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On July 16 2017 19:43 ParksonVN wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2017 19:04 bulya wrote:On July 16 2017 15:32 ParksonVN wrote: Korean ZvZ is really worse than EU ZvZ ? Then why everytime I saw top Korean Zergs played against top EU Zergs on LAN tournaments, the EU pros got slapped hopelessly? You mean like Solar vs Elazer or Solar vs Nerchio (both in Blizzon)? I meant Dark va Elazer and Serral, while Dark was still getting beaten up and down by Soo or some other Korean Zergs. So not "every time", but "the 2 times I decided to pick"?
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good interview, congratz Elazer ! Shows that hard work pays off
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Why is this post not spoiler protected?
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I don't see him getting into GSL vs The World over Snute or Scarlett tbh. Those two have just been around so long and have big fanbases.
But like I said in the other thread, he does, he has a chance if he gets a ZvZ against Dark or soO. Or goes up against Zest/sOs. Probably the best chance out of any foreigner for getting out the ro16
On July 16 2017 19:43 ParksonVN wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2017 19:04 bulya wrote:On July 16 2017 15:32 ParksonVN wrote: Korean ZvZ is really worse than EU ZvZ ? Then why everytime I saw top Korean Zergs played against top EU Zergs on LAN tournaments, the EU pros got slapped hopelessly? You mean like Solar vs Elazer or Solar vs Nerchio (both in Blizzon)? I meant Dark va Elazer and Serral, while Dark was still getting beaten up and down by Soo or some other Korean Zergs.
Elazer and Serral did put up good fights against Dark in some of their games.
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Special or Kelazhur could beat Elazer though.
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Congrats and good luck finding a good team! Go Go Elazer!
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First of all, congratulations to Elazer, who deserved the championship for outclassing every zerg in a mostly zerg tourney. Also, wp Snute, Major, and True.
But can we talk about player fatigue? I think it deserves a thread of its own. I'm not discrediting the players who advanced when I state that from the semifinals (Ro.4) onwards all the players who lost ... well, their games looked really tired and more sloppy than should be allowable at that level. And it was more like they lost the games more than the opponent won them. I'm not going to mention the examples, but here are some:
TRUE: I don't know what this guy was doing. First, a hatch first on a rush map, then a rush on a macro map. But whatever.
SpeCiaL: He looked soooo tired after the match vs Neeb. And it showed in the match vs Snute. Seiging multiple tanks in clumps = nono. Losing multiple medivacs after drops by being careless about unloading marines on their way out of base = uncharacteristic.
Snute: Too much to talk about. But THAT HATCHERY! Like, lol, but seriously, why run the lings up the ramp at that time when he had more lings, no queens were in transfuse range, and the hatch was like 2 seconds of zergling attack away from falling. It was more than game pressure, there.
The above does not just apply to the last WCS event, although it was in Valencia that it really showed. ___________________________________________________________________________________________________
A modest proposal: Change Semifinals and Finals to be all best of seven (Bo7) like GSL and push it (Ro4 and Ro2) to another day or a long delay. I think we'll see more quality games, higher quality games, and better-prepared games with less slopiness at the end of the brackets this way, and it would be fun. Yes, I understand from the weekend tournament perspective, adding another day is kind of expensive. But guess what: Most people aren't drawn to esports by money in the first place. It's about game quality. Let's keep the quality of matches at the highest level going strong.
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I think people may try to put a semi-asterisk next to this win just like they did w neeb's kespa cup win because it's so similar (playing a mirror match over and over to win)
which is unfortunate, but i guess there's always that risk whenever you play non-swiss formats
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On July 17 2017 02:41 Fatam wrote: I think people may try to put a semi-asterisk next to this win just like they did w neeb's kespa cup win because it's so similar (playing a mirror match over and over to win)
which is unfortunate, but i guess there's always that risk whenever you play non-swiss formats Not all brackets are created equal.
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Unfortunate to see him win.
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This is when I played my biggest idol in StarCraft II. Besides, maybe … one player that doesn’t play anymore...
= Life, I guess
Congrats! Well deserved victory!
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On July 17 2017 04:09 D-light wrote: Unfortunate to see him win. Yeah, you wrote it only like a hunderd times. Very helpful.
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There is like so much "like"...
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On July 17 2017 18:49 Toster256 wrote: This is when I played my biggest idol in StarCraft II. Besides, maybe … one player that doesn’t play anymore...
= Life, I guess
Congrats! Well deserved victory!
My guess is Jaedong
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On July 18 2017 00:37 bulya wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2017 18:49 Toster256 wrote: This is when I played my biggest idol in StarCraft II. Besides, maybe … one player that doesn’t play anymore...
= Life, I guess
Congrats! Well deserved victory! My guess is Jaedong
It's definitely Life. If it was Jaedong, Elazer would mention him by name.
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On July 17 2017 21:53 sharkie wrote: There is like so much "like"...
Agreed. When publishing a written interview you're not supposed to transcribe every single pause, "umm" and "like", especially when talking to a non-native speaker. I understand that one of the goals of the conversation was to show Elazer's emotions after his victory, and some of the stuttering helps to convey that, but this is too much. It's just difficult to read.
I noticed that TL has a strange policy on interviews in general. You guys even give disclaimers when you edit interviews while it should be absolutely clear to everybody that every interview is and should be edited before publication.
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If we look a the gap between korean and foreign Terrans by measuring their success with prize money earned, we get a really clear picture.
Prize money earned by the top 10 korean T: $ 3,482,427 Prize money earned by the top 10 foreign T: $ 784,311
Prize money earned by the top 10 korean Z: $ 2,458,458 Prize money earned by the top 10 foreign Z: $ 1,748,632
Prize money earned by the top 10 korean P: $ 3,245,603 Prize money earned by the top 10 foreign P: $ 1,334,427
Numbers taken from https://www.esportsearnings.com/games/151-starcraft-ii/top-players
As we can see the gap between foreign and korean Terrans is huge and, while the numbers are a lot closer for Zerg.
And while Terran is the most successful race in Korea, Zerg is the least successful, just looking at the money. Exactly the opposite is the case in the foreign scene, where Zergs have made more than 3 times as much money as Terrans.
I really wonder what the reasons are for this. I guess Korea always had Terran players as their biggest stars, like Boxer and Flash, while in the foreign scene the earliest star was IdrA, followed by Stephano.
Other than that I wonder if the mechanical requirements for Terran are also a big factor. I guess there are too many reasons that all come together, but it would definitely be good if the situation could balance out, so that going to Korea is no longer the only way to practice your XvT matchup :/.
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On July 17 2017 20:11 stardog wrote:Yeah, you wrote it only like a hunderd times. Very helpful. I mean I posted once that it was sad to see him win the tournament. I could be helpful with math also if you are having trouble with it?
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Let me help you with your memory. Let's take a quick look at WCS live thread were only a few of your messages weren't expressing how much you don't like Elazer.
On July 19 2017 05:31 D-light wrote:really sad that elazer won. ... Hopefully Elazer loses embarrassingly. ... Can't wait to see Elazer lose in the finals. ... Elazer is hardly at the highest pinnacle. ... Outside of the bm he's ok. ... Ugh pls Snute somehow win this thing. ... i mean winning this wcs doesn't say much
Besides, you've got nearly 5k posts, probably like 4k of them were bashing Nerchio (some anti-Polish sentiment?). This is getting really old. But haters gonna hate, right?
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Let me help you with your memory. Let's take a quick look at WCS live thread were only a few of your messages weren't expressing how much you don't like Elazer. On July 19 2017 05:31 D-light wrote: really sad that elazer won.
... Hopefully Elazer loses embarrassingly. ... Can't wait to see Elazer lose in the finals. ... Elazer is hardly at the highest pinnacle. ... Outside of the bm he's ok. ... Ugh pls Snute somehow win this thing. ... i mean winning this wcs doesn't say much
Besides, you've got nearly 5k posts, probably like 4k of them were bashing Nerchio (some anti-Polish sentiment?). This is getting really old. But haters gonna hate, right?
LOL
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