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kespa players irrationally overhyped shocker....how long before people accept theyre really not superior players just because they're on a broodwar team. The reason they're so prominent in GSL is because a lot of good players don't compete in Korea - those non-kespas left are usually without a proper team.
Time and time again, their results when competing on a world stage have been mediocre. Taeja, Snute and other players have shown they're superior players than those at Kespa.
It's just so ridiculously irrational and reading this overhyping of zest just emphasises it so well. Yes plenty of good players are kespa given that they make up most korean players. But they're not the best, they do not have an inherent superiority and the elephant in the room has been proven completely wrong. MC outplaying herO, Polt narrowly losing to Classic, Zest getting destroyed by Life (both games life lost he threw IMO), Taeja outclassing SoO.
Sorry for the long rant but teamliquid writers seem to lose all reason when nostalgia of broodwar teams kicks in and they start asserting things which have been proven incorrect time and time again.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On November 03 2014 01:08 IAMPRO wrote: kespa players irrationally overhyped shocker....how long before people accept theyre really not superior players just because they're on a broodwar team. The reason they're so prominent in GSL is because a lot of good players don't compete in Korea - those non-kespas left are usually without a proper team.
Time and time again, their results when competing on a world stage have been mediocre. Taeja, Snute and other players have shown they're superior players than those at Kespa.
It's just so ridiculously irrational and reading this overhyping of zest just emphasises it so well. Yes plenty of good players are kespa given that they make up most korean players. But they're not the best, they do not have an inherent superiority and the elephant in the room has been proven completely wrong. MC outplaying herO, Polt narrowly losing to Classic, Zest getting destroyed by Life (both games life lost he threw IMO), Taeja outclassing SoO.
Sorry for the long rant but teamliquid writers seem to lose all reason when nostalgia of broodwar teams kicks in and they start asserting things which have been proven incorrect time and time again.
I would argue that Zest's three championships this year probably played a larger role in the writer's assessment of Zest than his Brood War background.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On November 02 2014 21:34 lichter wrote:none of the players i wrote for won good thing i wasnt a fan of any of them
Taeja on the other hand, made me look like a god.
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On November 03 2014 01:31 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2014 21:34 lichter wrote:On November 02 2014 21:15 DarkLordOlli wrote: That didnt go as planned none of the players i wrote for won good thing i wasnt a fan of any of them Taeja on the other hand, made me look like a god. Stating the obvious doesn't make you look like a God.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On November 03 2014 01:57 HellHound wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 01:31 stuchiu wrote:On November 02 2014 21:34 lichter wrote:On November 02 2014 21:15 DarkLordOlli wrote: That didnt go as planned none of the players i wrote for won good thing i wasnt a fan of any of them Taeja on the other hand, made me look like a god. Stating the obvious doesn't make you look like a God.
"Thou shalt not kill" seemed obvious to me.
Though I didnt yell at people to put no other gods before me. So I am a merciful and understanding God? I'll go with that.
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United States7483 Posts
On November 03 2014 01:19 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 01:08 IAMPRO wrote: kespa players irrationally overhyped shocker....how long before people accept theyre really not superior players just because they're on a broodwar team. The reason they're so prominent in GSL is because a lot of good players don't compete in Korea - those non-kespas left are usually without a proper team.
Time and time again, their results when competing on a world stage have been mediocre. Taeja, Snute and other players have shown they're superior players than those at Kespa.
It's just so ridiculously irrational and reading this overhyping of zest just emphasises it so well. Yes plenty of good players are kespa given that they make up most korean players. But they're not the best, they do not have an inherent superiority and the elephant in the room has been proven completely wrong. MC outplaying herO, Polt narrowly losing to Classic, Zest getting destroyed by Life (both games life lost he threw IMO), Taeja outclassing SoO.
Sorry for the long rant but teamliquid writers seem to lose all reason when nostalgia of broodwar teams kicks in and they start asserting things which have been proven incorrect time and time again. I would argue that Zest's three championships this year probably played a larger role in the writer's assessment of Zest than his Brood War background.
Four if you count proleague, as he was clearly a huge part in their winning that.
Zest wasn't overhyped, he didn't play nearly as well as he normally does, precisely the same as the last time he played in an overseas tournament. I don't think he knows how to adjust and was likely very tired and jetlagged. Life has a lot more experience playing outside of korea and had a better handle on what to do to prepare well.
In all seriousness, it mostly comes down to the manager. Zest's play did not resemble his usual self at all.
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Fionn mentioned KT getting flack from netizens - does anyone know more about this?
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On November 03 2014 17:46 Whitewing wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 01:19 Zealously wrote:On November 03 2014 01:08 IAMPRO wrote: kespa players irrationally overhyped shocker....how long before people accept theyre really not superior players just because they're on a broodwar team. The reason they're so prominent in GSL is because a lot of good players don't compete in Korea - those non-kespas left are usually without a proper team.
Time and time again, their results when competing on a world stage have been mediocre. Taeja, Snute and other players have shown they're superior players than those at Kespa.
It's just so ridiculously irrational and reading this overhyping of zest just emphasises it so well. Yes plenty of good players are kespa given that they make up most korean players. But they're not the best, they do not have an inherent superiority and the elephant in the room has been proven completely wrong. MC outplaying herO, Polt narrowly losing to Classic, Zest getting destroyed by Life (both games life lost he threw IMO), Taeja outclassing SoO.
Sorry for the long rant but teamliquid writers seem to lose all reason when nostalgia of broodwar teams kicks in and they start asserting things which have been proven incorrect time and time again. I would argue that Zest's three championships this year probably played a larger role in the writer's assessment of Zest than his Brood War background. Four if you count proleague, as he was clearly a huge part in their winning that. Zest wasn't overhyped, he didn't play nearly as well as he normally does, precisely the same as the last time he played in an overseas tournament. I don't think he knows how to adjust and was likely very tired and jetlagged. Life has a lot more experience playing outside of korea and had a better handle on what to do to prepare well. In all seriousness, it mostly comes down to the manager. Zest's play did not resemble his usual self at all. Zest playing a huge part in winning proleague? I dont think he contributed that much in the semi-finals and finals: losing to sOs, Rogue and Rain and only winning against Avenge and against Maru narrowly (i know he all killed SKT BUT we all know that Round 1 was SUCH a long time ago)
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On November 03 2014 23:21 MiniFotToss wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 17:46 Whitewing wrote:On November 03 2014 01:19 Zealously wrote:On November 03 2014 01:08 IAMPRO wrote: kespa players irrationally overhyped shocker....how long before people accept theyre really not superior players just because they're on a broodwar team. The reason they're so prominent in GSL is because a lot of good players don't compete in Korea - those non-kespas left are usually without a proper team.
Time and time again, their results when competing on a world stage have been mediocre. Taeja, Snute and other players have shown they're superior players than those at Kespa.
It's just so ridiculously irrational and reading this overhyping of zest just emphasises it so well. Yes plenty of good players are kespa given that they make up most korean players. But they're not the best, they do not have an inherent superiority and the elephant in the room has been proven completely wrong. MC outplaying herO, Polt narrowly losing to Classic, Zest getting destroyed by Life (both games life lost he threw IMO), Taeja outclassing SoO.
Sorry for the long rant but teamliquid writers seem to lose all reason when nostalgia of broodwar teams kicks in and they start asserting things which have been proven incorrect time and time again. I would argue that Zest's three championships this year probably played a larger role in the writer's assessment of Zest than his Brood War background. Four if you count proleague, as he was clearly a huge part in their winning that. Zest wasn't overhyped, he didn't play nearly as well as he normally does, precisely the same as the last time he played in an overseas tournament. I don't think he knows how to adjust and was likely very tired and jetlagged. Life has a lot more experience playing outside of korea and had a better handle on what to do to prepare well. In all seriousness, it mostly comes down to the manager. Zest's play did not resemble his usual self at all. Zest playing a huge part in winning proleague? I dont think he contributed that much in the semi-finals and finals: losing to sOs, Rogue and Rain and only winning against Avenge and against Maru narrowly (i know he all killed SKT BUT we all know that Round 1 was SUCH a long time ago)
The four rounds were equal in importance, though, so him playing well for a while before dropping off in Proleague still means that he was instrumental to their victory. Without Zest, I don't think they would have won Proleague because they would not have been in the position to.
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On November 03 2014 01:08 IAMPRO wrote: kespa players irrationally overhyped shocker....how long before people accept theyre really not superior players just because they're on a broodwar team. The reason they're so prominent in GSL is because a lot of good players don't compete in Korea - those non-kespas left are usually without a proper team.
Time and time again, their results when competing on a world stage have been mediocre. Taeja, Snute and other players have shown they're superior players than those at Kespa.
It's just so ridiculously irrational and reading this overhyping of zest just emphasises it so well. Yes plenty of good players are kespa given that they make up most korean players. But they're not the best, they do not have an inherent superiority and the elephant in the room has been proven completely wrong. MC outplaying herO, Polt narrowly losing to Classic, Zest getting destroyed by Life (both games life lost he threw IMO), Taeja outclassing SoO.
Sorry for the long rant but teamliquid writers seem to lose all reason when nostalgia of broodwar teams kicks in and they start asserting things which have been proven incorrect time and time again. I think Zest played too many PvP recently and his PvZ and PvT are a lot less impressive. In a protoss dominated era, a PvP god was enough to earn you a few good tournaments. He now needs to elevate his PvZ and PvT on par with his PvP games.
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On November 03 2014 01:08 IAMPRO wrote: kespa players irrationally overhyped shocker....how long before people accept theyre really not superior players just because they're on a broodwar team. The reason they're so prominent in GSL is because a lot of good players don't compete in Korea - those non-kespas left are usually without a proper team.
Time and time again, their results when competing on a world stage have been mediocre. Taeja, Snute and other players have shown they're superior players than those at Kespa.
It's just so ridiculously irrational and reading this overhyping of zest just emphasises it so well. Yes plenty of good players are kespa given that they make up most korean players. But they're not the best, they do not have an inherent superiority and the elephant in the room has been proven completely wrong. MC outplaying herO, Polt narrowly losing to Classic, Zest getting destroyed by Life (both games life lost he threw IMO), Taeja outclassing SoO.
Sorry for the long rant but teamliquid writers seem to lose all reason when nostalgia of broodwar teams kicks in and they start asserting things which have been proven incorrect time and time again.
MC didnt outplay herO lol
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On November 03 2014 01:08 IAMPRO wrote: kespa players irrationally overhyped shocker....how long before people accept theyre really not superior players just because they're on a broodwar team. The reason they're so prominent in GSL is because a lot of good players don't compete in Korea - those non-kespas left are usually without a proper team.
Time and time again, their results when competing on a world stage have been mediocre. Taeja, Snute and other players have shown they're superior players than those at Kespa.
It's just so ridiculously irrational and reading this overhyping of zest just emphasises it so well. Yes plenty of good players are kespa given that they make up most korean players. But they're not the best, they do not have an inherent superiority and the elephant in the room has been proven completely wrong. MC outplaying herO, Polt narrowly losing to Classic, Zest getting destroyed by Life (both games life lost he threw IMO), Taeja outclassing SoO.
Sorry for the long rant but teamliquid writers seem to lose all reason when nostalgia of broodwar teams kicks in and they start asserting things which have been proven incorrect time and time again. You do know that all those non-kespa players were once part of kespa? They just chose to leave and find opportunities elsewhere.
MC, Polt, Life, and Taeja all started in the kespa environment, which instilled the hard work and training regime. All they did was leave KeSPA, but they didn't lose the hard work or training regime.
Some players that leave the kespa environment find it difficult to train (i.e. INnoVation) and need to go back.
It has nothing to do with being on a BW team
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United Kingdom31934 Posts
On November 04 2014 01:55 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 01:08 IAMPRO wrote: kespa players irrationally overhyped shocker....how long before people accept theyre really not superior players just because they're on a broodwar team. The reason they're so prominent in GSL is because a lot of good players don't compete in Korea - those non-kespas left are usually without a proper team.
Time and time again, their results when competing on a world stage have been mediocre. Taeja, Snute and other players have shown they're superior players than those at Kespa.
It's just so ridiculously irrational and reading this overhyping of zest just emphasises it so well. Yes plenty of good players are kespa given that they make up most korean players. But they're not the best, they do not have an inherent superiority and the elephant in the room has been proven completely wrong. MC outplaying herO, Polt narrowly losing to Classic, Zest getting destroyed by Life (both games life lost he threw IMO), Taeja outclassing SoO.
Sorry for the long rant but teamliquid writers seem to lose all reason when nostalgia of broodwar teams kicks in and they start asserting things which have been proven incorrect time and time again. You do know that all those non-kespa players were once part of kespa? They just chose to leave and find opportunities elsewhere. MC, Polt, Life, and Taeja all started in the kespa environment, which instilled the hard work and training regime. All they did was leave KeSPA, but they didn't lose the hard work or training regime. Some players that leave the kespa environment find it difficult to train (i.e. INnoVation) and need to go back. It has nothing to do with being on a BW team Polt and Taeja were never kespa
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On November 04 2014 02:00 GumBa wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2014 01:55 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:On November 03 2014 01:08 IAMPRO wrote: kespa players irrationally overhyped shocker....how long before people accept theyre really not superior players just because they're on a broodwar team. The reason they're so prominent in GSL is because a lot of good players don't compete in Korea - those non-kespas left are usually without a proper team.
Time and time again, their results when competing on a world stage have been mediocre. Taeja, Snute and other players have shown they're superior players than those at Kespa.
It's just so ridiculously irrational and reading this overhyping of zest just emphasises it so well. Yes plenty of good players are kespa given that they make up most korean players. But they're not the best, they do not have an inherent superiority and the elephant in the room has been proven completely wrong. MC outplaying herO, Polt narrowly losing to Classic, Zest getting destroyed by Life (both games life lost he threw IMO), Taeja outclassing SoO.
Sorry for the long rant but teamliquid writers seem to lose all reason when nostalgia of broodwar teams kicks in and they start asserting things which have been proven incorrect time and time again. You do know that all those non-kespa players were once part of kespa? They just chose to leave and find opportunities elsewhere. MC, Polt, Life, and Taeja all started in the kespa environment, which instilled the hard work and training regime. All they did was leave KeSPA, but they didn't lose the hard work or training regime. Some players that leave the kespa environment find it difficult to train (i.e. INnoVation) and need to go back. It has nothing to do with being on a BW team Polt and Taeja were never kespa
what a lie!!! Did you forget the abomination called EGTL? Taeja WAS part of kespa!!! :O :O :O
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On November 04 2014 01:25 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 01:08 IAMPRO wrote: kespa players irrationally overhyped shocker....how long before people accept theyre really not superior players just because they're on a broodwar team. The reason they're so prominent in GSL is because a lot of good players don't compete in Korea - those non-kespas left are usually without a proper team.
Time and time again, their results when competing on a world stage have been mediocre. Taeja, Snute and other players have shown they're superior players than those at Kespa.
It's just so ridiculously irrational and reading this overhyping of zest just emphasises it so well. Yes plenty of good players are kespa given that they make up most korean players. But they're not the best, they do not have an inherent superiority and the elephant in the room has been proven completely wrong. MC outplaying herO, Polt narrowly losing to Classic, Zest getting destroyed by Life (both games life lost he threw IMO), Taeja outclassing SoO.
Sorry for the long rant but teamliquid writers seem to lose all reason when nostalgia of broodwar teams kicks in and they start asserting things which have been proven incorrect time and time again. MC didnt outplay herO lol MC, Polt have ridiculous foreign experience which allows them to put up a fair fight against the kespa players. If you let them to play out the series 100 times, they will lose a lot more games. Taeja has the experience and the skills, which makes him a favorite. Zest was not in form and played horribly, the loss is completely on him.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On November 04 2014 02:00 GumBa wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2014 01:55 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:On November 03 2014 01:08 IAMPRO wrote: kespa players irrationally overhyped shocker....how long before people accept theyre really not superior players just because they're on a broodwar team. The reason they're so prominent in GSL is because a lot of good players don't compete in Korea - those non-kespas left are usually without a proper team.
Time and time again, their results when competing on a world stage have been mediocre. Taeja, Snute and other players have shown they're superior players than those at Kespa.
It's just so ridiculously irrational and reading this overhyping of zest just emphasises it so well. Yes plenty of good players are kespa given that they make up most korean players. But they're not the best, they do not have an inherent superiority and the elephant in the room has been proven completely wrong. MC outplaying herO, Polt narrowly losing to Classic, Zest getting destroyed by Life (both games life lost he threw IMO), Taeja outclassing SoO.
Sorry for the long rant but teamliquid writers seem to lose all reason when nostalgia of broodwar teams kicks in and they start asserting things which have been proven incorrect time and time again. You do know that all those non-kespa players were once part of kespa? They just chose to leave and find opportunities elsewhere. MC, Polt, Life, and Taeja all started in the kespa environment, which instilled the hard work and training regime. All they did was leave KeSPA, but they didn't lose the hard work or training regime. Some players that leave the kespa environment find it difficult to train (i.e. INnoVation) and need to go back. It has nothing to do with being on a BW team Polt and Taeja were never kespa
Neither was Life.
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Onwards to conquer Europe with Flash/TY!
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On November 01 2014 03:38 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2014 03:31 Kihshra wrote:On November 01 2014 03:19 Zealously wrote:On November 01 2014 03:15 Kihshra wrote: So the authors of the articles believe that MMA is the strongest of those 16 ? What? The Tarot card you chose for MMA is the 20th trump card whose number is greater than the cards you chose for the other players. I know you only wanted to associate the signification of the cards with the players but come on, did you really expect nobody would notice ? Edit: could be Bomber too. If we insist on attaching meaning to the numbers of the respective Tarot cards (which we really shouldn't, since their cards correspond to attributes of their play, personality and career rather than meaning within the Arcana), then Bomber would be our favorite to win, rather than MMA. Time to say you always had the numbers of the cards in mind
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On November 09 2014 08:12 Kihshra wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2014 03:38 Zealously wrote:On November 01 2014 03:31 Kihshra wrote:On November 01 2014 03:19 Zealously wrote:On November 01 2014 03:15 Kihshra wrote: So the authors of the articles believe that MMA is the strongest of those 16 ? What? The Tarot card you chose for MMA is the 20th trump card whose number is greater than the cards you chose for the other players. I know you only wanted to associate the signification of the cards with the players but come on, did you really expect nobody would notice ? Edit: could be Bomber too. If we insist on attaching meaning to the numbers of the respective Tarot cards (which we really shouldn't, since their cards correspond to attributes of their play, personality and career rather than meaning within the Arcana), then Bomber would be our favorite to win, rather than MMA. Time to say you always had the numbers of the cards in mind
But MMA didn't win
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