Can people be a tad it more careful with the spoilers, I mean it's what the checkbox was designed for and I am kinda bummed seeing all these GSL spoilers since I'm still at the end of RO16
Spoiler thing isn't working
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Dillon1
118 Posts
Can people be a tad it more careful with the spoilers, I mean it's what the checkbox was designed for and I am kinda bummed seeing all these GSL spoilers since I'm still at the end of RO16 | ||
NonY
8716 Posts
Right now we've set threads to be spoilered for 24 hours. After this time the thread will automatically un-spoiler. The third out of four groups of the RO16 happened just over 24 hours ago which I guess is the one you're on (didn't have time to watch yesterday?). If it's working properly, it hasn't been protected for several hours now. It seems like the no-spoiler setting is for people who can't watch live but do keep up with it every day. If you can't watch within 24 hours and you'd rather browse TL than catch up on VODs, then the no-spoiler setting isn't really helpful to you. edit: Even though I have a fancy thing next to my name, I'm not staff, so don't take what I say as official. Just trying to think it out and provide some info. | ||
Dillon1
118 Posts
I meant to say RO32 sorry.. I just kinda figured that they would never "unprotect" things. but it is logical | ||
Cascade
Australia5405 Posts
On February 17 2017 09:07 Dillon1 wrote: Well I occasionally have time to quickly check TL for balance discussions and such.. but I like sitting down with friends and putting SC2 on the big tv via hdmi and watching with friends.. I meant to say RO32 sorry.. I just kinda figured that they would never "unprotect" things. but it is logical When I want to watch something later, I just stay off TL. Even though I access TL mainly directly to the "subscribed threads" page (so I avoid the front page), people tend to talk about recent results a bit randomly, which the checkbox also won't protect you from. I mean, I agree that browsing TL is different from catching up on a game, and a lot of people use TL for things that are not related to recent games, but if you really want to remain unspoiled, I think the only safe way is to contain your TL-addiction until you've caught up. | ||
ulfryc
Germany115 Posts
On February 17 2017 11:49 Cascade wrote: I mean, I agree that browsing TL is different from catching up on a game, and a lot of people use TL for things that are not related to recent games, but if you really want to remain unspoiled, I think the only safe way is to contain your TL-addiction until you've caught up. While that might be true, why else would you (re-)introduce a "Hide Spoilers" button? Of course TL staff can't go through forum threads and check which contains spoilers and such but I would at least expect them to flag spoilers in their front page news. For anyone wondering, herO & Ryung advance to Code S Round of 8, is still very visible on the front page right now, with "Hide Spoilers" activated. | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On February 17 2017 19:35 ulfryc wrote: While that might be true, why else would you (re-)introduce a "Hide Spoilers" button? Of course TL staff can't go through forum threads and check which contains spoilers and such but I would at least expect them to flag spoilers in their front page news. For anyone wondering, herO & Ryung advance to Code S Round of 8, is still very visible on the front page right now, with "Hide Spoilers" activated. As said in the second post, the "No Spoilers" option hides spoilers for 24h. From our perspective we think this caters to the needs of most people. We could be wrong about that. Would people prefer the ability to have "no spoilers" mean anything that was marked a spoiler is always marked as a spoiler, rather than have the spoiler status removed after 24h? Also leaving this post here for visibility; Poll: No Spoilers Options Leave it at 24h (15) Increase to 48h (8) Permanent (53) 76 total votes Your vote: No Spoilers Options (Vote): Leave it at 24h | ||
Musicus
Germany23567 Posts
Thanks for staying open for feedback about this topic btw! | ||
KOtical
Germany451 Posts
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Cascade
Australia5405 Posts
On February 17 2017 19:40 Plexa wrote: As said in the second post, the "No Spoilers" option hides spoilers for 24h. From our perspective we think this caters to the needs of most people. We could be wrong about that. Would people prefer the ability to have "no spoilers" mean anything that was marked a spoiler is always marked as a spoiler, rather than have the spoiler status removed after 24h? Also leaving this post here for visibility; Poll: No Spoilers Options Leave it at 24h (15) Increase to 48h (8) Permanent (53) 76 total votes Your vote: No Spoilers Options (Vote): Leave it at 24h Personally, a week is a good time for me. I usually have to wait for the weekend to get enough time off. But I see how it can be different for different people. | ||
intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
Furthermore, I think it should be permanent since TL's more than just an SC news site with a lot of its own subforums, so "avoid TL if you don't want spoilers" is fair, but also not practical since someone may come here for any number of reasons. | ||
KOtical
Germany451 Posts
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
Permanent is bad because while you maybe know that you don't wanna get spoiled for X, you might forget somethign else and then get spoiled by removing the permanent spoiler. If it is time based every single result/news has its own cooldown which seems better in that case. I don't care all that much though, i never understood why people care about spoilers in the first place | ||
KOtical
Germany451 Posts
On February 17 2017 22:47 The_Red_Viper wrote: I think a few days is a good solution. Like 2-3. If you really don't have the time to watch it in that time then you really shouldn't come to TL. Permanent is bad because while you maybe know that you don't wanna get spoiled for X, you might forget somethign else and then get spoiled by removing the permanent spoiler. If it is time based every single result/news has its own cooldown which seems better in that case. I don't care all that much though, i never understood why people care about spoilers in the first place ya same for me its not about the result imo, its about how games have been played. so i watch em anyways... | ||
The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On February 17 2017 22:50 KOtical wrote: ya same for me its not about the result imo, its about how games have been played. so i watch em anyways... I will be honest, i rather know which games were good and watch these than watching every single one and most of them being bad/mediocre anyway. I can somewhat understand that you wanna have the excitement not knowign who won, but that's usually only a factor for me if i really care about certain players. | ||
Cascade
Australia5405 Posts
On February 17 2017 22:37 intotheheart wrote: Where do you guys typically find VODs of games you wanna watch if it isn't on TL? If TL's your primary place to find VODs it makes sense to increase the spoiler time. Furthermore, I think it should be permanent since TL's more than just an SC news site with a lot of its own subforums, so "avoid TL if you don't want spoilers" is fair, but also not practical since someone may come here for any number of reasons. There are spoiler-free vods on TL? There are several spoiler free sc2 vod sites (have a google). sc2links.com one of the more popular ones afaik. | ||
KOtical
Germany451 Posts
On February 17 2017 23:07 Cascade wrote: There are spoiler-free vods on TL? There are several spoiler free sc2 vod sites (have a google). sc2links.com one of the more popular ones afaik. i guess he meant that u can watch the vods of the games (if linked) in the liquipedia. but if u watch there u will see the results no matter what, because those links are either in the bottom of the tournament or on the group or ko phase of the games that have been played. a little suggestion from me is to put up the links to vods at the top of the tournament site at liquipedia. but i think its not necesary, since i just bookmarked sc2links.com | ||
Lunaticman
Sweden1097 Posts
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KOtical
Germany451 Posts
On February 17 2017 23:56 Lunaticman wrote: I want it at permanent since I usually don't have time to watch it within 24 hours. just for interesst, are you able to watch the games u wanted within 7 days? problem with permanent is that people are putting some effort in creating those news, and i think we should honor that by reading it someday... otherwize we could just say dont bring any news for tournaments wich is kinda sad... | ||
brickrd
United States4894 Posts
On February 17 2017 23:05 The_Red_Viper wrote: I will be honest, i rather know which games were good and watch these than watching every single one and most of them being bad/mediocre anyway. I can somewhat understand that you wanna have the excitement not knowign who won, but that's usually only a factor for me if i really care about certain players. with the way the game is currently designed i pretty much just enjoy watching terrans lose. so usually i'll spoil the games on purpose to find out where i can watch terrans losing lmao not a balance commentary, i just prefer the other races | ||
ulfryc
Germany115 Posts
On February 17 2017 19:40 Plexa wrote: As said in the second post, the "No Spoilers" option hides spoilers for 24h. From our perspective we think this caters to the needs of most people. We could be wrong about that. Would people prefer the ability to have "no spoilers" mean anything that was marked a spoiler is always marked as a spoiler, rather than have the spoiler status removed after 24h? Also leaving this post here for visibility; Poll: No Spoilers Options Leave it at 24h (15) Increase to 48h (8) Permanent (53) 76 total votes Your vote: No Spoilers Options (Vote): Leave it at 24h Technically it should not be to hard of an implementation to be able to make this choice on a per user level, right? Just have a boolean flag for every news article whether it contains a spoiler (as I guess you have now) and then display only those news-items on the front page which are either not spoilers or satisfy the formula (current_date - news_creation_date) > user_spoiler_time. For people that are not logged in you could just default to whatever is the result of the current poll. | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On February 18 2017 01:24 ulfryc wrote: Sure technically easy, but on a practical level people tend to only ever use what the default is. There's not much room in the UI to accommodate for this choice. Technically it should not be to hard of an implementation to be able to make this choice on a per user level, right? Just have a boolean flag for every news article whether it contains a spoiler (as I guess you have now) and then display only those news-items on the front page which are either not spoilers or satisfy the formula (current_date - news_creation_date) > user_spoiler_time. For people that are not logged in you could just default to whatever is the result of the current poll. | ||
itsdaniel
Austria326 Posts
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Ignorant prodigy
United States385 Posts
I work, i'm married and have 2 kids. yea I'm old I get it.. but that just means the time I have to dedicate to starcraft is very limited on a daily basis. i simply avoid TL until I watch the vods... which means I hardly visit the site. imo if your advertisers saw that comment they'd advocate an indefinite hiding of spoilers.. especially considering my income | ||
Olli
Austria24413 Posts
My opinion here is that you should bookmark the GSL VOD site on Twitch, or the Afreeca Youtube Channel if you don't want to be spoiled 24h after a group has been played. Seriously, you wouldn't visit a Football related website a day after a game if you don't want to be spoiled, regardless of whether or not it has a forum built in. R/soccer doesn't care about spoilers, it has results right there in your face. There's enough ways to avoid being spoiled, writers shouldn't have their work hidden indefinitely just because you're too lazy to figure them out. | ||
Haighstrom
United Kingdom187 Posts
On February 18 2017 06:58 Olli wrote: Speaking from the perspective of someone who writes news, it's frustrating if your content isn't read. News reporting already isn't much fun, and it's much less fun if some people never even come in contact with your work because they're forever hiding it behind a spoiler button. If I see a spoiler I don't want to have seen, then I'm still not gonna read it. I want to watch the games, then read the analysis articles. Even if it's been spoiled, I'll still watch the games before reading the threads/articles. Being able to check to say when I'm ready to read spoiler articles is what the Hide Spoilers and "Show" buttons are for, so I don't see why people who want to use them wouldn't be allowed to say the time frame that they apply isn't enough for us. | ||
Jenia6109
Russian Federation1607 Posts
Please, increase it to 3, 5 days, 1 week, or permanent at the best. Is it hard? | ||
starkiller123
United States4029 Posts
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Cascade
Australia5405 Posts
On February 18 2017 07:53 Jenia6109 wrote: Teamliquid is working like "Blizzard/David Kim" right now, when they do what they what instead of what the people want... Please, increase it to 3, 5 days, 1 week, or permanent at the best. Is it hard? Luckily we got a rich infrastructure already in place to handle this situation. We just replace "blizzard" with TL, David Kim with plexa and Activision with a sponsor of choice. So we can just insinuate that plexa is intellectually handicapped, and that TL is completely incompetent, selling out, encouraged by razer, and destroying StarCraft in the process. Buff mech. | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
1) Permanent spoilers 2) Spoiler/No spoiler toggle in upper left menu panel Does this sound like an acceptable solution to people? | ||
Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
On February 17 2017 19:40 Plexa wrote: As said in the second post, the "No Spoilers" option hides spoilers for 24h. From our perspective we think this caters to the needs of most people. We could be wrong about that. Would people prefer the ability to have "no spoilers" mean anything that was marked a spoiler is always marked as a spoiler, rather than have the spoiler status removed after 24h? Also leaving this post here for visibility; Poll: No Spoilers Options Leave it at 24h (15) Increase to 48h (8) Permanent (53) 76 total votes Your vote: No Spoilers Options (Vote): Leave it at 24h Just make it a custom field. People can set the number of days. Why set a value for everyone? E.g. someone in summer might have more time than now or vice-versa. | ||
Cricketer12
United States13829 Posts
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On February 18 2017 10:55 Cricketer12 wrote: why is this in sc2 instead of website feedback? Visibility On February 18 2017 10:34 Shield wrote: Just make it a custom field. People can set the number of days. Why set a value for everyone? E.g. someone in summer might have more time than now or vice-versa. Our experiences are that 80% of people use the default settings, and 80% of the remaining users will only ever set their preferences once. It's valuable having a default setting which caters to most people. | ||
Thaniri
1264 Posts
If you haven't paid a witch to tell you when you'll die coward are thee. | ||
ulfryc
Germany115 Posts
On February 18 2017 10:33 Plexa wrote: On a more serious note, combining with the feedback from here, to me it seems like the best way forward is: 1) Permanent spoilers 2) Spoiler/No spoiler toggle in upper left menu panel Does this sound like an acceptable solution to people? Sounds good. | ||
Jenia6109
Russian Federation1607 Posts
On February 18 2017 08:17 starkiller123 wrote: It's easy to just not check team liquid til you have seen the games, it's really not that hard You offer me and people not to visit TL for 1-2 days just because i don't want to be spoiled? I WANT to visit TL, i love this site And i think TL want more visiters too, you know? And even when you visit TL only for GSL thread, you can be spoiled by the left block... | ||
Kerence
Sweden1817 Posts
On February 18 2017 06:58 Olli wrote: Speaking from the perspective of someone who writes news, it's frustrating if your content isn't read. News reporting already isn't much fun, and it's much less fun if some people never even come in contact with your work because they're forever hiding it behind a spoiler button. My opinion here is that you should bookmark the GSL VOD site on Twitch, or the Afreeca Youtube Channel if you don't want to be spoiled 24h after a group has been played. Seriously, you wouldn't visit a Football related website a day after a game if you don't want to be spoiled, regardless of whether or not it has a forum built in. R/soccer doesn't care about spoilers, it has results right there in your face. There's enough ways to avoid being spoiled, writers shouldn't have their work hidden indefinitely just because you're too lazy to figure them out. While I see your perspective as well, keep in mind that people come to this site for many different reasons than just Starcraft results. You might come here to see what streams are available, browse the general forum, read up on what's been going on in the community in general or any number of reasons. I haven't really watched any Starcraft VODs in a long time, so if the site has spoilers or not doesn't really matter to me, but it's obvious that it does to a number of people. The whole "don't come here if you don't want to be spoiled" is a pretty silly statement in my opinion, are you really telling the users of the site not to come here anymore and go somewhere else? As noted by some people in this thread they don't have time watching the VODs every day, so if there are spoilers they are doing just what you recommend and don't come here at all. But then your articles won't be read either; it's not like they can come here and read them afterwards, because then they might be spoiled by the next one. | ||
Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
On February 18 2017 11:27 Plexa wrote: Visibility Our experiences are that 80% of people use the default settings, and 80% of the remaining users will only ever set their preferences once. It's valuable having a default setting which caters to most people. I don't know about your statistics, but I can tell you that letting users define for themselves how many days they need is the better option. Anyone else agrees? User A: 24h User B: 48h User C: 72h 24 =/= 48 =/= 72 Not everyone is equal and you'll always have people who complain. If you want to satisfy writers, then set time limit. For example, 1-2 weeks. In other words, you can pick from 1 hour to 168 hours. That should be good for most users and most writers. | ||
Dillon1
118 Posts
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Malongo
Chile3466 Posts
On February 18 2017 22:49 Kerence wrote: While I see your perspective as well, keep in mind that people come to this site for many different reasons than just Starcraft results. You might come here to see what streams are available, browse the general forum, read up on what's been going on in the community in general or any number of reasons. I haven't really watched any Starcraft VODs in a long time, so if the site has spoilers or not doesn't really matter to me, but it's obvious that it does to a number of people. The whole "don't come here if you don't want to be spoiled" is a pretty silly statement in my opinion, are you really telling the users of the site not to come here anymore and go somewhere else? As noted by some people in this thread they don't have time watching the VODs every day, so if there are spoilers they are doing just what you recommend and don't come here at all. But then your articles won't be read either; it's not like they can come here and read them afterwards, because then they might be spoiled by the next one. I support Kerences post. I should also add that the Football analogy isn`t really fair because most Football matches don`t have full VODs around. | ||
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