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On July 25 2017 06:17 Lambertus wrote:They should spend some of the money on a translator if possible. Love HSC or bring in at least 1 caster who can speak that mysterious, little-known language the best SC1 and SC2 players all speak. without this its a very good event. with this it would make HSC a bit better.
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On July 25 2017 09:49 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2017 06:17 Lambertus wrote:They should spend some of the money on a translator if possible. Love HSC or bring in at least caster who can speak that mysterious, little-known language the best SC1 and SC2 players all speak. without this its a very good event. with this it would make HSC a bit better. I mean, they could just invite Solar. Something something two birds, something something one stone.
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This is unbelievable! I donated early on when the total donations were only about $1600, and I thought, oh crap no way it makes it $20k at this rate. I'm really glad to see hsc continue!
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This is awesome, SC2 doesn't need to be the biggest Esport - leave that for more simpleton games (I kid)....It requires too much mindfulness and is too challenging for that. But it is still a great RTS game and I'll be happy as long as there is a solid, thriving community with great casters, matches, and players to watch and learn from & enjoy.
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lol, if we need to have another fundraiser to guarantee a translator (although you could argue we shouldnt need one), id be down
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Congrats take and thank you
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On July 25 2017 09:57 pvsnp wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2017 09:49 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On July 25 2017 06:17 Lambertus wrote:They should spend some of the money on a translator if possible. Love HSC or bring in at least caster who can speak that mysterious, little-known language the best SC1 and SC2 players all speak. without this its a very good event. with this it would make HSC a bit better. I mean, they could just invite Solar. Something something two birds, something something one stone. More like four. Translation, playing, commentating and giving off a general good aura.
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On July 25 2017 09:26 pvsnp wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2017 05:50 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On July 25 2017 05:41 Charoisaur wrote:On July 25 2017 04:03 ShAd_1337 wrote: DARK FOR HSC XVI!!! pls dark, do it. i would explode of happiness!! I'd like to see Maru or INnoVation. They'd be a great fit for HSC. But only if Solar or someone else comes to translate ofc Innovation is the furthest thing from a great fit for HSC As a huge fan of INnoVation/Maru, you are dead right. Both would be horrible for HSC in terms of personality, aloof and introspective when around foreigners, probably due to the language/culture barrier (according to Korean fans Inno is actually a pretty funny guy). Bluntly put, Zest was/is not a great fit for HSC either. He has a similar personality to Inno/Maru in the sense that he avoided interviews like the plague, spoke little English, and generally kept fan interaction to a minimum. The only reason it wasn't a disaster was because he has a lot of fans who made memes about his personality quirks (double hat for example). That being said, both INnoVation and Maru have a ton of fans as well (and memes are memes), so inviting them to HSC might not actually be such a terrible idea seeing as Zest turned out fine. Popularity with the fans goes a long way. I believe somebody mentioned that Maru himself didn't want to attend, but I know that Inno said he would go if invited during an interview.
To be fair, I don't agree. The other koreans (Gumiho and Byun) were way more shy, especially during the last day. They didn't stick around to party whereas other koreans have. Maybe Zest wouldn't have done it either if he hadn't won, but he's certainly a little more outgoing than the other two koreans that were there. What people don't see on stream is what goes on in the bar the couple of hours after the event and Zest is one of the koreans that actually sticks around. He did last time as well when he didn't win. Gumiho, Byun and some foreigners left very early or immediately. Zest definitely has more ''personality'' than the other people you've mentioned, IMO.
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Austria24413 Posts
Zest is quite lively off camera, can confirm.
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On July 25 2017 23:21 Thalandros wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2017 09:26 pvsnp wrote:On July 25 2017 05:50 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On July 25 2017 05:41 Charoisaur wrote:On July 25 2017 04:03 ShAd_1337 wrote: DARK FOR HSC XVI!!! pls dark, do it. i would explode of happiness!! I'd like to see Maru or INnoVation. They'd be a great fit for HSC. But only if Solar or someone else comes to translate ofc Innovation is the furthest thing from a great fit for HSC As a huge fan of INnoVation/Maru, you are dead right. Both would be horrible for HSC in terms of personality, aloof and introspective when around foreigners, probably due to the language/culture barrier (according to Korean fans Inno is actually a pretty funny guy). Bluntly put, Zest was/is not a great fit for HSC either. He has a similar personality to Inno/Maru in the sense that he avoided interviews like the plague, spoke little English, and generally kept fan interaction to a minimum. The only reason it wasn't a disaster was because he has a lot of fans who made memes about his personality quirks (double hat for example). That being said, both INnoVation and Maru have a ton of fans as well (and memes are memes), so inviting them to HSC might not actually be such a terrible idea seeing as Zest turned out fine. Popularity with the fans goes a long way. I believe somebody mentioned that Maru himself didn't want to attend, but I know that Inno said he would go if invited during an interview. To be fair, I don't agree. The other koreans (Gumiho and Byun) were way more shy, especially during the last day. They didn't stick around to party whereas other koreans have. Maybe Zest wouldn't have done it either if he hadn't won, but he's certainly a little more outgoing than the other two koreans that were there. What people don't see on stream is what goes on in the bar the couple of hours after the event and Zest is one of the koreans that actually sticks around. He did last time as well when he didn't win. Gumiho, Byun and some foreigners left very early or immediately. Zest definitely has more ''personality'' than the other people you've mentioned, IMO. While Zest having more of an off-camera personality is good to hear, it's also exactly that: good to hear. Because as somebody who wasn't there in person, I (and the ~20k others on stream) had no way of knowing and more importantly, no way of enjoying.
Reaching out to the fans is obviously important, but without doing so on-camera drastically reduces the scale of that interaction. I mean, the miraculous fundraising drive that successfully ensured HSC XVI was done via Twitch, from the wallets of Twitch fans.
So while Zest being a lively guy off-camera is good to hear, camera-shy is exactly the same as shy for most of the fans.
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I think HSC is as much for the people attending live as for the twitch viewers. Of course it's ultimately up to TakeTV but I think it's fine to have some players that are shy there. It is also a tournament and he played beautifully. As someone who only got to watch the stream, that's more than enough for me. I think he was a great choice to invite.
P.S. Attending foreign events and interacting with foreign fans, even if it's just off camera, will probably also make him feel more comfortable. Possibly on camera at some point too.
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On July 26 2017 14:45 feardragon wrote: I think HSC is as much for the people attending live as for the twitch viewers. Of course it's ultimately up to TakeTV but I think it's fine to have some players that are shy there. It is also a tournament and he played beautifully. As someone who only got to watch the stream, that's more than enough for me. I think he was a great choice to invite.
P.S. Attending foreign events and interacting with foreign fans, even if it's just off camera, will probably also make him feel more comfortable. Possibly on camera at some point too. Yes, exactly.
My original post was in support of others who advocated inviting "shy" players (examples were Maru and Inno), which some other posters were against for various reasons. I used Zest as an example of a "shy" player who turned out quite well, and while he may not be so aloof in person, he definitely came across as such on camera.
I wholeheartedly agree that inviting shy players is perfectly fine and definitely something TakeTV ought to take under consideration for HSC XVI. I also support the idea of having a translator, perhaps Solar since he can pull double duty as a player.
Also, big congratulations for your job at Valencia, feardragon! Your rise to casting on the big stage is an inspiration for us all.
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We definitely need Solar. If he could not attend because of some reason, please, get Smix or some other interpreter. But Solar would be the best. We definitely want to see interviews with every Korean after each won match! Keep the dream alive! Of course, I would like to see sOs there right after his successful BlizzCon 2017 run, but this depends on Take, whom he chooses. Just Solar is necessary for the interviews. Additionally, he is a great and funny person for this kind of action.
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I think we already have enough Koreans to add to the excitement of the Korean vs foreigner thing. If you have too many, then it results in Korean vs Korean match ups all the way though the finals which means i often stop watching (I love GSL, go figure).
Having another caster would be good I think, there were some pretty big days for 2 people to handle. Plus there is a B stream (that I didn't even get the chance to see).
I also wonder if someone like Smix would work. She could be a presenter, translator for the Koreans (so we actually get interviews), and even do some casting in conjunction with pro's. I imagine she could do the host, fill in space when others are silent thing, while the pro's could do the actual analysis.
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On July 25 2017 23:21 Thalandros wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2017 09:26 pvsnp wrote:On July 25 2017 05:50 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On July 25 2017 05:41 Charoisaur wrote:On July 25 2017 04:03 ShAd_1337 wrote: DARK FOR HSC XVI!!! pls dark, do it. i would explode of happiness!! I'd like to see Maru or INnoVation. They'd be a great fit for HSC. But only if Solar or someone else comes to translate ofc Innovation is the furthest thing from a great fit for HSC As a huge fan of INnoVation/Maru, you are dead right. Both would be horrible for HSC in terms of personality, aloof and introspective when around foreigners, probably due to the language/culture barrier (according to Korean fans Inno is actually a pretty funny guy). Bluntly put, Zest was/is not a great fit for HSC either. He has a similar personality to Inno/Maru in the sense that he avoided interviews like the plague, spoke little English, and generally kept fan interaction to a minimum. The only reason it wasn't a disaster was because he has a lot of fans who made memes about his personality quirks (double hat for example). That being said, both INnoVation and Maru have a ton of fans as well (and memes are memes), so inviting them to HSC might not actually be such a terrible idea seeing as Zest turned out fine. Popularity with the fans goes a long way. I believe somebody mentioned that Maru himself didn't want to attend, but I know that Inno said he would go if invited during an interview. To be fair, I don't agree. The other koreans (Gumiho and Byun) were way more shy, especially during the last day. They didn't stick around to party whereas other koreans have. Maybe Zest wouldn't have done it either if he hadn't won, but he's certainly a little more outgoing than the other two koreans that were there. What people don't see on stream is what goes on in the bar the couple of hours after the event and Zest is one of the koreans that actually sticks around. He did last time as well when he didn't win. Gumiho, Byun and some foreigners left very early or immediately. Zest definitely has more ''personality'' than the other people you've mentioned, IMO. Well if Zest shows more personality off-camera it's also possible that Maru/Inno do it as well. That's why it would be cool to invite them. All we see of them are translated interviews and just from them we draw conclusions about their personality. It would be a great opportunity for getting to know them better
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On July 25 2017 09:57 pvsnp wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2017 09:49 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On July 25 2017 06:17 Lambertus wrote:They should spend some of the money on a translator if possible. Love HSC or bring in at least caster who can speak that mysterious, little-known language the best SC1 and SC2 players all speak. without this its a very good event. with this it would make HSC a bit better. I mean, they could just invite Solar. Something something two birds, something something one stone.
In fact I invited all of the Splyce players.
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United States1552 Posts
Solar would be best if you're looking for English speaking abilities. soO is probably second best. It's very easy to carry a conversation with him in English if you speak slowly and he's a very funny guy.
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Awesome news, can't wait
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Please, bring soO to HSC. But only if Inno or Gumiho is not there
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