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Am I the only one to feel like this :
Yeah, the issue isn’t that they don’t know what the problems are, it’s more about “will they have the manpower and money to solve them?”
is the most interesting piece of information in this interview? I mean it's completely obvious that blizzard has the money to solve and patch starcraft issues, so if they understand them and have the money, why aren't they doing it ? It shows how blizz is choosing not to patch and solve SC2's issues because of commerical/investment choices, while managing the community's expectation with balance band-aidy patches, community feedback updates and community summits.
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On July 18 2016 23:06 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2016 22:46 a_flayer wrote:On July 18 2016 22:40 Poopi wrote: I dunno, watching 8 foreigners vs 8 koreans at Blizzcon will be way more hype than watching koreans play in a league that used to be great in the golden age but is now kinda meh. There was so much more competition among koreans at the start that it felt way more epic than now where only 2-3 are good. I mean, I don't want to jump ahead here, but I'm fairly sure you could argue that watching 7 foreigners get trashed by koreans and one foreigner giving the particularly jet-lagged and sick-from-lack-of-kimchi-korean a bit of a struggle to get his win isn't very hype at all. You realize that this won't happen? The more likely thing is that two or three koreans will get upset. Maybe even more.
and this is all based on assumptions. like really.
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Interesting interview. Thanks for posting this, Mr. Waxangel.
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On July 18 2016 09:04 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2016 01:35 Kaizor wrote:On July 18 2016 01:32 imre wrote:On July 18 2016 01:25 LukeSC2 wrote: Interesting that Harstem feels he's not as good of a player as he was in 2014. In general I think it's unlikely for any player to have dropped in skill over two years of practice, unless he means his skill relative to the competition. If your practice environment is worse than it was before you are definitely going to have a lesser skill. Still impressive play from Harstem at HSC, and quite a nice interview. Actually i feel differently. I have seen Harstem play in 2014 and 2016 and in my eyes, he seemed to have improved. Better consistency and decision making. Overall i think he has a better mentality as well. For sure. Foreigners got a ton better. I think Harstem's right in some ways though. 2014 was probably the biggest skill increase for foreigners. Afterwards only a few koreans were left to become the people to beat. So foreigners were able to crack down and focus on beating those people. Then it pretty much became a near level playing field as it is now. Foreigners are pretty similar to Koreans now but it's absolutey all about the teamhouses. what you say only makes me mad because i want it to be true, but you are wayyyyyyyyyy off. they are just in situations where they can look better.
even studying replays from DH which i usually do was super hard because of all the mistakes made in the 'amazing/best' games
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Great interview and many thanks for this.
One point though - the foreign scene doesn't seem to have a consolidated league, which I guess because of geographic issues may not happen any time soon, but having a league makes it easier to churn out skill and players.
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I am expecting a poll come blizzcon of how many foreigners will advance through the first round against korean opponents. Not knowing who they will be or waht the mu are, I'd still say I'll be impressed if 1/2 manage it and consider Blizzards new WCS model a great success if 2/3 do it.
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Again how blizzard kills its game, and the interest in the tournaments. We are very far from the fun from MLG with Koreans winning everything ..
It's a shame that noob players win a lot of money and go to blizzcon, while sick guys have nothing.
So so ridiculous. But GG Harstem anyway, to be honest and humble.
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Solar opinion on dreamhack with foreigner players: ''when i come here for dreamhack i am very confident because there's not many good players". I think the 8 Korean players who get to go to Blizzcon will be happy to get easy games to RO8. And we sure will get to watch more games like Life vs Lilbow. Great system.
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“I make more adepts, but I’m worse.”
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On July 19 2016 21:13 AaGaM wrote: Solar opinion on dreamhack with foreigner players: ''when i come here for dreamhack i am very confident because there's not many good players".
Have you not heard? the new system has made foreigners FAR better. Nerchio is probably the best zerg in the world right now and Neeb is on the level of herO, Classic, Dear. Solar's opinion is outdated.
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On July 19 2016 14:32 nath wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2016 09:04 MoosyDoosy wrote:On July 18 2016 01:35 Kaizor wrote:On July 18 2016 01:32 imre wrote:On July 18 2016 01:25 LukeSC2 wrote: Interesting that Harstem feels he's not as good of a player as he was in 2014. In general I think it's unlikely for any player to have dropped in skill over two years of practice, unless he means his skill relative to the competition. If your practice environment is worse than it was before you are definitely going to have a lesser skill. Still impressive play from Harstem at HSC, and quite a nice interview. Actually i feel differently. I have seen Harstem play in 2014 and 2016 and in my eyes, he seemed to have improved. Better consistency and decision making. Overall i think he has a better mentality as well. For sure. Foreigners got a ton better. I think Harstem's right in some ways though. 2014 was probably the biggest skill increase for foreigners. Afterwards only a few koreans were left to become the people to beat. So foreigners were able to crack down and focus on beating those people. Then it pretty much became a near level playing field as it is now. Foreigners are pretty similar to Koreans now but it's absolutey all about the teamhouses. what you say only makes me mad because i want it to be true, but you are wayyyyyyyyyy off. they are just in situations where they can look better. even studying replays from DH which i usually do was super hard because of all the mistakes made in the 'amazing/best' games
You'd also find lots of mistakes in Korean replays. Heck, even in just VODS of Korean games you can find lots of mistakes.
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Many foreigners were really waiting for the current WCS system (without koreans). But Harstem complains that his skill currently is not growing. This sounds so stupid.
The only feeling I have about his thoughts in this article is.. FACEPALM. Some people are just never satisfied.
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On July 19 2016 22:29 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2016 21:13 AaGaM wrote: Solar opinion on dreamhack with foreigner players: ''when i come here for dreamhack i am very confident because there's not many good players".
Have you not heard? the new system has made foreigners FAR better. Nerchio is probably the best zerg in the world right now and Neeb is on the level of herO, Classic, Dear. Solar's opinion is outdated.
What?? there is literally no prove that foreigners got better at all, when bad player play vs bad player i really doubt that anyone of them will get better at the game. Playing vs the best and learning from them would make a player improve. Nerchio the best zerg in the world? what? if he won a tournament where all the good players are banned, that will not make him the best, Dark, Rouge even solar are better than him, in fact Korean zergs are having bad time vs terran and foreigners have no terran that even close to Korean terran level. Simple without global even you can't prove that foreigners got any better with this system, but they got richer ya. Players like Maru, Zest, Dark, Stats, TY and many others will not lose to foreigners that's why Blizzcon will have the lowest level of RO16 we have had in a long time.
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I thought the "have you not heard" made it obvious I was joking. but I indeed heard some people talk about nerchio being the best zerg or neeb being on the same level as classic, herO etc...
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On July 20 2016 10:57 AaGaM wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2016 22:29 Charoisaur wrote:On July 19 2016 21:13 AaGaM wrote: Solar opinion on dreamhack with foreigner players: ''when i come here for dreamhack i am very confident because there's not many good players".
Have you not heard? the new system has made foreigners FAR better. Nerchio is probably the best zerg in the world right now and Neeb is on the level of herO, Classic, Dear. Solar's opinion is outdated. What?? there is literally no prove that foreigners got better at all, when bad player play vs bad player i really doubt that anyone of them will get better at the game. Playing vs the best and learning from them would make a player improve. Nerchio the best zerg in the world? what? if he won a tournament where all the good players are banned, that will not make him the best, Dark, Rouge even solar are better than him, in fact Korean zergs are having bad time vs terran and foreigners have no terran that even close to Korean terran level. Simple without global even you can't prove that foreigners got any better with this system, but they got richer ya. Players like Maru, Zest, Dark, Stats, TY and many others will not lose to foreigners that's why Blizzcon will have the lowest level of RO16 we have had in a long time.
Close one; it nearly hit you. Went just over your head.
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I'm honestly shocked that Harstem has won anything. He's a perennial also-ran and doesn't really have anything that makes his play special....except that he plays decently every once in a while, and when the other foreigners are not playing great he can squeak through with a win. He wouldn't even last one round in Code A, even playing his best. Plus he's fucking ugly and awkward as hell.
So sad we don't have more charismatic foreigners to represent the game.
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On July 19 2016 17:28 beefITek wrote: Again how blizzard kills its game, and the interest in the tournaments. We are very far from the fun from MLG with Koreans winning everything ..
It's a shame that noob players win a lot of money and go to blizzcon, while sick guys have nothing.
So so ridiculous. But GG Harstem anyway, to be honest and humble.
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Fuck Teamliquid for warning this post....God forbid someone fucking speak their opinion. These mods are so god damn stupid.
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Maybe if he added the word "relatively" in front of noob it would have been better, but yeah I don't see the need for the warning. He is essentially echoing Harstem himself, heh.
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Good warnings. They didn't read the 10 commandment post you're supposed to read when you sign up.
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