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On June 21 2017 07:28 ThunderJunk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2017 07:20 Solar424 wrote:On June 21 2017 04:26 ThunderJunk wrote:
Gumiho has been around since the very beginning of Starcraft 2. Everyone wants to write him off. Everyone wants to give credit to Soo if he wins, and they want to give credit to Soo if he loses. It's infuriating.
Gumiho has worked hard for 7 years. He FINALLY became one of the best players in the GSL, and people want to make this all about Soo, who has already had his time in the spotlight so many times and failed.
All this talk about curses, and Soo being his own worst enemy is undermining Gumiho whose tireless tenacity and perseverance makes his story one of the most beautiful and compelling in all of ESports.
He never gave up! He just kept working at it!
AND He's the only player who makes Mech look strong.
What is wrong with you people. Love Gumiho more. soO has been a progamer for longer. False. Late 2011 SoO made his breakthrough. Gumiho hit the GSL Scene in 2010. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/GuMiho
No, you're not accounting for soO's Brood War career, which he started in 2008.
soO really has been a progamer (BW + SC2) for longer than Gumiho.
Also you claimed:
AND He's the only player who makes Mech look strong.
but that's completely false. When Mech was in its heyday (late 2015), Flash and INnoVation were frequently cited as top-tier mech players (so was Gumiho). Moreover, Gumiho wasn't even the strongest mech player around, that title goes to INnoVation. ByuL, the best anti-mech Zerg around in 2015, absolutely stomped Gumiho 3-0 in GSL Ro8, but INnoVation beat ByuL in the finals (two games of six were mech). Game 5 was basically a perfect textbook example of how to mech.
Even if you're only talking about current mech, you're still wrong because INnoVation has won two trophies in WCS 2017 as a result of mech: he beat Dark in IEM Gyeonggi and Solar in SSL. Even if Gumiho beats soO, he will only have won one trophy as a result.
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United States299 Posts
On June 21 2017 08:46 pvsnp wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2017 07:28 ThunderJunk wrote:On June 21 2017 07:20 Solar424 wrote:On June 21 2017 04:26 ThunderJunk wrote:
Gumiho has been around since the very beginning of Starcraft 2. Everyone wants to write him off. Everyone wants to give credit to Soo if he wins, and they want to give credit to Soo if he loses. It's infuriating.
Gumiho has worked hard for 7 years. He FINALLY became one of the best players in the GSL, and people want to make this all about Soo, who has already had his time in the spotlight so many times and failed.
All this talk about curses, and Soo being his own worst enemy is undermining Gumiho whose tireless tenacity and perseverance makes his story one of the most beautiful and compelling in all of ESports.
He never gave up! He just kept working at it!
AND He's the only player who makes Mech look strong.
What is wrong with you people. Love Gumiho more. soO has been a progamer for longer. False. Late 2011 SoO made his breakthrough. Gumiho hit the GSL Scene in 2010. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/GuMiho No, you're not accounting for soO's Brood War career, which he started in 2008. soO really has been a progamer (BW + SC2) for longer than Gumiho. Also you claimed: but that's completely false. When Mech was in its heyday (late 2015), Flash and INnoVation were frequently cited as top-tier mech players (so was Gumiho). Moreover, Gumiho wasn't even the strongest mech player around, that title goes to INnoVation. ByuL, the best anti-mech Zerg around in 2015, absolutely stomped Gumiho 3-0 in GSL Ro8, but INnoVation beat ByuL in the finals (two games of six were mech). Game 5 was basically a perfect textbook example of how to mech. Even if you're only talking about current mech, you're still wrong because INnoVation has won two trophies in WCS 2017 as a result of mech: he beat Dark in IEM Gyeonggi and Solar in SSL. Even if Gumiho beats soO, he will only have won one trophy as a result.
Bravo, Journey and Reality were all mech specialists who were better with mech during that period than GuMiho.
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Go soO! Time to collect your 6th silver medal 
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On June 21 2017 10:14 mizenhauer wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2017 08:46 pvsnp wrote:On June 21 2017 07:28 ThunderJunk wrote:On June 21 2017 07:20 Solar424 wrote:On June 21 2017 04:26 ThunderJunk wrote:
Gumiho has been around since the very beginning of Starcraft 2. Everyone wants to write him off. Everyone wants to give credit to Soo if he wins, and they want to give credit to Soo if he loses. It's infuriating.
Gumiho has worked hard for 7 years. He FINALLY became one of the best players in the GSL, and people want to make this all about Soo, who has already had his time in the spotlight so many times and failed.
All this talk about curses, and Soo being his own worst enemy is undermining Gumiho whose tireless tenacity and perseverance makes his story one of the most beautiful and compelling in all of ESports.
He never gave up! He just kept working at it!
AND He's the only player who makes Mech look strong.
What is wrong with you people. Love Gumiho more. soO has been a progamer for longer. False. Late 2011 SoO made his breakthrough. Gumiho hit the GSL Scene in 2010. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/GuMiho No, you're not accounting for soO's Brood War career, which he started in 2008. soO really has been a progamer (BW + SC2) for longer than Gumiho. Also you claimed: AND He's the only player who makes Mech look strong.
but that's completely false. When Mech was in its heyday (late 2015), Flash and INnoVation were frequently cited as top-tier mech players (so was Gumiho). Moreover, Gumiho wasn't even the strongest mech player around, that title goes to INnoVation. ByuL, the best anti-mech Zerg around in 2015, absolutely stomped Gumiho 3-0 in GSL Ro8, but INnoVation beat ByuL in the finals (two games of six were mech). Game 5 was basically a perfect textbook example of how to mech. Even if you're only talking about current mech, you're still wrong because INnoVation has won two trophies in WCS 2017 as a result of mech: he beat Dark in IEM Gyeonggi and Solar in SSL. Even if Gumiho beats soO, he will only have won one trophy as a result. Bravo, Journey and Reality were all mech specialists who were better with mech during that period than GuMiho.
Bogus was better than him for sure. ByuL was the only zerg to ever beat him in a televised mech game based on my recollections.
That said, no way Bravo, Journey or Reality were better than Gumiho with mech. Not only was Gumiho one of the best with mech TvZ, he also played it in a uniquely aggressive way that only TY seemed to replicate well. He didn't just abuse the turtle style.
Bogus
Bbyong
TY
Gumiho
Flash
were the best with it in that order at the end of HotS.
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On June 21 2017 10:14 mizenhauer wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2017 08:46 pvsnp wrote:On June 21 2017 07:28 ThunderJunk wrote:On June 21 2017 07:20 Solar424 wrote:On June 21 2017 04:26 ThunderJunk wrote:
Gumiho has been around since the very beginning of Starcraft 2. Everyone wants to write him off. Everyone wants to give credit to Soo if he wins, and they want to give credit to Soo if he loses. It's infuriating.
Gumiho has worked hard for 7 years. He FINALLY became one of the best players in the GSL, and people want to make this all about Soo, who has already had his time in the spotlight so many times and failed.
All this talk about curses, and Soo being his own worst enemy is undermining Gumiho whose tireless tenacity and perseverance makes his story one of the most beautiful and compelling in all of ESports.
He never gave up! He just kept working at it!
AND He's the only player who makes Mech look strong.
What is wrong with you people. Love Gumiho more. soO has been a progamer for longer. False. Late 2011 SoO made his breakthrough. Gumiho hit the GSL Scene in 2010. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/GuMiho No, you're not accounting for soO's Brood War career, which he started in 2008. soO really has been a progamer (BW + SC2) for longer than Gumiho. Also you claimed: AND He's the only player who makes Mech look strong.
but that's completely false. When Mech was in its heyday (late 2015), Flash and INnoVation were frequently cited as top-tier mech players (so was Gumiho). Moreover, Gumiho wasn't even the strongest mech player around, that title goes to INnoVation. ByuL, the best anti-mech Zerg around in 2015, absolutely stomped Gumiho 3-0 in GSL Ro8, but INnoVation beat ByuL in the finals (two games of six were mech). Game 5 was basically a perfect textbook example of how to mech. Even if you're only talking about current mech, you're still wrong because INnoVation has won two trophies in WCS 2017 as a result of mech: he beat Dark in IEM Gyeonggi and Solar in SSL. Even if Gumiho beats soO, he will only have won one trophy as a result. Bravo, Journey and Reality were all mech specialists who were better with mech during that period than GuMiho.
Absolutely not. Maybe, maybe you could make a case for Reality, but not the other 2.
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Bravo, Journey and Reality were all mech specialists who were better with mech during that period than GuMiho.
Damn those mech games from Reality were so sexy.
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funny to think in an alternate universe soO is vying for his 6th GSL Code S title
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Russian Federation11518 Posts
On June 21 2017 18:54 Hadronsbecrazy wrote:
funny to think in an alternate universe soO is vying for his 6th GSL Code S title
And considered greatest player of all time by a mile with only a single fluke loss to Dark of all people.
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Russian Federation11518 Posts
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On June 21 2017 19:24 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2017 18:54 Hadronsbecrazy wrote:
funny to think in an alternate universe soO is vying for his 6th GSL Code S title And considered greatest player of all time by a mile with only a single fluke loss to Dark of all people.
Nah Stuchiu and Olli would still vouche for Mvp as the greatest 
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Austria22679 Posts
On June 21 2017 19:31 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2017 19:24 lolfail9001 wrote:On June 21 2017 18:54 Hadronsbecrazy wrote:
funny to think in an alternate universe soO is vying for his 6th GSL Code S title And considered greatest player of all time by a mile with only a single fluke loss to Dark of all people. Nah Stuchiu and Olli would still vouche for Mvp as the greatest
Nah, soO would be the greatest easily. But Mvp's curse lives on.
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On June 21 2017 19:54 Olli wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2017 19:31 Charoisaur wrote:On June 21 2017 19:24 lolfail9001 wrote:On June 21 2017 18:54 Hadronsbecrazy wrote:
funny to think in an alternate universe soO is vying for his 6th GSL Code S title And considered greatest player of all time by a mile with only a single fluke loss to Dark of all people. Nah Stuchiu and Olli would still vouche for Mvp as the greatest Nah, soO would be the greatest easily. But Mvp's curse lives on.
What happened to those alternative timeline articles? If I recall only one was published a while back, with Mvp being kong and MKP a bonjwa or something
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Austria22679 Posts
On June 21 2017 21:05 Sakat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2017 19:54 Olli wrote:On June 21 2017 19:31 Charoisaur wrote:On June 21 2017 19:24 lolfail9001 wrote:On June 21 2017 18:54 Hadronsbecrazy wrote:
funny to think in an alternate universe soO is vying for his 6th GSL Code S title And considered greatest player of all time by a mile with only a single fluke loss to Dark of all people. Nah Stuchiu and Olli would still vouche for Mvp as the greatest Nah, soO would be the greatest easily. But Mvp's curse lives on. What happened to those alternative timeline articles? If I recall only one was published a while back, with Mvp being kong and MKP a bonjwa or something
Waxangel being lazy happened ;(
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Fiddler's Green35359 Posts
On June 21 2017 19:31 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2017 19:24 lolfail9001 wrote:On June 21 2017 18:54 Hadronsbecrazy wrote:
funny to think in an alternate universe soO is vying for his 6th GSL Code S title And considered greatest player of all time by a mile with only a single fluke loss to Dark of all people. Nah Stuchiu and Olli would still vouche for Mvp as the greatest
I've said multiple times that if soO had gotten 3 of those, I'd have picked him as the greatest.
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On June 21 2017 21:08 Olli wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2017 21:05 Sakat wrote:On June 21 2017 19:54 Olli wrote:On June 21 2017 19:31 Charoisaur wrote:On June 21 2017 19:24 lolfail9001 wrote:On June 21 2017 18:54 Hadronsbecrazy wrote:
funny to think in an alternate universe soO is vying for his 6th GSL Code S title And considered greatest player of all time by a mile with only a single fluke loss to Dark of all people. Nah Stuchiu and Olli would still vouche for Mvp as the greatest Nah, soO would be the greatest easily. But Mvp's curse lives on. What happened to those alternative timeline articles? If I recall only one was published a while back, with Mvp being kong and MKP a bonjwa or something Waxangel being lazy happened ;(
To be fair, what did we expect out of the guy who identifies as a Snorlax?
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On June 21 2017 21:33 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2017 19:31 Charoisaur wrote:On June 21 2017 19:24 lolfail9001 wrote:On June 21 2017 18:54 Hadronsbecrazy wrote:
funny to think in an alternate universe soO is vying for his 6th GSL Code S title And considered greatest player of all time by a mile with only a single fluke loss to Dark of all people. Nah Stuchiu and Olli would still vouche for Mvp as the greatest I've said multiple times that if soO had gotten 3 of those, I'd have picked him as the greatest.
So how many second places does one need?
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Sorry to ask here if it's the wrong place (can't find where else to put it). But I was wanting to know a bit in advance... Does anyone have the exact address of the venue for the finals?
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On June 22 2017 22:15 Devitaliza wrote:
Sorry to ask here if it's the wrong place (can't find where else to put it). But I was wanting to know a bit in advance... Does anyone have the exact address of the venue for the finals?
The address is 997-4, Daechi-dong, Gangnam-gu, Seoul, South Korea. This is the Twitter notice for the finals:
I also PM'd you with additional information.
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On June 21 2017 21:08 Olli wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2017 21:05 Sakat wrote:On June 21 2017 19:54 Olli wrote:On June 21 2017 19:31 Charoisaur wrote:On June 21 2017 19:24 lolfail9001 wrote:On June 21 2017 18:54 Hadronsbecrazy wrote:
funny to think in an alternate universe soO is vying for his 6th GSL Code S title And considered greatest player of all time by a mile with only a single fluke loss to Dark of all people. Nah Stuchiu and Olli would still vouche for Mvp as the greatest Nah, soO would be the greatest easily. But Mvp's curse lives on. What happened to those alternative timeline articles? If I recall only one was published a while back, with Mvp being kong and MKP a bonjwa or something Waxangel being lazy happened ;( That's still the one series I most want to see continued 
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