Flash Retires
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Iksf
United Kingdom444 Posts
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TaKeTV
Germany1189 Posts
All: 457-180 (71.74%) | vT: 162-59 (73.30%) | vZ: 157-61 (72.02%) | vP: 138-60 (69.70%) | Ultimate weapon. | ||
Quateras
Germany867 Posts
Hope he'll be happy in whatever he choses to do next. | ||
Foxxan
Sweden3427 Posts
On December 07 2015 21:31 Iksf wrote: Cmon kespa, give us something for this. Rent out a venue and have a bo9 between flash and JD alternating between BW and SC2 or something. This would be fantastic, absolutely fantastic if a new RTS comes within that timeline that is a awesome one. | ||
Poopi
France12466 Posts
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keit
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jonich0n
United States1982 Posts
On December 07 2015 22:44 Quateras wrote: Gonna miss watching Flash so much, no other player gave me that nailbiting cheering.Be in in Proleague, IEM or that sick ass Homestory cup finals vs Parting. Hope he'll be happy in whatever he choses to do next. Ah yes, that HSC finals vs Parting. Another nice memory and epic series, even though Flash eventually succumbed in that ever-so-close Game 7 and 3-4 loss. I see a couple Flash haters coming in here to say "he wasn't that good" and the "hype was annoying" in SC2. Well no shit? If you were never a fan of his in BW, and you don't particularly root for Terran players in SC2 or are a big KT fan, there isn't all that much reason to be a specific fan of his in SC2. But fact is, he won an incredible amount of fans for both his truly incredible BW play and his fierce yet humble character since his rise in [what was it exactly?] 2008. And on through his unparalleled dominance in 2010 on then onwards which had to inspire every Terran player and many fans. The hype shouldn't be surprising... it's there for a reason. And if SC3 came out in a few months, and a player like Life switched over a bit late you'd see the exact same kind of "overhype" and talk. But anyway, back to Flash... So then he transferred to a new game, a bit late on unfortunately, and sure, too many people would talk too highly about him expecting him soon to "own everyone" and dominate as he did in '10. Which was stupid, but in a way I thought it was mostly light-hearted (the "God is back" jokes etc). Many of us, with the demise of BW, were just happy to see him playing again and giving SC2 a real go. And despite solid runs, and flashes of brilliance, he never reached the heights probably too many people "expected" from him after all the hype and all that. And it became something of a running joke... and eventually I think to him personally a massive burden on his shoulders especially in individual leagues. Personally I see no shame in being something like a consistent Top 15 - Top 30 player in such a competitive scene. Real question, how many more Terrans have been significantly more impressive than Flash from 2013-2015 that were not named like Innovation or Maru (or Taeja I guess)? Consistently? Serious question. Considering overall body of work. Not that many that truly stood out from the pack IMO. Only players like Dream in spurts who would eventually recess again. Thing is when you become a true massive a fan of a person, an idea, [a "playstyle"], you hope to see it continue as long as possible... unfortunately Flash proved to be past his peak and a few too many strong BW players who were unable to quite make it in the previous iteration, had picked up SC2 faster and it suited them and their individual skillsets more, and achieved significantly more success in this new game. Who knew sOs would turn out to be such a revelation. And players like herO[join], who smartly switched from BW Zerg to SC2 Protoss, which helped them along with their success. Same with Classic, switched from BW Terran to SC2 Protoss, and look at his relative success. Had Classic stayed Terran would he have had more success in SC2 than even the "underwhelming" Flash? People can hate on the Flash hype sure, it is understandable in a way, but I would implore them to objectively see Flash for what he stood for and the competitor he is/was, and that there is surely something there to appreciate even if you only know his SC2 story. So what if the "hype" was a bit overblown? Flash had this aura for a reason, he had won it in an earlier era, and deserved it... just like players like Life will have going forward. And a slight tangent, here is another player, in Life, that I can argue is a bit over-hyped in a similar way, one who many seem to think is basically the greatest SC2 player of all time (except way to let down KT in Proleague buddy) and his fanboys are "annoying" but what's the point? I don't quite see things the same way but that's okay. I still massively respect the little fucker for what he's accomplished in individual leagues, and get how he's an inspiration to basically all Zerg players. But at the end of the day I just want to see great Starcraft again with great rivalries and clashes of playstyles between elite players, on the biggest stages... and hope the now-weird LOTV era proves to develop into something decent. The MVP comparisons are stupid and pointless. Simply not comparable. Ultimately, we just lost a massive icon and this will hurt the game a bit in a way and is pretty sad. Even though pretty much everyone saw this coming sooner rather than later. But of course all good things come to an end eventually, it's just nice to go down memory lane and remember Flash's legacy and what he gave to the game... in both BW and SC2. Sorry got a bit rambly there, but fuck, it's weird coming to terms seeing such a great competitor like Flash that I personally adored being gone from the game forever. Plenty of other amazing players to follow with great stories as well going forward, it's just Flash's has been extra special to me personally . As I'm sure it has been with quite a few others. | ||
lastride
2390 Posts
On December 08 2015 05:30 jonich0n wrote: wow what a great post. Im still in the face of denial so im just a bit mad Flash decided to give up at such a young age when every other succesful bw pro went over 26 years old. Boxer Nada Stork Reach etc.. and they had the same punishing schedules. Ayways i know that Flah doesnt owe us anything but still he had at least 2 more good years and since his army duty is in 3 years i cant understnad why he didnt give lotv a shot. Ah yes, that HSC finals vs Parting. Another nice memory and epic series, even though Flash eventually succumbed in that ever-so-close Game 7 and 3-4 loss. I see a couple Flash haters coming in here to say "he wasn't that good" and the "hype was annoying" in SC2. Well no shit? If you were never a fan of his in BW, and you don't particularly root for Terran players in SC2 or are a big KT fan, there isn't all that much reason to be a specific fan of his in SC2. But fact is, he won an incredible amount of fans for both his truly incredible BW play and his fierce yet humble character since his rise in [what was it exactly?] 2008. And on through his unparalleled dominance in 2010 on then onwards which had to inspire every Terran player and many fans. The hype shouldn't be surprising... it's there for a reason. And if SC3 came out in a few months, and a player like Life switched over a bit late you'd see the exact same kind of "overhype" and talk. But anyway, back to Flash... So then he transferred to a new game, a bit late on unfortunately, and sure, too many people would talk too highly about him expecting him soon to "own everyone" and dominate as he did in '10. Which was stupid, but in a way I thought it was mostly light-hearted (the "God is back" jokes etc). Many of us, with the demise of BW, were just happy to see him playing again and giving SC2 a real go. And despite solid runs, and flashes of brilliance, he never reached the heights probably too many people "expected" from him after all the hype and all that. And it became something of a running joke... and eventually I think to him personally a massive burden on his shoulders especially in individual leagues. Personally I see no shame in being something like a consistent Top 15 - Top 30 player in such a competitive scene. Real question, how many more Terrans have been significantly more impressive than Flash from 2013-2015 that were not named like Innovation or Maru (or Taeja I guess)? Consistently? Serious question. Considering overall body of work. Not that many that truly stood out from the pack IMO. Only players like Dream in spurts who would eventually recess again. Thing is when you become a true massive a fan of a person, an idea, [a "playstyle"], you hope to see it continue as long as possible... unfortunately Flash proved to be past his peak and a few too many strong BW players who were unable to quite make it in the previous iteration, had picked up SC2 faster and it suited them and their individual skillsets more, and achieved significantly more success in this new game. Who knew sOs would turn out to be such a revelation. And players like herO[join], who smartly switched from BW Zerg to SC2 Protoss, which helped them along with their success. Same with Classic, switched from BW Terran to SC2 Protoss, and look at his relative success. Had Classic stayed Terran would he have had more success in SC2 than even the "underwhelming" Flash? People can hate on the Flash hype sure, it is understandable in a way, but I would implore them to objectively see Flash for what he stood for and the competitor he is/was, and that there is surely something there to appreciate even if you only know his SC2 story. So what if the "hype" was a bit overblown? Flash had this aura for a reason, he had won it in an earlier era, and deserved it... just like players like Life will have going forward. And a slight tangent, here is another player, in Life, that I can argue is a bit over-hyped in a similar way, one who many seem to think is basically the greatest SC2 player of all time (except way to let down KT in Proleague buddy) and his fanboys are "annoying" but what's the point? I don't quite see things the same way but that's okay. I still massively respect the little fucker for what he's accomplished in individual leagues, and get how he's an inspiration to basically all Zerg players. But at the end of the day I just want to see great Starcraft again with great rivalries and clashes of playstyles between elite players, on the biggest stages... and hope the now-weird LOTV era proves to develop into something decent. The MVP comparisons are stupid and pointless. Simply not comparable. Ultimately, we just lost a massive icon and this will hurt the game a bit in a way and is pretty sad. Even though pretty much everyone saw this coming sooner rather than later. But of course all good things come to an end eventually, it's just nice to go down memory lane and remember Flash's legacy and what he gave to the game... in both BW and SC2. Sorry got a bit rambly there, but fuck, it's weird coming to terms seeing such a great competitor like Flash that I personally adored being gone from the game forever. Plenty of other amazing players to follow with great stories as well going forward, it's just Flash's has been extra special to me personally . As I'm sure it has been with quite a few others. | ||
prech
United States2948 Posts
If Google Translate serves correctly, something about no plans for the immediate future, with regards to Afreeca and BW http://www.inven.co.kr/webzine/news/?news=147949 (alternately link) | ||
Phredxor
New Zealand15075 Posts
On December 09 2015 14:09 prech wrote: Looks like Flash participated in a pretty extensive interview yesterday, any Korean speakers mind translating some tidbits? If Google Translate serves correctly, something about no plans for the immediate future, with regards to Afreeca and BW http://www.inven.co.kr/webzine/news/?news=147949 (alternately link) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/499748-the-final-tale-of-the-ultimate-weapon Someone posted this up, might be the same one? | ||
Silvana
3713 Posts
On December 09 2015 14:41 Phredxor wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/499748-the-final-tale-of-the-ultimate-weapon Someone posted this up, might be the same one? What? I missd this interview. Thanks for bringing it up | ||
Vasoline73
United States7674 Posts
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Silvana
3713 Posts
On December 09 2015 15:45 Vasoline73 wrote: Sick trophy pic. I won't process Flash's absence until PL starts... makes me sick. My thoughts too... KT's first Proleague day is gonna be so sad | ||
prech
United States2948 Posts
On December 09 2015 14:41 Phredxor wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/499748-the-final-tale-of-the-ultimate-weapon Someone posted this up, might be the same one? Thanks, indeed it is! Did a search and the title didn't pop up | ||
Draconicfire
Canada2562 Posts
Looks like there's retirement event. I hope I can make it. | ||
rotta
5560 Posts
On December 10 2015 16:09 Draconicfire wrote: https://www.facebook.com/ktesports/posts/1010304739030143:0 Looks like there's retirement event. I hope I can make it. Sorry, this page isn't available The link you followed may be broken, or the page may have been removed. | ||
Dante08
Singapore4101 Posts
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lastride
2390 Posts
On December 09 2015 15:48 Silvana wrote: My thoughts too... KT's first Proleague day is gonna be so sad omg man I 've just thought about that too. Proleague without Flash | ||
Werk
United States294 Posts
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revy
United States1524 Posts
Nice to see someone remembers.For those who didn't follow BW, Flash was something else. I think the thing that most stood out to me was that he won all the games where he ended up with an advantage (BO advantage or won an early skirmish) and then he won the majority of games where he ended up at a disadvantage too. I'm sad that he never really picked up SC2 in quite the same way, but I think it's understandable. Flash had achieved his peak in 2009-2010. Had BW continued on for a while, I doubt he would have continued to dominate like he did. Every player has a rise and fall. Flash's fall was hastened by the switch to SC2. I always wished that Ver would do a "god of the battlefield" type final edit on Flash. I think I recall that he had been working on one, but that was so long ago; I don't imagine we'll ever get to see it. Can't argue with his 2009-2010 season results (seasons started in September/October and ended in August/September with ~1-1.5 months off inbetween). quoting from an old thread: On September 11 2010 08:12 revy wrote: From October 1 2009 until today. Record: 140-41 (77.35%) TvT 49-14 (77.78%) TvP 37-8 (82.22%) TvZ 54-19 (73.97%) Individual Titles: 4 Gold 2 Silver Team league Titles: PL Finals Gold WL Finals Gold ELO Record 2443 Kespa Record 4292.5 Best. Year. Ever. An Interesting aside.... Jaedong noticeably effected Flash's overall win pct and vZ win pct. Since October 2009 Flash has been 14-8 with JD. Removing these games from the pool Flash was... Record: 126-33 (79.25%) (+1.9%) TvZ 40-11 (78.43%) (+4.46%) | ||
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