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I'm not going to waste everyone's time extolling the horrors of transphobia. We all know what it is, and, if you watched Scarlett's games in GSL vs. The World, you recognized it.
Regardless of your willingness to educate yourself on trans issues, I think we can all agree that Twitch chat is guilty of harassment. There's no discussion, just mindless, bigoted bashing.
So, why do the mods not ban these people? I say this in all seriousness. Were it racism or homophobia instead, I know the mods would bring down the banhammer. So why not for transphobia? It's disgusting and, even from a functional standpoint, it destroys the chat experience for anyone who, you know, actually wants to talk about the game.
I understand that this is not Twitch... but this is the place to talk about sc2, right? Does anyone know of any way that we could convince the mods to actually pay attention to and ban this hate speech?
EDIT - Let's not make this about whether you "believe in" trans people or not. Let's limit the discussion to Twitch Chat, please.
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Bearded Elder29876 Posts
Why would you talk about Twitch chat? It's a common knowledge that twitch is a bunch of trolls and anything you can find in twitch chat is bashing / sexism / memes / saltiness and more memes.
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United States32511 Posts
Here, check this article out.
If you can get the awfulness of Twitch chat to get covered by mainstream media and actually become a public relations problem for Blizzard, you can get them to (or at least claim to) tighten the chat moderation on esports streams run by their partners.
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Twitch chat is Twitch chat, but as for why the mods don't ban them; the GSL channel rarely ever has active mods in their channel
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im surprised people actually still make threads about this. let twitch chat be twitch chat. its a cess pool. it hasnt been a place for discussion since justin.tv was around. there are plenty of places for discussion (tl.net).
if you are really that concerned about "mean things twitch chat says" just ignore it? who cares? its a mediocre irc chat where most times you can barely read the comments because they fly by so fast. What's the point in wasting a ton of time and effort trying to "clean up twitch chat" when you could just make your own twitch chat channel or discuss somewhere else?
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I like how you signed up for an account on TL just to make this post.
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On August 06 2017 15:49 Inazuma wrote: I like how you signed up for an account on TL just to make this post. yeah posts like these should probably be banned.
i can't really even consider this discussion. it just feels like more "look at me i want this thing that upsets me gone"
is twitch chat really in the list of "horrors of transphobia"? sounds kinda ridiculous.
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On August 06 2017 15:49 Inazuma wrote: I like how you signed up for an account on TL just to make this post.
I actually do have another account, albeit one rarely used. However, due to my own insecurities, I don't like giving away the fact that I'm trans on my main accounts on any site.
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It's Twitch chat, man. Signing up for a Twitch account is easy and free. For random trolls there is no consequence to being banned.
Twitch chat has always been disgusting and it will continue to be disgusting. There is no reasoning with the people who participate in this shit. If you put on sub mode, or slow mode or disable chat entirely (because it adds nothing) people riot that their experience is ruined, which is obviously absurd.
You literally just need to ignore it. Just like the YouTube comment section. It's all you can do.
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Yeah, this shit is unacceptable. Twitch chat is just a fucking cesspool
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I absolutely love twitch chat. It's the equivalent of crowd chants in a football stadium, someone starts singing something stupid, and everyone else joins along. In twitch's case someone makes a shitpost and everyone starts copypastaing it. It can at times be mildly offensive but being offensive is not the intention, being funny is.
However it's important to note that the dipshits that post offensive stuff about scarlett is a minority, and not something the rest of us join along with. It's the equivalent of someone screaming offensive stuff at the top of their lungs, directed at the player in a tennis court. If someone did that, he would be removed from the stadium immediately.
What I am trying to say, is that you cannot defend hurtful comments just because the twitch chat is a crowd phenomenon. You can have the best part of the crowd culture of twitch chat, without having to allow racism and transphobia.
Banning these people would not remove anything that makes twitch chat fun for those of us that enjoy it.
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On August 06 2017 15:18 739 wrote: Why would you talk about Twitch chat? It's a common knowledge that twitch is a bunch of trolls and anything you can find in twitch chat is bashing / sexism / memes / saltiness and more memes.
It bothers me because it is hate speech. I get that Twitch chat is toxic, but... I just can't ignore it. And I don't understand why the mods ignore it. They did turn on sub mode for a few minutes during that series, but, evidently, they did not ban anyone because it all just came back when they turned sub mode off.
Here, check this article out.
If you can get the awfulness of Twitch chat to get covered by mainstream media and actually become a public relations problem for Blizzard, you can get them to (or at least claim to) tighten the chat moderation on esports streams run by their partners.
Thank you! This is a great idea. You're right, I should be addressing Blizzard not TL.
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I have noticed that most of the time it is very few people actually spamming(look at the names in the chat), except for the occasional copy pasta which i guess would be equivalent of "the wave" in stadiums. If i would guess it would be at less than 0.1% - 1% of the people typing are the "spammers". If this is true it wouldnt be that hard to sort these behaviours out. It is unfortunate that people these days dont understand that words mean something.
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Yah I agree. Twitch chat is always bullying Scarlett because of her gender. Normally, big channels like StarCraft/ESL_SC2/GSL, you see that issue a lot as they don't have active mods or very few mods. I tend to go full-screen mode so I don't have to see those bullies. Community channels like BTTV or Wardi are much better.
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On August 06 2017 15:55 RPR_Tempest wrote: It's Twitch chat, man. Signing up for a Twitch account is easy and free. For random trolls there is no consequence to being banned.
Twitch chat has always been disgusting and it will continue to be disgusting. There is no reasoning with the people who participate in this shit. If you put on sub mode, or slow mode or disable chat entirely (because it adds nothing) people riot that their experience is ruined, which is obviously absurd.
You literally just need to ignore it. Just like the YouTube comment section. It's all you can do.
Twitch chat is at least 100 times worse than any youtube comment page; not even close.
I'll tell you a way to make it 100% legit, force people that participate in chat to link to their FB accounts or make social security numbers required for sign up :D
Mob mentalities are completely fucked up. Anonymity, it's the reason people say horrible things in a matchmaking game, because they aren't standing face to face with another person.
I think discrimination is disgusting, and shouldn't be allowed.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES49035 Posts
I can't say how Teamliquid can help you with this, we are not moderators of the GSL twitch chat, TL is strongly on the side of the LGBT community and pretty much any post along the lines what you see on twitch on the matter would get moderated pretty quickly.
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Katowice25012 Posts
On August 06 2017 15:22 Waxangel wrote:Here, check this article out.If you can get the awfulness of Twitch chat to get covered by mainstream media and actually become a public relations problem for Blizzard, you can get them to (or at least claim to) tighten the chat moderation on esports streams run by their partners.
To echo this, the contracts we use at DreamHack for Blizzard games all include a specific exhibit regarding twitch moderation policy where it outlines prohibited speech, and in that hatred based on gender is listed in the same way that hate speech for race/religion/sexuality is. I'd guess that to your original point, its already defined under this same blanket of toxic behavior and should indeed be moderated in the same way.
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The amount of transphobia and abusive comments aimed at Scarlett in Twitch chat is inescapable. But I'm not sure much can be done about it. Banning it doesn't stop people having these feelings.
However, it's clear that such support of the alt-right and their hateful rhetoric goes beyond Twitch chat or Scarlett. You also see it in General chat in-game and sometimes on the Starcraft Reddit. It needs to be called out more generally, but doing that is very unpopular.
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That's sadly what internet do to people. It's not just Scarlett. Girl streams, Gay streams all get bad apples that say stuff that should be banned. Twitch chat is basicly those borderlines stuff you see on 4chan or something along those lines.
You can even not be a minority and have toxic chat/people (the HS guy that got a hooker to his house, or those swat/police stuff).
I don't know what you/we can do about it. Maybe you can screenshot those posts and sends them to twitch AND blizzard via twitter or something (if the report function does not make results).
Educating people can't be done on the internet. And THAT is IMO the saddest thing about this awesome technology
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On August 06 2017 17:15 paralleluniverse wrote: The amount of transphobia and abusive comments aimed at Scarlett in Twitch chat is inescapable. But I'm not sure much can be done about it. Banning it doesn't stop people having these feelings.
However, it's clear that such support of the alt-right and their hateful rhetoric goes beyond Twitch chat or Scarlett. You also see it in General chat in-game and sometimes on the Starcraft Reddit. It needs to be called out more generally, but doing that is very unpopular.
I don't think anyone deciding on chat moderation policy is under the impression that it will make the opinions of the people being moderated change whether it's this or other kinds of attacks. It's more about deciding that this is not the channel they can use to do it and making the chat experience for other people better.
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