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On September 03 2014 06:02 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2014 03:04 Silvana wrote: Blizzcon is not 1st priority for all the players, specially for Kespa players who haven't been commiting to the WCS during the whole year. I too get sick of the casters talking about Blizzcon all day, but that might be because I'm salty about how the WCS system works ^.^
e: grammar I'm pretty sure very nearly every player in Korea would pull a fingernail or three to get to Blizzcon. Life was really disappointed that he didn't get there last year, and a bunch of other players seemed upset that they hadn't gotten to travel much as well. Even if we (and they) think that the GSL is harder, Blizzcon is the ultimate tournament for most of these guys. If nothing else then at least for the $100k first prize.
Just because a player might feel that way doesn't mean they would be allowed to compete in every tournament for points *cough.* It's a double-edged sword. Also I wouldn't speak on behalf of the players. I'm pretty sure all of them have different goals and ambitions when it comes to where they currently stand.
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On September 03 2014 09:17 tshi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2014 08:47 FuRRie wrote: "Why is Blizzcon so important?"
Have people who ask this seen the price pool? seriously. Whats the prize pool? Is it like The International or something??????? BlizzCon has a top prize of $100,000 which is a significant sum even if it isn't in the same ballpark as TI4. And the simple privilege of having the right to title yourself the best player in the world against the best of the best is something players will constantly strive for. Regardless of the whole WCS point debate regarding whether some players have the right to be at BlizzCon it is an incredibly high level tournament and the 16 players there will put all their soul into winning it for a reason. Imagine it the Stanley Cup of SC2.
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On September 03 2014 01:30 Jampackedeon wrote: Does anyone know the viewship numbers for the 4 days? I was watching all but the final match and it was just incredible, I think I saw a max of 40-50K but it could have gone higher once Flash was making it through the finals...
At the peak IEM Toronto streams (all languages) totaled 66,000 of the 67,500 SC2 stream viewers on twitch.tv
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On September 03 2014 08:34 Starecat wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2014 01:30 Jampackedeon wrote: Does anyone know the viewship numbers for the 4 days? I was watching all but the final match and it was just incredible, I think I saw a max of 40-50K but it could have gone higher once Flash was making it through the finals... When Flash was almost winning Zest the viewcount got to 60K+.Two things became clear, people love Terran and Flash. on the main stream that is. Not included TakeTV and other streams. Many germans watch TakeTV.
On September 03 2014 09:39 Dimagus wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2014 01:30 Jampackedeon wrote: Does anyone know the viewship numbers for the 4 days? I was watching all but the final match and it was just incredible, I think I saw a max of 40-50K but it could have gone higher once Flash was making it through the finals... At the peak IEM Toronto streams (all languages) totaled 66,000 of the 67,500 SC2 stream viewers on twitch.tv Damn didn't see your post, sorry
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YES! This, thank you for the exact details! It was an insane run by Flash, to put it briefly. I wish he can do that in his next tourney too
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On September 02 2014 18:15 deacon.frost wrote:As much as I want to be on the "Flash hype train" I simply cannot. He plays so boring style to watch I cannot help myself(also he has the most annoying fans there) but to hope it is his last tournament win and he won't be flying anywhere. As much as I love Maru/Bomber/MVP/Taeja I don't like Flash. And I don't care how good his mechanics are, I want to see entertaining games - same way I don't like watching Rain. Am I the only one or what? Though I have to admit, that there are more boring players(Hi, Snute). Victory deserved though, he played better. The games I saw, then I turned it off. Congratz anyway
You know Flash is back on top when people are complaining about how boring he is despite him using a variety of builds to pull off exciting wins.
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On September 02 2014 17:23 ZAiNs wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2014 16:30 stargunner wrote: It's worth mentioning that even though Flash has been dominating since the patch, he rarely, if ever, uses widow mines. In fact, I believe in the grand finals, he did not build a single one. The mine buff only changes TvZ really any ways.
If you think the mine buff only changes TvZ, you are mistaken
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On September 03 2014 11:26 BakedButters wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2014 17:23 ZAiNs wrote:On September 02 2014 16:30 stargunner wrote: It's worth mentioning that even though Flash has been dominating since the patch, he rarely, if ever, uses widow mines. In fact, I believe in the grand finals, he did not build a single one. The mine buff only changes TvZ really any ways. If you think the mine buff only changes TvZ, you are mistaken It changes TvP very slightly, not enough for it to be responsible for any perceived changes in balance.
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On September 03 2014 11:58 ZAiNs wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2014 11:26 BakedButters wrote:On September 02 2014 17:23 ZAiNs wrote:On September 02 2014 16:30 stargunner wrote: It's worth mentioning that even though Flash has been dominating since the patch, he rarely, if ever, uses widow mines. In fact, I believe in the grand finals, he did not build a single one. The mine buff only changes TvZ really any ways. If you think the mine buff only changes TvZ, you are mistaken It changes TvP very slightly, not enough for it to be responsible for any perceived changes in balance.
If you look at Aligulac game stats on each race MU, PvT took the same % drop as ZvT. Maybe it's just the maps making drops harder to defend three bases
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On September 03 2014 12:52 BakedButters wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2014 11:58 ZAiNs wrote:On September 03 2014 11:26 BakedButters wrote:On September 02 2014 17:23 ZAiNs wrote:On September 02 2014 16:30 stargunner wrote: It's worth mentioning that even though Flash has been dominating since the patch, he rarely, if ever, uses widow mines. In fact, I believe in the grand finals, he did not build a single one. The mine buff only changes TvZ really any ways. If you think the mine buff only changes TvZ, you are mistaken It changes TvP very slightly, not enough for it to be responsible for any perceived changes in balance. If you look at Aligulac game stats on each race MU, PvT took the same % drop as ZvT. Maybe it's just the maps making drops harder to defend three bases I think it's just natural that 'balance' shifts back and forth between two races as pros keep figuring the game out more.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/466161-down-the-terran-rabbit-hole-with-liquidbunny
Bunny says the new map pool and the new patch haven't changed TvP that much.
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On September 03 2014 12:57 ZAiNs wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2014 12:52 BakedButters wrote:On September 03 2014 11:58 ZAiNs wrote:On September 03 2014 11:26 BakedButters wrote:On September 02 2014 17:23 ZAiNs wrote:On September 02 2014 16:30 stargunner wrote: It's worth mentioning that even though Flash has been dominating since the patch, he rarely, if ever, uses widow mines. In fact, I believe in the grand finals, he did not build a single one. The mine buff only changes TvZ really any ways. If you think the mine buff only changes TvZ, you are mistaken It changes TvP very slightly, not enough for it to be responsible for any perceived changes in balance. If you look at Aligulac game stats on each race MU, PvT took the same % drop as ZvT. Maybe it's just the maps making drops harder to defend three bases I think it's just natural that 'balance' shifts back and forth between two races as pros keep figuring the game out more. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/466161-down-the-terran-rabbit-hole-with-liquidbunnyBunny says the new map pool and the new patch haven't changed TvP that much.
Bunny says TvP has become very predictable for the Terran, and that's the advantage, even if the Terran doesn't use widow mines
The patch effectively cuts the Protoss's tech in half. In the early game, Terrans can refine their builds knowing they have less threats. The need/gamble to not go for reaper first is becoming less mandatory. In the mid-game, Terrans even more stronger than they already are. It's much harder to defend drops going collosus tech, and with the patch, drops can do greater damage with widow mines even against thermal lance (as Bunny said). So far Toss are struggling/ not experienced to defend with trying to get multiple observers in place. Terran can then be more greedy or take advantage of their strong mid-game, while Toss, if they are not going for a timing, is worried about defending their bases.
TvP is all about composition for the terran in the late game to match and effectively counter Protoss army comp, or overwhelm with larger forces. In the late game, they can know more the exact collosus count and prepare ahead of time with vikings, build double starport, get the right composition at the right time. The protoss tries to suprise the Terran by example building 1 collo then going immortals, or try to go quick storm after collo.
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On September 03 2014 11:13 GolemMadness wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2014 18:15 deacon.frost wrote:As much as I want to be on the "Flash hype train" I simply cannot. He plays so boring style to watch I cannot help myself(also he has the most annoying fans there) but to hope it is his last tournament win and he won't be flying anywhere. As much as I love Maru/Bomber/MVP/Taeja I don't like Flash. And I don't care how good his mechanics are, I want to see entertaining games - same way I don't like watching Rain. Am I the only one or what? Though I have to admit, that there are more boring players(Hi, Snute). Victory deserved though, he played better. The games I saw, then I turned it off. Congratz anyway You know Flash is back on top when people are complaining about how boring he is despite him using a variety of builds to pull off exciting wins.
So true. BW LR thread nostalgia!
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Go Flash. GO! DO IT! Please, for the love of you! We need this.
Flash winning Blizzcon will be the single greatest storyline of all Starcraft 2. Imagine if he does it against Jaedong in the finals... The nerd chills are real man.
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On September 03 2014 13:21 orvinreyes wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2014 11:13 GolemMadness wrote:On September 02 2014 18:15 deacon.frost wrote:As much as I want to be on the "Flash hype train" I simply cannot. He plays so boring style to watch I cannot help myself(also he has the most annoying fans there) but to hope it is his last tournament win and he won't be flying anywhere. As much as I love Maru/Bomber/MVP/Taeja I don't like Flash. And I don't care how good his mechanics are, I want to see entertaining games - same way I don't like watching Rain. Am I the only one or what? Though I have to admit, that there are more boring players(Hi, Snute). Victory deserved though, he played better. The games I saw, then I turned it off. Congratz anyway You know Flash is back on top when people are complaining about how boring he is despite him using a variety of builds to pull off exciting wins. So true. BW LR thread nostalgia!
I love me some Turtle-cheese-macro-14cc-5rax-boredom
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On September 03 2014 14:03 Kommatiazo wrote: Go Flash. GO! DO IT! Please, for the love of you! We need this.
Flash winning Blizzcon will be the single greatest storyline of all Starcraft 2. Imagine if he does it against Jaedong in the finals... The nerd chills are real man.
With the way Jaedong plays after LoneStarClash, him reaching the finals is almost as big of a miracle as it was for Flash before IEM. But there is a solid chance Flash's success has reignited him, and I would love to have one more amazing Flash vs. Jaedong finals in SC2 to pretty much cement their legacy for the next century.
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When is there gonna be a IEM Korea or DH:KOR??
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Can I watch the vods of this?
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On September 03 2014 12:57 ZAiNs wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2014 12:52 BakedButters wrote:On September 03 2014 11:58 ZAiNs wrote:On September 03 2014 11:26 BakedButters wrote:On September 02 2014 17:23 ZAiNs wrote:On September 02 2014 16:30 stargunner wrote: It's worth mentioning that even though Flash has been dominating since the patch, he rarely, if ever, uses widow mines. In fact, I believe in the grand finals, he did not build a single one. The mine buff only changes TvZ really any ways. If you think the mine buff only changes TvZ, you are mistaken It changes TvP very slightly, not enough for it to be responsible for any perceived changes in balance. If you look at Aligulac game stats on each race MU, PvT took the same % drop as ZvT. Maybe it's just the maps making drops harder to defend three bases I think it's just natural that 'balance' shifts back and forth between two races as pros keep figuring the game out more. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/466161-down-the-terran-rabbit-hole-with-liquidbunnyBunny says the new map pool and the new patch haven't changed TvP that much.
Agreed. Just a new, strong build coming out and the winrate in a certain matchup will change significantly. Those winrates reflect balance only when they are costant for several months.
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On September 05 2014 05:02 orllyfools wrote: When is there gonna be a IEM Korea or DH:KOR??
It would be cool.
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