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I had an idea and wanted to ask TL what they thought about it.
I have been practicing some new builds in PvT. First I played a few games vs AI just to figure out proper timings. When I was done with that, I wanted to test out vs some human opponents, to find holes in my build.
I didn't want to affect my ladder standings so I chose to play the first few games in unranked mode. Hoping to get a PvT, here is what I got instead. I got six games before I finally landed a Terran opponent.
PvZ PvZ PvP PvZ PvZ PvP
Then finally I got a PvT. By the time I got one all the practicing I had put into my build had worn off.
So here is my idea: For unranked mode, include an option for what matchup you are looking to play, if you are looking for one. Since the match is unranked anyway, what is the harm?
For me I see only two uses for unranked matchups. One is to help people play vs human opponents without ladder anxiety. The other is to help practice new builds and strats vs human opponents without risking your ladder standings.
IMHO this would be an easy addition to the game that would seriously improve the usefulness of unranked matchups for practicing. What do you all think?
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People have been wanting this option since the Wings of Liberty Beta. Yes it's a good idea now considering the implementation of unranked play but I wouldn't count on it being introduced any time soon. We can only pray that blizzard will implement it in LOTV but I'm not keeping my fingers crossed.
My piece of advice for the future is just to leave every game that isn't the matchup you wanted to play. Your second option is to find a small clan to play with when you want focused practice.
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I also want unranked to have a seperate MMR for each race so players can learn offrace better.
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Could have a veto system like the current map veto so you can deselect a certain amount of matchups. Also, different MMR for each race on both ranked and unranked would be nice.
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The most important think for Unranked games imho is the range of opponents that u can find. I'm a mid diamond player and I have already met 5 or 6 top 100 GMs. I was ranked, they don't. Being rekt in the ass cause of matchmaking is not funny. I know obviously that ladder points don't count and that skill =\\= ladder points, but... :-(
Make a "Match Up Matchmaking" can be a good idea I think.
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i think it's more important to make sure people get a match... not trying to be rude but people should suck it up and play the matchup they get to avoid wasting others' time on the ladder, i find it very annoying to have people instaquit on me late at night after a 2 min queue. if it's that important to you to practice a single matchup then you can reasonably find a casual or competitive clan and a teammate to practice with.
On September 02 2014 03:29 TokyoGirl wrote: I also want unranked to have a seperate MMR for each race so players can learn offrace better. this however i agree with 1000000000%
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Am I the only one who gets extra butt-hurt when they lose to an unranked opponent when playing ranked? I know, it's just ladder points but it feels like I played with all the risk whereas the unranked player had no incentive to play safe/standard as there was nothing on the line.
Maybe an option to disable matching against unranked opponents? My reasoning for such an option is purely selfish and arbitrary but it would make me feel better about laddering.
I agree with separate MMR for races and could even get behind an unranked "Matchup veto" but I am a little salty about unranked vs ranked matches.
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We could have a better custom game lobby (named games / rank settings etc) so you can actually find someone to practice against.
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This has been proposed many times in the past before. Unfortunately it would make queue times much longer (since you have to make sure both people have chosen the match up) especially for unpopular match-ups. And people that did not pick an opponent's race would end up filling the unpopular match-ups as a result. Additionally some people would use it to simply never play against the races they don't like which would also greatly harm ladder. Also poor random players. The cons outweigh the pros in this situation.
Now separate race MMRs is something that I can get behind, but that's a different topic.
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another similar option that I want is matchup picking for regular ladder so I don't have to play just one race or play random
that is to say I'd play PvZ, ZvP, ZvT on ladder it wouldn't be like random though since my opponent would know my race every time. I just don't like PvP or ZvZ
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On September 02 2014 12:33 Fecalfeast wrote: I know, it's just ladder points but it feels like I played with all the risk whereas the unranked player had no incentive to play safe/standard as there was nothing on the line. no one is ever guaranteed to be playing safe/standard, ranked or unranked. you should be prepared for any style regardless of whether your ladder points are on the line. i can go out, buy a new account and just play goofy cheese all day on ranked, or even simply decide to tank my ranked MMR on my real account. does that mean you'll never see it coming? aren't you still going to scout me and try to figure out what i'm doing even if i'm ranked? it's not like unranked players are able to use any builds that aren't available if you're ranked. scout, react, execute, it's no different against an unranked player. what i'm risking or not risking has no effect on the quality of your play.
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On September 02 2014 15:09 brickrd wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2014 12:33 Fecalfeast wrote: I know, it's just ladder points but it feels like I played with all the risk whereas the unranked player had no incentive to play safe/standard as there was nothing on the line. no one is ever guaranteed to be playing safe/standard, ranked or unranked. you should be prepared for any style regardless of whether your ladder points are on the line. i can go out, buy a new account and just play goofy cheese all day on ranked, or even simply decide to tank my ranked MMR on my real account. does that mean you'll never see it coming? aren't you still going to scout me and try to figure out what i'm doing even if i'm ranked? it's not like unranked players are able to use any builds that aren't available if you're ranked. scout, react, execute, it's no different against an unranked player. what i'm risking or not risking has no effect on the quality of your play.
I don't care HOW someone plays. It's that they have nothing on the line. I would rather lose to 20 smurf accounts playing ranked using cheese in a row than play a macro game that I barely lose vs an unranked player. They gained nothing from winning but I lost something. If I win it dampens the win for me to see that I didn't steal any of their ladder points.
Again, totally selfish reasoning but it has nothing to do with the build they choose but the risk involved in choosing it.
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I would really like to have this match-up choice option, as well as the separate MMRs for each race
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On September 02 2014 15:19 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2014 15:09 brickrd wrote:On September 02 2014 12:33 Fecalfeast wrote: I know, it's just ladder points but it feels like I played with all the risk whereas the unranked player had no incentive to play safe/standard as there was nothing on the line. no one is ever guaranteed to be playing safe/standard, ranked or unranked. you should be prepared for any style regardless of whether your ladder points are on the line. i can go out, buy a new account and just play goofy cheese all day on ranked, or even simply decide to tank my ranked MMR on my real account. does that mean you'll never see it coming? aren't you still going to scout me and try to figure out what i'm doing even if i'm ranked? it's not like unranked players are able to use any builds that aren't available if you're ranked. scout, react, execute, it's no different against an unranked player. what i'm risking or not risking has no effect on the quality of your play. I don't care HOW someone plays. It's that they have nothing on the line. I would rather lose to 20 smurf accounts playing ranked using cheese in a row than play a macro game that I barely lose vs an unranked player. They gained nothing from winning but I lost something. If I win it dampens the win for me to see that I didn't steal any of their ladder points. Again, totally selfish reasoning but it has nothing to do with the build they choose but the risk involved in choosing it. Is it the first case of non-ladder anxiety?
Good old Bnet when we could create a new account to play other races.
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On September 02 2014 15:29 nojok wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2014 15:19 Fecalfeast wrote:On September 02 2014 15:09 brickrd wrote:On September 02 2014 12:33 Fecalfeast wrote: I know, it's just ladder points but it feels like I played with all the risk whereas the unranked player had no incentive to play safe/standard as there was nothing on the line. no one is ever guaranteed to be playing safe/standard, ranked or unranked. you should be prepared for any style regardless of whether your ladder points are on the line. i can go out, buy a new account and just play goofy cheese all day on ranked, or even simply decide to tank my ranked MMR on my real account. does that mean you'll never see it coming? aren't you still going to scout me and try to figure out what i'm doing even if i'm ranked? it's not like unranked players are able to use any builds that aren't available if you're ranked. scout, react, execute, it's no different against an unranked player. what i'm risking or not risking has no effect on the quality of your play. I don't care HOW someone plays. It's that they have nothing on the line. I would rather lose to 20 smurf accounts playing ranked using cheese in a row than play a macro game that I barely lose vs an unranked player. They gained nothing from winning but I lost something. If I win it dampens the win for me to see that I didn't steal any of their ladder points. Again, totally selfish reasoning but it has nothing to do with the build they choose but the risk involved in choosing it. Is it the first case of non-ladder anxiety? Good old Bnet when we could create a new account to play other races.
I guess it is, haha. I have no idea why it irks me so to see an unranked opponent at the score screen.
I would accept knowing before the match if they are unranked as compromise so I can BM them about it. (jk)
Maybe just don't tell me at all if they are or are not unranked. Ignorance is bliss and all that. At least I would have to go out of my way to check match history, then. (I wouldn't)
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the playerbase is not big enough for this to work. What about the players in grandmasters and high master. Would they have to play vs diamond player.
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