Do pro players train for too long and inefficiently?
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ren0312
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Fighter
Korea (South)1524 Posts
Maybe some of them make some poor choices about how to use their time. But for a lot of them I imagine it's tough to get things balanced in at all an appropriate way. Must be nice having a team house for that sort of thing. | ||
ren0312
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Cloak
United States816 Posts
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Dan26
Australia239 Posts
On December 24 2014 22:44 Cloak wrote: There is some ideal ratio of awake practice to sleep practice since your brain does simulate and reinforce emotionally salient connections. There is also benefit to being at your body's most efficient rather than most practiced and malnourished. It will vary by individual, but generally it seems the diminishing return on practice isn't punishing enough to dissuade Koreans, given the adaptability of our brain with sleep deprivation and rote tasks. It eventually comes back as injury due to repetitive strain, but it seems like more is still better, even though only marginally better and runs out the wrist life span. In these tragedy of the commons scenarios, a lateral force is needed for intervention to change the playing field. awake practice to sleep practice? emotionally salient connections? That makes no sense at all. The rest of your post I understand but not that first sentence lol. | ||
ren0312
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
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Cloak
United States816 Posts
On December 24 2014 22:49 Dan26 wrote: awake practice to sleep practice? emotionally salient connections? That makes no sense at all. The rest of your post I understand but not that first sentence lol. Your brain simulates what you do in awake life while you sleep. There's a famous Tetris study http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetris_effect that goes into detail about it. Emotionally salient = important to you. You assign value to objects and concepts in your world, and they become more salient i.e. "important" to you. You ignore the pressure on your ass when you sit in a chair, but pay attention to the arbitrary black lettering on the shiny screen to construe this message. | ||
ren0312
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shell
Portugal2722 Posts
On December 24 2014 22:52 ren0312 wrote: Maybe they need to learn something from formula 1 physiotherapists? This is probably one of the most random comments i ever saw in TL :D | ||
ren0312
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On December 24 2014 22:54 shell wrote: This is probably one of the most random comments i ever saw in TL :D No it is an example of a sport with both extremely heavy mental and physical work loads. Try operating driving a formula 1 car for 10 laps at full racing speed, even pro athletes will be wasted. | ||
JPie90
United States3 Posts
But the bottom line is pro gamers want to secure results, and they are going to do whatever they believe will help them achieve that. That means 12 to 16 hour practice days, "reversing" their biological clock, and cutting sleep among other things. | ||
ren0312
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On December 24 2014 23:04 JPie90 wrote: I think you raise a really good point about physical health and circadian rhythms influencing pro gamer's ability. Sleep for example, is critical for both physical and mental functions and I feel especially in professional gaming sleep is something that is regarded as expendable. But the bottom line is pro gamers want to secure results, and they are going to do whatever they believe will help them achieve that. That means 12 to 16 hour practice days, "reversing" their biological clock, and cutting sleep among other things. But in physical sports doing this produces less than optimal results, although if you are on the NA server and you are dealing with equally sleep deprived people it all evens out. | ||
SatedSC2
England3012 Posts
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
There have yet to form good esports training methodes. | ||
ren0312
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catabowl
United States815 Posts
On December 24 2014 22:53 ZenithM wrote: I myself doubt that many players practice more than 12 hours. Back in BW days, it was easy to train 10-12 hours. You only prepared for one opponent a week in PL and one Opponent in RO32 matchups in MSL/OSL. For SC2, you have to prepare for all strategies from many different players in tournaments. I assume you will see your PL warriors (Ones good at preparing for one guy) show up and do well. I remember watching Sea(Shield) play back in BW. One of the best players when given a week to prepare for an opponent but always struggled in RO 16 play when he had to prepare for 3 different opponents. | ||
Dan26
Australia239 Posts
On December 24 2014 22:53 Cloak wrote: Your brain simulates what you do in awake life while you sleep. There's a famous Tetris study http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetris_effect that goes into detail about it. Emotionally salient = important to you. You assign value to objects and concepts in your world, and they become more salient i.e. "important" to you. You ignore the pressure on your ass when you sit in a chair, but pay attention to the arbitrary black lettering on the shiny screen to construe this message. That sir, is fucking amazing stuff. Thankyou. The more you know. | ||
brickrd
United States4894 Posts
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ren0312
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On December 24 2014 23:21 brickrd wrote: the thing about starcraft is there are a lot of branching situational possibilities to account for. the best players wouldn't be the best if they didn't have an incredible database of experience from which to draw conclusions about the correct response. playing a SC game is like running an experiment, and the more experiments you run the more statistically valid your conclusions are But your brain is most efficient in the daylight hours, not at 6am at the end of a 14 hour streaming session, where you have people honestly wondering whether you are shooting meth to account for your corpse like appearance. I am sorry if people are offended but my eyes know what they are seeing. | ||
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