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herO & Ryung advance to Code S Round of 8

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TeamLiquid ESPORTS
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Last Edited: 2017-02-15 13:09:22
February 15 2017 13:08 GMT
#1
With four players already having advanced to the quarterfinals, the third group of the Round of 16 took place in the traditional GSL time slot. Play started with a series between (P)herO and (P)Trap. After a hectic game one, herO’s superiority showed with consecutive victories featuring 2 base pushes.

Next up was (T)Ryung vs (Z)Leenock. After a dominating mech contain in game one, Ryung opted for bio play which fell short to Leenock’s roaches. The deciding game was eerily similar to the first as early harassment allowed mech to reign supreme.

This meant that herO and Ryung would meet in the winner’s match. herO took game one with a combination phoenix and adept attack off 3 bases after preventing Ryung from taking his own third.



He followed that up with a disrupter drop on Whirlwind. Despite whiffing on almost every disrupter shot after the devastating initial one on Ryung’s natural mineral line, herO was able to handily take the game and advance.

Leenock and Trap started the losers' match on Newkirk Precinct. After rebuffing Leenock’s ling, baneling aggression, Trap took the first game with a strong counter attack. It was more of the same in game two as Trap’s impenetrable defense gave him the edge needed to eliminate Leenock from Code S.

With their tournament lives on the line, Trap started the series against Ryung with uncharacteristically lackadaisical play. His errors, compounded with crisp maneuvers from Ryung, put him at a deficit going into game 2. Trap turned the tables on Abyssal Reef, though. As it had against Leenock, stout defense transitioned to offense, sending the series to the rubber match. In the final game Ryung weathered a seemingly ceaseless tide of harassment, setting him up for a patient contain punctuated by a final attack.



herO and Ryung will discover their opponents this weekend when (T)Maru, (P)sOs, (T)Bunny and (T)KeeN face off in the final group of 2017 GSL Season 1.




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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
44693 Posts
February 15 2017 13:16 GMT
#2
When did Afreeca get so fast with uploading the VODs to their Youtube?
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Olli
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Austria23638 Posts
February 15 2017 13:22 GMT
#3
These are Twitch clips
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munch
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Mute City2333 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-15 13:24:54
February 15 2017 13:23 GMT
#4
On February 15 2017 22:16 Elentos wrote:
When did Afreeca get so fast with uploading the VODs to their Youtube?

Doing it match by match as well now instead of hour long chunks

On February 15 2017 22:22 Olli wrote:
These are Twitch clips


No, proper vods on youtube live right now (except for Trap vs Ryung atm)
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
44693 Posts
February 15 2017 13:25 GMT
#5
On February 15 2017 22:23 munch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2017 22:16 Elentos wrote:
When did Afreeca get so fast with uploading the VODs to their Youtube?

Doing it match by match as well now instead of hour long chunks

Yes, sadly they cut out the ads
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Edpayasugo
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United Kingdom1577 Posts
February 15 2017 14:13 GMT
#6
Rapid posting, thanks.
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Germany21790 Posts
February 15 2017 14:19 GMT
#7
Ryung hype!

herO is so strong right now, great to see
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Poland1003 Posts
February 15 2017 15:52 GMT
#8
Not a particularly surprising outcome of the group, good to see herO is out of his slump.
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TentativePanda
Profile Joined August 2014
United States66 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-15 16:18:04
February 15 2017 16:17 GMT
#9
One zerg in Ro8. People still say Zerg isn't weak right now smh. When Terran is weak everyone complains, but when zerg or protoss are weak no one seems to notice. ZvT isn't horrible right now, though Terran is obviously favored. But ZvP is sickening right now. The only way zerg's can win is early all in or fast switch to mutas that surprises the opponent. Both of which can be easily scouted and countered and just aren't even fun to do as a zerg every game.

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NonY
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February 15 2017 17:26 GMT
#10
G1 herO vs Ryung was bizarre to me. Photon overcharge is used to kill a reaper and then an adept dies to a widow mine early. Terran harass/pressure should be hard to defend now right? So herO's response is to take a 3rd and chrono out probes and phoenixes (??). And then goes forge/twilight. He does no scouting and builds no units except phoenixes and probes, and then goes for tech/upgrades before units. Casters weren't interested in the game at all so no opinion from them. Is this the fabled reverse cheese? Ryung is so scared that even when the situation seems good for pressure, he just very cautiously sends out 1 medivac with 1 mine, so herO is able to do the macro cheese (invest all into economy -> timing attack).

Some extreme mind game / risky play from herO I think. There are other terrans doing builds in those same circumstances that would show up at herO's front door and win with attack move.
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Profile Joined May 2014
United States308 Posts
February 15 2017 18:21 GMT
#11
On February 16 2017 02:26 NonY wrote:
G1 herO vs Ryung was bizarre to me. Photon overcharge is used to kill a reaper and then an adept dies to a widow mine early. Terran harass/pressure should be hard to defend now right? So herO's response is to take a 3rd and chrono out probes and phoenixes (??). And then goes forge/twilight. He does no scouting and builds no units except phoenixes and probes, and then goes for tech/upgrades before units. Casters weren't interested in the game at all so no opinion from them. Is this the fabled reverse cheese? Ryung is so scared that even when the situation seems good for pressure, he just very cautiously sends out 1 medivac with 1 mine, so herO is able to do the macro cheese (invest all into economy -> timing attack).

Some extreme mind game / risky play from herO I think. There are other terrans doing builds in those same circumstances that would show up at herO's front door and win with attack move.


I've been noticing this sort of greedy play from other protosses as well.

I think its definitely a super mindgame tactic, because obviously on paper it shouldn't work.
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Mun_Su
Profile Joined December 2012
France1688 Posts
February 15 2017 18:48 GMT
#12
On February 16 2017 01:17 TentativePanda wrote:
One zerg in Ro8. People still say Zerg isn't weak right now smh. When Terran is weak everyone complains, but when zerg or protoss are weak no one seems to notice. ZvT isn't horrible right now, though Terran is obviously favored. But ZvP is sickening right now. The only way zerg's can win is early all in or fast switch to mutas that surprises the opponent. Both of which can be easily scouted and countered and just aren't even fun to do as a zerg every game.



I saw Leenock playing really really bad... what is wrong with ZvP?
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Vutalisk
Profile Joined August 2016
United States503 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-15 19:21:21
February 15 2017 19:20 GMT
#13
On February 16 2017 02:26 NonY wrote:
G1 herO vs Ryung was bizarre to me. Photon overcharge is used to kill a reaper and then an adept dies to a widow mine early. Terran harass/pressure should be hard to defend now right? So herO's response is to take a 3rd and chrono out probes and phoenixes (??). And then goes forge/twilight. He does no scouting and builds no units except phoenixes and probes, and then goes for tech/upgrades before units. Casters weren't interested in the game at all so no opinion from them. Is this the fabled reverse cheese? Ryung is so scared that even when the situation seems good for pressure, he just very cautiously sends out 1 medivac with 1 mine, so herO is able to do the macro cheese (invest all into economy -> timing attack).

Some extreme mind game / risky play from herO I think. There are other terrans doing builds in those same circumstances that would show up at herO's front door and win with attack move.

I see some of your points but there was nothing bizarre about that game with only exception with how one-sided it was.

1. Photo overcharge to kill a reaper is standard to deny scouting given herO was building a Stargate in the corner. You certainly don't want a reaper keep hopping in and out of your base and scout everything and probably kills one or two probes on the way out. Killing the reaper quickly is perfect.

2. Random widow mine is trendy in PvT to just catch Protoss off-guard when they are flying stuff around like an oracle or prism. Also, that location Ryung placed the widow mine was not even random. That is where P has some adepts there and shading into to natural and even to the main for scouting.

3. This is Echo Map. Getting third base for any races is easy given how close they are. So, nothing strange about going greedy and get an early third base. Also, early third base is important for adepts + phoenix combo.

4. This standard for P not to build excessive units until you need to as you can warp in pretty fast. Spending resources on tech and eco is main focus. I don't see how that is strange.

5. Again, Echo map is drop map for T. So, need some phoenixes to scare off any drops and that is sufficient. Terran sees phoenixes and they will turn around as they don't want to lose all Medivacs. So, you can certainly skip some ground units.

6. Ryung says this all the time that he doesn't like PvT and herO is known for cheese against T. So, it makes sense Ryung plays safe.

Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States17431 Posts
February 15 2017 20:18 GMT
#14
Holy cow, Ryung is still making GSL Ro8 in 2017? This is some ridiculous longetivity considering he was making these same types of runs back in 2011 when Nestea and Huk were still in GSL
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United States12428 Posts
February 15 2017 21:03 GMT
#15
There is a very serious chance 2 of my 3 favorite players make it to the finals...
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
44693 Posts
February 15 2017 21:24 GMT
#16
On February 16 2017 05:18 Bagration wrote:
Holy cow, Ryung is still making GSL Ro8 in 2017? This is some ridiculous longetivity considering he was making these same types of runs back in 2011 when Nestea and Huk were still in GSL

There was a long period of nothing for Ryung too, he's had a resurgence last year.
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NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
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Last Edited: 2017-02-15 21:49:37
February 15 2017 21:35 GMT
#17
On February 16 2017 04:20 Vutalisk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2017 02:26 NonY wrote:
G1 herO vs Ryung was bizarre to me. Photon overcharge is used to kill a reaper and then an adept dies to a widow mine early. Terran harass/pressure should be hard to defend now right? So herO's response is to take a 3rd and chrono out probes and phoenixes (??). And then goes forge/twilight. He does no scouting and builds no units except phoenixes and probes, and then goes for tech/upgrades before units. Casters weren't interested in the game at all so no opinion from them. Is this the fabled reverse cheese? Ryung is so scared that even when the situation seems good for pressure, he just very cautiously sends out 1 medivac with 1 mine, so herO is able to do the macro cheese (invest all into economy -> timing attack).

Some extreme mind game / risky play from herO I think. There are other terrans doing builds in those same circumstances that would show up at herO's front door and win with attack move.

I see some of your points but there was nothing bizarre about that game with only exception with how one-sided it was.

1. Photo overcharge to kill a reaper is standard to deny scouting given herO was building a Stargate in the corner. You certainly don't want a reaper keep hopping in and out of your base and scout everything and probably kills one or two probes on the way out. Killing the reaper quickly is perfect.

2. Random widow mine is trendy in PvT to just catch Protoss off-guard when they are flying stuff around like an oracle or prism. Also, that location Ryung placed the widow mine was not even random. That is where P has some adepts there and shading into to natural and even to the main for scouting.

3. This is Echo Map. Getting third base for any races is easy given how close they are. So, nothing strange about going greedy and get an early third base. Also, early third base is important for adepts + phoenix combo.

4. This standard for P not to build excessive units until you need to as you can warp in pretty fast. Spending resources on tech and eco is main focus. I don't see how that is strange.

5. Again, Echo map is drop map for T. So, need some phoenixes to scare off any drops and that is sufficient. Terran sees phoenixes and they will turn around as they don't want to lose all Medivacs. So, you can certainly skip some ground units.

6. Ryung says this all the time that he doesn't like PvT and herO is known for cheese against T. So, it makes sense Ryung plays safe.


you totally missed my point. i wasnt implying that literally everything i said was weird or bizarre. the weird thing is how herO goes minimal units max economy in the face of a lot of very dangerous possibilities. using photon overcharge to kill reaper is good and normal, but the fact remains that if you do that, then the next terran pressure (which usually does not involve the reaper) is going to have one less overcharge. so the point of me mentioning that exchange is to say that it increased the value of the next terran attack. same thing with the widow mine killing the adept. usually, that widow mine is not able to kill anything before it must be loaded up to do pressure. but he put it in the perfect spot to kill an adept. nothing that weird about it. but now herO is down a photon overcharge and down an adept, while Ryung's potential pressure/harass has not been slowed at all. how does herO respond to this? this is what i think is weird. he proceeds with a build that would absolutely die to a timing attack or even just pressure, and would probably sustain some losses to harass (though possibly not put him behind)

it being one-sided in the end wasn't surprising at all. once you saw how greedy herO played without getting punished for it at all, it would have been bizarre if he was unable to deny the terran his third and possibly end the game. the game was already over when herO chronos probes straight to full 3 base saturation and ryung doesn't punish it all

edit: about the phoenix: yeah they're a great part of a balanced defense. but going straight phoenix with nothing else is purely a long term plan. it's not the optimal way to prepare for the attacks that could be hitting immediately. so my point is that he was playing like absolutely no attack would be coming, and it didnt. but he didnt scout it. his investment order was nexus -> chrono probes -> phoenix -> tech/upgrade -> production buildings -> actual fighting units. when there were multiple terran timings that'd require actual fighting units that just came and went
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zealotstim
Profile Joined February 2015
United States412 Posts
February 15 2017 23:07 GMT
#18
Man I was hoping for a Leenock win. Well deserved by Ryung though. He played extremely well and so did Trap.
Vutalisk
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United States503 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-16 00:28:46
February 16 2017 00:28 GMT
#19
On February 16 2017 06:35 NonY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2017 04:20 Vutalisk wrote:
On February 16 2017 02:26 NonY wrote:
G1 herO vs Ryung was bizarre to me. Photon overcharge is used to kill a reaper and then an adept dies to a widow mine early. Terran harass/pressure should be hard to defend now right? So herO's response is to take a 3rd and chrono out probes and phoenixes (??). And then goes forge/twilight. He does no scouting and builds no units except phoenixes and probes, and then goes for tech/upgrades before units. Casters weren't interested in the game at all so no opinion from them. Is this the fabled reverse cheese? Ryung is so scared that even when the situation seems good for pressure, he just very cautiously sends out 1 medivac with 1 mine, so herO is able to do the macro cheese (invest all into economy -> timing attack).

Some extreme mind game / risky play from herO I think. There are other terrans doing builds in those same circumstances that would show up at herO's front door and win with attack move.

I see some of your points but there was nothing bizarre about that game with only exception with how one-sided it was.

1. Photo overcharge to kill a reaper is standard to deny scouting given herO was building a Stargate in the corner. You certainly don't want a reaper keep hopping in and out of your base and scout everything and probably kills one or two probes on the way out. Killing the reaper quickly is perfect.

2. Random widow mine is trendy in PvT to just catch Protoss off-guard when they are flying stuff around like an oracle or prism. Also, that location Ryung placed the widow mine was not even random. That is where P has some adepts there and shading into to natural and even to the main for scouting.

3. This is Echo Map. Getting third base for any races is easy given how close they are. So, nothing strange about going greedy and get an early third base. Also, early third base is important for adepts + phoenix combo.

4. This standard for P not to build excessive units until you need to as you can warp in pretty fast. Spending resources on tech and eco is main focus. I don't see how that is strange.

5. Again, Echo map is drop map for T. So, need some phoenixes to scare off any drops and that is sufficient. Terran sees phoenixes and they will turn around as they don't want to lose all Medivacs. So, you can certainly skip some ground units.

6. Ryung says this all the time that he doesn't like PvT and herO is known for cheese against T. So, it makes sense Ryung plays safe.


you totally missed my point. i wasnt implying that literally everything i said was weird or bizarre. the weird thing is how herO goes minimal units max economy in the face of a lot of very dangerous possibilities. using photon overcharge to kill reaper is good and normal, but the fact remains that if you do that, then the next terran pressure (which usually does not involve the reaper) is going to have one less overcharge. so the point of me mentioning that exchange is to say that it increased the value of the next terran attack. same thing with the widow mine killing the adept. usually, that widow mine is not able to kill anything before it must be loaded up to do pressure. but he put it in the perfect spot to kill an adept. nothing that weird about it. but now herO is down a photon overcharge and down an adept, while Ryung's potential pressure/harass has not been slowed at all. how does herO respond to this? this is what i think is weird. he proceeds with a build that would absolutely die to a timing attack or even just pressure, and would probably sustain some losses to harass (though possibly not put him behind)

it being one-sided in the end wasn't surprising at all. once you saw how greedy herO played without getting punished for it at all, it would have been bizarre if he was unable to deny the terran his third and possibly end the game. the game was already over when herO chronos probes straight to full 3 base saturation and ryung doesn't punish it all

edit: about the phoenix: yeah they're a great part of a balanced defense. but going straight phoenix with nothing else is purely a long term plan. it's not the optimal way to prepare for the attacks that could be hitting immediately. so my point is that he was playing like absolutely no attack would be coming, and it didnt. but he didnt scout it. his investment order was nexus -> chrono probes -> phoenix -> tech/upgrade -> production buildings -> actual fighting units. when there were multiple terran timings that'd require actual fighting units that just came and went


I'm not gonna get to a debate over build order. I respect your perspective on this.

From my point of view, I don't find it is weird or anything. Every build has its own risk. Do it or don't. At the time, the adept got killed by the mine, herO already put down the third base so he was already on his path. He probably had to go with it. At that time, Ryung has like what 5 marines, 1 widow mine that was already triggered, a medivac. Stim was not even started... By the time, he got to this base, herO had like 3 phoenixes, the Mothership should have another overcharge. He probably was gonna warp in couple adepts. He could defend that perfectly fine.

Anyway, I'm gonna stop here. Agree to disagree.
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February 16 2017 00:54 GMT
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So... What are the chances of 5 terrans in the Ro8? Oo;;
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