I'm confused as to why this is suddenly apart of this discussion
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Zambrah
United States6829 Posts
I'm confused as to why this is suddenly apart of this discussion | ||
Phredxor
New Zealand15071 Posts
On September 12 2016 11:23 RCCar wrote: And historically, skill was the deciding factor in who got to earn big money in sports. This is new shit and it aggravates me that only 6 months or so of the region lock got people, even progamers, forgetting how dominant Koreans were, and thinking they are actually Korean status or something now. I was initially just going to shut up and wait for Blizzcon, but its way too far away and I always need to prove a point on the interwebs. KeSPA cup ain't far away. That'll be a start. | ||
OrangeGarage
Korea (South)319 Posts
On September 12 2016 11:24 Zambrah wrote: Wasn't the very foundation of the argument that we're having that Koreans ARE better than Foreigners? I'm confused as to why this is suddenly apart of this discussion As I said, I wasn't talking to you after the initial quote. I'm sorry if you're confused. I'm just quoting you because you represent one side(Foreigners will never overcome Koreans because infrastructure) of the foreign fans. | ||
Charoisaur
Germany15567 Posts
On September 12 2016 11:14 FrkFrJss wrote: Can you say that with absolute certainty? That all Koreans practice more than all foreigners? I don't know the exact practice schedules but from what I hear from foreigners they seem to lack dedication. A ton of foreigners quit due to a "lack of motivation" then we have things like lilbow not practicing for blizzcon, marinelord admitting he played more overwatch then sc2, nerchio not playing as much during HotS because he "didn't enjoy the game as much", scarlett also took a long break from sc2. Of course there are also super-hardworking guys like snute but snute seems to be more the exception amongst foreigners. I would be VERY surprised if players with such an attitude practiced on average as much as koreans. (This is not meant as an insult, they still have probably a better attitude than most people, just compared to the koreans their attitude is lacking) | ||
Parrek
United States893 Posts
On September 12 2016 10:38 RCCar wrote: Deleted quote bc I don't know what kind of college neeb goes to and thus it might not be super commitment. Nevertheless, Neeb's skill level is apparent. "We don't see these type of players quite often." Exactly my point. And those are the players who win tourneys. Not welfare bred players who whine about "we deserve a chance too" Idk if Major, Whinebow, uThermal are TL players btw? There was also this super fat protoss (I don't remember his name, just that he was obese. Sorry I had to make a degrading comment). He made it sound like he was gonna win everything as soon as the koreans were gone lmao. I haven't seen him even qualify for anything yet. New edit) I think his ID started with a D, and he fought with avilo or something on youtube. That's the most i remember him. I'll try to look him up. Super edit) found him. Name is desrow. Poor guy in the chain thinking Neeb is going to College. He graduated HS then put his schooling on hold to play SC2 and is in Korea practicing his heart out. | ||
OrangeGarage
Korea (South)319 Posts
On September 12 2016 12:55 Parrek wrote: Poor guy in the chain thinking Neeb is going to College. He graduated HS then put his schooling on hold to play SC2 and is in Korea practicing his heart out. #roasted #commitment | ||
FrkFrJss
Canada1205 Posts
On September 12 2016 11:38 Charoisaur wrote: I don't know the exact practice schedules but from what I hear from foreigners they seem to lack dedication. A ton of foreigners quit due to a "lack of motivation" then we have things like lilbow not practicing for blizzcon, marinelord admitting he played more overwatch then sc2, nerchio not playing as much during HotS because he "didn't enjoy the game as much", scarlett also took a long break from sc2. Of course there are also super-hardworking guys like snute but snute seems to be more the exception amongst foreigners. I would be VERY surprised if players with such an attitude practiced on average as much as koreans. (This is not meant as an insult, they still have probably a better attitude than most people, just compared to the koreans their attitude is lacking) For sure, I'll agree with you on that part. I would say on average foreigners work not as hard as Koreans. But again, for those who worked and continue to work very hard, I think infrastructure (along with money) plays a big part. Snute's worked ridiculously hard, and he hasn't broken in the top levels of Korean tournaments. And the thing is, we've seen that players who may not have worked as hard (I don't know how hard Naniwa worked) like Stephano who have been able to reach high levels. I think that hard work (not just grinding out games but also studying replays and the like) is a very important part, but I think outside influence is still very important. It's like an athlete who wants to go pro. Attitude and commitment is huge, but you also need a lot of other things like physio, nutrition, and coaching to really be the best. (Not to mention money) | ||
Thouhastmail
Korea (North)876 Posts
They analyse every second of games by watching'em over and over and over again, finding opponent's habitual mistakes and tendencies. Then they make and offer counter builds to their players, while scouting North Korea`s actions. And this makes Byun so special; I believe one day non-Koreans will achieve this as well. | ||
Die4Ever
United States17415 Posts
On September 12 2016 15:17 Thouhastmail wrote: while scouting North Korea`s actions. wat? | ||
Phredxor
New Zealand15071 Posts
I think he's just trying to get across how much coaches do. | ||
Argonauta
Spain4685 Posts
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nanaoei
3358 Posts
i often see people underestimating what thouhastmail has mentioned even if it's only a cursory or outsider look on what's happening. that's looking at every second and comparing their frame of mind to others, including yourself. that's where copying something and making it better or viable comes from. if you have a coach and the mentality of a player like this, improvement only comes as part of time. compared to players who don't have it, it is like being light years ahead. | ||
Itachithegoat
United States4 Posts
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onlystar
United States971 Posts
uThermal: ''It’s pretty important that you build results to be better. It’s kind of hard to explain that part, but if you’re stuck in the Ro32 because of the Koreans, you can’t grow to become a better player'' wow cmon this is like the attitude of a spoiled toddler im sorry to say so but its true.. ''the game is too hard my opponents are too good its not fair..'' ANY competitive Korean starcraft gamer knows to become the best you have to play the best how did they become so good? Koreans will play with opponents who beat them continuously until the winning ratio shifts into their favor and than move on to a tougher opponent. Jaedong is a great example for this he started practicing on fish server a few months ago when a lose happened he INSTANDLY asked for ''re?'' everytime he lost.. until he manage to get winning streak like against ZerO after a 4games winning streak vs ZerO Jaedong stops asking for '''re?'' he moves on to find a tougher opponent to practice with. | ||
onlystar
United States971 Posts
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
On November 17 2016 07:21 onlystar wrote: wow cmon this is like the attitude of a spoiled toddler im sorry to say so but its true.. ''the game is too hard my opponents are too good its not fair..'' ANY competitive Korean starcraft gamer knows to become the best you have to play the best how did they become so good? Koreans will play with opponents who beat them continuously until the winning ratio shifts into their favor and than move on to a tougher opponent. Jaedong is a great example for this he started practicing on fish server a few months ago when a lose happened he INSTANDLY asked for ''re?'' everytime he lost.. until he manage to get winning streak like against ZerO after a 4games winning streak vs ZerO Jaedong stops asking for '''re?'' he moves on to find a tougher opponent to practice with. I believe his point was that they don't "re". They show up, collect the purse, then leave. | ||
onlystar
United States971 Posts
I believe his point was that they don't "re". They show up, collect the purse, then leave its a tournament what does he expect!!?? growup.. what he needs to do is practice with better opponents.. is my point. | ||
xTJx
Brazil419 Posts
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
On November 17 2016 10:50 onlystar wrote: its a tournament what does he expect!!?? growup.. what he needs to do is practice with better opponents.. is my point. He expects that he will be able to find employment as a starcraft player and if he doesn't then he will have to move on. Then, with no foreign scene, there are no foreign tournaments. Your comparison to Jaedong playing ladder matches isn't the same thing. | ||
onlystar
United States971 Posts
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