding" at all eh? Anyway, take no criticism, whine about not getting your way with Kespa (child), take no feedback seriously, get butthurt and argue with everyone, whatever. It doesnt matter. Think its time for you to change a little, for yourself. You're in the public now, not X17, put your "professional" cap on. Whatever you have against him personally, you should be able to understand this is his job.
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On August 15 2014 01:59 Defenestrator wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2014 01:29 Crot4le wrote: All it comes down to is people thinking that this was a community tournament not a for-profit tournament. That's all. At the end of the day it was a good event, I enjoyed it and it was well-run so that's enough for most people including me. But next time you should be more clear about these things before the event because you can see why questions are being asked. If you didn't assume he was going to keep the money from sponsorships, then you simply don't know how the world works, plain and simple. Here's a life lesson for you: if someone does not SPECIFICALLY SAY that they will funnel ALL proceeds from ALL sources of income back towards the community/future events, then it is IMPLIED that they will keep that money for themselves. Where else would the money go? There is nothing dishonest about that. Maybe if you're a teenager or pre-teen who's never had a job or had any business dealings, you wouldn't understand this, so may as well learn it now.
Apart from the fact Destiny DID imply that extra money would go back to the community when he said on Reddit that he was unsure whether to put surplus money into the prize pool or towards Destiny II, I believe he even made a straw poll about it.
Oh and I'm not a teenager and I have had many jobs and done business dealings so yeah, there's that, so you can quit your "you have a different opinion so I'm just gonna pretend you're some random teenager on t'internet".
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If you criticize Destiny for making money, it's just kind of painfully obvious that you don't like him as a person and are fishing for some reason to come in here and argue with him and be dramatic. Because your actual logic is do retarded as to preclude it from being a genuine, non-biased belief. But please go on and keep showcasing your stupidity to us.
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On August 15 2014 02:35 Crot4le wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2014 01:59 Defenestrator wrote:On August 15 2014 01:29 Crot4le wrote: All it comes down to is people thinking that this was a community tournament not a for-profit tournament. That's all. At the end of the day it was a good event, I enjoyed it and it was well-run so that's enough for most people including me. But next time you should be more clear about these things before the event because you can see why questions are being asked. If you didn't assume he was going to keep the money from sponsorships, then you simply don't know how the world works, plain and simple. Here's a life lesson for you: if someone does not SPECIFICALLY SAY that they will funnel ALL proceeds from ALL sources of income back towards the community/future events, then it is IMPLIED that they will keep that money for themselves. Where else would the money go? There is nothing dishonest about that. Maybe if you're a teenager or pre-teen who's never had a job or had any business dealings, you wouldn't understand this, so may as well learn it now. Apart from the fact Destiny DID imply that extra money would go back to the community when he said on Reddit that he was unsure whether to put surplus money into the prize pool or towards Destiny II, I believe he even made a straw poll about it. Oh and I'm not a teenager and I have had many jobs and done business dealings so yeah, there's that, so you can quit your "you have a different opinion so I'm just gonna pretend you're some random teenager on t'internet".
Oh. My. Gawd. Hold the phone. Destiny wasn't perfectly clear about where the extra money was going? You're telling me that after being unsure, he decided he deserved some money himself for time put in? YOU MEAN HE CREATED A STRAW POLL ON REDDIT ABOUT IT TOO?! I can't believe these sacred esports dollars are going to the tournament organiser instead of the players or the next tournament. My mouth is foaming with outraged-infused saliva right now. I NEED to start an internet argument over this.
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On August 15 2014 01:29 LeeJohnDong wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2014 01:10 Destiny wrote:On August 15 2014 00:49 LeeJohnDong wrote:On August 15 2014 00:01 KanoCoke wrote: "WE SHOULD DECIDE WHAT TO DO WITH THE SPONSORSHIP MONEY BECAUSE WE'RE THE ONES THAT ALLOWED FOR IT TO HAPPEN!" is a deluded opinion that entitled people who likely didn't even contribute to the Indiegogo have. It wasn't you guys that made the sponsors want to get on-board with Destiny. Destiny himself was as much of a factor as the actual donators.
Seriously, this thread is filled with nutjobs. Dude. Seriously. Just read the thread. I didnt donate, as I hate his attitude as a person and I kinda seen something like this coming. I mean, from his past and reputation, do you honestly think he didnt do this just to make money?? meh.. Deluded is thinking this was a selfless act to "save e-sports" and not for personal gain. I'm glad at least one person sees that here. Peace You've had some of the funniest posts in this thread, just FYI. "I seen something like this coming"...seen something like what coming? Me 100% fulfilling my promise that I would use 100% of the funds raised from the Indiegogo to pay for the tournament? Because I did. Also the argument that "he got sponsorships off the back of the Indiegogo" lol wat..? I would have gotten sponsorships regardless, they didn't ask me how the fucking Indiegogo was doing. What if I did a $5,000 tournament with 0 crowd funding and got $10,000 in sponsorships? Would it suddenly be okay for me to keep $5k extra? What if I did a crowd funded tournament and got more subscribers or personal donations or viewers or something "because of the crowd funding"? Should I forward all of that money "back to the community"? Also, please, grow the fuck up. I know being 17 years old and jobless is cool and all, but stop demonizing people who want to make some fucking money. Did I want to make money during this tournament? Yeah, of course, otherwise it's not worth (in a monetary sense) my time, I have to be compensated if you ever want me to put on tournaments like this. Grow the fuck up. Ladies and gentlemen, Destiny "2014" through and through haha. What an immature attitude man. I did see something like this coming. You have that kind of personality. Not the kind that commits selfless acts, but the kind that will do whatever it takes for personal gain, without letting the people who funded you know beforehand. And from what you said, you probably don't need "Crowd Funding" at all eh? Anyway, take no criticism, whine about not getting your way with Kespa (child), take no feedback seriously, get butthurt and argue with everyone, whatever. It doesnt matter. Think its time for you to change a little, for yourself. You're in the public now, not X17, put your "professional" cap on.
Do you even read the bs you write down here, or are you simply blinded by all that salty hate?
Destiny wasn't perfectly clear about where the extra money was going?
Too much to follow, "extra money" means the money he raised from sponsors, not "extra donations", right? Because as i understood it (trying to read through the thread), the "leftover" from indiegogo will go into Destiny II?
edit: funniest thing actually is, that if he wouldn't have shown everybody all the numbers (basically doing it like every business in the world conducts things), none of this would ever be an issue. Kinda makes you wonder if being transparent to that level is acutally healthy. You earn respect of some people, but you also awaken the troll in others, not being able to comprehend simple numbers.
Oh wow. Are you like, 12?
He's right though. If Destiny wouldn't have shown you the numbers, you wouldn't (rather, couldn't) give a shit. I actually think people don't give enough credit to that simple fact.
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On August 15 2014 02:48 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2014 02:35 Crot4le wrote:On August 15 2014 01:59 Defenestrator wrote:On August 15 2014 01:29 Crot4le wrote: All it comes down to is people thinking that this was a community tournament not a for-profit tournament. That's all. At the end of the day it was a good event, I enjoyed it and it was well-run so that's enough for most people including me. But next time you should be more clear about these things before the event because you can see why questions are being asked. If you didn't assume he was going to keep the money from sponsorships, then you simply don't know how the world works, plain and simple. Here's a life lesson for you: if someone does not SPECIFICALLY SAY that they will funnel ALL proceeds from ALL sources of income back towards the community/future events, then it is IMPLIED that they will keep that money for themselves. Where else would the money go? There is nothing dishonest about that. Maybe if you're a teenager or pre-teen who's never had a job or had any business dealings, you wouldn't understand this, so may as well learn it now. Apart from the fact Destiny DID imply that extra money would go back to the community when he said on Reddit that he was unsure whether to put surplus money into the prize pool or towards Destiny II, I believe he even made a straw poll about it. Oh and I'm not a teenager and I have had many jobs and done business dealings so yeah, there's that, so you can quit your "you have a different opinion so I'm just gonna pretend you're some random teenager on t'internet". Oh. My. Gawd. Hold the phone. Destiny wasn't perfectly clear about where the extra money was going? You're telling me that after being unsure, he decided he deserved some money himself for time put in? YOU MEAN HE CREATED A STRAW POLL ON REDDIT ABOUT IT TOO?! I can't believe these sacred esports dollars are going to the tournament organiser instead of the players or the next tournament. My mouth is foaming with outraged-infused saliva right now. I NEED to start an internet argument over this.
Oh wow. Are you like, 12?
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I really do not get why Destiny is interacting with people who are being simply unreasonable. Everything he did was completely fine, maybe apart from the whole Kespa thing, which seemed a bit off to me, too, but - frankly speaking - I don't give a flying fuck how their interaction went, because the tournament was very fun and the next one, I assume, can only be better.
Destiny is being completely transparent when it comes to the financial side of things and I, for one, hope this trend will continue in the future. If he earns an extra buck or two doing community a service I'm fine with that as well - and anybody who understands how real life actually works will most likely think the same way, because that was pretty fucking obvious from the get-go. Destiny doesn't need to spell it out for people to realize his time is valuable (because everyone's time is) and he deserves to get paid. He didn't cheat anybody doing so either, he kept his word on everything. Grow the fuck up, people.
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On August 15 2014 02:35 Crot4le wrote: Apart from the fact Destiny DID imply that extra money would go back to the community when he said on Reddit that he was unsure whether to put surplus money into the prize pool or towards Destiny II, I believe he even made a straw poll about it.
You don't cite a source/link for this, so I'm just going to assume that he was referring to the Indigogo money, and he has stayed true to that.
Oh and I'm not a teenager and I have had many jobs and done business dealings so yeah, there's that, so you can quit your "you have a different opinion so I'm just gonna pretend you're some random teenager on t'internet".
When I was implying you might be a teenager, I was giving you the benefit of the doubt. Now you've managed to convince me that you're just plain fucking stupid.
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Destiny is being completely transparent when it comes to the financial side of things and I, for one, hope this trend will continue in the future. If he earns an extra buck or two doing community a service I'm fine with that as well - and anybody who understand how real life actually works will most likely think the same way, because that was pretty fucking obvious from the get-go.
I think that's one of the biggest issues here. I'm blown away by the weird demands of some people. It really comes down to "do you have a job" yes/no. Any sane person would see that somehow, the effort and time has to be valued.
When I was implying you might be a teenager, I was giving you the benefit of the doubt. Now you've managed to convince me that you're just plain fucking stupid.
lol, i thought pretty much the same, especially since "i had many jobs!!!!1!" is kinda nothing to be proud about, but rather (if true, which i doubt) that you're fricking awful at what you're doing.
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On August 15 2014 03:38 m4ini wrote: I think that's one of the biggest issues here. I'm blown away by the weird demands of some people. It really comes down to "do you have a job" yes/no. Any sane person would see that somehow, the effort and time has to be valued.
I'm really glad I don't have to deal with such people criticizing me on a public forum. I know that the right thing to do is to ignore the people who are less than sane, but I bet it's really, really difficult...
Again, you did a great job overall Destiny, and I appreciate the look into the organization of the event. Looking forward to Destiny II!
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On August 15 2014 03:38 m4ini wrote: lol, i thought pretty much the same, especially since "i had many jobs!!!!1!" is kinda nothing to be proud about, but rather (if true, which i doubt) that you're fricking awful at what you're doing. To be fair, this depends on other things, most notably the time period and the domain of said jobs. 5 different jobs over one year is quite different than over 10. Changing jobs may also be the only way to get a better salary. Or you may be freelancing and counting each project as a separate job.
Or you may be fricking awful at what you're doing, which would explain the incomprehensible ideas about how this works
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On August 15 2014 02:35 Crot4le wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2014 01:59 Defenestrator wrote:On August 15 2014 01:29 Crot4le wrote: All it comes down to is people thinking that this was a community tournament not a for-profit tournament. That's all. At the end of the day it was a good event, I enjoyed it and it was well-run so that's enough for most people including me. But next time you should be more clear about these things before the event because you can see why questions are being asked. If you didn't assume he was going to keep the money from sponsorships, then you simply don't know how the world works, plain and simple. Here's a life lesson for you: if someone does not SPECIFICALLY SAY that they will funnel ALL proceeds from ALL sources of income back towards the community/future events, then it is IMPLIED that they will keep that money for themselves. Where else would the money go? There is nothing dishonest about that. Maybe if you're a teenager or pre-teen who's never had a job or had any business dealings, you wouldn't understand this, so may as well learn it now. Apart from the fact Destiny DID imply that extra money would go back to the community when he said on Reddit that he was unsure whether to put surplus money into the prize pool or towards Destiny II, I believe he even made a straw poll about it. Oh and I'm not a teenager and I have had many jobs and done business dealings so yeah, there's that, so you can quit your "you have a different opinion so I'm just gonna pretend you're some random teenager on t'internet". I never implied any extra money would go back to the community, I said extra money raised FROM THE INDIEGOGO would go into the next tournament,
Please show me where I said I would go out of my way to secure sponsorships for the next tournament and keep nothing for myself. WHY WOULD I EVER LIE ABOUT THAT KNOWING I WAS GOING TO DO A WRITE-UP LIKE THIS AT THE END. LOL?
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On August 15 2014 06:23 Destiny wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2014 02:35 Crot4le wrote:On August 15 2014 01:59 Defenestrator wrote:On August 15 2014 01:29 Crot4le wrote: All it comes down to is people thinking that this was a community tournament not a for-profit tournament. That's all. At the end of the day it was a good event, I enjoyed it and it was well-run so that's enough for most people including me. But next time you should be more clear about these things before the event because you can see why questions are being asked. If you didn't assume he was going to keep the money from sponsorships, then you simply don't know how the world works, plain and simple. Here's a life lesson for you: if someone does not SPECIFICALLY SAY that they will funnel ALL proceeds from ALL sources of income back towards the community/future events, then it is IMPLIED that they will keep that money for themselves. Where else would the money go? There is nothing dishonest about that. Maybe if you're a teenager or pre-teen who's never had a job or had any business dealings, you wouldn't understand this, so may as well learn it now. Apart from the fact Destiny DID imply that extra money would go back to the community when he said on Reddit that he was unsure whether to put surplus money into the prize pool or towards Destiny II, I believe he even made a straw poll about it. Oh and I'm not a teenager and I have had many jobs and done business dealings so yeah, there's that, so you can quit your "you have a different opinion so I'm just gonna pretend you're some random teenager on t'internet". I never implied any extra money would go back to the community, I said extra money raised FROM THE INDIEGOGO would go into the next tournament, Please show me where I said I would go out of my way to secure sponsorships for the next tournament and keep nothing for myself. WHY WOULD I EVER LIE ABOUT THAT KNOWING I WAS GOING TO DO A WRITE-UP LIKE THIS AT THE END. LOL? Now the purpose of the thread has changes to a he said, she said thing. Either way destiny you look like a child responding this way to little things. It's kinda silly
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This is one of the reasons there isn't more transparency in society- because people will try to find some scandal or something to be outraged about even when there isn't anything.
If I were running a tournament like this, would I be this transparent with my finances? After seeing this thread, probably not. I would just quietly pocket my profit rather than expose myself to a tidal wave of idiots who expect that anyone doing something for the esports community should be doing it out of the goodness of their heart and working 60 hours a week at McDonalds to make ends meet.
Props to Destiny for putting on a great tournament and being open about the financials.
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On August 15 2014 08:41 3clipse wrote: This is one of the reasons there isn't more transparency in society- because people will try to find some scandal or something to be outraged about even when there isn't anything.
If I were running a tournament like this, would I be this transparent with my finances? After seeing this thread, probably not. I would just quietly pocket my profit rather than expose myself to a tidal wave of idiots who expect that anyone doing something for the esports community should be doing it out of the goodness of their heart and working 60 hours a week at McDonalds to make ends meet.
Props to Destiny for putting on a great tournament and being open about the financials.
I said it earlier in the thread, you can't win either way, if you disclose your financials like Destiny did the argument from the community will be "You kept sponsors money for yourself? You're wrong and you're evil"
But if Destiny DIDN'T disclose, I can pretty much bet on here or Reddit the argument would've been made of "We the community funded this tournament, we have a right to know things. You're wrong and you're evil"
And people wonder why the outsiders say the SC scene is dying
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