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On December 16 2014 22:50 krjay wrote: I'm really surprised CS:GO took off in popularity like it did. I don't believe it was on launch, but rather later in its lifespan. Anyone more familiar with the scene know why it sky rocketed in popularity so fast out of nowhere? It's cheap (less than $15), and offers challenging and social gameplay that never really gets boring, despite the fact that the maps haven't changed in 15 years.
Oh, and it also has childish unlocks and gun skins.
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On December 16 2014 22:50 krjay wrote: I'm really surprised CS:GO took off in popularity like it did. I don't believe it was on launch, but rather later in its lifespan. Anyone more familiar with the scene know why it sky rocketed in popularity so fast out of nowhere?
Valve worked on getting it better, the pros didn't liked it at first but most have switched now, and valve offer it on sales very often.
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I was used to watch everytime in Dreamhack for the Sunday for big ScII final matches. Damn... I don't like the reality, but people always prefer the easier and simple games. No offence please, ScII is much simple comparing to the original and Broodwar and still it's difficult to gather such a big audience in order to understand and entertain this game. SC is the best E-sport!
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I'm surprised this wasn't already the case. The game is clearly more popular than SC2 right now.
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On December 16 2014 10:10 brickrd wrote: lol, the inevitable "other games are only more popular because their fans aren't geniuses like RTS players" horseshit is in full swing, i see
wonder what the excuse would be if another RTS ever became bigger than starcraft? So you weren't around when SC2 replaced BW, right ? Basically the same, except our RTS is for smarter and more talented people than your volatile RTS.
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Edit - As i am sure my crap english didn't manage to explain. I am not bashing SC2, i am just stating that people will flame the game that replaces theirs no matter what.
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On December 17 2014 02:13 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2014 10:10 brickrd wrote: lol, the inevitable "other games are only more popular because their fans aren't geniuses like RTS players" horseshit is in full swing, i see
wonder what the excuse would be if another RTS ever became bigger than starcraft? So you weren't around when SC2 replaced BW, right ? Basically the same, except our RTS is for smarter and more talented people than your volatile RTS. Can we not have this discussion? >.>
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I watched some CS:GO. No death balls, the players are spreading out on the map, no destructible rocks, the economy is aweful because it's not caped on 3 bases. No xel naga tower neither eventhough these Fnatic guys would greatly appreciate it. The only good thing is that their map pool is as stale as ours eventhough figuring a map out on Sc2 seems way easier than on CS:GO.
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On December 17 2014 02:36 algue wrote: I watched some CS:GO. No death balls, the players are spreading out on the map, no destructible rocks, the economy is aweful because it's not caped on 3 bases. No xel naga tower neither eventhough these Fnatic guys would greatly appreciate it. The only good thing is that their map pool is as stale as ours eventhough figuring a map out on Sc2 seems way easier than on CS:GO.
Literal LOL. I just imagined a xelnaga tower in cs and almost fell out of my chair. Good one. SC2 would be so much better without towers now that I think about it.
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On December 17 2014 02:47 johnbongham wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2014 02:36 algue wrote: I watched some CS:GO. No death balls, the players are spreading out on the map, no destructible rocks, the economy is aweful because it's not caped on 3 bases. No xel naga tower neither eventhough these Fnatic guys would greatly appreciate it. The only good thing is that their map pool is as stale as ours eventhough figuring a map out on Sc2 seems way easier than on CS:GO. Literal LOL. I just imagined a xelnaga tower in cs and almost fell out of my chair. Good one. SC2 would be so much better without towers now that I think about it.
Watchtowers are fine, especially on gigantic huge maps. I never understood why people had such a problem with them.
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XNT's can be great or awful depending on how they're used.
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On December 17 2014 02:17 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2014 02:13 Godwrath wrote:On December 16 2014 10:10 brickrd wrote: lol, the inevitable "other games are only more popular because their fans aren't geniuses like RTS players" horseshit is in full swing, i see
wonder what the excuse would be if another RTS ever became bigger than starcraft? So you weren't around when SC2 replaced BW, right ? Basically the same, except our RTS is for smarter and more talented people than your volatile RTS. Can we not have this discussion? >.> What discussion ? People will always be demeaning to other's people hobbies when they feel displaced, that's the point i am trying to convey, not that SC2 is worse/better/whatever than BW. Or do you mean something else ?
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I remember SC2, there were a lot of awesome people involved in the scene. Unfortunately the game wasn't particularly well designed and the developers didn't do enough to help it prosper. Also the lack of international competition at the highest level probably turned a lot of casual western viewers off.
CS:GO wasn't great in the early days but the developers did enough to help it and now Counter Strike is back to being one of the premier esports in the west and the world. Makes sense for organisations to start picking CS:GO over SC2, especially for Dreamhack.
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On December 16 2014 14:07 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2014 12:39 klipik12 wrote: So does SC2 not get the open circuit anymore? Will DH Valencia, Stockholm, Moscow, Bucharest, France, etc be CS:GO tourneys now? Because that would really suck. Its unclear what this means yet, but I don't think DH will drop SC2 completely. They might reduce the number of tourneys, but definitely not drop it.
Maybe they change it, so SC2 gets ESL-One-like tourneys now.
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Nathanias cryptic clues what are DH going to do with SC2?
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Unfortunately that's business. Starcraft won't die though. Don't worry people.
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I want all E-Sports to co-exist and push each other. Valve upped CS:Source to a mass compatible enjoyable game. Ladder, Ranks, AntiCheat, Bets, Item Drops, InGame spectator, microtransaction basicly they took the best from LoL and Sc2 and put it in source engine. I could live with sc2, Dota2/Hots/LoL,CS 1.6 - 2 as DH games.
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Past two months I found myself watching more cs:go esport streams than sc2 esport streams. I didn't watch DH winter sc2 at all, enjoyed DH winter cs:go instead. Maybe it's cause I have a history with the original vanilla cs, maybe it's cause sc2 got boring.
I would even be fine with it now if they kept sc2 esports mainly just in Korea (gsl & proleague) as long as the match quality & English coverage/commentary there are amazing.
Valve is just smarter about the design compared to sc2. CS:Go costs only 2.5 euro at times, but all the sticker/skin micro-transactions pump money into that esports scene. Looking at my gmail (steam wallet refill) it seems I spend 85 euro on random cs:go crap in 2014.
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im surprised it took this long to happen
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