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It's not whine or anything, it's a question I really have because I'm just that ignorant. If this is in the wrong section, please move it so I'm not cluttering what shouldn't be cluttered.
I was curious if StarCraft II could do what Brood War does with Fish and iCCup and have its own menu option upon login. This would be something very far away, but I'm absolutely loving Starbow and I have so much more faith in it than I do in LotV, but Starbow only has so many players at a given time and the matchmaking is pretty bad to say the least, but with a lack of players there's nothing to really do about it.
It would be nice to log into the SC2 client after using a third party launcher to load the Starbow gateway instead of a Blizzard one, and just log in and play, sort of like wLauncher with BW. We've already seen this done with pirated copies of SC2 to play offline with a login, but I don't know if it would be the same case with an actual server.
Can somebody with knowledge on this or maybe a Starbow guy help me out on this?
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It's completely possible to have third party sc2 servers(and they exist), but they're highly illegal.
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On June 03 2015 09:06 Dodgin wrote: It's completely possible to have third party sc2 servers(and they exist), but they're highly illegal.
Unless okay'd by blizzard.
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On June 03 2015 09:16 Rukis wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2015 09:06 Dodgin wrote: It's completely possible to have third party sc2 servers(and they exist), but they're highly illegal. Unless okay'd by blizzard.
It is illegal to rob Fort Knox, unless it is okey'd by the federal reserve.
Just go spend your time on job/study/family/sports and play a casual game once every while. Don't know why after 4 years people still think that one day SC2 will actually be fixed become fun.
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On June 03 2015 09:02 Dickbutt wrote: It's not whine or anything, it's a question I really have because I'm just that ignorant. If this is in the wrong section, please move it so I'm not cluttering what shouldn't be cluttered.
I was curious if StarCraft II could do what Brood War does with Fish and iCCup and have its own menu option upon login. This would be something very far away, but I'm absolutely loving Starbow and I have so much more faith in it than I do in LotV, but Starbow only has so many players at a given time and the matchmaking is pretty bad to say the least, but with a lack of players there's nothing to really do about it.
It would be nice to log into the SC2 client after using a third party launcher to load the Starbow gateway instead of a Blizzard one, and just log in and play, sort of like wLauncher with BW. We've already seen this done with pirated copies of SC2 to play offline with a login, but I don't know if it would be the same case with an actual server.
Can somebody with knowledge on this or maybe a Starbow guy help me out on this? To answer your question simply, yes, as long as Blizzard grants permission.
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On June 03 2015 09:19 Alcathous wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2015 09:16 Rukis wrote:On June 03 2015 09:06 Dodgin wrote: It's completely possible to have third party sc2 servers(and they exist), but they're highly illegal. Unless okay'd by blizzard. It is illegal to rob Fort Knox, unless it is okey'd by the federal reserve. Just go spend your time on job/study/family/sports and play a casual game once every while. Don't know why after 4 years people still think that one day SC2 will actually be fixed become fun.
That made no sense... Hosting a separate server with the authorization from blizzard is different from stealing from somewhere approved or not.
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On June 03 2015 09:29 Rukis wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2015 09:19 Alcathous wrote:On June 03 2015 09:16 Rukis wrote:On June 03 2015 09:06 Dodgin wrote: It's completely possible to have third party sc2 servers(and they exist), but they're highly illegal. Unless okay'd by blizzard. It is illegal to rob Fort Knox, unless it is okey'd by the federal reserve. Just go spend your time on job/study/family/sports and play a casual game once every while. Don't know why after 4 years people still think that one day SC2 will actually be fixed become fun. That made no sense... Hosting a separate server with the authorization from blizzard is different from stealing from somewhere approved or not.
Yes, it is different. That is what is called an analogy. It's different, but similar (analoguous) in some key aspect
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On June 03 2015 09:52 neptunusfisk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2015 09:29 Rukis wrote:On June 03 2015 09:19 Alcathous wrote:On June 03 2015 09:16 Rukis wrote:On June 03 2015 09:06 Dodgin wrote: It's completely possible to have third party sc2 servers(and they exist), but they're highly illegal. Unless okay'd by blizzard. It is illegal to rob Fort Knox, unless it is okey'd by the federal reserve. Just go spend your time on job/study/family/sports and play a casual game once every while. Don't know why after 4 years people still think that one day SC2 will actually be fixed become fun. That made no sense... Hosting a separate server with the authorization from blizzard is different from stealing from somewhere approved or not. Yes, it is different. That is what is called an analogy. It's different, but similar (analoguous) in some key aspect
the correlation between the two have no meaning. It is a fallacy.
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On June 03 2015 11:00 Rukis wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2015 09:52 neptunusfisk wrote:On June 03 2015 09:29 Rukis wrote:On June 03 2015 09:19 Alcathous wrote:On June 03 2015 09:16 Rukis wrote:On June 03 2015 09:06 Dodgin wrote: It's completely possible to have third party sc2 servers(and they exist), but they're highly illegal. Unless okay'd by blizzard. It is illegal to rob Fort Knox, unless it is okey'd by the federal reserve. Just go spend your time on job/study/family/sports and play a casual game once every while. Don't know why after 4 years people still think that one day SC2 will actually be fixed become fun. That made no sense... Hosting a separate server with the authorization from blizzard is different from stealing from somewhere approved or not. Yes, it is different. That is what is called an analogy. It's different, but similar (analoguous) in some key aspect the correlation between the two have no meaning. It is a fallacy. It's not that hard mate, he's saying that blizzard will never approve the server, in the same way the federal reserve will never approve of robbing fort knox
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On June 03 2015 09:16 Rukis wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2015 09:06 Dodgin wrote: It's completely possible to have third party sc2 servers(and they exist), but they're highly illegal. Unless okay'd by blizzard. If you think that there is above 0% chance of this ever happening, then you clearly do not know blizzard.
Anyway @OP. The best thing to do is to make the starbow matchmaking client better. Im not an expert or anything, but maybe there could be some automatic macros that start a starbow game after the client finds your opponent or something.
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Wont ever happen, for the same reasons private servers for WoW Vanilla and stuff aren't legal.
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Pretty sure that's not going to happen. the playerbase will grow if the game is good enough
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I guess the best precedence for this is dota, that started out as a custom map for war3 as I understand.
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On June 03 2015 15:01 Cascade wrote: I guess the best precedence for this is dota, that started out as a custom map for war3 as I understand. Yes exactly. Not sure about other places but garena was the big place to go to join a match and it was a mess.
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Yeah because Blizzard will do this like they did with vanilla server for WoW /sarcasm. Blizzard has absolutely nothing to gain from this nor the game is remotely popular enough for them to profit from it.
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Expect it to happen around the time that they announce SC3, and they feel comfortable opening up their old IP a bit more. Of course, if they've learned their lesson, SC3 will be a bit too similar to Starbow for Starbow to maintain much of its audience past SC3 release.
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I've already spoken with Blizzard about this (kinda). I had a meeting with them about 1+ ago when we were working on the first Eros ladder client, since even external ladder clients are not OK according to the EULA (end users licence agreement).
We were given the OK because our ladder service would not be competing directly with the built in ladder in SC2, since our game is on the arcade and different from SC2.
However, adding a server like EU and NA to SC2 is highly against the EULA as it would require messing with the game code itself and would be considered hacking. BW was not protected the same way in its EULA and blizzard did not want that to happen again I guess.
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On June 03 2015 15:57 Xiphias wrote: I've already spoken with Blizzard about this (kinda). I had a meeting with them about 1+ ago when we were working on the first Eros ladder client, since even external ladder clients are not OK according to the EULA (end users licence agreement).
We were given the OK because our ladder service would not be competing directly with the built in ladder in SC2, since our game is on the arcade and different from SC2.
However, adding a server like EU and NA to SC2 is highly against the EULA as it would require messing with the game code itself and would be considered hacking. BW was not protected the same way in its EULA and blizzard did not want that to happen again I guess. Sometimes when I play Starbow I wish SC2 servers would fall apart and everybody would move to something like Starbow. Based on what we've seen with Fish and iCCup a few people in a basement are better at stopping cheaters and balancing a game than a multi-billion dollar industry is.
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On June 03 2015 16:31 Dickbutt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2015 15:57 Xiphias wrote: I've already spoken with Blizzard about this (kinda). I had a meeting with them about 1+ ago when we were working on the first Eros ladder client, since even external ladder clients are not OK according to the EULA (end users licence agreement).
We were given the OK because our ladder service would not be competing directly with the built in ladder in SC2, since our game is on the arcade and different from SC2.
However, adding a server like EU and NA to SC2 is highly against the EULA as it would require messing with the game code itself and would be considered hacking. BW was not protected the same way in its EULA and blizzard did not want that to happen again I guess. Sometimes when I play Starbow I wish SC2 servers would fall apart and everybody would move to something like Starbow. Based on what we've seen with Fish and iCCup a few people in a basement are better at stopping cheaters and balancing a game than a multi-billion dollar industry is. lol, really?
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you're out of your mind if you think blizzard will let starbow potentially cannibalize LOTV sales by having its own client.. i for one firmly believe that if starbow had its own ladder and private server support, it would completely destroy sc2. blizzard wont allow this because A pride and B (more importantly) they would rather have the 5000 units sold of LOTV than have a superior RTS for all.just lol at blizzard saying that they don't think starbow directly competes with sc2.
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