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On December 12 2016 19:48 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2016 19:44 Penev wrote:On December 12 2016 19:19 Elentos wrote:On December 12 2016 19:09 Penev wrote: they actually went ahead wit a 5 and a 3 player group.. :-S Well Scarlett was a last minute dropout they couldn't possibly have replaced in time and Nerchio's replacement also cancelled participation. I'm not sure how the players would have liked a last minute redo of the groups into two groups of 4. Granted this is the most hilariously incompetently organized SC2 tournament with a prize pool this big I can think of in recent times so it's possible none of that meant anything. Hmm, was it that last minute? Anyway, I understand people prepare for their opponents but a group where you have to play 4 opponents vs a group with 2 seems more unfair to me than remaking the groups. Did you get to see any of it and if so; Was it any good match-wise? I saw none of it because either games were held at bad times or streams didn't exist/work :S Scarlett not participating was announced this week and it was because she didn't get the necessary paperwork in time to get a visa for China. If she has that problem, and her participation was known for a while, well I don't think that bodes well for any non-Chinese replacements. The could've just made 2 4 player groups
Now just hope people actually get their money oh, and that wesg doesn't get plagued by similar problems
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On December 12 2016 19:55 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2016 19:48 Elentos wrote:On December 12 2016 19:44 Penev wrote:On December 12 2016 19:19 Elentos wrote:On December 12 2016 19:09 Penev wrote: they actually went ahead wit a 5 and a 3 player group.. :-S Well Scarlett was a last minute dropout they couldn't possibly have replaced in time and Nerchio's replacement also cancelled participation. I'm not sure how the players would have liked a last minute redo of the groups into two groups of 4. Granted this is the most hilariously incompetently organized SC2 tournament with a prize pool this big I can think of in recent times so it's possible none of that meant anything. Hmm, was it that last minute? Anyway, I understand people prepare for their opponents but a group where you have to play 4 opponents vs a group with 2 seems more unfair to me than remaking the groups. Did you get to see any of it and if so; Was it any good match-wise? I saw none of it because either games were held at bad times or streams didn't exist/work :S Scarlett not participating was announced this week and it was because she didn't get the necessary paperwork in time to get a visa for China. If she has that problem, and her participation was known for a while, well I don't think that bodes well for any non-Chinese replacements. The could've just made 2 4 player groups Now just hope people actually get their money oh, and that wesg doesn't get plagued by similar problems
WCA pays out, it just takes 300 days...
WCA generally reminds of IEM Katowice, just seriously worse organised. There is one venue in a city in nowhere with 7 different games (LoL, Dota 2, SC 2, Warcraft III, HS, CS:GO and Heroes?). Then they got this wired stream setup, where the mainstage got different streams then the games offstage. So everytime the organisers want to show games on the stage, not only do the players have to leave the offstage area (some sort of chinese PC bang for Warcraft III) but also the casters have to get on the stage and do a new setup. All viewers have to move the stream.
On top of this mess, there seems to be no fixed shedule. There are certain games they want to show on the big stage (like every final), but also other games like Groupstage matches between strong teams/players. Following the natural delays of alot of games (every game can drag out) and the tight shedule overall (7 games in under 1 week), there situations like this: In Warcraft the 2 championship condenders TH000 and Lyn play their groupstage Bo3. After the first mapwin of TH000, they have to stop their match. Lyn has to move from the cafe to the mainstage and play his groupstage Bo3 against Infi. delays and so happen. Then, after the match against Infi, TH000 has to come to the mainstage (it is now arround 21.00 local time, the group stage startet at 10.00), they have to continue their Bo3, arround 3 hours after TH000 first mapwin. Lyn wins 2:1 in the end.
It did not help, that WCA took more size (by picking up LoL and SC 2 and kicking out Crossfire for CS:GO) while they also want to downsize the costs.. For the individual games SC 2 and WC3, there was only 1 admin/organisator each. In WC3, the foreigners with the casters of B2W made the foreign reporter Urgi (playFFA) to the headadmin and organisator and WCA was more then glad about this. In SC II there were no foreign casters on the venue, as there noone seemed to ask WCA about it (like B2W did all the year and the last 2 years) and WCA didnt think about the need of a english caster. So the one admin/organistor (who seemed to be caster at the same time) was left all alone.
But overall, I like WCA events, not only because they give us the biggest Wc3 Events (and the regionals over the year), but also because it reminds me of old events, 10 or more years ago, times when esport did not professionalise and people did not know how to run events, but they just wanted to make something happen.
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On December 12 2016 20:42 Clonester wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2016 19:55 Penev wrote:On December 12 2016 19:48 Elentos wrote:On December 12 2016 19:44 Penev wrote:On December 12 2016 19:19 Elentos wrote:On December 12 2016 19:09 Penev wrote: they actually went ahead wit a 5 and a 3 player group.. :-S Well Scarlett was a last minute dropout they couldn't possibly have replaced in time and Nerchio's replacement also cancelled participation. I'm not sure how the players would have liked a last minute redo of the groups into two groups of 4. Granted this is the most hilariously incompetently organized SC2 tournament with a prize pool this big I can think of in recent times so it's possible none of that meant anything. Hmm, was it that last minute? Anyway, I understand people prepare for their opponents but a group where you have to play 4 opponents vs a group with 2 seems more unfair to me than remaking the groups. Did you get to see any of it and if so; Was it any good match-wise? I saw none of it because either games were held at bad times or streams didn't exist/work :S Scarlett not participating was announced this week and it was because she didn't get the necessary paperwork in time to get a visa for China. If she has that problem, and her participation was known for a while, well I don't think that bodes well for any non-Chinese replacements. The could've just made 2 4 player groups Now just hope people actually get their money oh, and that wesg doesn't get plagued by similar problems WCA pays out, it just takes 300 days... WCA generally reminds of IEM Katowice, just seriously worse organised. There is one venue in a city in nowhere with 7 different games (LoL, Dota 2, SC 2, Warcraft III, HS, CS:GO and Heroes?). Then they got this wired stream setup, where the mainstage got different streams then the games offstage. So everytime the organisers want to show games on the stage, not only do the players have to leave the offstage area (some sort of chinese PC bang for Warcraft III) but also the casters have to get on the stage and do a new setup. All viewers have to move the stream. On top of this mess, there seems to be no fixed shedule. There are certain games they want to show on the big stage (like every final), but also other games like Groupstage matches between strong teams/players. Following the natural delays of alot of games (every game can drag out) and the tight shedule overall (7 games in under 1 week), there situations like this: In Warcraft the 2 championship condenders TH000 and Lyn play their groupstage Bo3. After the first mapwin of TH000, they have to stop their match. Lyn has to move from the cafe to the mainstage and play his groupstage Bo3 against Infi. delays and so happen. Then, after the match against Infi, TH000 has to come to the mainstage (it is now arround 21.00 local time, the group stage startet at 10.00), they have to continue their Bo3, arround 3 hours after TH000 first mapwin. Lyn wins 2:1 in the end. It did not help, that WCA took more size (by picking up LoL and SC 2 and kicking out Crossfire for CS:GO) while they also want to downsize the costs.. For the individual games SC 2 and WC3, there was only 1 admin/organisator each. In WC3, the foreigners with the casters of B2W made the foreign reporter Urgi (playFFA) to the headadmin and organisator and WCA was more then glad about this. In SC II there were no foreign casters on the venue, as there noone seemed to ask WCA about it (like B2W did all the year and the last 2 years) and WCA didnt think about the need of a english caster. So the one admin/organistor (who seemed to be caster at the same time) was left all alone. But overall, I like WCA events, not only because they give us the biggest Wc3 Events (and the regionals over the year), but also because it reminds me of old events, 10 or more years ago, times when esport did not professionalise and people did not know how to run events, but they just wanted to make something happen. Hehe, yeah, that doesn't sound like an organization that would change groups if players didn't show up, poor admin.
I agree about the "unprofessionalism" btw, for the nostalgia but also because those tourneys tend to be closer to the audience (viewer). That is, if I'm actually able to watch them. Did you catch any of the games and if so, were they any good?
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On December 12 2016 21:07 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2016 20:42 Clonester wrote:On December 12 2016 19:55 Penev wrote:On December 12 2016 19:48 Elentos wrote:On December 12 2016 19:44 Penev wrote:On December 12 2016 19:19 Elentos wrote:On December 12 2016 19:09 Penev wrote: they actually went ahead wit a 5 and a 3 player group.. :-S Well Scarlett was a last minute dropout they couldn't possibly have replaced in time and Nerchio's replacement also cancelled participation. I'm not sure how the players would have liked a last minute redo of the groups into two groups of 4. Granted this is the most hilariously incompetently organized SC2 tournament with a prize pool this big I can think of in recent times so it's possible none of that meant anything. Hmm, was it that last minute? Anyway, I understand people prepare for their opponents but a group where you have to play 4 opponents vs a group with 2 seems more unfair to me than remaking the groups. Did you get to see any of it and if so; Was it any good match-wise? I saw none of it because either games were held at bad times or streams didn't exist/work :S Scarlett not participating was announced this week and it was because she didn't get the necessary paperwork in time to get a visa for China. If she has that problem, and her participation was known for a while, well I don't think that bodes well for any non-Chinese replacements. The could've just made 2 4 player groups Now just hope people actually get their money oh, and that wesg doesn't get plagued by similar problems WCA pays out, it just takes 300 days... WCA generally reminds of IEM Katowice, just seriously worse organised. There is one venue in a city in nowhere with 7 different games (LoL, Dota 2, SC 2, Warcraft III, HS, CS:GO and Heroes?). Then they got this wired stream setup, where the mainstage got different streams then the games offstage. So everytime the organisers want to show games on the stage, not only do the players have to leave the offstage area (some sort of chinese PC bang for Warcraft III) but also the casters have to get on the stage and do a new setup. All viewers have to move the stream. On top of this mess, there seems to be no fixed shedule. There are certain games they want to show on the big stage (like every final), but also other games like Groupstage matches between strong teams/players. Following the natural delays of alot of games (every game can drag out) and the tight shedule overall (7 games in under 1 week), there situations like this: In Warcraft the 2 championship condenders TH000 and Lyn play their groupstage Bo3. After the first mapwin of TH000, they have to stop their match. Lyn has to move from the cafe to the mainstage and play his groupstage Bo3 against Infi. delays and so happen. Then, after the match against Infi, TH000 has to come to the mainstage (it is now arround 21.00 local time, the group stage startet at 10.00), they have to continue their Bo3, arround 3 hours after TH000 first mapwin. Lyn wins 2:1 in the end. It did not help, that WCA took more size (by picking up LoL and SC 2 and kicking out Crossfire for CS:GO) while they also want to downsize the costs.. For the individual games SC 2 and WC3, there was only 1 admin/organisator each. In WC3, the foreigners with the casters of B2W made the foreign reporter Urgi (playFFA) to the headadmin and organisator and WCA was more then glad about this. In SC II there were no foreign casters on the venue, as there noone seemed to ask WCA about it (like B2W did all the year and the last 2 years) and WCA didnt think about the need of a english caster. So the one admin/organistor (who seemed to be caster at the same time) was left all alone. But overall, I like WCA events, not only because they give us the biggest Wc3 Events (and the regionals over the year), but also because it reminds me of old events, 10 or more years ago, times when esport did not professionalise and people did not know how to run events, but they just wanted to make something happen. Hehe, yeah, that doesn't sound like an organization that would change groups if players didn't show up, poor admin. I agree about the "unprofessionalism" btw, for the nostalgia but also because those tourneys tend to be closer to the audience (viewer). That is, if I'm actually able to watch them. Did you catch any of the games and if so, were they any good?
I did not watch a single SC II game. They are so early in the morning for me, that I sleep and when I wake up, Douyu.tv does not work for me, because it is 20.00 in China and their Internet tends to slow down for outsiders at that point. I watched quite a bit Warcraft 3 in Chinese and English (because their Groupstage went so late) live yesterday and the Grandfinal today. Now I am watching the VODs of the semifinals and 3rd place match.
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On December 12 2016 16:07 PharaphobiaSC wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2016 16:13 LongShot27 wrote: In this era of "sc2 ded game" and legitimate concerns about the state of the game SHIT LIKE THIS DONT HELP Well ppl like you dont help at all and never did so what's the matter?
Great, more joined in 2016 users telling fans that we never "helped". How do you know this? You weren't even here. You weren't even here to watch and enjoy the game, let alone know what others did or didn't do.
What a joke.
Even bigger of a joke than the organizing of this tournament.
By the why, if Jieshi was D/C'd why does LP list the match as a 3-0?
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On December 12 2016 22:06 207aicila wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2016 16:07 PharaphobiaSC wrote:On December 10 2016 16:13 LongShot27 wrote: In this era of "sc2 ded game" and legitimate concerns about the state of the game SHIT LIKE THIS DONT HELP Well ppl like you dont help at all and never did so what's the matter? Great, more joined in 2016 users telling fans that we never "helped". How do you know this? You weren't even here. You weren't even here to watch and enjoy the game, let alone know what others did or didn't do. What a joke. Even bigger of a joke than the organizing of this tournament. By the why, if Jieshi was D/C'd why does LP list the match as a 3-0?
Like... this is literally someone joining in 2015 complaining about people join in 2016... dafuq
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On December 15 2016 13:51 ragz_gt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2016 22:06 207aicila wrote:On December 12 2016 16:07 PharaphobiaSC wrote:On December 10 2016 16:13 LongShot27 wrote: In this era of "sc2 ded game" and legitimate concerns about the state of the game SHIT LIKE THIS DONT HELP Well ppl like you dont help at all and never did so what's the matter? Great, more joined in 2016 users telling fans that we never "helped". How do you know this? You weren't even here. You weren't even here to watch and enjoy the game, let alone know what others did or didn't do. What a joke. Even bigger of a joke than the organizing of this tournament. By the why, if Jieshi was D/C'd why does LP list the match as a 3-0? Like... this is literally someone joining in 2015 complaining about people join in 2016... dafuq
I've been here since the BW days fam, don't be fooled by this account.
And I got into SC2 with the Wings beta in like April 2010.
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Wow. Now i respect what you say a million times more.
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On December 16 2016 02:58 Phredxor wrote: Wow. Now i respect what you say a million times more.
Very constructive post.
If you don't see the ludicrous irony in newcomers accusing oldtimers of not being helpful even though we are the ones who bought every version of the game, been supporting and watching content since day 1, subscribing on twitch, buying GOM tickets, buying merch, posting on forums, engaging on social media, spreading the word etc.
If you don't see the irony in people who have never done anything accusing us of not being helpful, while they don't know anything about anything and just mindlessly brownnose everything Blizzard does, then I'm afraid you are beyond help.
I used to think you were a reasonable poster, please exercise more critical thinking in the future.
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On December 16 2016 03:30 207aicila wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2016 02:58 Phredxor wrote: Wow. Now i respect what you say a million times more. Very constructive post. If you don't see the ludicrous irony in newcomers accusing oldtimers of not being helpful even though we are the ones who bought every version of the game, been supporting and watching content since day 1, subscribing on twitch, buying GOM tickets, buying merch, posting on forums, engaging on social media, spreading the word etc. If you don't see the irony in people who have never done anything accusing us of not being helpful, while they don't know anything about anything and just mindlessly brownnose everything Blizzard does, then I'm afraid you are beyond help. I used to think you were a reasonable poster, please exercise more critical thinking in the future.
The very fact that you have to post from a new account signalizes that your attitude probably wasn't always the textbook definition of "helpful". I would stop pulling the seniority card if I were you - which also of course holds for the guy you were responding to though. If you aren't a tournament/team organizer, a pro, writer, or something like that, your "contributions" are largely irrelevant.
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On December 16 2016 03:56 opisska wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2016 03:30 207aicila wrote:On December 16 2016 02:58 Phredxor wrote: Wow. Now i respect what you say a million times more. Very constructive post. If you don't see the ludicrous irony in newcomers accusing oldtimers of not being helpful even though we are the ones who bought every version of the game, been supporting and watching content since day 1, subscribing on twitch, buying GOM tickets, buying merch, posting on forums, engaging on social media, spreading the word etc. If you don't see the irony in people who have never done anything accusing us of not being helpful, while they don't know anything about anything and just mindlessly brownnose everything Blizzard does, then I'm afraid you are beyond help. I used to think you were a reasonable poster, please exercise more critical thinking in the future. The very fact that you have to post from a new account signalizes that your attitude probably wasn't always the textbook definition of "helpful". I would stop pulling the seniority card if I were you - which also of course holds for the guy you were responding to though. If you aren't a tournament/team organizer, a pro, writer, or something like that, your "contributions" are largely irrelevant.
What a nice reductionist view from one of Blizzard's top defener white-knights!
Nice assumptions about me and my past. First we are just BW elitists who hate the game, even though we continue to watch and support it even 6 years later, now you handwave away and pretend that supporting both Blizzard and content-producers / eSports organizers with our wallets is irrelevant.
How nice.
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On December 16 2016 04:05 207aicila wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2016 03:56 opisska wrote:On December 16 2016 03:30 207aicila wrote:On December 16 2016 02:58 Phredxor wrote: Wow. Now i respect what you say a million times more. Very constructive post. If you don't see the ludicrous irony in newcomers accusing oldtimers of not being helpful even though we are the ones who bought every version of the game, been supporting and watching content since day 1, subscribing on twitch, buying GOM tickets, buying merch, posting on forums, engaging on social media, spreading the word etc. If you don't see the irony in people who have never done anything accusing us of not being helpful, while they don't know anything about anything and just mindlessly brownnose everything Blizzard does, then I'm afraid you are beyond help. I used to think you were a reasonable poster, please exercise more critical thinking in the future. The very fact that you have to post from a new account signalizes that your attitude probably wasn't always the textbook definition of "helpful". I would stop pulling the seniority card if I were you - which also of course holds for the guy you were responding to though. If you aren't a tournament/team organizer, a pro, writer, or something like that, your "contributions" are largely irrelevant. What a nice reductionist view from one of Blizzard's top defener white-knights! Nice assumptions about me and my past. First we are just BW elitists who hate the game, even though we continue to watch and support it even 6 years later, now you handwave away and pretend that supporting both Blizzard and content-producers / eSports organizers with our wallets is irrelevant. How nice.
You started this whole discussion by attacking a guy based on his joined date, even though you know nothing about him and then you get worked up about people commenting on your joined date? Tell me more about irony! Are you seriously expecting that we are going to bow to you because you bought the games? Most people here did, so what?
I don't even know why I am responding to you, because your post paint the picture really clearly without any commentary. It's probably just because your attitude irritates me so much and people like you are the reason why the gaming community is still seen as unfriendly and childish in the eyes of the general public.
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On December 16 2016 04:12 opisska wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2016 04:05 207aicila wrote:On December 16 2016 03:56 opisska wrote:On December 16 2016 03:30 207aicila wrote:On December 16 2016 02:58 Phredxor wrote: Wow. Now i respect what you say a million times more. Very constructive post. If you don't see the ludicrous irony in newcomers accusing oldtimers of not being helpful even though we are the ones who bought every version of the game, been supporting and watching content since day 1, subscribing on twitch, buying GOM tickets, buying merch, posting on forums, engaging on social media, spreading the word etc. If you don't see the irony in people who have never done anything accusing us of not being helpful, while they don't know anything about anything and just mindlessly brownnose everything Blizzard does, then I'm afraid you are beyond help. I used to think you were a reasonable poster, please exercise more critical thinking in the future. The very fact that you have to post from a new account signalizes that your attitude probably wasn't always the textbook definition of "helpful". I would stop pulling the seniority card if I were you - which also of course holds for the guy you were responding to though. If you aren't a tournament/team organizer, a pro, writer, or something like that, your "contributions" are largely irrelevant. What a nice reductionist view from one of Blizzard's top defener white-knights! Nice assumptions about me and my past. First we are just BW elitists who hate the game, even though we continue to watch and support it even 6 years later, now you handwave away and pretend that supporting both Blizzard and content-producers / eSports organizers with our wallets is irrelevant. How nice. You started this whole discussion by attacking a guy based on his joined date, even though you know nothing about him and then you get worked up about people commenting on your joined date? Tell me more about irony! Are you seriously expecting that we are going to bow to you because you bought the games? Most people here did, so what? I don't even know why I am responding to you, because your post paint the picture really clearly without any commentary. It's probably just because your attitude irritates me so much and people like you are the reason why the gaming community is still seen as unfriendly and childish in the eyes of the general public.
Yeah it's so unfriendly and childish to demand a modicum of respect from people who joined a bandwagon 6 years later and shit on all the veterans for no reason and while being objectively incorrect in their assertions.
But what do I know, I'm just a BW elitist according to you, and I hate SC2 even though I've been watching it for 6 years and helped support the people and companies involved to the best of my ability. LOL.
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On December 16 2016 03:30 207aicila wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2016 02:58 Phredxor wrote: Wow. Now i respect what you say a million times more. Very constructive post. If you don't see the ludicrous irony in newcomers accusing oldtimers of not being helpful even though we are the ones who bought every version of the game, been supporting and watching content since day 1, subscribing on twitch, buying GOM tickets, buying merch, posting on forums, engaging on social media, spreading the word etc. If you don't see the irony in people who have never done anything accusing us of not being helpful, while they don't know anything about anything and just mindlessly brownnose everything Blizzard does, then I'm afraid you are beyond help. I used to think you were a reasonable poster, please exercise more critical thinking in the future.
And yet you don't see the irony in attacking someone for having a new account whilst yours isn't much older? Beyond help indeed.
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On December 16 2016 05:12 Phredxor wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2016 03:30 207aicila wrote:On December 16 2016 02:58 Phredxor wrote: Wow. Now i respect what you say a million times more. Very constructive post. If you don't see the ludicrous irony in newcomers accusing oldtimers of not being helpful even though we are the ones who bought every version of the game, been supporting and watching content since day 1, subscribing on twitch, buying GOM tickets, buying merch, posting on forums, engaging on social media, spreading the word etc. If you don't see the irony in people who have never done anything accusing us of not being helpful, while they don't know anything about anything and just mindlessly brownnose everything Blizzard does, then I'm afraid you are beyond help. I used to think you were a reasonable poster, please exercise more critical thinking in the future. And yet you don't see the irony in attacking someone for having a new account whilst yours isn't much older? Beyond help indeed.
Like I said, I've been a part of this community for over a decade, and been playing SC on some level since it was first released.
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On December 16 2016 05:43 207aicila wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2016 05:12 Phredxor wrote:On December 16 2016 03:30 207aicila wrote:On December 16 2016 02:58 Phredxor wrote: Wow. Now i respect what you say a million times more. Very constructive post. If you don't see the ludicrous irony in newcomers accusing oldtimers of not being helpful even though we are the ones who bought every version of the game, been supporting and watching content since day 1, subscribing on twitch, buying GOM tickets, buying merch, posting on forums, engaging on social media, spreading the word etc. If you don't see the irony in people who have never done anything accusing us of not being helpful, while they don't know anything about anything and just mindlessly brownnose everything Blizzard does, then I'm afraid you are beyond help. I used to think you were a reasonable poster, please exercise more critical thinking in the future. And yet you don't see the irony in attacking someone for having a new account whilst yours isn't much older? Beyond help indeed. Like I said, I've been a part of this community for over a decade, and been playing SC on some level since it was first released.
Would you like a special sticker for that
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Holy shit you people are mental.
I'm just pointing out how stupid it is when people who have never done anything at all to support this game complain that those of us who actually have, haven't. That's all I'm saying, and if you look in any of these threads you will see exactly what I'm talking about.
Hell I bet 90% of opisska's post history in the last year is a shining example of what I'm talking about.
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On December 16 2016 06:49 207aicila wrote: Holy shit you people are mental.
I'm just pointing out how stupid it is when people who have never done anything at all to support this game complain that those of us who actually have, haven't. That's all I'm saying, and if you look in any of these threads you will see exactly what I'm talking about.
Hell I bet 90% of opisska's post history in the last year is a shining example of what I'm talking about. Not sure why you have such a hostile attitude...I think you need some self reflection about who is acting mental here
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On December 16 2016 05:43 207aicila wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2016 05:12 Phredxor wrote:On December 16 2016 03:30 207aicila wrote:On December 16 2016 02:58 Phredxor wrote: Wow. Now i respect what you say a million times more. Very constructive post. If you don't see the ludicrous irony in newcomers accusing oldtimers of not being helpful even though we are the ones who bought every version of the game, been supporting and watching content since day 1, subscribing on twitch, buying GOM tickets, buying merch, posting on forums, engaging on social media, spreading the word etc. If you don't see the irony in people who have never done anything accusing us of not being helpful, while they don't know anything about anything and just mindlessly brownnose everything Blizzard does, then I'm afraid you are beyond help. I used to think you were a reasonable poster, please exercise more critical thinking in the future. And yet you don't see the irony in attacking someone for having a new account whilst yours isn't much older? Beyond help indeed. Like I said, I've been a part of this community for over a decade, and been playing SC on some level since it was first released.
Grats. But how do you know the guy you were bashing on isn't the same? Just because of his accounts join date on TL?
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Tbh I think both sides could be more friendlier to each other. :p
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