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On October 19 2014 01:52 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2014 01:09 tekrebel wrote: I thought these were going to be released one a day leading up to blizzcon.... WHERE ARE THE ARTICLES..... Actually, we're releasing all 16 before Blizzcon. Due to logistics (stuff needs to be written), the first few will have longer delays between them. Don't worry, we'll get them all just like last year Show nested quote +On October 19 2014 01:43 sadiroTnuda wrote:Good article. In my view there is an additional reason to put Classic’s 2014 results on trial, as it were. His greatest achievement in 2014, his GSL run, may not provide the best evidence for his talent not just because of when it occurred but also who he defeated during that run. Starting in the round of 16 he went 2:1 over PartinG, 2:1 over soO, 3:1 over ParalyzE, 4:2 over Maru, and 4:2 over soO. That’s…a lot of teamkills, oh, and a win over Maru. Given the prevalence of SKT players in Code S in that GSL season you could say that at least one teamkill was inevitable, but, still, that’s a lot of teamkills, 4 of 5 series won in teamkills, in fact. Classic’s run starting in Code A... + Show Spoiler +2:0 Seed 0:2 TAiLS 2:0 RorO 2:1 Hydra 1:2 Life 2:1 Hydra 2:1 PartinG 2:1 soO 3:1 Paralyze 4:2 Maru 4:2 soO
Not bad, but hey isn’t that a lot of teamkills? Haha Life beat the champion when soO couldn't. Who's the best now? Now? Um....soO.
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On October 19 2014 01:56 royalroadweed wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2014 01:52 Zealously wrote:On October 19 2014 01:09 tekrebel wrote: I thought these were going to be released one a day leading up to blizzcon.... WHERE ARE THE ARTICLES..... Actually, we're releasing all 16 before Blizzcon. Due to logistics (stuff needs to be written), the first few will have longer delays between them. Don't worry, we'll get them all just like last year On October 19 2014 01:43 sadiroTnuda wrote:Good article. In my view there is an additional reason to put Classic’s 2014 results on trial, as it were. His greatest achievement in 2014, his GSL run, may not provide the best evidence for his talent not just because of when it occurred but also who he defeated during that run. Starting in the round of 16 he went 2:1 over PartinG, 2:1 over soO, 3:1 over ParalyzE, 4:2 over Maru, and 4:2 over soO. That’s…a lot of teamkills, oh, and a win over Maru. Given the prevalence of SKT players in Code S in that GSL season you could say that at least one teamkill was inevitable, but, still, that’s a lot of teamkills, 4 of 5 series won in teamkills, in fact. Classic’s run starting in Code A... + Show Spoiler +2:0 Seed 0:2 TAiLS 2:0 RorO 2:1 Hydra 1:2 Life 2:1 Hydra 2:1 PartinG 2:1 soO 3:1 Paralyze 4:2 Maru 4:2 soO
Not bad, but hey isn’t that a lot of teamkills? Haha Life beat the champion when soO couldn't. Who's the best now? Now? Um....soO.
Life doesn't lose 5 finals in a row
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On October 19 2014 02:21 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2014 01:56 royalroadweed wrote:On October 19 2014 01:52 Zealously wrote:On October 19 2014 01:09 tekrebel wrote: I thought these were going to be released one a day leading up to blizzcon.... WHERE ARE THE ARTICLES..... Actually, we're releasing all 16 before Blizzcon. Due to logistics (stuff needs to be written), the first few will have longer delays between them. Don't worry, we'll get them all just like last year On October 19 2014 01:43 sadiroTnuda wrote:Good article. In my view there is an additional reason to put Classic’s 2014 results on trial, as it were. His greatest achievement in 2014, his GSL run, may not provide the best evidence for his talent not just because of when it occurred but also who he defeated during that run. Starting in the round of 16 he went 2:1 over PartinG, 2:1 over soO, 3:1 over ParalyzE, 4:2 over Maru, and 4:2 over soO. That’s…a lot of teamkills, oh, and a win over Maru. Given the prevalence of SKT players in Code S in that GSL season you could say that at least one teamkill was inevitable, but, still, that’s a lot of teamkills, 4 of 5 series won in teamkills, in fact. Classic’s run starting in Code A... + Show Spoiler +2:0 Seed 0:2 TAiLS 2:0 RorO 2:1 Hydra 1:2 Life 2:1 Hydra 2:1 PartinG 2:1 soO 3:1 Paralyze 4:2 Maru 4:2 soO
Not bad, but hey isn’t that a lot of teamkills? Haha Life beat the champion when soO couldn't. Who's the best now? Now? Um....soO. Life doesn't lose 5 finals in a row He doesn't even make finals anymore
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On October 19 2014 02:28 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2014 02:21 Zealously wrote:On October 19 2014 01:56 royalroadweed wrote:On October 19 2014 01:52 Zealously wrote:On October 19 2014 01:09 tekrebel wrote: I thought these were going to be released one a day leading up to blizzcon.... WHERE ARE THE ARTICLES..... Actually, we're releasing all 16 before Blizzcon. Due to logistics (stuff needs to be written), the first few will have longer delays between them. Don't worry, we'll get them all just like last year On October 19 2014 01:43 sadiroTnuda wrote:Good article. In my view there is an additional reason to put Classic’s 2014 results on trial, as it were. His greatest achievement in 2014, his GSL run, may not provide the best evidence for his talent not just because of when it occurred but also who he defeated during that run. Starting in the round of 16 he went 2:1 over PartinG, 2:1 over soO, 3:1 over ParalyzE, 4:2 over Maru, and 4:2 over soO. That’s…a lot of teamkills, oh, and a win over Maru. Given the prevalence of SKT players in Code S in that GSL season you could say that at least one teamkill was inevitable, but, still, that’s a lot of teamkills, 4 of 5 series won in teamkills, in fact. Classic’s run starting in Code A... + Show Spoiler +2:0 Seed 0:2 TAiLS 2:0 RorO 2:1 Hydra 1:2 Life 2:1 Hydra 2:1 PartinG 2:1 soO 3:1 Paralyze 4:2 Maru 4:2 soO
Not bad, but hey isn’t that a lot of teamkills? Haha Life beat the champion when soO couldn't. Who's the best now? Now? Um....soO. Life doesn't lose 5 finals in a row He doesn't even make finals anymore
True. But if he had, you can be pretty sure he wouldn't have choked in all 5.
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On October 19 2014 03:15 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2014 02:28 The_Red_Viper wrote:On October 19 2014 02:21 Zealously wrote:On October 19 2014 01:56 royalroadweed wrote:On October 19 2014 01:52 Zealously wrote:On October 19 2014 01:09 tekrebel wrote: I thought these were going to be released one a day leading up to blizzcon.... WHERE ARE THE ARTICLES..... Actually, we're releasing all 16 before Blizzcon. Due to logistics (stuff needs to be written), the first few will have longer delays between them. Don't worry, we'll get them all just like last year On October 19 2014 01:43 sadiroTnuda wrote:Good article. In my view there is an additional reason to put Classic’s 2014 results on trial, as it were. His greatest achievement in 2014, his GSL run, may not provide the best evidence for his talent not just because of when it occurred but also who he defeated during that run. Starting in the round of 16 he went 2:1 over PartinG, 2:1 over soO, 3:1 over ParalyzE, 4:2 over Maru, and 4:2 over soO. That’s…a lot of teamkills, oh, and a win over Maru. Given the prevalence of SKT players in Code S in that GSL season you could say that at least one teamkill was inevitable, but, still, that’s a lot of teamkills, 4 of 5 series won in teamkills, in fact. Classic’s run starting in Code A... + Show Spoiler +2:0 Seed 0:2 TAiLS 2:0 RorO 2:1 Hydra 1:2 Life 2:1 Hydra 2:1 PartinG 2:1 soO 3:1 Paralyze 4:2 Maru 4:2 soO
Not bad, but hey isn’t that a lot of teamkills? Haha Life beat the champion when soO couldn't. Who's the best now? Now? Um....soO. Life doesn't lose 5 finals in a row He doesn't even make finals anymore True. But if he had, you can be pretty sure he wouldn't have choked in all 5. Yeah i agree, i just hope he does well again next year (well for Life's standard)
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On October 19 2014 01:52 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2014 01:09 tekrebel wrote: I thought these were going to be released one a day leading up to blizzcon.... WHERE ARE THE ARTICLES..... Actually, we're releasing all 16 before Blizzcon, not necessarily 1 per day (which wouldn't have worked anyway because time). Due to logistics (stuff needs to be written), the first few will have longer delays between them. Don't worry, we'll get them all just like last year If so then you shouldnt have published article#1 already. I think that 1 per day is the most important thing.
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On October 19 2014 03:15 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2014 02:28 The_Red_Viper wrote:On October 19 2014 02:21 Zealously wrote:On October 19 2014 01:56 royalroadweed wrote:On October 19 2014 01:52 Zealously wrote:On October 19 2014 01:09 tekrebel wrote: I thought these were going to be released one a day leading up to blizzcon.... WHERE ARE THE ARTICLES..... Actually, we're releasing all 16 before Blizzcon. Due to logistics (stuff needs to be written), the first few will have longer delays between them. Don't worry, we'll get them all just like last year On October 19 2014 01:43 sadiroTnuda wrote:Good article. In my view there is an additional reason to put Classic’s 2014 results on trial, as it were. His greatest achievement in 2014, his GSL run, may not provide the best evidence for his talent not just because of when it occurred but also who he defeated during that run. Starting in the round of 16 he went 2:1 over PartinG, 2:1 over soO, 3:1 over ParalyzE, 4:2 over Maru, and 4:2 over soO. That’s…a lot of teamkills, oh, and a win over Maru. Given the prevalence of SKT players in Code S in that GSL season you could say that at least one teamkill was inevitable, but, still, that’s a lot of teamkills, 4 of 5 series won in teamkills, in fact. Classic’s run starting in Code A... + Show Spoiler +2:0 Seed 0:2 TAiLS 2:0 RorO 2:1 Hydra 1:2 Life 2:1 Hydra 2:1 PartinG 2:1 soO 3:1 Paralyze 4:2 Maru 4:2 soO
Not bad, but hey isn’t that a lot of teamkills? Haha Life beat the champion when soO couldn't. Who's the best now? Now? Um....soO. Life doesn't lose 5 finals in a row He doesn't even make finals anymore True. But if he had, you can be pretty sure he wouldn't have choked in all 5. Would you say he "choked" in the last one?
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On October 19 2014 05:31 Dingodile wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2014 01:52 Zealously wrote:On October 19 2014 01:09 tekrebel wrote: I thought these were going to be released one a day leading up to blizzcon.... WHERE ARE THE ARTICLES..... Actually, we're releasing all 16 before Blizzcon, not necessarily 1 per day (which wouldn't have worked anyway because time). Due to logistics (stuff needs to be written), the first few will have longer delays between them. Don't worry, we'll get them all just like last year If so then you shouldnt have published article#1 already. I think that 1 per day is the most important thing. But if they did publish it later they wouldn't even have had 16 days until the Global Finals to publish one each day
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On October 19 2014 05:43 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2014 03:15 Zealously wrote:On October 19 2014 02:28 The_Red_Viper wrote:On October 19 2014 02:21 Zealously wrote:On October 19 2014 01:56 royalroadweed wrote:On October 19 2014 01:52 Zealously wrote:On October 19 2014 01:09 tekrebel wrote: I thought these were going to be released one a day leading up to blizzcon.... WHERE ARE THE ARTICLES..... Actually, we're releasing all 16 before Blizzcon. Due to logistics (stuff needs to be written), the first few will have longer delays between them. Don't worry, we'll get them all just like last year On October 19 2014 01:43 sadiroTnuda wrote:Good article. In my view there is an additional reason to put Classic’s 2014 results on trial, as it were. His greatest achievement in 2014, his GSL run, may not provide the best evidence for his talent not just because of when it occurred but also who he defeated during that run. Starting in the round of 16 he went 2:1 over PartinG, 2:1 over soO, 3:1 over ParalyzE, 4:2 over Maru, and 4:2 over soO. That’s…a lot of teamkills, oh, and a win over Maru. Given the prevalence of SKT players in Code S in that GSL season you could say that at least one teamkill was inevitable, but, still, that’s a lot of teamkills, 4 of 5 series won in teamkills, in fact. Classic’s run starting in Code A... + Show Spoiler +2:0 Seed 0:2 TAiLS 2:0 RorO 2:1 Hydra 1:2 Life 2:1 Hydra 2:1 PartinG 2:1 soO 3:1 Paralyze 4:2 Maru 4:2 soO
Not bad, but hey isn’t that a lot of teamkills? Haha Life beat the champion when soO couldn't. Who's the best now? Now? Um....soO. Life doesn't lose 5 finals in a row He doesn't even make finals anymore True. But if he had, you can be pretty sure he wouldn't have choked in all 5. Would you say he "choked" in the last one?
Life or soO?
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On October 19 2014 05:43 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2014 03:15 Zealously wrote:On October 19 2014 02:28 The_Red_Viper wrote:On October 19 2014 02:21 Zealously wrote:On October 19 2014 01:56 royalroadweed wrote:On October 19 2014 01:52 Zealously wrote:On October 19 2014 01:09 tekrebel wrote: I thought these were going to be released one a day leading up to blizzcon.... WHERE ARE THE ARTICLES..... Actually, we're releasing all 16 before Blizzcon. Due to logistics (stuff needs to be written), the first few will have longer delays between them. Don't worry, we'll get them all just like last year On October 19 2014 01:43 sadiroTnuda wrote:Good article. In my view there is an additional reason to put Classic’s 2014 results on trial, as it were. His greatest achievement in 2014, his GSL run, may not provide the best evidence for his talent not just because of when it occurred but also who he defeated during that run. Starting in the round of 16 he went 2:1 over PartinG, 2:1 over soO, 3:1 over ParalyzE, 4:2 over Maru, and 4:2 over soO. That’s…a lot of teamkills, oh, and a win over Maru. Given the prevalence of SKT players in Code S in that GSL season you could say that at least one teamkill was inevitable, but, still, that’s a lot of teamkills, 4 of 5 series won in teamkills, in fact. Classic’s run starting in Code A... + Show Spoiler +2:0 Seed 0:2 TAiLS 2:0 RorO 2:1 Hydra 1:2 Life 2:1 Hydra 2:1 PartinG 2:1 soO 3:1 Paralyze 4:2 Maru 4:2 soO
Not bad, but hey isn’t that a lot of teamkills? Haha Life beat the champion when soO couldn't. Who's the best now? Now? Um....soO. Life doesn't lose 5 finals in a row He doesn't even make finals anymore True. But if he had, you can be pretty sure he wouldn't have choked in all 5. Would you say he "choked" in the last one? + Show Spoiler +Edit: I probably shouldn't have answered this question, it wasn't directed to me.
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On October 19 2014 06:56 sadiroTnuda wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2014 05:43 TheDwf wrote:On October 19 2014 03:15 Zealously wrote:On October 19 2014 02:28 The_Red_Viper wrote:On October 19 2014 02:21 Zealously wrote:On October 19 2014 01:56 royalroadweed wrote:On October 19 2014 01:52 Zealously wrote:On October 19 2014 01:09 tekrebel wrote: I thought these were going to be released one a day leading up to blizzcon.... WHERE ARE THE ARTICLES..... Actually, we're releasing all 16 before Blizzcon. Due to logistics (stuff needs to be written), the first few will have longer delays between them. Don't worry, we'll get them all just like last year On October 19 2014 01:43 sadiroTnuda wrote:Good article. In my view there is an additional reason to put Classic’s 2014 results on trial, as it were. His greatest achievement in 2014, his GSL run, may not provide the best evidence for his talent not just because of when it occurred but also who he defeated during that run. Starting in the round of 16 he went 2:1 over PartinG, 2:1 over soO, 3:1 over ParalyzE, 4:2 over Maru, and 4:2 over soO. That’s…a lot of teamkills, oh, and a win over Maru. Given the prevalence of SKT players in Code S in that GSL season you could say that at least one teamkill was inevitable, but, still, that’s a lot of teamkills, 4 of 5 series won in teamkills, in fact. Classic’s run starting in Code A... + Show Spoiler +2:0 Seed 0:2 TAiLS 2:0 RorO 2:1 Hydra 1:2 Life 2:1 Hydra 2:1 PartinG 2:1 soO 3:1 Paralyze 4:2 Maru 4:2 soO
Not bad, but hey isn’t that a lot of teamkills? Haha Life beat the champion when soO couldn't. Who's the best now? Now? Um....soO. Life doesn't lose 5 finals in a row He doesn't even make finals anymore True. But if he had, you can be pretty sure he wouldn't have choked in all 5. Would you say he "choked" in the last one? Sadly, at this point, it's probably irrelevant whether soO "choked" in those games or not. Anyone casually looking at soO's past results and his most recent results (the games against Innovation), can easily come up with a semi-plausible explanation involving the words "Kong," "second place," "finals," and "choking." It's not necessarily a bad explanation of why Innovation won. Obviously, soO entered the finals as someone who had already lost four finals and that probably did affect his mindset. So, there is something to saying that soO was hindered by his past failures. The problem, however, is that by saying that soO choked you can explain the GSL season 3 finals without ever having to actually watch the games involved in those finals. It's unpleasant and unsatisfying as an explanation because it involves explaining the results of the games by means of the player's mindset, something viewer's have limited access to, rather than by means of the specific builds, actions, and events in those games, which viewers can y'know actually see. Of course, that's probably the point, saying soO loses in the finals because he chokes is an easy explanation and it will be the prevalent explanation because it's an easy one or, at least, its easier than watching and analyzing the actual games.
There aren't so few games of SC2 out there that you have to draw gameplay conclusions from every single one you come across.
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On October 19 2014 06:56 sadiroTnuda wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2014 05:43 TheDwf wrote:On October 19 2014 03:15 Zealously wrote:On October 19 2014 02:28 The_Red_Viper wrote:On October 19 2014 02:21 Zealously wrote:On October 19 2014 01:56 royalroadweed wrote:On October 19 2014 01:52 Zealously wrote:On October 19 2014 01:09 tekrebel wrote: I thought these were going to be released one a day leading up to blizzcon.... WHERE ARE THE ARTICLES..... Actually, we're releasing all 16 before Blizzcon. Due to logistics (stuff needs to be written), the first few will have longer delays between them. Don't worry, we'll get them all just like last year On October 19 2014 01:43 sadiroTnuda wrote:Good article. In my view there is an additional reason to put Classic’s 2014 results on trial, as it were. His greatest achievement in 2014, his GSL run, may not provide the best evidence for his talent not just because of when it occurred but also who he defeated during that run. Starting in the round of 16 he went 2:1 over PartinG, 2:1 over soO, 3:1 over ParalyzE, 4:2 over Maru, and 4:2 over soO. That’s…a lot of teamkills, oh, and a win over Maru. Given the prevalence of SKT players in Code S in that GSL season you could say that at least one teamkill was inevitable, but, still, that’s a lot of teamkills, 4 of 5 series won in teamkills, in fact. Classic’s run starting in Code A... + Show Spoiler +2:0 Seed 0:2 TAiLS 2:0 RorO 2:1 Hydra 1:2 Life 2:1 Hydra 2:1 PartinG 2:1 soO 3:1 Paralyze 4:2 Maru 4:2 soO
Not bad, but hey isn’t that a lot of teamkills? Haha Life beat the champion when soO couldn't. Who's the best now? Now? Um....soO. Life doesn't lose 5 finals in a row He doesn't even make finals anymore True. But if he had, you can be pretty sure he wouldn't have choked in all 5. Would you say he "choked" in the last one? Sadly, at this point, it's probably irrelevant whether soO "choked" in those games or not. Anyone casually looking at soO's past results and his most recent results (the games against Innovation), can easily come up with a semi-plausible explanation involving the words "Kong," "second place," "finals," and "choking." It's not necessarily a bad explanation of why Innovation won. Obviously, soO entered the finals as someone who had already lost four finals and that probably did affect his mindset. So, there is something to saying that soO was hindered by his past failures. The problem, however, is that by saying that soO choked you can explain the GSL season 3 finals without ever having to actually watch the games involved in those finals. It's unpleasant and unsatisfying as an explanation because it involves explaining the results of the games by means of the player's mindset, something viewer's have limited access to, rather than by means of the specific builds, actions, and events in those games, which viewers can y'know actually see. Of course, that's probably the point, saying soO loses in the finals because he chokes is an easy explanation and it will be the prevalent explanation because it's an easy one or, at least, its easier than watching and analyzing the actual games.
I would never deny that Innovation is a very good player - perhaps even the best in TvZ - or that he deserved to win the GSL by merit of his skill alone. I will, however, say that soO makes mistakes more frequently in finals settings than he does elsewhere. His finals against Solar - an opponent he tore apart not too long earlier in a match-up he really masters - was a very good example of this. Obviously "nerves" doesn't tell the whole story, but it has become a reality that soO suffers from problems beyond just gameplay once he reaches the finals of any tournament.
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On October 19 2014 07:07 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2014 06:56 sadiroTnuda wrote:On October 19 2014 05:43 TheDwf wrote:On October 19 2014 03:15 Zealously wrote:On October 19 2014 02:28 The_Red_Viper wrote:On October 19 2014 02:21 Zealously wrote:On October 19 2014 01:56 royalroadweed wrote:On October 19 2014 01:52 Zealously wrote:On October 19 2014 01:09 tekrebel wrote: I thought these were going to be released one a day leading up to blizzcon.... WHERE ARE THE ARTICLES..... Actually, we're releasing all 16 before Blizzcon. Due to logistics (stuff needs to be written), the first few will have longer delays between them. Don't worry, we'll get them all just like last year On October 19 2014 01:43 sadiroTnuda wrote:Good article. In my view there is an additional reason to put Classic’s 2014 results on trial, as it were. His greatest achievement in 2014, his GSL run, may not provide the best evidence for his talent not just because of when it occurred but also who he defeated during that run. Starting in the round of 16 he went 2:1 over PartinG, 2:1 over soO, 3:1 over ParalyzE, 4:2 over Maru, and 4:2 over soO. That’s…a lot of teamkills, oh, and a win over Maru. Given the prevalence of SKT players in Code S in that GSL season you could say that at least one teamkill was inevitable, but, still, that’s a lot of teamkills, 4 of 5 series won in teamkills, in fact. Classic’s run starting in Code A... + Show Spoiler +2:0 Seed 0:2 TAiLS 2:0 RorO 2:1 Hydra 1:2 Life 2:1 Hydra 2:1 PartinG 2:1 soO 3:1 Paralyze 4:2 Maru 4:2 soO
Not bad, but hey isn’t that a lot of teamkills? Haha Life beat the champion when soO couldn't. Who's the best now? Now? Um....soO. Life doesn't lose 5 finals in a row He doesn't even make finals anymore True. But if he had, you can be pretty sure he wouldn't have choked in all 5. Would you say he "choked" in the last one? Sadly, at this point, it's probably irrelevant whether soO "choked" in those games or not. Anyone casually looking at soO's past results and his most recent results (the games against Innovation), can easily come up with a semi-plausible explanation involving the words "Kong," "second place," "finals," and "choking." It's not necessarily a bad explanation of why Innovation won. Obviously, soO entered the finals as someone who had already lost four finals and that probably did affect his mindset. So, there is something to saying that soO was hindered by his past failures. The problem, however, is that by saying that soO choked you can explain the GSL season 3 finals without ever having to actually watch the games involved in those finals. It's unpleasant and unsatisfying as an explanation because it involves explaining the results of the games by means of the player's mindset, something viewer's have limited access to, rather than by means of the specific builds, actions, and events in those games, which viewers can y'know actually see. Of course, that's probably the point, saying soO loses in the finals because he chokes is an easy explanation and it will be the prevalent explanation because it's an easy one or, at least, its easier than watching and analyzing the actual games. I would never deny that Innovation is a very good player - perhaps even the best in TvZ - or that he deserved to win the GSL by merit of his skill alone. I will, however, say that soO makes mistakes more frequently in finals settings than he does elsewhere. His finals against Solar - an opponent he tore apart not too long earlier in a match-up he really masters - was a very good example of this. Obviously "nerves" doesn't tell the whole story, but it has become a reality that soO suffers from problems beyond just gameplay once he reaches the finals of any tournament. To be sure. I think you’re right about both soO’s performance in finals and Innovation's TvZ, but why did you say that soO choked in all 5 finals? Is that really the best explanation of all 5 losses? Well, whatever, it was inappropriate of me to respond to TheDwf's question so it's not as if I'm in any position to object. + Show Spoiler +
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On October 19 2014 11:08 sadiroTnuda wrote:In which case, if individual skill determines tournament results but factors independent of the actions of individual players, such as the state of the game’s balance, determine the extent to which individual players can demonstrate their skill, then to what extent is it ever truly possible to say that Innovation, or any other player, deserves to win solely based on the merits of their skill?
...should be something to think about, at least.
That's an impossible question to answer. As long as game balance is not literally 33.33333-33.33333-33.33333 (a physical impossibility with the races being so fundamentally different), we'll never be able to say that it played a non-significant, or even a smaller part than other factors in contributing to a particular win. All we can do is base our judgments on as much context as possible... and then use that understanding to build the most balanced game we can.
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On October 19 2014 12:18 pure.Wasted wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2014 11:08 sadiroTnuda wrote:In which case, if individual skill determines tournament results but factors independent of the actions of individual players, such as the state of the game’s balance, determine the extent to which individual players can demonstrate their skill, then to what extent is it ever truly possible to say that Innovation, or any other player, deserves to win solely based on the merits of their skill?
...should be something to think about, at least.
That's an impossible question to answer. As long as game balance is not literally 33.33333-33.33333-33.33333 (a physical impossibility with the races being so fundamentally different), we'll never be able to say that it played a non-significant, or even a smaller part than other factors in contributing to a particular win. All we can do is base our judgments on as much context as possible... and then use that understanding to build the most balanced game we can. Yeah, that was kinda the point I was driving at, don't know why I was so ponderous in trying to get to it.
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Never a fan of Classic but this article is so well written : ) With soO on the other half of the bracket I think classic may have a decent chance to get to the final
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I have no clue how good Classic will do. Have we even seen him in a weekend tournament before?
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On October 21 2014 19:56 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: I have no clue how good Classic will do. Have we even seen him in a weekend tournament before? He went to DH Stockholm, (Ro16, eliminated by JD) and to IEM Cologne ((Ro8, eliminated by Polt). I don't think he will do well tbh
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