Yes but that doesn't support the argument that Inno can't win when terran is weak because terran wasn't weak.
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Charoisaur
Germany15567 Posts
Yes but that doesn't support the argument that Inno can't win when terran is weak because terran wasn't weak. | ||
Phredxor
New Zealand15071 Posts
On August 08 2017 08:40 Charoisaur wrote: Yes but that doesn't support the argument that Inno can't win when terran is weak because terran wasn't weak. Yeah I'm just supporting the argument that Inno sux. | ||
curufinwe_wins
68 Posts
Successive SSL rounds by STATS and DARK have shown that Classic right now is just a bit too predictable... His mechanics are great. His understanding of the matchups are great... But he just doesn't have the late game or variety that makes top tier protoss so scary to deal with. Too defensive, I would say. Also Stats rofl-stomped Inno in their SSL this week (read yesterday)... Inno is still better, don't get me wrong... But I think you have to take Stats just a tiny bit ahead of Classic atm for top 'toss in the world. | ||
Fango
United Kingdom8749 Posts
Is he a patch terran? kinda, I guess. But that doesn't take away from his talent. He plays perfect terran that's it. (although I do give bonus points to players that dominated during times of severe imbalance against them, ByuL, Life, Maru etc) | ||
curufinwe_wins
68 Posts
On August 08 2017 10:10 Fango wrote: Inno is the kind of player that focuses on perfect play. He practices the most standard terran builds until he makes no errors. That means that when terran is favoured in a matchup, he looks unstoppable. When terran is at a disadvantage he isn't as dominant. Is he a patch terran? kinda, I guess. But that doesn't take away from his talent. He plays perfect terran that's it. (although I do give bonus points to players that dominated during times of severe imbalance against them, ByuL, Life, Maru etc) He also is far less innovative and more predictable than any of the other god-terrans... Which, yeah, is actually a knock against him... A few weeks ago in SSL we actually saw him mix up builds and do some crazy shit and I thought to myself... "If this guy did this just a bit more often... He really would be unstoppable, and I would like watching his games soo much more". He is the macro/multitasking god of SC2... Just untouchable in his control of everything... If not for Byun, we might even talk about his insanely good micro as well (poor Byun man... his micro has become almost a crutch for him in not rounding out his play...) The Robot indeed. | ||
RKC
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curufinwe_wins
68 Posts
On August 08 2017 12:19 RKC wrote: I don't see Inno as less of a 'micro god' than Byun or Maru. It's just that he chooses to focus most of his energies on macro (instead of 'engagements' which can be a risky gamble). That's what he thinks is the optimal play to maximise his chances to win. In that sense, he's a Machine. And a bit like Flash (whose micro is also quite underrated). Inno is realistically a micro god... It is just that Byun is a Titan of Micro... I mean it actually isn't fair to anyone else in the game that Byun is so next level... It is almost laughable watching the other "four horsemen" try Byun'ng (Maru doing 3 rax is lolzy bad by comparison), and lets be real here... Those guys are already insanely good. | ||
pvsnp
7676 Posts
On August 08 2017 12:26 curufinwe_wins wrote: Inno is realistically a micro god... It is just that Byun is a Titan of Micro... I mean it actually isn't fair to anyone else in the game that Byun is so next level... It is almost laughable watching the other "four horsemen" try Byun'ng (Maru doing 3 rax is lolzy bad by comparison), and lets be real here... Those guys are already insanely good. Inno's micro is amazing, it's just that he rarely needs to show it because his style revolves around efficient trades into overwhelming force instead of specific unit control. Now and then he will bust out some incredible splitting against Zerg, but that's about all we typically get to see from him in terms of micro. Yes, ByuN has the best micro out of the Four Horsemen (though his splitting is actually quite poor), but while Inno's style is less flashy, it wins. | ||
Shellshock
United States97244 Posts
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curufinwe_wins
68 Posts
On August 08 2017 12:34 pvsnp wrote: Inno's micro is amazing, it's just that he rarely needs to show it because his style revolves around efficient trades into overwhelming force instead of specific unit control. Now and then he will bust out some incredible splitting against Zerg, but that's about all we typically get to see from him in terms of micro. Yes, ByuN has the best micro out of the Four Horsemen (though his splitting is actually quite poor), but while Inno's style is less flashy, it wins. Agreed... Inno is, in fact, arguably the only other person who has pulled off ByuN's own builds with similar success (although again Inno doesn't really roll that way very much.) | ||
pvsnp
7676 Posts
On August 08 2017 12:39 curufinwe_wins wrote: Agreed... Inno is, in fact, arguably the only other person who has pulled off ByuN's own builds with similar success (although again Inno doesn't really roll that way very much.) Yep, some of Inno's 2/1/1 pushes just straight up win the game (against ByuL in GSL Season 1 for example) which is something I've really only seen ByuN pull off. I find it mildly interesting that ByuN doesn't try and copy Inno more, for all that he idolizes him. While both of them are usually very aggressive, Inno has shown the ability to sit back and turtle into lategame to great success, while ByuN seems permanently stuck on the early-midgame aggro style. | ||
curufinwe_wins
68 Posts
On August 08 2017 12:38 Shellshock wrote: Rogue is going to win GSL so who cares about this terran argument Rogue looked really bad against Cure (barely eeeking out a 3-4 win)... Just saying... And super beatable against Ryung... I mean maybe you are going to say he plays down to the competition or something... But people keep telling me that Rogue is looking crazy good, and then I go watch him in Olimoleague, and he looks barely fit for ro16 GSL... [I mean Gumiho has struggled super hard since his Code S victory, and Keen also isn't exactly amazing either these days for Rogue's group] I mean, he did win both series... so I can't be too critical... And his IEM run was great. But 2-3 and 3-4 respectively against the likes of Cure and Ryung (and dirty ones at that) makes me really pause in thinking he is at that top tier right now. Oh for the Ballistix Brawl we should shortly see Stats v Rogue in a Bo3, so that will be a nice little thing. I mean my concern was that Rogue's IEM run is basically Gumiho's GSL run, and the hangover might be similar... EDIT: Rogue looked great in the Ballistic Cup... Damn... | ||
RKC
2841 Posts
On August 08 2017 12:42 pvsnp wrote: Yep, some of Inno's 2/1/1 pushes just straight up win the game (against ByuL in GSL Season 1 for example) which is something I've really only seen ByuN pull off. I find it mildly interesting that ByuN doesn't try and copy Inno more, for all that he idolizes him. While both of them are usually very aggressive, Inno has shown the ability to sit back and turtle into lategame to great success, while ByuN seems permanently stuck on the early-midgame aggro style. It's because Byun can't match his sempai's patient Zen mode. Byun: I WON! I WON! Inno: Mmm... This snack bar is nourishing. | ||
lolfail9001
Russian Federation40167 Posts
On August 08 2017 13:04 RKC wrote: It's because Byun can't match his sempai's patient Zen mode. Byun: I WON! I WON! Inno: Mmm... This snack bar is nourishing. You mean that ByuN that once choked out HerO (of Liquid fame) out of game with viking-ghost deathball that simply never attacked? Yeah, that was before Blizzard added Tempests and Oracle to actually counter that BS. That game scarred me for life, you know. | ||
curufinwe_wins
68 Posts
On August 08 2017 13:14 lolfail9001 wrote: You mean that ByuN that once choked out HerO (of Liquid fame) out of game with viking-ghost deathball that simply never attacked? Yeah, that was before Blizzard added Tempests and Oracle to actually counter that BS. That game scarred me for life, you know. I hate seeing 'toss lose, but that game... so much pleasurable pain... He needs to do that more often. Clear up his decision making a little bit... Yes he does more per unit than anyone else... But he really needs to clear up that late game transition, and macro a bit. | ||
RKC
2841 Posts
On August 08 2017 13:14 lolfail9001 wrote: You mean that ByuN that once choked out HerO (of Liquid fame) out of game with viking-ghost deathball that simply never attacked? Yeah, that was before Blizzard added Tempests and Oracle to actually counter that BS. That game scarred me for life, you know. Um... that could also mean that he is clueless about late game and unable to close out a won game (ala Kelazhur v TY last weekend)... Not saying that that was what happened in that game (which I didn't watch) nor that Byun is bad at late-game. But the point is that there are clearly superior late game players for each race (Inno, Dark, Stats), and that Byun isn't one of them. At least not now, in the current meta. | ||
LuLuneth
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[PkF] Wire
France24184 Posts
Agree that INno and Rogue are the players that have to be avoided the most by far, and loved your honest article about INno. | ||
Mun_Su
France2063 Posts
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Topin
Peru9933 Posts
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