Ladder League Distribution Update - March 5
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Ignorant prodigy
United States385 Posts
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graNite
Germany4434 Posts
On March 16 2015 21:56 Ignorant prodigy wrote: what a nightmare blizzard has created could be easily avoided if they just gave everyone a number (read: visible mmr) and put them on a giant list from best to worst player | ||
Ignorant prodigy
United States385 Posts
but the damage at this point is done. they would have to retro-actively remove the impact of mmr decay... but that's nearly impossible i have a few friends who are the perfect example.. they are high diamond/low masters caliber players and are in gold... and the funny part is they're playing people just like themselves ..who also have gold mmr.. so getting out of gold is significantly harder than it should be...it's like running in place. its frustrating for true gold players and for the diamond players you would have to wipe it clean and start fresh. but they try to hit these 'ideal' percentages of distribution so they muck with the process and try to manipulate the ladder... but they should just let the numbers speak for themselves.. | ||
flyleaf
Germany89 Posts
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korona
1098 Posts
On March 16 2015 22:34 Ignorant prodigy wrote: but the damage at this point is done. they would have to retro-actively remove the impact of mmr decay... but that's nearly impossible Actually the solution is simple. Just reset MMRs for all. Yes it would be little chaotic at first, but then again MMRs change rapidly after a fresh start. In a month or two the ladder would likely be healthier than it is now. Also they could bring back the old MMR thresholds from summer 2013, where MMR ranges for all leagues were reasonable wide (no huge diamond league MMR range compared to others like at the moment). It would potentially need a offset / threshold check after some months/seasons as the player population is different than it was back then. Also MMRs would become a skill rating once again (At the moment people with considerable skill differences are sharing similar MMRs --> MMR is not a skill rating for many anymore). And as a result the matchmaking would become better than it is in its current state (Matchmaking system is technically fine, but it does not see difference e.g. with a master skilled player and a gold skilled player who both have similar MMRs, which leads to lackluster matchmaking results). Edit: I seem not to have read 'ignorant prodigy's message entirely as he suggested the same thing at the end of his message. | ||
WGT-Baal
France3126 Posts
The problem is: out of the almost 90games I ve played, about a third were fair, in the sense that it felt balanced. The rest were either I got totally owned by people way out of my league or I did the same to other players. Even yesterday I got placed against a guy with 19APM and no rank icon. I assume he was quite new to the game. This is ridiculous, and not fun for either him or me. I dont care whether I am in masters or bronze as long as the games are relatively even, most of the time. | ||
fethers
United States19 Posts
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BronzeKnee
United States5207 Posts
On March 17 2015 03:39 WGT-Baal wrote: I still feel like the ladder is a bit weird. I havent gotten promoted but that isnt even the issue anymore. I m platinium, about 1170pts, 56% win rate. (which, I assume, isnt so great as to warrant a promotion). The problem is: out of the almost 90games I ve played, about a third were fair, in the sense that it felt balanced. The rest were either I got totally owned by people way out of my league or I did the same to other players. Even yesterday I got placed against a guy with 19APM and no rank icon. I assume he was quite new to the game. This is ridiculous, and not fun for either him or me. I dont care whether I am in masters or bronze as long as the games are relatively even, most of the time. I think the problem is more so there isn't enough players on ladder? | ||
OsaX Nymloth
Poland3244 Posts
On March 17 2015 07:15 fethers wrote: I drew 2 bronze leaguers yesterday. Granted I'm only mid gold, but it wasn't even close to competitive. I felt like I was beating up a 1st grader. Played recently a guy with no rank. I beat him easily. Checked after game: 11 times bronze. I'm high diamond. | ||
[PkF] Wire
France24184 Posts
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Elentos
55454 Posts
On March 17 2015 03:39 WGT-Baal wrote: I still feel like the ladder is a bit weird. I havent gotten promoted but that isnt even the issue anymore. I m platinium, about 1170pts, 56% win rate. (which, I assume, isnt so great as to warrant a promotion). The problem is: out of the almost 90games I ve played, about a third were fair, in the sense that it felt balanced. The rest were either I got totally owned by people way out of my league or I did the same to other players. Even yesterday I got placed against a guy with 19APM and no rank icon. I assume he was quite new to the game. This is ridiculous, and not fun for either him or me. I dont care whether I am in masters or bronze as long as the games are relatively even, most of the time. I keep having things like these happen to me aswell. A week or so ago I played against a platinum league guy with 20 APM who didn't research warpgate and didn't expand by the 11 minute mark, the game ended seconds after. While a guy like that somehow made plat, I haven't gotten back into plat for 3 seasons in a row, despite beating high gold players and some mid platinum players. And then occasionally I get someone in silver or unranked, or someone relatively new in gold, and it's a stomp that's no fun whatsoever. It's no wonder that about 80% of my opponents don't GG even though I don't cheese <.<. Also, I wish I got promoted so that I can finally do something else than holding a baneling bust on Overgrowth against Zerg because that's all you do on that map in gold league, apparently. T_T | ||
TurboMaN
Germany925 Posts
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Yrr
Germany796 Posts
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WGT-Baal
France3126 Posts
On March 17 2015 09:01 Yrr wrote: The big steps will happen when the next season starts. I hope so, but if I get a beta key (that s a big IF though), I dont think I ll even play a single game next season. The 2v2 system is also a big mess. I played with a friend who s master, I m high plat. We were 14 times masters together. We oculdnt play this season so we had to play our 1 placement games. We ended up bronze, facing a team of 2 silver players. We were plat last season (which was already not very funny). But I can understand that there are few players in 2v2. edit: ok, im out of 1v1. Just got matched against and pwned by FXOElbegast, (who s also in plat ...) | ||
flyleaf
Germany89 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12115 Posts
On March 16 2015 22:21 graNite wrote: could be easily avoided if they just gave everyone a number (read: visible mmr) and put them on a giant list from best to worst player This would help actually a lot even if they let the old system there. because then you can send them real bugs in their match making system! Imagine you have MMR 1 200 and I have 900. Match making is supposed to match people with ranks +- 100(e.g.!!!!!!). So we being matched together is a bug, but because right now we don't know our current MMR we cannot report it as a bug, because, well, sometimes you meet people who play exactly the style that beats you as a "1st grader" (you don't know how to defend it). On March 17 2015 07:52 OsaX Nymloth wrote: Played recently a guy with no rank. I beat him easily. Checked after game: 11 times bronze. I'm high diamond. That's the problem of unranked playing You have much higher range of players you play with. I, as a diamond, played against gold - grand masters range(few golds/GMs, but good amount of games against masters/platinum players). Yay! | ||
Excalibur_Z
United States12175 Posts
On April 13 2015 18:11 flyleaf wrote: So any hope it will be back to normal with the new season tomorrow(?)? :> It's not going to be a miracle fix, but it does provide the groundwork for things to organically return to normal over time. | ||
flyleaf
Germany89 Posts
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ApBuLLet
United States604 Posts
I still get some good games though because it seems like many people are in the same situation, but about 40% of my games I feel like I'm playing someone who I should not be matched up with. The weird thing is I've been consistently winning 60%-70% of my games and haven't even been promoted to plat, although I do play against plat/diamond players occasionally. What would be so terrible about a complete reset with the new season? We can all do our 5 placement matches again and things will sort themselves out in a few weeks I imagine. | ||
Excalibur_Z
United States12175 Posts
On April 15 2015 12:26 ApBuLLet wrote: So I started playing again about 2 weeks ago after being in master's league throughout WoL and not really playing in HotS. I ended up in gold league which I expected because of MMR decay, but here I am 2 weeks later still in gold league. This is the first time I've seen this thread so it made me feel a little better knowing the ladder is at least partially to blame. I still get some good games though because it seems like many people are in the same situation, but about 40% of my games I feel like I'm playing someone who I should not be matched up with. The weird thing is I've been consistently winning 60%-70% of my games and haven't even been promoted to plat, although I do play against plat/diamond players occasionally. What would be so terrible about a complete reset with the new season? We can all do our 5 placement matches again and things will sort themselves out in a few weeks I imagine. That's already happening. Literally that exact thing. Play tomorrow when the season roll happens for NA (or today on EU, where the season roll is already live). | ||
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