On December 28 2017 17:09 Diabolique wrote: Interesting, what a celebration thread about "a new GSL year and a few foreigners achieving great results" turned into.
Celebrating what? That koreans are excluded from the rest of the world, yet the rest of the world is allowed to invade korea? Yeah, lets celebrate that
The performance of the players? Though I'm not the biggest fan of ByuN I'm still pretty happy that he was able to show up and qualify despite his illness for example.
On December 28 2017 17:09 Diabolique wrote: Interesting, what a celebration thread about "a new GSL year and a few foreigners achieving great results" turned into.
Celebrating what? That koreans are excluded from the rest of the world, yet the rest of the world is allowed to invade korea? Yeah, lets celebrate that
The performance of the players? Though I'm not the biggest fan of ByuN I'm still pretty happy that he was able to show up and qualify despite his illness for example.
On December 28 2017 17:09 Diabolique wrote: Interesting, what a celebration thread about "a new GSL year and a few foreigners achieving great results" turned into.
I am happy about all the foreigners trying their luck in GSL and I hope, some of them get into the RO16 and even further (well, nobody except Scarlett probably has a chance). And hopefully, when this happens, it will force Blizzard to remove the region lock completely.
It won't happen until the Korean scene is actually worse and beyond saving. Basically look at the blord infestor, they're doing changes yearly, what changes happened when KeSPA teams abandoned SC2 in Korea? None IIRC
Edit: the changes - I mean region lock issue wise. Without KeSPA teams less Koreans can travel abroad and less Koreans can actually live from SC2, which makes the region lock kinda weird state.
On December 28 2017 17:09 Diabolique wrote: Interesting, what a celebration thread about "a new GSL year and a few foreigners achieving great results" turned into.
I am happy about all the foreigners trying their luck in GSL and I hope, some of them get into the RO16 and even further (well, nobody except Scarlett probably has a chance). And hopefully, when this happens, it will force Blizzard to remove the region lock completely.
It won't happen until the Korean scene is actually worse and beyond saving. Basically look at the blord infestor, they're doing changes yearly, what changes happened when KeSPA teams abandoned SC2 in Korea? None IIRC
Edit: the changes - I mean region lock issue wise. Without KeSPA teams less Koreans can travel abroad and less Koreans can actually live from SC2, which makes the region lock kinda weird state.
All hail JAGW who are still keeping their team.
I actually agree, Region locking was done in a time when Kespa Teams were still active and SPL was a thing, giving koreans enough chances to compete. The problem nowadays is that if GSL is the only tournament that is active in Korea, once you are out there is nothing to do for a korean pro in months, and being just 3 GSL seasons its really tricky to compete if you are just a ro32 player.
Yes there are also 2 GSL ST but they are more stacked than a GSL and GSL vs the World is a fan pick not a qualifier so if you are a ro32 korean no way you can participate in.
On December 28 2017 17:09 Diabolique wrote: Interesting, what a celebration thread about "a new GSL year and a few foreigners achieving great results" turned into.
I am happy about all the foreigners trying their luck in GSL and I hope, some of them get into the RO16 and even further (well, nobody except Scarlett probably has a chance). And hopefully, when this happens, it will force Blizzard to remove the region lock completely.
Great results is a bit of a stretch when the the greatest wins to achieve them came from a couple of 2-1 wins against Patience and a 2-0 against Forte.
On December 28 2017 17:09 Diabolique wrote: Interesting, what a celebration thread about "a new GSL year and a few foreigners achieving great results" turned into.
I am happy about all the foreigners trying their luck in GSL and I hope, some of them get into the RO16 and even further (well, nobody except Scarlett probably has a chance). And hopefully, when this happens, it will force Blizzard to remove the region lock completely.
It won't happen until the Korean scene is actually worse and beyond saving. Basically look at the blord infestor, they're doing changes yearly, what changes happened when KeSPA teams abandoned SC2 in Korea? None IIRC
Edit: the changes - I mean region lock issue wise. Without KeSPA teams less Koreans can travel abroad and less Koreans can actually live from SC2, which makes the region lock kinda weird state.
All hail JAGW who are still keeping their team.
I actually agree, Region locking was done in a time when Kespa Teams were still active and SPL was a thing, giving koreans enough chances to compete. The problem nowadays is that if GSL is the only tournament that is active in Korea, once you are out there is nothing to do for a korean pro in months, and being just 3 GSL seasons its really tricky to compete if you are just a ro32 player.
Yes there are also 2 GSL ST but they are more stacked than a GSL and GSL vs the World is a fan pick not a qualifier so if you are a ro32 korean no way you can participate in.
Thing is, if you're a ro32 Korean, you're not going to get very far in WCS. Unregionlocking the region would primarily help those who already do well.
Take Ryung, for instance. How far would he get in WCS? He might get ro8, but the foreigners are at a level where Ryung doesn't really scare them.
Others like Losira, Trust, Billowy, Ragnarok, and jjakji, how far would they realistically get in WCS? I'd wager that some wouldn't even make it to the ro16. I don't really see any of these players even winning a WCS tournament.
On December 28 2017 17:09 Diabolique wrote: Interesting, what a celebration thread about "a new GSL year and a few foreigners achieving great results" turned into.
I am happy about all the foreigners trying their luck in GSL and I hope, some of them get into the RO16 and even further (well, nobody except Scarlett probably has a chance). And hopefully, when this happens, it will force Blizzard to remove the region lock completely.
It won't happen until the Korean scene is actually worse and beyond saving. Basically look at the blord infestor, they're doing changes yearly, what changes happened when KeSPA teams abandoned SC2 in Korea? None IIRC
Edit: the changes - I mean region lock issue wise. Without KeSPA teams less Koreans can travel abroad and less Koreans can actually live from SC2, which makes the region lock kinda weird state.
All hail JAGW who are still keeping their team.
I actually agree, Region locking was done in a time when Kespa Teams were still active and SPL was a thing, giving koreans enough chances to compete. The problem nowadays is that if GSL is the only tournament that is active in Korea, once you are out there is nothing to do for a korean pro in months, and being just 3 GSL seasons its really tricky to compete if you are just a ro32 player.
Yes there are also 2 GSL ST but they are more stacked than a GSL and GSL vs the World is a fan pick not a qualifier so if you are a ro32 korean no way you can participate in.
Thing is, if you're a ro32 Korean, you're not going to get very far in WCS. Unregionlocking the region would primarily help those who already do well.
Take Ryung, for instance. How far would he get in WCS? He might get ro8, but the foreigners are at a level where Ryung doesn't really scare them.
Others like Losira, Trust, Billowy, Ragnarok, and jjakji, how far would they realistically get in WCS? I'd wager that some wouldn't even make it to the ro16. I don't really see any of these players even winning a WCS tournament.
TRUE was a ro32 level player and instantly won the first WCS he played in. I'd definitely favor Ryung over every foreigner except Neeb and Serral.
On December 28 2017 17:09 Diabolique wrote: Interesting, what a celebration thread about "a new GSL year and a few foreigners achieving great results" turned into.
I am happy about all the foreigners trying their luck in GSL and I hope, some of them get into the RO16 and even further (well, nobody except Scarlett probably has a chance). And hopefully, when this happens, it will force Blizzard to remove the region lock completely.
It won't happen until the Korean scene is actually worse and beyond saving. Basically look at the blord infestor, they're doing changes yearly, what changes happened when KeSPA teams abandoned SC2 in Korea? None IIRC
Edit: the changes - I mean region lock issue wise. Without KeSPA teams less Koreans can travel abroad and less Koreans can actually live from SC2, which makes the region lock kinda weird state.
All hail JAGW who are still keeping their team.
I actually agree, Region locking was done in a time when Kespa Teams were still active and SPL was a thing, giving koreans enough chances to compete. The problem nowadays is that if GSL is the only tournament that is active in Korea, once you are out there is nothing to do for a korean pro in months, and being just 3 GSL seasons its really tricky to compete if you are just a ro32 player.
Yes there are also 2 GSL ST but they are more stacked than a GSL and GSL vs the World is a fan pick not a qualifier so if you are a ro32 korean no way you can participate in.
Thing is, if you're a ro32 Korean, you're not going to get very far in WCS. Unregionlocking the region would primarily help those who already do well.
Take Ryung, for instance. How far would he get in WCS? He might get ro8, but the foreigners are at a level where Ryung doesn't really scare them.
Others like Losira, Trust, Billowy, Ragnarok, and jjakji, how far would they realistically get in WCS? I'd wager that some wouldn't even make it to the ro16. I don't really see any of these players even winning a WCS tournament.
TRUE was a ro32 level player and instantly won the first WCS he played in. I'd definitely favor Ryung over every foreigner except Neeb and Serral.
I'm willing to bet you $50 on the first match that Nerchio and Ryung play from now
GREAT seeing a majority zerg advancing, for a change, on day 2. The less mass Skilberators and mass Aderpts in Code S, the better the games will be. GREAT JOB NoRegret qualifying WHILE ALSO BRINGING A LIVE STREAM of Day 1. Heres hoping the most consistently top player of all time Soo, who would have won Code S 3-4 times by now if he was either of the other races, will finally take it and be where he deserves.
On December 28 2017 17:09 Diabolique wrote: Interesting, what a celebration thread about "a new GSL year and a few foreigners achieving great results" turned into.
I am happy about all the foreigners trying their luck in GSL and I hope, some of them get into the RO16 and even further (well, nobody except Scarlett probably has a chance). And hopefully, when this happens, it will force Blizzard to remove the region lock completely.
It won't happen until the Korean scene is actually worse and beyond saving. Basically look at the blord infestor, they're doing changes yearly, what changes happened when KeSPA teams abandoned SC2 in Korea? None IIRC
Edit: the changes - I mean region lock issue wise. Without KeSPA teams less Koreans can travel abroad and less Koreans can actually live from SC2, which makes the region lock kinda weird state.
All hail JAGW who are still keeping their team.
I actually agree, Region locking was done in a time when Kespa Teams were still active and SPL was a thing, giving koreans enough chances to compete. The problem nowadays is that if GSL is the only tournament that is active in Korea, once you are out there is nothing to do for a korean pro in months, and being just 3 GSL seasons its really tricky to compete if you are just a ro32 player.
Yes there are also 2 GSL ST but they are more stacked than a GSL and GSL vs the World is a fan pick not a qualifier so if you are a ro32 korean no way you can participate in.
Thing is, if you're a ro32 Korean, you're not going to get very far in WCS. Unregionlocking the region would primarily help those who already do well.
Take Ryung, for instance. How far would he get in WCS? He might get ro8, but the foreigners are at a level where Ryung doesn't really scare them.
Others like Losira, Trust, Billowy, Ragnarok, and jjakji, how far would they realistically get in WCS? I'd wager that some wouldn't even make it to the ro16. I don't really see any of these players even winning a WCS tournament.
TRUE was a ro32 level player and instantly won the first WCS he played in. I'd definitely favor Ryung over every foreigner except Neeb and Serral.
The level of a Ro32 player from 2013/14 is different from one in 2017/18. Also foreigners have gotten better. True also made a GSL RO4.
On December 28 2017 17:09 Diabolique wrote: Interesting, what a celebration thread about "a new GSL year and a few foreigners achieving great results" turned into.
Celebrating what? That koreans are excluded from the rest of the world, yet the rest of the world is allowed to invade korea? Yeah, lets celebrate that
Celebrating that finally, our heroes the Foreigners are from time to time beating the faceless Koreans, no? Are we all not happy about it? Are you reading that, Blizzard? So what about opening the weekend tournaments for the Koreans again?
On December 28 2017 17:09 Diabolique wrote: Interesting, what a celebration thread about "a new GSL year and a few foreigners achieving great results" turned into.
I am happy about all the foreigners trying their luck in GSL and I hope, some of them get into the RO16 and even further (well, nobody except Scarlett probably has a chance). And hopefully, when this happens, it will force Blizzard to remove the region lock completely.
It won't happen until the Korean scene is actually worse and beyond saving. Basically look at the blord infestor, they're doing changes yearly, what changes happened when KeSPA teams abandoned SC2 in Korea? None IIRC
Edit: the changes - I mean region lock issue wise. Without KeSPA teams less Koreans can travel abroad and less Koreans can actually live from SC2, which makes the region lock kinda weird state.
All hail JAGW who are still keeping their team.
I actually agree, Region locking was done in a time when Kespa Teams were still active and SPL was a thing, giving koreans enough chances to compete. The problem nowadays is that if GSL is the only tournament that is active in Korea, once you are out there is nothing to do for a korean pro in months, and being just 3 GSL seasons its really tricky to compete if you are just a ro32 player.
Yes there are also 2 GSL ST but they are more stacked than a GSL and GSL vs the World is a fan pick not a qualifier so if you are a ro32 korean no way you can participate in.
Thing is, if you're a ro32 Korean, you're not going to get very far in WCS. Unregionlocking the region would primarily help those who already do well.
Take Ryung, for instance. How far would he get in WCS? He might get ro8, but the foreigners are at a level where Ryung doesn't really scare them.
Others like Losira, Trust, Billowy, Ragnarok, and jjakji, how far would they realistically get in WCS? I'd wager that some wouldn't even make it to the ro16. I don't really see any of these players even winning a WCS tournament.
TRUE was a ro32 level player and instantly won the first WCS he played in. I'd definitely favor Ryung over every foreigner except Neeb and Serral.
The level of a Ro32 player from 2013/14 is different from one in 2017/18. Also foreigners have gotten better. True also made a GSL RO4.
TRUE was a ro32 player in 2015/2016, then switched to WCS.
On December 28 2017 17:09 Diabolique wrote: Interesting, what a celebration thread about "a new GSL year and a few foreigners achieving great results" turned into.
I am happy about all the foreigners trying their luck in GSL and I hope, some of them get into the RO16 and even further (well, nobody except Scarlett probably has a chance). And hopefully, when this happens, it will force Blizzard to remove the region lock completely.
It won't happen until the Korean scene is actually worse and beyond saving. Basically look at the blord infestor, they're doing changes yearly, what changes happened when KeSPA teams abandoned SC2 in Korea? None IIRC
Edit: the changes - I mean region lock issue wise. Without KeSPA teams less Koreans can travel abroad and less Koreans can actually live from SC2, which makes the region lock kinda weird state.
All hail JAGW who are still keeping their team.
I actually agree, Region locking was done in a time when Kespa Teams were still active and SPL was a thing, giving koreans enough chances to compete. The problem nowadays is that if GSL is the only tournament that is active in Korea, once you are out there is nothing to do for a korean pro in months, and being just 3 GSL seasons its really tricky to compete if you are just a ro32 player.
Yes there are also 2 GSL ST but they are more stacked than a GSL and GSL vs the World is a fan pick not a qualifier so if you are a ro32 korean no way you can participate in.
Thing is, if you're a ro32 Korean, you're not going to get very far in WCS. Unregionlocking the region would primarily help those who already do well.
Take Ryung, for instance. How far would he get in WCS? He might get ro8, but the foreigners are at a level where Ryung doesn't really scare them.
Others like Losira, Trust, Billowy, Ragnarok, and jjakji, how far would they realistically get in WCS? I'd wager that some wouldn't even make it to the ro16. I don't really see any of these players even winning a WCS tournament.
TRUE was a ro32 level player and instantly won the first WCS he played in. I'd definitely favor Ryung over every foreigner except Neeb and Serral.
The level of a Ro32 player from 2013/14 is different from one in 2017/18. Also foreigners have gotten better. True also made a GSL RO4.
TRUE was a ro32 player in 2015/2016, then switched to WCS.
On December 28 2017 17:09 Diabolique wrote: Interesting, what a celebration thread about "a new GSL year and a few foreigners achieving great results" turned into.
I am happy about all the foreigners trying their luck in GSL and I hope, some of them get into the RO16 and even further (well, nobody except Scarlett probably has a chance). And hopefully, when this happens, it will force Blizzard to remove the region lock completely.
It won't happen until the Korean scene is actually worse and beyond saving. Basically look at the blord infestor, they're doing changes yearly, what changes happened when KeSPA teams abandoned SC2 in Korea? None IIRC
Edit: the changes - I mean region lock issue wise. Without KeSPA teams less Koreans can travel abroad and less Koreans can actually live from SC2, which makes the region lock kinda weird state.
All hail JAGW who are still keeping their team.
I actually agree, Region locking was done in a time when Kespa Teams were still active and SPL was a thing, giving koreans enough chances to compete. The problem nowadays is that if GSL is the only tournament that is active in Korea, once you are out there is nothing to do for a korean pro in months, and being just 3 GSL seasons its really tricky to compete if you are just a ro32 player.
Yes there are also 2 GSL ST but they are more stacked than a GSL and GSL vs the World is a fan pick not a qualifier so if you are a ro32 korean no way you can participate in.
Thing is, if you're a ro32 Korean, you're not going to get very far in WCS. Unregionlocking the region would primarily help those who already do well.
Take Ryung, for instance. How far would he get in WCS? He might get ro8, but the foreigners are at a level where Ryung doesn't really scare them.
Others like Losira, Trust, Billowy, Ragnarok, and jjakji, how far would they realistically get in WCS? I'd wager that some wouldn't even make it to the ro16. I don't really see any of these players even winning a WCS tournament.
TRUE was a ro32 level player and instantly won the first WCS he played in. I'd definitely favor Ryung over every foreigner except Neeb and Serral.
The level of a Ro32 player from 2013/14 is different from one in 2017/18. Also foreigners have gotten better. True also made a GSL RO4.
TRUE was a ro32 player in 2015/2016, then switched to WCS.
On December 28 2017 17:09 Diabolique wrote: Interesting, what a celebration thread about "a new GSL year and a few foreigners achieving great results" turned into.
I am happy about all the foreigners trying their luck in GSL and I hope, some of them get into the RO16 and even further (well, nobody except Scarlett probably has a chance). And hopefully, when this happens, it will force Blizzard to remove the region lock completely.
It won't happen until the Korean scene is actually worse and beyond saving. Basically look at the blord infestor, they're doing changes yearly, what changes happened when KeSPA teams abandoned SC2 in Korea? None IIRC
Edit: the changes - I mean region lock issue wise. Without KeSPA teams less Koreans can travel abroad and less Koreans can actually live from SC2, which makes the region lock kinda weird state.
All hail JAGW who are still keeping their team.
I actually agree, Region locking was done in a time when Kespa Teams were still active and SPL was a thing, giving koreans enough chances to compete. The problem nowadays is that if GSL is the only tournament that is active in Korea, once you are out there is nothing to do for a korean pro in months, and being just 3 GSL seasons its really tricky to compete if you are just a ro32 player.
Yes there are also 2 GSL ST but they are more stacked than a GSL and GSL vs the World is a fan pick not a qualifier so if you are a ro32 korean no way you can participate in.
Thing is, if you're a ro32 Korean, you're not going to get very far in WCS. Unregionlocking the region would primarily help those who already do well.
Take Ryung, for instance. How far would he get in WCS? He might get ro8, but the foreigners are at a level where Ryung doesn't really scare them.
Others like Losira, Trust, Billowy, Ragnarok, and jjakji, how far would they realistically get in WCS? I'd wager that some wouldn't even make it to the ro16. I don't really see any of these players even winning a WCS tournament.
Yes, ro32 Koreans are no longer good thus they need the protection the foreigners have. Regionlock those vicious money grabbing foreigners away.
(BTW I love the fact that we have there 3 foreigners, but at the same time I hate the fact that they're effectively taking Korean money while Koreans cannot take foreigner money)
The main problem is that there are many less global tournaments than we (or at least I) thought there to be when the region lock was announced. The % of locked tournaments is too high; SSL missed one season, and there were only few open IEMs and weekend GSL cups, etc
On December 29 2017 00:07 seopthi wrote: The main problem is that there are many less global tournaments than we (or at least I) thought there to be when the region lock was announced. The % of locked tournaments is too high; SSL missed one season, and there were only few open IEMs and weekend GSL cups, etc
Plus there is a big chance, those few tournaments would not exist, if Blizzard was not bribing the organizers with huge prize money ...
I am sad, seeing the few thousands viewers, top competitions in SC2 bring, while Hearthstone draws five times, ten times more. Top streamers in SC2 have 1000-2000 viewers? The top streamers in HearthStone have 10000-20000 viewers.
Maybe, it is kind of Athletic vs. Football. Athletic is beautiful, more demanding, but does not have at all similar money as football has. Well, it is what it is. So thanks for HomeStory cup and the few open tournaments for all Koreans and Foreigners.