Korea 2015: Battle for the Empty Throne
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Lexender
Mexico2608 Posts
On January 19 2015 11:15 Ghanburighan wrote: This article was a nice piece of hype building but it brushed over the current GSL champion Innovation... If there's a T that can consistently win in Korea this year, it's him. He's got the motivation, the form, the team and the experience needed. I don't really think Innovation has what it takes to become the next Mvp. Innovation is too much like Flash, playes too standard, is slow to change. Sure he may be the best player when it comes to mechanics, but Mvp was much more than that, not only he could be best the mechanical player with greath micro and near perfect macro, he was also one of the smartest players to ever play, even when he couldn't defeat players with his hands, he was able to defeat them with his brain | ||
Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On January 19 2015 11:15 Ghanburighan wrote: This article was a nice piece of hype building but it brushed over the current GSL champion Innovation... If there's a T that can consistently win in Korea this year, it's him. He's got the motivation, the form, the team and the experience needed. Innovation would have to be on that list. In hindsight, I guess Dear has a good shot too, given his recent performance. | ||
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United States7081 Posts
I can't read these darn articles any more. I feel like I'm going crazy!!! I feel like people are going to look back on HOTS and consider Taeja the best Terran. And I'm going to be sitting in the corner talking to myself!!! He's an amazing player. He has a wonderful style. Every terran should copy him on ladder because of the way he plays. But is simply disqualified from being considered the best. Uck.Of course that's my opinion. And I get that people can differ. But it's weird how he ALWAYS shows up. It's like everyone is using some bizarre criteria and it makes sense to them but not to me.So strange for me. | ||
forsooth
United States3648 Posts
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On January 19 2015 12:00 -_- wrote: I legitimately don't understand how people who follow SC2 closely can consistently rate Taeja so high. There are tournaments in Korea where the best players play. Taeja doesn't win them. Taeja has had many more opportunities to play in Premier tournaments than the players who play in the competitive tournaments. Because of that, he wins more often. He also has had more practice with the different formats. So he wins at a higher clip as well. I can't read these darn articles any more. I feel like I'm going crazy!!! I feel like people are going to look back on HOTS and consider Taeja the best Terran. And I'm going to be sitting in the corner talking to myself!!! He's an amazing player. He has a wonderful style. Every terran should copy him on ladder because of the way he plays. But is simply disqualified from being considered the best. Uck.Of course that's my opinion. And I get that people can differ. But it's weird how he ALWAYS shows up. It's like everyone is using some bizarre criteria and it makes sense to them but not to me.So strange for me. He's really hard to judge though. 2012-13 (WoL) his GSL runs were: quarterfinals, quarterfinals, semifinals, Ro32, semifinals. And he won 3 Premier titles in that year. At this point, he was probably the best Terran in the world, only challenged by an upcoming Innovation and an downfalling Mvp. Then in HotS he went through the group stages of the GSL again in S1, only being surpassed by Innovation and Bomber. That's it, he left the GSL voluntarily. He wasn't defeated, he just went to WCS America and won 8 Premier titles 2013-2014, many of them against top-GSL players (though he didn't win WCS AM). I agree that he is probably not the best Terran in the world, but it's really hard to argue he is not one of the very best. This GSL/NSSL is the first time we have seen him in this sort of tournament for a long time. And though he dropped out early in both, the article was written before that but after he qualified for both (I believe). And even then... soO and Zest both didn't even qualify. Even just falling out of those tournaments early isn't that indicative of not being at the top imo, though obviously you are currently not the #1 player. | ||
calh
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Jett.Jack.Alvir
Canada2250 Posts
On January 19 2015 12:00 -_- wrote: I legitimately don't understand how people who follow SC2 closely can consistently rate Taeja so high. There are tournaments in Korea where the best players play. Taeja doesn't win them. Taeja has had many more opportunities to play in Premier tournaments than the players who play in the competitive tournaments. Because of that, he wins more often. He also has had more practice with the different formats. So he wins at a higher clip as well. I can't read these darn articles any more. I feel like I'm going crazy!!! I feel like people are going to look back on HOTS and consider Taeja the best Terran. And I'm going to be sitting in the corner talking to myself!!! He's an amazing player. He has a wonderful style. Every terran should copy him on ladder because of the way he plays. But is simply disqualified from being considered the best. Uck.Of course that's my opinion. And I get that people can differ. But it's weird how he ALWAYS shows up. It's like everyone is using some bizarre criteria and it makes sense to them but not to me.So strange for me. I am in the same boat bro. I like Taeja, and he is a great player, but I honestly don't see the hype around him. Innovation, MVP, and even Flash are just as good, and maybe better. | ||
Blargh
United States2069 Posts
On January 19 2015 12:05 forsooth wrote: Mvp will always be my favorite, it's hard to see him fade into irrelevance, especially because of injury. Yeah, I really like seeing really dominant players (like Flash in BW, or Mvp for SC2) as it usually means that there is a clear difference in skill, and that skill is being represented accurately. Though, while skill obviously matters in SC2, I would say towards the top, the randomness starts to play a bigger and bigger role in the game, lowering the quality of the matches. But I will always appreciate Mvp for his dominance in WoL era. In regards to Taeja, I've always thought of him as a top Terran, with a real knack for weekend LAN events. But there have only been a few moments where I thought "Taeja is most definitely the best Terran right now" and those moments have never lasted that extremely long. Comparing a weekend tournament that has maybe 8-16 top-tier players in it to a fully Korean tournament with ~every top-tier player in it with the players practicing almost entirely for it (GSL) is just a bit silly. Taeja needs to win some GSL's before he can hold the title of "Best Terran ever" in SC2. While I wouldn't say Innovation has reached that state either, I'd say Innovation has better odds of reaching it at this point, and I also think that Innovation looked quite a bit better than Taeja during their primes. | ||
AxiomBlurr
786 Posts
That is right you doubters,,,MC. Infact I don't even need to put up arguements to back my picking...MC's liquipedia page speaks of his Bonjwa status in both $$$ and wins. Now he is back in GSL and topped his round of 32 group - who else has been playing as long as him and still has his level of play??? FARKN NO ONE! | ||
Blargh
United States2069 Posts
On January 19 2015 12:51 AxiomBlurr wrote: I still say that MC and Mvp are the Bonjwa's of SC2, followed closely by Taeja... That is right you doubters,,,MC. Infact I don't even need to put up arguements to back my picking...MC's liquipedia page speaks of his Bonjwa status in both $$$ and wins. Now he is back in GSL and topped his round of 32 group - who else has been playing as long as him and still has his level of play??? FARKN NO ONE! I'll give him a bit of credit if he can get to Ro8 in this GSL. He looked alright in his group, but he's still got to prove himself as a top-tier player in a Korean tournament again. | ||
Jett.Jack.Alvir
Canada2250 Posts
On January 19 2015 12:51 AxiomBlurr wrote: I still say that MC and Mvp are the Bonjwa's of SC2, followed closely by Taeja... That is right you doubters,,,MC. Infact I don't even need to put up arguements to back my picking...MC's liquipedia page speaks of his Bonjwa status in both $$$ and wins. Now he is back in GSL and topped his round of 32 group - who else has been playing as long as him and still has his level of play??? FARKN NO ONE! MC would be a contender for bonjwa status, but he has a flaw that everyone knows. MC can't play a macro game if his money depended on it. Every time he loses, its cause the opponent managed to stop his all in. MC is the king of all in, but that is his biggest strength and major flaw. edit: When I say biggest strength, I mean he prepares for his opponent so much, that he devises an all in tailored to specifically kill his opponent. And he will use it stubbornly. | ||
HellHound
Bulgaria5962 Posts
On January 19 2015 12:51 AxiomBlurr wrote: TaeJa has been playing since the first gsl.I still say that MC and Mvp are the Bonjwa's of SC2, followed closely by Taeja... That is right you doubters,,,MC. Infact I don't even need to put up arguements to back my picking...MC's liquipedia page speaks of his Bonjwa status in both $$$ and wins. Now he is back in GSL and topped his round of 32 group - who else has been playing as long as him and still has his level of play??? FARKN NO ONE! | ||
HellHound
Bulgaria5962 Posts
On January 19 2015 12:00 -_- wrote: I legitimately don't understand how people who follow SC2 closely can consistently rate Taeja so high. There are tournaments in Korea where the best players play. Taeja doesn't win them. Taeja has had many more opportunities to play in Premier tournaments than the players who play in the competitive tournaments. Because of that, he wins more often. He also has had more practice with the different formats. So he wins at a higher clip as well. I can't read these darn articles any more. I feel like I'm going crazy!!! I feel like people are going to look back on HOTS and consider Taeja the best Terran. And I'm going to be sitting in the corner talking to myself!!! He's an amazing player. He has a wonderful style. Every terran should copy him on ladder because of the way he plays. But is simply disqualified from being considered the best. Uck.Of course that's my opinion. And I get that people can differ. But it's weird how he ALWAYS shows up. It's like everyone is using some bizarre criteria and it makes sense to them but not to me.So strange for me. It's because his playstyle is different then everyone else which makes him more notable then most. It's the same reason soO went under the radar for so long despite being so strong and it took so many finals in a row for him to get noticed, his style is safe and standart macro play. (tho now it's more cheesy fucker with weird macro builds that can play standart if he wants to :D) | ||
AxiomBlurr
786 Posts
On January 19 2015 13:00 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote: MC would be a contender for bonjwa status, but he has a flaw that everyone knows. MC can't play a macro game if his money depended on it. Every time he loses, its cause the opponent managed to stop his all in. MC is the king of all in, but that is his biggest strength and major flaw. edit: When I say biggest strength, I mean he prepares for his opponent so much, that he devises an all in tailored to specifically kill his opponent. And he will use it stubbornly. This is a general misconception about MC... whilst he is famous for his decisive all ins... he can macro extremely well~~ | ||
Lexender
Mexico2608 Posts
On January 19 2015 13:14 HellHound wrote: TaeJa has been playing since the first gsl. But Taeja best runs were 2 Ro4. Actually thats just like Jinro's Jinro confirmed Bonjwa!! | ||
Darkhorse
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rararock
United States41 Posts
For people wondering why taeja is being talked about is because at his best he is championship material. When he is on form he looks like he is a tier above everyone else. However, he and bomber share a tendency for one day playing brilliantly then the next day playing awful and that is why a lot of people don't rake him highly. My fondest memory of his play is some team tournament with a weird format where he reverse all killed a team, then all killed them again for 8 straight wins. At that moment he looked untouchable. | ||
Deleted User 137586
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On January 19 2015 14:15 Darkhorse wrote: Look at this awesome and necessary article getting half the views/comments of something with Naniwa in the title. Comments and views are not a measure of reach. I'd wager that this gets way more unique visits, while some people just like to spam Naniwa articles with abuse/whiteknighting. | ||
Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On January 19 2015 12:51 AxiomBlurr wrote: I still say that MC and Mvp are the Bonjwa's of SC2, followed closely by Taeja... That is right you doubters,,,MC. Infact I don't even need to put up arguements to back my picking...MC's liquipedia page speaks of his Bonjwa status in both $$$ and wins. Now he is back in GSL and topped his round of 32 group - who else has been playing as long as him and still has his level of play??? FARKN NO ONE! MaruPrime, SlayerS_Taeja, ZeNEX_Life, SlayerS_MMA, MVP_DRG Lots of pretty good players nowadays that have been playing since the first half year after launch and that are all probably around or above MC's level currently. | ||
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