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Do you know, what would be great? To let them play some rounds of Proleague in other countries ... one season of Proleague circus in Europe ...
They would all fly to Europe for the two months, rent a huge bus, for all the teams and support stuff and go in it each week to another country, live there in hotel, and play the one round there. Next week they would travel with the bus to another country, stay there and play another round ...
That would be something much better to raise fan support for SC2 than banning Koreans from tournaments!
By the way: if there is not a single global event before BlizzCon, could the smart person, who designed and approved the system, where any organizer of a global event must have a prize pool of at least 50k, by which they actually cancelled the interest of any such organizer ... could that person be fired, please?
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HOLY SHIT YES!!!!!!!! I'M GONNA BE BACK IN SHANGHAI BY JULY 19TH SO I CAN GO WATCH IT I AM SO EXCITED!!!!!!!!1 (PS sorry for caps)
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This is a cool idea, especially, if as someone noted above, that there will be an analysis desk of the Proleague games. Be good to see JinAir take another Round finals. It will hopefully also help stimulate an already growing Chinese scene (thanks to GPL). It is a fantastic idea and we should praise it for what it is.
However, on a somewhat tangential note, the way the "upper echelons" connected with IEM and Blizzard have acted towards the community, in its general call for global events, and more Korean inclusiveness has been disappointing to say the least. Treating our complaints like noise, not worth bothering to reply to effectively.
It will be interesting to see player list of Shanghai, I don't believe qualifiers for most regions have been done yet. The finals of the Spring Circuit (Nerchio vs. Showtime) were pretty entertaining, and if we got a finals like that again it would be great. However I do believe that most of the audience wants to see whether Nerchio, Showtime, Neeb, Harstem (assuming they all qualify) and other really good foreign players have the capability to beat Code S Koreans. Contrary to popular belief, I don't think an audience wants to see a Round of 16 Korean players, rather we want to see foreigners vs. Koreans, but in a way that it feels meaningful to have those contests.
If we had a narrative of those players actually beating Code S koreans on the "road to Blizzcon" then the storylines of Blizzcon would be so much more epic, and meaningful and would take their place in the history of Starcraft 2. Unfortuntaly as it stands we'll get Polt, and 7 WCS Circuit players* having not tested their mettle against Zest, Dark and whom else qualifies through Code S and SSL and seeindg^; and I suspect we may see 3-0's all over the place.
*Based on current standings Polt, Showtime, Nerchio, Violet, Hydra, Neeb, Elazer and Snute would qualify
^Based on current standings Dark, Zest, Stats, TY, Solar, Patience, Cure and Dear would qualify.
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On July 01 2016 04:40 Silvana wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2016 04:33 sweffymo wrote:On July 01 2016 04:22 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Damn I saw Apollos announcement of an announcement last night and thought for sure we were finally getting a Global Event. This is really disappointing. A match that was going to happen anyway is just taking place at IEM, but they still won't be allowed to play in the actual tournament. And then he posted on Reddit saying something to the effect of "How DARE you be disappointed by our worthless announcement? You must not appreciate us or the work we do at all." I've seen him more than once go on a thread and pick someone's shitty comment, but then he never addresses the well written critics or the ones that reply calling him out or asking relevant questions. What a stupid attitude. That sounds just like TB, maybe it's a British thing?
Anyway, this is nice for Chinese fans at least. Hopefully there will be a show team match as an extra for people who can't attend the event
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"Hey I got a great idea. Let's fly the KeSPA Koreans out to our Welfare Circus Series event to play the only thing they can play in and watch the tournament we banned them from so foreigners could get free moniez"
Fuck IEM and fuck anyone who thinks this is a good idea
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On July 01 2016 09:04 Phil0s0pher wrote: However, on a somewhat tangential note, the way the "upper echelons" connected with IEM and Blizzard have acted towards the community, in its general call for global events, and more Korean inclusiveness has been disappointing to say the least. Treating our complaints like noise, not worth bothering to reply to effectively. Yeah, that's what bothers me the most, ignoring the complaints or even acting arrogant towards people of different opinion. I got very disappointed in some people I used to like because of the way they treat the community when people are unhappy with the system. I can understand that you can't really criticize your employer too much but in the same time accept that not everyone will be happy with it.
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On July 01 2016 09:18 [16thSq] Kuro wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2016 09:04 Phil0s0pher wrote: However, on a somewhat tangential note, the way the "upper echelons" connected with IEM and Blizzard have acted towards the community, in its general call for global events, and more Korean inclusiveness has been disappointing to say the least. Treating our complaints like noise, not worth bothering to reply to effectively. Yeah, that's what bothers me the most, ignoring the complaints or even acting arrogant towards people of different opinion. I got very disappointed in some people I used to like because of the way they treat the community when people are unhappy with the system. I can understand that you can't really criticize your employer too much but in the same time accept that not everyone will be happy with it.
Fully agree with you two here. I'd expect said people to address my concerns and explain why they think I'm wrong, not tell me to STFU and "be grateful for what we've got".
Back to the OP, this is great for the Chinese fans. And certainly speaks wonders about how the scene is growing over there. I hope the players put a hell of a show for them!
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It's great for the Chinese audience but in the grand scheme of things, it does not change much for us viewers. Both events were going to happen anyway and we still are missing any global event when it is already July. If there is no showmatch, I would even say that it is a missed opportunity.
I don't understand the way the casters and some players publicly express their frustration and arrogance. I just don't get how one cannot understand why it is a rather very disappointing and shallow announcement for parts of the community.
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On July 01 2016 07:55 Diabolique wrote: Do you know, what would be great? To let them play some rounds of Proleague in other countries ... one season of Proleague circus in Europe ...
They would all fly to Europe for the two months, rent a huge bus, for all the teams and support stuff and go in it each week to another country, live there in hotel, and play the one round there. Next week they would travel with the bus to another country, stay there and play another round ...
That would be something much better to raise fan support for SC2 than banning Koreans from tournaments!
By the way: if there is not a single global event before BlizzCon, could the smart person, who designed and approved the system, where any organizer of a global event must have a prize pool of at least 50k, by which they actually cancelled the interest of any such organizer ... could that person be fired, please? Uh, what about players who have GSL/SSL? They can't just fly back and forth, you know. I agree the idea sounds kinda cool but with Korean leagues going on at the same time as Proleague it seems impossible.
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On July 01 2016 00:26 FireCake wrote: I don't understand why people are excited about this. It is not a global event, they are playing the final of proleague in the same location as a foreign event...
For me, this is very rude for Korean players and korean viewers Korean players are flying to IEM but they can't play in the tournament Korean viewers won't be able to attend the final of proleague (I don't know how Visa work there but usually it takes a long time to be able to go to china so I think there will be 0 korean viewers there) It's just the round finals not grand finals (and i'll be in shanghai on the 31st) but yea I agree X_X
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But I leave Shanghai on the 31st.....
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On July 01 2016 20:48 nvaish4 wrote: But I leave Shanghai on the 31st.....
Now that's an anti-timing if I've ever seen one.
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On July 01 2016 18:02 Scarlett` wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2016 00:26 FireCake wrote: I don't understand why people are excited about this. It is not a global event, they are playing the final of proleague in the same location as a foreign event...
For me, this is very rude for Korean players and korean viewers Korean players are flying to IEM but they can't play in the tournament Korean viewers won't be able to attend the final of proleague (I don't know how Visa work there but usually it takes a long time to be able to go to china so I think there will be 0 korean viewers there) It's just the round finals not grand finals (and i'll be in shanghai on the 31st) but yea I agree X_X Wait really? It's the all-kill finals? Huh... Why would they fly out all the way to IEM Shanghai just for the Round 3 finals? -.-;;
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On July 02 2016 00:33 Seeker wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2016 18:02 Scarlett` wrote:On July 01 2016 00:26 FireCake wrote: I don't understand why people are excited about this. It is not a global event, they are playing the final of proleague in the same location as a foreign event...
For me, this is very rude for Korean players and korean viewers Korean players are flying to IEM but they can't play in the tournament Korean viewers won't be able to attend the final of proleague (I don't know how Visa work there but usually it takes a long time to be able to go to china so I think there will be 0 korean viewers there) It's just the round finals not grand finals (and i'll be in shanghai on the 31st) but yea I agree X_X Wait really? It's the all-kill finals? Huh... Why would they fly out all the way to IEM Shanghai just for the Round 3 finals? -.-;; It will be funny if it will be actually just a crushing all-kill
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On July 02 2016 00:33 Seeker wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2016 18:02 Scarlett` wrote:On July 01 2016 00:26 FireCake wrote: I don't understand why people are excited about this. It is not a global event, they are playing the final of proleague in the same location as a foreign event...
For me, this is very rude for Korean players and korean viewers Korean players are flying to IEM but they can't play in the tournament Korean viewers won't be able to attend the final of proleague (I don't know how Visa work there but usually it takes a long time to be able to go to china so I think there will be 0 korean viewers there) It's just the round finals not grand finals (and i'll be in shanghai on the 31st) but yea I agree X_X Wait really? It's the all-kill finals? Huh... Why would they fly out all the way to IEM Shanghai just for the Round 3 finals? -.-;; Just to tease us, putting foreigners and koreans in the same place then NOT having them play.
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On July 02 2016 00:33 Seeker wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2016 18:02 Scarlett` wrote:On July 01 2016 00:26 FireCake wrote: I don't understand why people are excited about this. It is not a global event, they are playing the final of proleague in the same location as a foreign event...
For me, this is very rude for Korean players and korean viewers Korean players are flying to IEM but they can't play in the tournament Korean viewers won't be able to attend the final of proleague (I don't know how Visa work there but usually it takes a long time to be able to go to china so I think there will be 0 korean viewers there) It's just the round finals not grand finals (and i'll be in shanghai on the 31st) but yea I agree X_X Wait really? It's the all-kill finals? Huh... Why would they fly out all the way to IEM Shanghai just for the Round 3 finals? -.-;; Well, the mixed it up a bit ... they wrote the "Round 3 finals" (so the all kill finals), but they called them "GRAND" :-) probably to get more attention in China. So 2 victories of sOs, 1 victory of Stats and 2 victories of Maru :-)
I do not think, they would move the real GRAND FINALS away from Korea, the fans, families and all the publicity. And here, having the round 3 finals a few weeks before the GRAND FINALS, the round 3 finals somehow lose the "greatness" ... so it is a good idea to move them to China, call them "GRAND", do some SC2 promotion, and then move back home for the real GRAND FINALS.
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On July 02 2016 00:33 Seeker wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2016 18:02 Scarlett` wrote:On July 01 2016 00:26 FireCake wrote: I don't understand why people are excited about this. It is not a global event, they are playing the final of proleague in the same location as a foreign event...
For me, this is very rude for Korean players and korean viewers Korean players are flying to IEM but they can't play in the tournament Korean viewers won't be able to attend the final of proleague (I don't know how Visa work there but usually it takes a long time to be able to go to china so I think there will be 0 korean viewers there) It's just the round finals not grand finals (and i'll be in shanghai on the 31st) but yea I agree X_X Wait really? It's the all-kill finals? Huh... Why would they fly out all the way to IEM Shanghai just for the Round 3 finals? -.-;;
So the Koreans can watch the thing they're banned from competing in up close. Duh
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On July 02 2016 09:06 showstealer1829 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2016 00:33 Seeker wrote:On July 01 2016 18:02 Scarlett` wrote:On July 01 2016 00:26 FireCake wrote: I don't understand why people are excited about this. It is not a global event, they are playing the final of proleague in the same location as a foreign event...
For me, this is very rude for Korean players and korean viewers Korean players are flying to IEM but they can't play in the tournament Korean viewers won't be able to attend the final of proleague (I don't know how Visa work there but usually it takes a long time to be able to go to china so I think there will be 0 korean viewers there) It's just the round finals not grand finals (and i'll be in shanghai on the 31st) but yea I agree X_X Wait really? It's the all-kill finals? Huh... Why would they fly out all the way to IEM Shanghai just for the Round 3 finals? -.-;; So the Koreans can watch the thing they're banned from competing in up close. Duh The kicker's gonna be when a foreigner asks a korean for a build to use in the IEM finals. Straight up comedy gold
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On July 01 2016 07:55 Diabolique wrote: Do you know, what would be great? To let them play some rounds of Proleague in other countries ... one season of Proleague circus in Europe ...
They would all fly to Europe for the two months, rent a huge bus, for all the teams and support stuff and go in it each week to another country, live there in hotel, and play the one round there. Next week they would travel with the bus to another country, stay there and play another round ...
That would be something much better to raise fan support for SC2 than banning Koreans from tournaments!
By the way: if there is not a single global event before BlizzCon, could the smart person, who designed and approved the system, where any organizer of a global event must have a prize pool of at least 50k, by which they actually cancelled the interest of any such organizer ... could that person be fired, please?
I mean it would be cool and all. But it's probably about as likely as me suddenly becoming good at SC2 and winning multiple GSL's.
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