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One of the aims of the patch was to make Mech better compared to live version. The problem is that the changes achieved the opposite.
I agree that nerfing mass Ravens was a good move. As well as removing Mothership core. But if you look at all the changes in the game mech is actually far weaker on the test patch compared to live.
In TvT mech is slightly weaker. The old missile costed more energy and could only damage, not kill a Tank. The new Raven can disable more tanks which is an advantage for the bio player since they can invest more gas into Ravens. And Ravens will no longer have pdd which means that pdd cannot protect your tanks from mass bio.
In TvZ mech is weaker. Mass Ravens were OP but they were also the one unit that made it possible to fight against Zergs late game. Not having auto turrets and missiles will make TvZ almost impossible. Shredder missiles are close to useless compared to those abilities and scrambler missiles will have almost no meaningful use. Swarm Hosts being slightly slower off creep will have almost no impact.
In TvP mech will go from really weak to completely dead. The new chrono boost combined with higher stalker damage and offensive shield batteries will make it completely impossible to go mech. You will not see mech in a single high-level game in TvP except in the first few weeks after the patch when no one knows what they are doing.
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On September 24 2017 15:06 MockHamill wrote: One of the aims of the patch was to make Mech better compared to live version.
says who? it's already super strong.
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Wrong thread. Nerf Warp Prism
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I believe swarm hosts are too hard to play against but not too strong.They are not silver bullet in pro matchs at all :-/ They are just...bad design tbh may be terran needs a treatment just like colossus attack speed buff to help pub players.Unlike protoss's case even Gm and master terrans are struggling with this unit.
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Why not have Parasitic Bomb do friendly fire?
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hydralisk-bane (and sh) style players are strong from such long time and blizzard isnt doing something about it, but the oracle build is not even used in all the matchups, still not very popular at all leagues, and it has like 2-3 months on the meta and is already getting a nerf, im really impressed about the balance team on sc2.
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On September 25 2017 04:09 wiNgiAN wrote: hydralisk-bane (and sh) style players are strong from such long time and blizzard isnt doing something about it, but the oracle build is not even used in all the matchups, still not very popular at all leagues, and it has like 2-3 months on the meta and is already getting a nerf, im really impressed about the balance team on sc2. That's funny how Zerg players still manage to be kind of objective with some changes, and zerg pros don't hesitate to call a zerg buff OP when it is, but P and T always claim their race are the weakest, and whine on every changes that are not buffs.
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On September 25 2017 06:06 Tyrhanius wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2017 04:09 wiNgiAN wrote: hydralisk-bane (and sh) style players are strong from such long time and blizzard isnt doing something about it, but the oracle build is not even used in all the matchups, still not very popular at all leagues, and it has like 2-3 months on the meta and is already getting a nerf, im really impressed about the balance team on sc2. That's funny how Zerg players still manage to be kind of objective with some changes, and zerg pros don't hesitate to call a zerg buff OP when it is, but P and T always claim their race are the weakest, and whine on every changes that are not buffs. You say that.
Protoss player: "That's funny how Protoss players still manage to be kind of objective with some changes, and Protoss pros don't hesitate to call a Protoss buff OP when it is, but Z and T always claim their race are the weakest, and whine on every changes that are not buffs."
Terran player: "That's funny how Terran players still manage to be kind of objective with some changes, and Terran pros don't hesitate to call a Terran buff OP when it is, but P and Z always claim their race are the weakest, and whine on every changes that are not buffs."
Me:+ Show Spoiler +
The sheer amount of delusion from biased players of all races is unbelievably ironic and incredibly hilarious. If any of you spent half the effort on practicing as you do on whining, you would be competing at Blizzcon.
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On September 25 2017 06:06 Tyrhanius wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2017 04:09 wiNgiAN wrote: hydralisk-bane (and sh) style players are strong from such long time and blizzard isnt doing something about it, but the oracle build is not even used in all the matchups, still not very popular at all leagues, and it has like 2-3 months on the meta and is already getting a nerf, im really impressed about the balance team on sc2. That's funny how Zerg players still manage to be kind of objective with some changes, and zerg pros don't hesitate to call a zerg buff OP when it is, but P and T always claim their race are the weakest, and whine on every changes that are not buffs.
Even snute said that the hydra buff was too much and he think that blizzard should revert that.
Snute is one of the best foreigners zerg, and one of the most honest and objetive player in high lvl, i hope its enough for you little man
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I think some people here don't quite understand that Blizzard is intentionally changing up the game rapidly and significantly. Players will inevitably adjust their strategies and find new optimal builds, and I think that's an exciting part of the process. If Blizzard succumbs to pressure and continuously reverts big changes, it's going to be difficult to take the game in a new direction.
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On September 25 2017 07:17 wiNgiAN wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2017 06:06 Tyrhanius wrote:On September 25 2017 04:09 wiNgiAN wrote: hydralisk-bane (and sh) style players are strong from such long time and blizzard isnt doing something about it, but the oracle build is not even used in all the matchups, still not very popular at all leagues, and it has like 2-3 months on the meta and is already getting a nerf, im really impressed about the balance team on sc2. That's funny how Zerg players still manage to be kind of objective with some changes, and zerg pros don't hesitate to call a zerg buff OP when it is, but P and T always claim their race are the weakest, and whine on every changes that are not buffs. Even snute said that the hydra buff was too much and he think that blizzard should revert that. https://clips.twitch.tv/VivaciousFaithfulAnacondaGivePLZSnute is one of the best foreigners zerg, and one of the most honest and objetive player in high lvl, i hope its enough for you little man Yeah, it's exactly what i'm saying unlike you he is objective, and doesn't hesitate to say something is too strong with his race, while you'll never admit making mass oracles to kill army/buildings, and blocking eggs is too strong.
And please, i'm not your little man, i'm not your friend, keep your arrogant behavior for yourself.
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On September 24 2017 11:11 youngjiddle wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2017 20:50 xTJx wrote:On September 22 2017 12:18 youngjiddle wrote:On September 22 2017 11:25 Finch518 wrote:On September 22 2017 11:07 youngjiddle wrote:On September 22 2017 09:32 xTJx wrote:On September 22 2017 08:10 youngjiddle wrote:Classic introduces mass oracle and PvZ winrates normalize to 50%, better nerf it so we go back to 43% again Yeah dude, just because oracles prevent lings from denying the protoss third, deny any nydus counter attack as they also kill buildings and queens fast, obliterate any transfering drones or queens outside spore cover, can harass your drones the whole game with stasis, can just jump on zerg bases once they're about 10 as they kill everything before your units can get there, force infestors as even hydras die to mass oracle, can give infinite vision of zerg's army, can place infinite defensive stasis wards on key locations, are faster than mutas and way faster than corruptors, doesn't mean they're bad game design. Have you considered the possibility that you are bad and haven't used the correct counter play yet. Funny because Scarlett made all these same points on reddit the other day, i guess shes bad and doesnt have the counter play yet either? Neither does Rogue, or SoO too amirite? Ah yes Scarlett the zerg who is queen of balance whining about protoss and SoO the zerg who wants the hydra range buff, I don't take any pro players opinions very strongly. If protoss was really that strong Scarlett would be able to play it at a high level too right? Oh wait, she does exactly that, even entering tournaments as protoss and defeating other progamers. I bet you take Avilo's opinions strongly tho, you look the type. lol, I was watching neeb play Zerg, ZvP on GM KR ladder and winning, if you think protoss is easy because "a zerg pro can become extremely good at it", you really don't know how good pros are with other races. She even practices protoss, lol. and no, I don't take avilo's opinions for anything, why would you assume that off of what little I have said? Trying to put down anything I say eh? I said I don't take the popular opinion as always being true and think for myself unlike avilo goons. I am sick of nerfs because of balance whine, like adepts, disrupter, oracles, and the removal of the mothership core.
You're the one trying to put down the criticism against protoss units as balance whining. All your posts are "protoss is not viable", you're literaly the protoss Avilo.
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On September 23 2017 06:12 washikie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2017 16:36 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On September 22 2017 16:35 DieuCure wrote:But for real, all we are all waiting for is the tankivac return right ? No, never honestly i miss it, I mean yeah it got rid of the gloriuse chess match that was tvt, but frankly tvt has never been as good as it was in wol because of boosted medivacs. And it was alot of fun to make deathball of tanks and drop it places to pick off big chunks of army supply.
Tankivac was definitely the best period of LotV Terran for me, with that said Terran gameplay as been incredibly boring with LotV. Liberators aren't fun to use at all, TvP is like 10 times worse than it was in WoL/HotS. Bio vs Z has been ruined for a year by ultras and the insane eco makes it way more dull than HotS anyway. Hydra ling bane vs bio tank is cool tho atm.
TvT has been fucked up by reapers beyong measure and has been destroyed by medivac boost anyway in HotS.
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You dont need Liberators in TvP if you play like God.
TvT ladder before the cyclone's prod change was like 80% 3rax reaper, the worst period of fun for me.
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HotS TvP was hot garbage. SCV pulls all day every day. Yeah sure, you got the occasionally jaw-dropping outlier like Maru vs Myungsik, but everything else was a snoozefest.
Liberators make that matchup 10x better. Terran can play a defensive macro game with an actual lategame transition and actual positional play. Protoss can do something besides deathballing with Colossus or YOLO all-ins.
If a TvP gets to the midgame without an overwhelming advantage for either player it's got a pretty good chance of becoming awesome. Just look at any of TY's long games on Abyssal.
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You know you haven't played this game in a while when you have no idea what anything being referred to is about your own race (save for the mule, but it could mine gas... wtf!)
I need to come back to this game and give it another go, sounds interesting.
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On September 27 2017 00:54 GoSuNamhciR wrote: You know you haven't played this game in a while when you have no idea what anything being referred to is about your own race (save for the mule, but it could mine gas... wtf!)
I need to come back to this game and give it another go, sounds interesting.
We need you. My god did I love watching you cheese your way through MLG's.
If only I could only recreate those days.
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On September 27 2017 13:50 BronzeKnee wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2017 00:54 GoSuNamhciR wrote: You know you haven't played this game in a while when you have no idea what anything being referred to is about your own race (save for the mule, but it could mine gas... wtf!)
I need to come back to this game and give it another go, sounds interesting. We need you. My god did I love watching you cheese your way through MLG's. If only I could only recreate those days.
Haha thanks man! I would never go truly competitive again, but am definitely interested in picking up the game again. I would just have to see where it went from there if I actually got into it again.
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new balance changes posted on Bnet
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/20975163
Please review our most recent Community Update, as well as other recent Community Updates for additional details on the changes below.
Disruptor Activation radius reduced from 0.5 to 0.25. Damage increased from 135 (+25 shields) to 145 (+55 shields). Purification Nova cooldown reduced from 17.9 to 14.3. Purification Nova no longer activated by enemy Changelings. Raven Shredder Missile debuff duration increased from 10.7 to 21.4 seconds. Shredder Missile debuff will now display a duration status bar on affected units for all players.
maybe add this to the OP?
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Disruptor Activation radius reduced from 0.5 to 0.25. Damage increased from 135 (+25 shields) to 145 (+55 shields).
Is it correct to assume that an army with disruptors in it cannot fire if currently under attack by Zerglings, because the disruptor shot would toggle on the lings and deal 200 damage to the nearby protoss units?
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